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Section516
12-30-2009, 09:40 AM
Some post's saying woo playoffs so close, but DAMN we can't beat New England..

If we "have no hope" against NE, we have no reason being in the playoffs, and won't go far at all..

It's early and my coffee machine is broke, but still...

:roast:

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 09:44 AM
Some post's saying woo playoffs so close, but DAMN we can't beat New England..

If we "have no hope" against NE, we have no reason being in the playoffs, and won't go far at all..

It's early and my coffee machine is broke, but still...

:roast:

And? :thinking:

Section516
12-30-2009, 09:48 AM
And i think it should be one or the other..

Either have faith your team can beat NE, get into the playoffs, and play good ball...

Or give it up and quit livin' the dream of becoming the 2009 Cardinals.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 09:52 AM
And i think it should be one or the other..

Either have faith your team can beat NE, get into the playoffs, and play good ball...

Or give it up and quit livin' the dream of becoming the 2009 Cardinals.

Have you ever seen a message board in complete agreement? Kinda defeats the purpose of a message board, no?

Personally, I'm not counting on playoffs, but I'd like to at least see our first winning season.

noxiousdog
12-30-2009, 09:53 AM
Seriously. Heaven forbid there's a difference of opinion.

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2009, 09:54 AM
And i think it should be one or the other..

Either have faith your team can beat NE, get into the playoffs, and play good ball...

Or give it up and quit livin' the dream of becoming the 2009 Cardinals.

I have no faith in a .500 team that plays two quarters of football, who would? However, I know we can beat NE. The confusion lies in which Texans team will show up, and will the Patriots play to win.

Section516
12-30-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm not saying that.

I'm saying, you can't have it both ways.

You can't have it to where: Oh no the Texans can't beat the Pats, but should be in the playoffs.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm confused. :um:

GlassHalfFull
12-30-2009, 10:12 AM
I'm confused. :um:

And water is wet.

False Start
12-30-2009, 10:14 AM
I dont get it....... :thinking:

Section516
12-30-2009, 10:15 AM
Hmm... Let me do this one to myself.

"What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."

TexansBlood
12-30-2009, 10:17 AM
We're gonna beat the Patriots but can 2 out of 3 teams win that we need help from?? That's the problem..

scourge
12-30-2009, 10:18 AM
Beating the Pats is only part of the problem, and there are a few who don't pay attention to that.

Houston is in ONLY if the following happens this weekend...

1. HOU win + NYJ loss or tie + BAL loss or tie OR

2. HOU win + NYJ loss or tie + DEN loss or tie OR

3. HOU win + BAL loss or tie + DEN loss or tie


Baltimore plays Oakland, Denver plays KC, and the Jets play the Bengals. The chances of 2 of those 3 losing considering this are highly unlikely. Cincy and the Pats have locked the 3 and 4 seed, it just matters whether or not either of them wants the 3rd bad enough. I can see both of those teams resting some players to some extent, so we'd really need a miracle and have Oakland and KC play spoilers. Rigoddamndiculous.

But I am hoping for this miracle none the less. Just not expecting it.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 10:20 AM
I'm confused. :um:

And water is wet.

:heh:

Porky
12-30-2009, 10:21 AM
I don't get it. :spin:

GP
12-30-2009, 10:33 AM
Have you ever seen a message board in complete agreement? Kinda defeats the purpose of a message board, no?

Personally, I'm not counting on playoffs, but I'd like to at least see our first winning season.

See, I don't care if we have our first winning season this year.

Because it's a phantom achievement.

This team isn't a piss-poor offense AND defense anymore. It's competent in terms of the offensive and defensive philosophies, as well as possessing enough talented players to compete in today's NFL.

But that doesn't override some glaring problems: Kubiak's divisional record, not winning games against "better" teams, and questionable roster choices and weekly preparation for opponents/gameday strategies.

People who want a winning record just say that to soothe themselves, as well as to avoid seeing the off-season sports media preview our team by saying "Texans in 2010 will try to have their first winning season in franchise history. 8-8, or less, in 2010 means big problems for fans and head coach Gary Kubiak."

9-7, or 8-8, is really NOT that different.

We still suck because our head coach, for four years, has the belief that his offense is just competing against itself and that if our players play well, and follow the plays given to them (i.e. Matt can't audible to anything but a run) then nobody can stop us.

The problem is that our divisional rivals know what to do against us, and it has worked like magic every time. Even a rookie head coach and rookie QB playing his first NFL game beat us. In our own house. On opening day.

There's been too much "It's on me..." from Kubiak.

9-7 means crap. Replace the Seahawks and the Rams with two other teams who are better, and let's see if we get those two wins. I wonder how split the board would be if we lost two more games instead of beating up on those two incompetent teams.

BIG TORO
12-30-2009, 10:34 AM
Im still confused are we going to superbowl or not?

houstonspartan
12-30-2009, 10:36 AM
You have to take into consideration the team that we are rooting for here. This is an extremely talented team, but they don't play like it. Everyone knows they're talented, except the players and the coaches. The fans know and believe it, but they don't.

As a result, they have played inconsistent, and has seriously broken a lot of spirits this year. All of those fumbles at the goal line has worn us out mentally. The Monday Night loss sucked the life and spirit out of this fan base, and the three subsequent losses to division rivals only made it worse.

I think what you're seeing is a fan base that simply doesn't want to get it's hopes up. I have little faith in Kubiak's ability to coach us to the playoffs, and yet I'm also scouting out air fares and hotel rooms in Boston for next weekend (in case we get the Pats in the first round).

The team has massively underacheived this year. Even Kubaik will tell you that if you asked him. At this point, I think fans are simply saying "I'll root for you guys, but you have to show me the W's before I get crazy".

That's fair.

Blake
12-30-2009, 10:36 AM
I get what you are trying to say. Why would certain people who think that we have no shot at beating the Patriots, even want us in the playoffs.

This being sort of a down year, if you can call it that, for the Patriots, they would be the least of our worries if we got into the final 12.

I am from the school of thought that we should beat NE, even if they play their starters all game. Let alone if they rest the starters.

I am torn on how they Texans would play as a wild card in the playoffs. Would they play tight, trying to be perfect, and end up laying an egg? Or will they play with wreckless abandon with nothing to lose? It really could go either way.

Also will they play 0, 2, or 4 quarters of good ball?

Blake
12-30-2009, 10:39 AM
People who want a winning record just say that to soothe themselves, as well as to avoid seeing the off-season sports media preview our team by saying "Texans in 2010 will try to have their first winning season in franchise history. 8-8, or less, in 2010 means big problems for fans and head coach Gary Kubiak.".

Yes, that is exactly why I want that. :bender:

9-7 means crap. Replace the Seahawks and the Rams with two other teams who are better, and let's see if we get those two wins. I wonder how split the board would be if we lost two more games instead of beating up on those two incompetent teams.

Everyone plays bad teams. But you seem to want to hold that against the Texans.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 10:40 AM
I'm confused. :um:

And water is wet.

:heh:

:foottap: :bat:

houstonspartan
12-30-2009, 10:44 AM
See, I don't care if we have our first winning season this year.

Because it's a phantom achievement.

This team isn't a piss-poor offense AND defense anymore. It's competent in terms of the offensive and defensive philosophies, as well as possessing enough talented players to compete in today's NFL.

But that doesn't override some glaring problems: Kubiak's divisional record, not winning games against "better" teams, and questionable roster choices and weekly preparation for opponents/gameday strategies.

People who want a winning record just say that to soothe themselves, as well as to avoid seeing the off-season sports media preview our team by saying "Texans in 2010 will try to have their first winning season in franchise history. 8-8, or less, in 2010 means big problems for fans and head coach Gary Kubiak."

9-7, or 8-8, is really NOT that different.

We still suck because our head coach, for four years, has the belief that his offense is just competing against itself and that if our players play well, and follow the plays given to them (i.e. Matt can't audible to anything but a run) then nobody can stop us.

The problem is that our divisional rivals know what to do against us, and it has worked like magic every time. Even a rookie head coach and rookie QB playing his first NFL game beat us. In our own house. On opening day.

There's been too much "It's on me..." from Kubiak.

9-7 means crap. Replace the Seahawks and the Rams with two other teams who are better, and let's see if we get those two wins. I wonder how split the board would be if we lost two more games instead of beating up on those two incompetent teams.

Well said. I agree. The issue with the divisional rivals is extremely disturbing. I get frustrated when I hear people say "All games count." Well, sure, but the division games are the most important games we play.

You nailed it perfectly: For some reason we struggle against our division rivals, teams we play twice a year and should know inside and out. Yet, our divisional rivals apparently have no problems knowing us inside and out, and planning for it.

That is very disturbing, folks.

As I said in another post, everyone knows that this team is talented - except the coaches and the players.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 10:45 AM
See, I don't care if we have our first winning season this year.

Because it's a phantom achievement.

This team isn't a piss-poor offense AND defense anymore. It's competent in terms of the offensive and defensive philosophies, as well as possessing enough talented players to compete in today's NFL.

But that doesn't override some glaring problems: Kubiak's divisional record, not winning games against "better" teams, and questionable roster choices and weekly preparation for opponents/gameday strategies.

People who want a winning record just say that to soothe themselves, as well as to avoid seeing the off-season sports media preview our team by saying "Texans in 2010 will try to have their first winning season in franchise history. 8-8, or less, in 2010 means big problems for fans and head coach Gary Kubiak."

9-7, or 8-8, is really NOT that different.

We still suck because our head coach, for four years, has the belief that his offense is just competing against itself and that if our players play well, and follow the plays given to them (i.e. Matt can't audible to anything but a run) then nobody can stop us.

The problem is that our divisional rivals know what to do against us, and it has worked like magic every time. Even a rookie head coach and rookie QB playing his first NFL game beat us. In our own house. On opening day.

There's been too much "It's on me..." from Kubiak.

9-7 means crap. Replace the Seahawks and the Rams with two other teams who are better, and let's see if we get those two wins. I wonder how split the board would be if we lost two more games instead of beating up on those two incompetent teams.

Meh, our first winning season is realistically within our reach. We squandered any realistic playoff hopes a few weeks ago, IMO of course.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned....it's been beat to death already. It's clearly obvious that Kubiak will be our coach next year so I ain't going to waste time beating a dead horse.

Thorn
12-30-2009, 10:46 AM
:kitten:

Section516
12-30-2009, 10:57 AM
I get what you are trying to say. Why would certain people who think that we have no shot at beating the Patriots, even want us in the playoffs.

This being sort of a down year, if you can call it that, for the Patriots, they would be the least of our worries if we got into the final 12.

I am from the school of thought that we should beat NE, even if they play their starters all game. Let alone if they rest the starters.

I am torn on how they Texans would play as a wild card in the playoffs. Would they play tight, trying to be perfect, and end up laying an egg? Or will they play with wreckless abandon with nothing to lose? It really could go either way.

Also will they play 0, 2, or 4 quarters of good ball?

^^^^ Should be swapped with the OP. :rake:

Ole Miss Texan
12-30-2009, 11:00 AM
We're finishing the season with hopes of getting into the playoffs playing against one of the best coached teams this decade. With that said, I think we can beat them.

Double Barrel
12-30-2009, 11:02 AM
See, I don't care if we have our first winning season this year.

Wow. I suppose I should just agree to disagree at this point, because as a Texans fan, I ALWAYS want to see our first winning record.

Because it's a phantom achievement.

In the history of the world, Super Bowls are phantom achievements, too. Heck, I could show you 2.5 billion people alive right now in China and India that find the entire Super Bowl achievement to be irrelevant.

And your point? :um:

This team isn't a piss-poor offense AND defense anymore. It's competent in terms of the offensive and defensive philosophies, as well as possessing enough talented players to compete in today's NFL.

But that doesn't override some glaring problems: Kubiak's divisional record, not winning games against "better" teams, and questionable roster choices and weekly preparation for opponents/gameday strategies.

I do not disagree. But I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face. I'd like to see this franchise finally obtain that phantom achievement of a winning record.

People who want a winning record just say that to soothe themselves, as well as to avoid seeing the off-season sports media preview our team by saying "Texans in 2010 will try to have their first winning season in franchise history. 8-8, or less, in 2010 means big problems for fans and head coach Gary Kubiak."

Nice generalization of thousands of people. Got any more far-reaching generalizations that you'd like to share with us about groups of people? :hmmm:

How about the simple idea that fans like to see thier teams win? After 7 years of suck-to-mediocre records, it would just be nice to finally have that winning record. Don't you think it would mean something to the players that we root for every week?

9-7, or 8-8, is really NOT that different.

Not much difference, but a 9-7 team will make the playoffs this year and an 8-8 team will not make the playoffs. O.K., so there is THAT much of a difference in one game.

We still suck because our head coach, for four years, has the belief that his offense is just competing against itself and that if our players play well, and follow the plays given to them (i.e. Matt can't audible to anything but a run) then nobody can stop us.

The problem is that our divisional rivals know what to do against us, and it has worked like magic every time. Even a rookie head coach and rookie QB playing his first NFL game beat us. In our own house. On opening day.

There's been too much "It's on me..." from Kubiak.

I do not disagree, but I still want a winning record, and for the first time in Texans history, we actually have REAL talk about a chance to be in the playoffs going into week 17. Can't you just enjoy the moment, or has your Kubiak hatred clouded that much of your fanaticism?

9-7 means crap. Replace the Seahawks and the Rams with two other teams who are better, and let's see if we get those two wins. I wonder how split the board would be if we lost two more games instead of beating up on those two incompetent teams.

What? Replace two missed Brown FGs with successful FGs if you're going to play that game. We can create "what if..." scenarios all day, but we still end up with the reality of a 8-7 record with a long-shot chance at the playoffs in week 17.

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 11:06 AM
Im still confused are we going to superbowl or not?

maybe, maybe not.
:D

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 11:11 AM
maybe, maybe not.
:D

WTH man... Now I'm even more confused. :gun:

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 11:13 AM
People who want a winning record just say that to soothe themselves, as well as to avoid seeing the off-season sports media preview our team by saying "Texans in 2010 will try to have their first winning season in franchise history. 8-8, or less, in 2010 means big problems for fans and head coach Gary Kubiak."

Seriously, your hater undies are two or three sizes too small.

I want a winning record because it means we won a game I will be attending (like the 79 prior to it). I enjoy watching my team win.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 11:15 AM
Seriously, your hater undies are two or three sizes too small.

I want a winning record because it means we won a game I will be attending (like the 79 prior to it). I enjoy watching my team win.

Really? :thinking: What a novel concept.

:sarcasm:

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 11:15 AM
Seriously, your hater undies are two or three sizes too small.

I want a winning record because it means we won a game I will be attending (like the 79 prior to it). I enjoy watching my team win.

kinda like the Grinch's heart
http://www.gonemild.com/uploaded_images/sku2506-788004.jpg

...hey and he's green too
:D

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 11:19 AM
Seriously, your hater undies are two or three sizes too small.

I want a winning record because it means we won a game I will be attending (like the 79 prior to it). I enjoy watching my team win.

Like this?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QfDpIgxvBU4/SQCpZjf-VUI/AAAAAAAAAcY/A4fJ2k3cAEU/s400/SNN11BORAT-280_612344a.jpg

Cjeremy635
12-30-2009, 11:20 AM
Great post DB, couldn't have said it better myself.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 11:20 AM
Like this?


:bat: You should so get a negative rep...

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 11:21 AM
:bat: You should so get a negative rep...

Hey, at least it's not a view of the back. :photos:

Cjeremy635
12-30-2009, 11:21 AM
Like this?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QfDpIgxvBU4/SQCpZjf-VUI/AAAAAAAAAcY/A4fJ2k3cAEU/s400/SNN11BORAT-280_612344a.jpg

That's just wrong man.......:mcnugget:

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 11:25 AM
Hey, at least it's not a view of the back. :photos:

Hobie :hobie: would've been all giddy.

Silver Oak
12-30-2009, 11:29 AM
Everyone knows they're talented, except the players and the coaches. The fans know and believe it, but they don't.



http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/dog_cupcake_tease.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4152)

disaacks3
12-30-2009, 11:31 AM
I want that 9th win even if:

1) McNair raises my ticket prices and justifies it in a down economy as an "improved product".

2) It doesn't get us into the playoffs.

3) The Patriots play their scrubs.

4) It worsens our drafting position.

I want winning to become a HABIT for these guys and maybe, just maybe they'll try to keep it going (from the coaching on down). If we did somehow sneak into the playoffs, I guarantee you that there aren't a lot of teams that would really relish the thought of facing our Offense. Our defensive secondary maybe...

houstonspartan
12-30-2009, 11:33 AM
I want that 9th win even if:

1) McNair raises my ticket prices and justifies it in a down economy as an "improved product".

2) It doesn't get us into the playoffs.

3) The Patriots play their scrubs.

4) It worsens our drafting position.

I want winning to become a HABIT for these guys and maybe, just maybe they'll try to keep it going (from the coaching on down). If we did somehow sneak into the playoffs, I guarantee you that there aren't a lot of teams that would really relish the thought of facing our Offense. Our defensive secondary maybe...

McNair damn well better not raise our ticket prices again. He did it this year - in the middle of a freaking recession - and damn sure better not do it after this season, considering what the team has done.

El Tejano
12-30-2009, 11:47 AM
The way I'm looking at this week, and hopefully Kubiak is doing the same, is that this week is our Super Bowl and we are playing New England in the Super Bowl. Here's why:

If for anything to finally give this franchise a winning record. All things aside, this would be a great thing because we've all been there for those other seasons.

Because if you wanna be a playoff team, you have to be a winner first and foremost. Do that first and then wait and see if the playoffs are in the plans.

I don't want the team thinking that they have to win to get in the playoffs and playing all scared. I want them to be a determined team with the understanding that the majority of the team's careers have been defined by losing and they can change that this week. That when their career is over they can look back on this season and say I was a part of an NFL Franchise's history by becoming the first winning team. If you play for that first noone can look down on you.

ok off my soap box now.

GP
12-30-2009, 11:48 AM
I do not disagree, but I still want a winning record, and for the first time in Texans history, we actually have REAL talk about a chance to be in the playoffs going into week 17. Can't you just enjoy the moment, or has your Kubiak hatred clouded that much of your fanaticism?

What? Replace two missed Brown FGs with successful FGs if you're going to play that game. We can create "what if..." scenarios all day, but we still end up with the reality of a 8-7 record with a long-shot chance at the playoffs in week 17.

1. My only satisfaction, right now, is in watching Brian Cushing play football at a high level. I actually enjoy watching our defense more than watching our offense. Because we saw our d-coord yank some under-performing DBs, trade a lazy-ass DT, and he just lets his players play. Kubiak doesn't play the better players, gives way too much favoritism to Walter and Anderson at the expense of Jacoby Jones (who just has HUGE YAC when he gets the chance). There's only one side of the ball that intrigues me right now, and it's not Kubiak's side of the ball--His "turtle-shell" attitude, when we get a lead, is beyond the pale. You can see the whole offense just go into a trance and become totally incapable of sustaining drives because they, too, know that they're not trying to score--not trying to take a chance.

2. If your field goal kicker is responsible for tying or winning games, as has been the case for Kris Brown, then your offensive production sucks rocks. It means you need a foot of a guy--a guy who kicks a damn ball, and thats IT--then how can you blame the guy for missing some? I've seen a lot of Kris Brown bashing, but the truth, to me, is that Gary Kubiak needs to figure out a way to beat teams by scoring touchdowns and by sustaining drives to eat the clock.

Instead, we throw a halfback pass with CHRIS Brown at the controls? LOL.

Kubiak stubbornly, at the cost of his own TEAM on gameday, treats Jacoby Jones like he has leprosy (in terms of playing WR) so that we can get 5-yard curls and slants out of Walter and Anderson?

Kubiak and his GM fail to give Cedric Benson just a few more million, and the promise of lots of snaps, because Steve Slaton is now a superstar and will never get hurt? There are some garbage free agent running backs out there, and we've had a history of signing a lot of them (Gado, Dayne, etc.) but we can't pursue and SIGN a guy like Benson?

Kubiak can't beat his divisional rivals? That gives the owners of the Colts, Titans, and Jags a reason to keep their head coaches--That's a guaranteed 2 wins for each team in our division each year!

The guy is going to do the same freaking thing next season that he has done for the past four seasons. Evolving into a better head coach doesn't take this long in today's NFL. It operates at FedEx overnight rates. Period.

Builds a great offense, stabilized the Texans, but has had four years to reach 9-7, even with a gift of a schedule that he had this year.

Yeah, I'd say that I'm pretty jaded right now. We're looking at one final game that's in no way an easy game, then it's going to be a long run-up to another "satisfying" season with Gary Kubiak at the helm. I'm just brimming with excitement.

Like I said, I've become a fan of Frank Bush and his defense. I think there's more leadership on that side of the ball. I think there's an identity there that the offense doesn't have.

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 11:53 AM
And i think it should be one or the other..

Either have faith your team can beat NE, get into the playoffs, and play good ball...

Or give it up and quit livin' the dream of becoming the 2009 Cardinals.

I don't think we'll get into the play-offs, but I think we can beat the Patriots' starters.

JB
12-30-2009, 11:54 AM
:roast: and going and going and going...

:deadhorse

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 11:58 AM
Like this?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QfDpIgxvBU4/SQCpZjf-VUI/AAAAAAAAAcY/A4fJ2k3cAEU/s400/SNN11BORAT-280_612344a.jpg

I don't know what's more disturbing, the picture or that you knew where to find it.
at any rate, eewwwwww!

Blake
12-30-2009, 11:59 AM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/dog_cupcake_tease.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4152)


Damn that dog is creeping me out...

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 12:00 PM
2. If your field goal kicker is responsible for tying or winning games, as has been the case for Kris Brown, then your offensive production sucks rocks. It means you need a foot of a guy--a guy who kicks a damn ball, and thats IT--then how can you blame the guy for missing some? I've seen a lot of Kris Brown bashing, but the truth, to me, is that Gary Kubiak needs to figure out a way to beat teams by scoring touchdowns and by sustaining drives to eat the clock.

Classic example of how you just pull things out of your arse to complain about. Remind us who the last person to score in the three Patriots' Super Bowl wins was?

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 12:07 PM
See, I don't care if we have our first winning season this year.

Because it's a phantom achievement.

This team isn't a piss-poor offense AND defense anymore. It's competent in terms of the offensive and defensive philosophies, as well as possessing enough talented players to compete in today's NFL.

We still suck because our head coach, for four years, has the belief that his offense is just competing against itself and that if our players play well, and follow the plays given to them (i.e. Matt can't audible to anything but a run) then nobody can stop us.

The problem is that our divisional rivals know what to do against us, and it has worked like magic every time. Even a rookie head coach and rookie QB playing his first NFL game beat us. In our own house. On opening day.


I agree with you that there is no difference between 8-8 & 9-7. I'll go a step further & say there is no difference between 9-7 & 7-9.

But you mention that our offense isn't a "piss-poor" offense. Evidence of that is obviously seen in our offensive stats. Passing yards most of all, but we're doing well in scoring & touchdowns as well. Where last year, all we had was total yards. We are definitely less balanced than we were last year, but our passing attack has been able to make up for it..... except in TOP.

With that said, how can we criticize Kubiak's offensive philosophy that we should be able to run what we want to run on more snaps than not.

I mean, I don't like it either, but the results are right there. If there is a free rusher, Matt & the hot reciever needs to be on the same page. I doubt Matt has seen a defense that he knew the passing play was doomed to fail against.

The run plays are harder to justify, if you see they are overloaded to the play side... surely there needs to be some way out of that play. But maybe.. Coach thinks we should be able to pick it up with the correct calls from Center, & correct reads from the HB.... I don't know, I can't justify it. But last years running game alludes to there may be more to it than we think.

I know our run game has suffered this year, but I don't know we can blame it on the philosophy. He brought that philosophy with him from Denver, and it was successful last year in the passing and running game.

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 12:14 PM
You nailed it perfectly: For some reason we struggle against our division rivals, teams we play twice a year and should know inside and out. Yet, our divisional rivals apparently have no problems knowing us inside and out, and planning for it.

That is very disturbing, folks.


Where I work, safety & injuries are a big thing, & what we talk about all day every day. But we don't get ourselves hurt doing the things we do occasionally. We get hurt doing the things we do all the time.

Call it complacency, call it over confidence.

But the blame does not rest on the coaches shoulder's alone. The percentage of first time starters on our team is still not where it needs to be to start demanding consistency. At least I don't think so.

Blake
12-30-2009, 12:14 PM
classic example of how you just pull things out of your arse to complain about. Remind us who the last person to score in the three patriots super bowls was?

ftw.

Texecutioner
12-30-2009, 12:25 PM
1. My only satisfaction, right now, is in watching Brian Cushing play football at a high level. I actually enjoy watching our defense more than watching our offense. Because we saw our d-coord yank some under-performing DBs, trade a lazy-ass DT, and he just lets his players play. Kubiak doesn't play the better players, gives way too much favoritism to Walter and Anderson at the expense of Jacoby Jones (who just has HUGE YAC when he gets the chance). There's only one side of the ball that intrigues me right now, and it's not Kubiak's side of the ball--His "turtle-shell" attitude, when we get a lead, is beyond the pale. You can see the whole offense just go into a trance and become totally incapable of sustaining drives because they, too, know that they're not trying to score--not trying to take a chance.

2. If your field goal kicker is responsible for tying or winning games, as has been the case for Kris Brown, then your offensive production sucks rocks. It means you need a foot of a guy--a guy who kicks a damn ball, and thats IT--then how can you blame the guy for missing some? I've seen a lot of Kris Brown bashing, but the truth, to me, is that Gary Kubiak needs to figure out a way to beat teams by scoring touchdowns and by sustaining drives to eat the clock.

Instead, we throw a halfback pass with CHRIS Brown at the controls? LOL.

Kubiak stubbornly, at the cost of his own TEAM on gameday, treats Jacoby Jones like he has leprosy (in terms of playing WR) so that we can get 5-yard curls and slants out of Walter and Anderson?

Kubiak and his GM fail to give Cedric Benson just a few more million, and the promise of lots of snaps, because Steve Slaton is now a superstar and will never get hurt? There are some garbage free agent running backs out there, and we've had a history of signing a lot of them (Gado, Dayne, etc.) but we can't pursue and SIGN a guy like Benson?

Kubiak can't beat his divisional rivals? That gives the owners of the Colts, Titans, and Jags a reason to keep their head coaches--That's a guaranteed 2 wins for each team in our division each year!

The guy is going to do the same freaking thing next season that he has done for the past four seasons. Evolving into a better head coach doesn't take this long in today's NFL. It operates at FedEx overnight rates. Period.

Builds a great offense, stabilized the Texans, but has had four years to reach 9-7, even with a gift of a schedule that he had this year.

Yeah, I'd say that I'm pretty jaded right now. We're looking at one final game that's in no way an easy game, then it's going to be a long run-up to another "satisfying" season with Gary Kubiak at the helm. I'm just brimming with excitement.

Like I said, I've become a fan of Frank Bush and his defense. I think there's more leadership on that side of the ball. I think there's an identity there that the offense doesn't have.

Most of this is spot on. I'm not sold that Frank Bush is and will be some great DC though. The defense has been improving though and that's a good sign for now.

As far as Brown the kicker goes, it's more ridiculous to me that Kubes simply refuses to bring in some other kickers and at least work them out and see what other possible options that we might have. His stubbornness to keep Brown in there when so many games come down to FG's is the typical bullshit that he's done a lot in his tenure along with the other Brown as well. Kris Brown has been a damn good K for a lot of years now, but he's been dreadful this season and Kubes should have checked out other guys a while back and Brown still keeps missing.

steelbtexan
12-30-2009, 12:49 PM
You have to take into consideration the team that we are rooting for here. This is an extremely talented team, but they don't play like it. Everyone knows they're talented, except the players and the coaches. The fans know and believe it, but they don't.

As a result, they have played inconsistent, and has seriously broken a lot of spirits this year. All of those fumbles at the goal line has worn us out mentally. The Monday Night loss sucked the life and spirit out of this fan base, and the three subsequent losses to division rivals only made it worse.

I think what you're seeing is a fan base that simply doesn't want to get it's hopes up. I have little faith in Kubiak's ability to coach us to the playoffs, and yet I'm also scouting out air fares and hotel rooms in Boston for next weekend (in case we get the Pats in the first round).

The team has massively underacheived this year. Even Kubaik will tell you that if you asked him. At this point, I think fans are simply saying "I'll root for you guys, but you have to show me the W's before I get crazy".

That's fair.

This is exactly how I feel.

I cant believe tharwith a very talented team 9-7 or 8-8 is good enough for some fans.

Kubes said before the year that this was the year they were going to make the playoffs and there would be no excuses.

Yet the excuses are begining from management and the fans.

For the people that say firing Kubes will set the team back 2 years I have this ? If the team doesn't make the playoffs next year and they get rid of Kubes does that mean a new HC wont be able to get the team into the playoffs for 2 more years?

A new regime wouldn't take long to retool this team. The thought that the OL would need 2 more years to rebuild is wrong. Winston and Brown can play OL in any system and the interior of the OL needs to be replaced anyway. IMHO

The only reason to keep Kubes is if you think he can win a Super Bowl and so far with his personnel decisions (C.Brown) and coaching decisions (HB pass and lining an erattic (SP) K up for a long FG when there was time left on the clock to gain more yards, Use of TO's and play challenges) I dont think Kubes is the guy to win this city a Super Bowl.

BTW does everybody realize that the offense has scored 9 points total in the last 3 games in the 2nd half?

Rant Over

Section516
12-30-2009, 12:57 PM
Hm, I got kind of a simple question though..

Who would run our offense if Kubes left?

Little S? I don't think hes earned his blood wings yet, I dont wanna let him fly.

Texecutioner
12-30-2009, 01:17 PM
BTW does everybody realize that the offense has scored 9 points total in the last 3 games in the 2nd half?



Wow. I didn't know that. That's pathetic.

HJam72
12-30-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm not happy! :brickwall: :foottap:

Double Barrel
12-30-2009, 02:05 PM
I agree with you that there is no difference between 8-8 & 9-7. I'll go a step further & say there is no difference between 9-7 & 7-9.

How can you say that when there are FIVE AFC teams right now with 8-7 records that are competing for two wildcard spots? There is a HUGE difference between 9-7 and 8-8 when it's a matter of securing a playoff position.

Not to mention a 9-7 record or better defines a winning season, which we have never experienced as Texans fans.

Look, I'm not the biggest Kubiak fan and have my own list of huge concerns about him as a HC. But be that as it may, I'm a Texans fan first and foremost, and I want to see this team finally get over that little hump of "first winning season". It bugs the crap out of me that we are in year 8 and we have yet to jump that particular hurdle.

It is possible to root for the team without being a fan of the HC.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 02:16 PM
A HOU-TEX random observation:

Did y'all know we re-signed Salaam?

brakos82
12-30-2009, 02:18 PM
make this thread make sense or I'm killing PapaL.

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 02:27 PM
A HOU-TEX random observation:

Did y'all know we re-signed Salaam?

Yes. That was going on two weeks ago.
Where you been?
:)

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 02:28 PM
This is exactly how I feel.

I cant believe tharwith a very talented team 9-7 or 8-8 is good enough for some fans.

Kubes said before the year that this was the year they were going to make the playoffs and there would be no excuses.

Yet the excuses are begining from management and the fans.

For the people that say firing Kubes will set the team back 2 years I have this ? If the team doesn't make the playoffs next year and they get rid of Kubes does that mean a new HC wont be able to get the team into the playoffs for 2 more years?

A new regime wouldn't take long to retool this team. The thought that the OL would need 2 more years to rebuild is wrong. Winston and Brown can play OL in any system and the interior of the OL needs to be replaced anyway. IMHO

The only reason to keep Kubes is if you think he can win a Super Bowl and so far with his personnel decisions (C.Brown) and coaching decisions (HB pass and lining an erattic (SP) K up for a long FG when there was time left on the clock to gain more yards, Use of TO's and play challenges) I dont think Kubes is the guy to win this city a Super Bowl.

BTW does everybody realize that the offense has scored 9 points total in the last 3 games in the 2nd half?

Rant Over

ummm... did we lose any of those games?
...just askin'...
:brando:

Silver Oak
12-30-2009, 02:33 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ObsiWan again.

PapaL
12-30-2009, 02:41 PM
Our team is good enough to beat anyone...bad enough to lose to anyone too!

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 02:44 PM
Damn that dog is creeping me out...

no crap!
what was the msg of that vid anyway...
that damned dog made me forget what the topic was
LOL

steelbtexan
12-30-2009, 04:13 PM
ummm... did we lose any of those games?
...just askin'...
:brando:

Only because we played crap teams.

If they dont score more than 3 points against N.E. in the 2nd half they will lose garunteed.

Do you honestly think Kubes can lead the Texans to a championship?

TheCD
12-30-2009, 04:16 PM
Do you honestly think Kubes can lead the Texans to a championship?

Did you honestly ever think that "offensive genius" Brian Billick would have ever led the Ravens to a championship?

Just curious...

Double Barrel
12-30-2009, 04:25 PM
Do you honestly think Kubes can lead the Texans to a championship?

No, but it won't stop me from hoping that he can. :howdy:

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 04:31 PM
Do you honestly think Kubes can lead the Texans to a championship?

I honestly think if this team doesn't shoot themselves in the foot they can win on any Sunday even if that is despite the coaching.

DexmanC
12-30-2009, 04:37 PM
I honestly think if this team doesn't shoot themselves in the foot they can win on any Sunday even if that is despite the coaching.

The standard should not be set that low. If that were the case, we'd have
fired only Casserly and got a better GM. Maybe we should have acquired
enough talent to win in spite of Capers.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 04:50 PM
The standard should not be set that low. If that were the case, we'd have
fired only Casserly and got a better GM. Maybe we should have acquired
enough talent to win in spite of Capers.

Don't take the comment for more than it said. With the exact same coaching decisions this year this team could be 2-4 games better on record due to their own failures. They can beat any team. Maybe (mainly conjecture) better coaching would have resulted in a couple more wins. So my statement remains correct - if the team plays to its potential it can bang with any team as currently coached.

Spare me the Capers comments as they just make you look absurd. Capers couldn't sniff the current team.

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 04:55 PM
Only because we played crap teams.

If they dont score more than 3 points against N.E. in the 2nd half they will lose garunteed.

Do you honestly think Kubes can lead the Texans to a championship?

If I didn't I'd be a Soaper.

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 05:08 PM
Wow. I didn't know that. That's pathetic.

Pathetic in and of itself. But when you look at the big picture, there were some games we didn't score any in the first half, and a bunch in the second half.

The Jets game, Schaub came out slow, unconfident, and just plain flat. (Not just Schaub, but he runs the show). We didn't start getting into rhythm until later in the game.

Against Tennessee, we scored 24 in the first half, & 7 in the second.

Against Arizona, 0 in the first half, 21 in the second.

Cincinatti, 14 in both halfs. 0 in the 4th Qtr

Buffalo, 6 in the first half, 25 in the second.

Indy(1) 3 in the first half, 14 in the second.

Tennessee 14 in the first half, 3 in the second.

Indy 20 in the first, 7 in the second

Jacksonville 7 in the first half, 11 in the second half.

Seattle 24 in the first half, 10 in the second half, 0 in the 4th Qtr

St Louis: 6 in the first half, 10 in the second half. I think this is the only game we scored in all 4 Qtrs.

I remember a stretch where Kubiak was saying we had to figure out how to get it going in the first half. With a three game streak of 1st half scoring, hopefully he can cross that off his list, & move on to scoring in the 4th Qtr.

Remember 2006 I think when we couldn't score in the 3rd Qtr?

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 05:14 PM
How can you say that when there are FIVE AFC teams right now with 8-7 records that are competing for two wildcard spots? There is a HUGE difference between 9-7 and 8-8 when it's a matter of securing a playoff position.


It is possible to root for the team without being a fan of the HC.

I'm a huge fan of the HC.

I want a 9-7 season. I'll be at Reliant hoot'n & holler'n to help get us there, regardless whether Brady, Welker or Moss play. As a matter of fact, I hope they show up, and we run up 21 points on them in the first Qtr, that they give up, & sit their starters down.

But I don't think 9-7 says we are a better team, than if we had finished 7-9 this year, which is just as possible as us being 10-5 right now.

I think this is a much better team than we have ever fielded. I wouldn't have thought any different had we finished 7-9, & I would have kept my mouth shut about what 12-4 meant.

GP
12-30-2009, 05:21 PM
Classic example of how you just pull things out of your arse to complain about. Remind us who the last person to score in the three Patriots' Super Bowl wins was?

Except with this Texans team, we're trying to eek out regular season wins via a field goal.

It'd be interesting to see how many times the Patriots had to resort to the leg of their field goal kicker in order to tie or win a game.

In the Super Bowl, you're facing the other conference's BEST team. Not bottom dwellers. It's natural that the Super Bowl might come down to a field goal attempt.

These Texans are led by a bad gameday coach. Period.

GP
12-30-2009, 05:25 PM
A lot of you guys are scared to jump on Kubiak because he's going to be back next year.

LOL.

It's just going to be another season like the previous four.

AND....it's going to alienate the players and probably do more harm to the team than the good that could come from saying "Thanks for stopping the bleeding, Gary, but we need a coach who can inspire and lead the team when the games matter the most."

I saw what I needed to see when David Carr couldn't get over the hump in his last season here. It was obvious.

It's obvious, to anybody here who is being truthful, that this coach has hit his ceiling with THIS team, and he needs to leave.

There'll be one more year of podium-tapping, "It's on me..." pressers.

Bank on it.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 05:26 PM
Except with this Texans team, we're trying to eek out regular season wins via a field goal.

It'd be interesting to see how many times the Patriots had to resort to the leg of their field goal kicker in order to tie or win a game.

In the Super Bowl, you're facing the other conference's BEST team. Not bottom dwellers. It's natural that the Super Bowl might come down to a field goal attempt.

These Texans are led by a bad gameday coach. Period.

You mean kind of like the Patriots eek'd out a win against the Texans on a Vinateri kick in OT when we went 5-11? - and they went on to win the SB.

Good arguments have been made against Kubiak. That wasn't one. You made a bad argument. Period.

AND....it's going to alienate the players

Says you contrary to every player who has spoken on the subject. That's actually one of the things that has me leaning toward bringing Kubiak back - the players want him back.

Double Barrel
12-30-2009, 05:31 PM
I'm a huge fan of the HC.

I want a 9-7 season. I'll be at Reliant hoot'n & holler'n to help get us there, regardless whether Brady, Welker or Moss play. As a matter of fact, I hope they show up, and we run up 21 points on them in the first Qtr, that they give up, & sit their starters down.

But I don't think 9-7 says we are a better team, than if we had finished 7-9 this year, which is just as possible as us being 10-5 right now.

I think this is a much better team than we have ever fielded. I wouldn't have thought any different had we finished 7-9, & I would have kept my mouth shut about what 12-4 meant.

I understand where you are coming from, but I guess I see it differently. This is a results-driven league, and cream tends to rise to the top. We qualify better teams over mediocre teams by win/loss records, so while there might not be much of a difference between 9-7 or 7-9 in terms of talent, I think there is a difference in terms of the collective will to succeed as a team.

Just use this week's game as an example. The Texans are more than capable of competing with the Patriots. What is the intangible(s) that will motivate them to win and secure a 9-7 record? It's something beyond the collective talent of the team. It's what separates the better teams from the mediocre teams in the NFL, IMO.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 05:34 PM
You mean kind of like the Patriots eek'd out a win against the Texans on a Vinateri kick in OT when we went 5-11? - and they went on to win the SB.


To piggy back on this, the Patriots used him for 20 game winning kicks between '99 and 2005 (which included the game Cak mentions above). That's a lot of eek'd out games.

As an aside, the other Super Bowl team from that season lost to the Texans. Just sayin..

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 05:37 PM
A lot of you guys are scared to jump on Kubiak because he's going to be back next year.


huh?
What?!

Anyone here on Kubiak's payroll?
I know I'm not.
I guess you lost me here. Scared of what??

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 05:37 PM
The standard should not be set that low. If that were the case, we'd have
fired only Casserly and got a better GM. Maybe we should have acquired
enough talent to win in spite of Capers.

It's not that Casserly didn't get Capers Talent.

Capers had a 4 year record of poor performance in developing young talent.

Did we get any picks at all for anyone Capers coached?
Was there ever any player worth franchising? Other than AJ?

Did we get any compensatory picks for loosing any talent?

We've got three recievers on this team that Kubiak can flip for more than he got them for.

We've a 7th round LB that could start on many teams in the NFL.

We've got a 4th round draft pick for a scrub back-up QB that nobody knew.

We've got 4 new probowlers... not players with probowl like seasons, but 4 probowlers on this team. Mario, Cushing, Owen Daniels... Schaub is an Alternate, but I bet he ends up playing.

Big difference between Kubiak & Capers.

If you see no difference, you shouldn't even be in this conversation.

Capers never had us leading or in the top of the league in any positive stat. Never.

HJam72
12-30-2009, 05:51 PM
I guess Kubiak's players execute. :runaway:

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 05:52 PM
huh?
What?!

Anyone here on Kubiak's payroll?
I know I'm not.
I guess you lost me here. Scared of what??

You're a skeered. Just admit it.... :spin:

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 05:55 PM
Don't take the comment for more than it said. With the exact same coaching decisions this year this team could be 2-4 games better on record due to their own failures. They can beat any team. Maybe (mainly conjecture) better coaching would have resulted in a couple more wins. So my statement remains correct - if the team plays to its potential it can bang with any team as currently coached.

Spare me the Capers comments as they just make you look absurd. Capers couldn't sniff the current team.

It's the coach!
No. It's the players!
It's the coach!
No. It's the players!
It's the coach!
No. It's the players!
Great taste!
Less filling!

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 06:06 PM
A lot of you guys are scared to jump on Kubiak because he's going to be back next year.

LOL.

It's just going to be another season like the previous four.

I hope so


AND....it's going to alienate the players and probably do more harm to the team than the good that could come from saying "Thanks for stopping the bleeding, Gary, but we need a coach who can inspire and lead the team when the games matter the most."

Andre Johnson has had 2 of his best seasons ever with Gary Kubiak. I doubt you'll alienate him, and where AJ goes this team goes. Or at least it better.

I saw what I needed to see when David Carr couldn't get over the hump in his last season here. It was obvious.

If it took you that long, then you're just like the rest of the sheep... people who know football knew we wasted that $8 million before we gave it to him.

Same thing here, when people make up things to criticize, or get on Kubiak for doing the same thing other coaches (the best coaches) do on gameday.

Even if we are only blowing teams out in the first Qtr, or shutting them down in the 3rd... how can you say he isn't getting the team prepared?

I'm not talking about moving the ball, I'm talking about 21-0 against the Colts. I'm talking 27 unanswered on the Dolphins. I'm talking about shutting down the leagues leading rusher, when he was the leagues leading rusher (Cedric Benson).

It's just absurd some of the things being said.

It's obvious, to anybody here who is being truthful, that this coach has hit his ceiling with THIS team, and he needs to leave.

Again, AJ is leading the league... not the crappy teams, the league in Receiving 2 years in a row. This year, with no run support.

Mario is going to his second Pro-Bowl. Demeco is going to his second Pro Bowl. Brian Cushing will most likely be DROY, he's going to his 1st Pro Bowl.

Kubiak has hit his ceiling, meanwhile we are top ten in every offensive category, minus rushing. & the defense is ranked higher than it ever has.

None of this was true last year.... but he's hit his ceiling, & it's obvious..... psssh.

There'll be one more year of podium-tapping, "It's on me..." pressers.

Bank on it.

Every other situation, we're damning a coach for feeding the media with stuff that is not their business. Our coach controls his locker room, don't point fingers & mans up to his mistakes.

& that's a bad thing?

Thorn
12-30-2009, 06:11 PM
It's the coach!
No. It's the players!
It's the coach!
No. It's the players!
It's the coach!
No. It's the players!
Great taste!
Less filling!

It has come down to this, and the arguments are getting real boring.

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 06:12 PM
It has come down to this, and the arguments are getting real boring.

I forgot the smiley.
:D

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 06:12 PM
It has come down to this, and the arguments are getting real boring.

No they haven't
Yes they have.
No they haven't
Yes they have.
No they haven't
Yes they have.
No they haven't
Yes they have.

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 06:12 PM
I understand where you are coming from, but I guess I see it differently. This is a results-driven league, and cream tends to rise to the top. We qualify better teams over mediocre teams by win/loss records, so while there might not be much of a difference between 9-7 or 7-9 in terms of talent, I think there is a difference in terms of the collective will to succeed as a team.

Not everything in this league is perfect. Bad teams need to learn how to play, before they worry too much about W-L. The W-L for a good team, like the Colts, the Chargers, the Patriots... mean a lot more than the W-L of a bad team.

W-L makes the Cowboys think they should be in the Super Bowl, when getting knocked out of the first round every year should tell them they need to learn how to play.

Hot/cold teams, when you wonder who is going to show up, is just a talented team learning how to play with each other.

Just use this week's game as an example. The Texans are more than capable of competing with the Patriots. What is the intangible(s) that will motivate them to win and secure a 9-7 record? It's something beyond the collective talent of the team. It's what separates the better teams from the mediocre teams in the NFL, IMO.

The intangible that will most likely win the game, could be the players doing their jobs as best they can so as not to let his team mate down.

The intangible that will most likely win the game, could be playing with a group of guys long enough that you're on the same page every second you're on the field.

steelbtexan
12-30-2009, 06:24 PM
A lot of you guys are scared to jump on Kubiak because he's going to be back next year.

LOL.

It's just going to be another season like the previous four.

AND....it's going to alienate the players and probably do more harm to the team than the good that could come from saying "Thanks for stopping the bleeding, Gary, but we need a coach who can inspire and lead the team when the games matter the most."

I saw what I needed to see when David Carr couldn't get over the hump in his last season here. It was obvious.

It's obvious, to anybody here who is being truthful, that this coach has hit his ceiling with THIS team, and he needs to leave.

There'll be one more year of podium-tapping, "It's on me..." pressers.

Bank on it.

I know what you're saying but

Kubes is going to be here nxt year due to the 2010 work stoppage. If McNair lets him finish out his contract he wont have to pay the coaching staff because the coaching staff will no longer be under contract.

So I hope I'm wrong and the coaching staff improves their weaknesses. (The Browns,coaching challenges,TO issues etc......

I've got to keep the faith and hope my eyes are failing me

Giant Tiger
12-30-2009, 07:49 PM
Beating the Pats is only part of the problem, and there are a few who don't pay attention to that.

Houston is in ONLY if the following happens this weekend...

1. HOU win + NYJ loss or tie + BAL loss or tie OR

2. HOU win + NYJ loss or tie + DEN loss or tie OR

3. HOU win + BAL loss or tie + DEN loss or tie


Baltimore plays Oakland, Denver plays KC, and the Jets play the Bengals. The chances of 2 of those 3 losing considering this are highly unlikely. Cincy and the Pats have locked the 3 and 4 seed, it just matters whether or not either of them wants the 3rd bad enough. I can see both of those teams resting some players to some extent, so we'd really need a miracle and have Oakland and KC play spoilers. Rigoddamndiculous.

But I am hoping for this miracle none the less. Just not expecting it.

It's like a puzzle we're putting together; all the pieces have to fit for us to make the playoffs. Yeah, I know the chances are slim, after going 1-5 in the division; but we still have a shot going into the last game of the year. The funny thing is; I've always felt that our first ever playoff appearance would be the result of the craziest of circumstances. Like you said, we still have hope :)

GP
12-30-2009, 09:26 PM
I hope so

Andre Johnson has had 2 of his best seasons ever with Gary Kubiak. I doubt you'll alienate him, and where AJ goes this team goes. Or at least it better. And I'll say what I have said about a week or so ago: Andre Johnson and the Texans is like Barry Sanders and the Lions...two great HOF'ers who were stuck on mediocre teams. Yeah, they're great. But Andre Johnson is one man. Kubiak is one man, as well, but he's the man who runs the whole show. Too bad all those stats never end up with us in the playoffs.

If it took you that long, then you're just like the rest of the sheep... people who know football knew we wasted that $8 million before we gave it to him.

Same thing here, when people make up things to criticize, or get on Kubiak for doing the same thing other coaches (the best coaches) do on gameday. Well, hell, I thought he had a Top-10 offense and highest-ranked defense and the best WR and yada-yada-yada? Again, the stats are nice. But the players need a better gameday coach who manages the game instead of acting like he's running his plays during a scripted practice against the scout team. To me, this season was Kubiak's audition for why he would deserve to be here for an extended period of time. It's not working out. And I was his most ardent supporter over the summer when others were already projecting doom-and-gloom before a preseason game had even been played. Looks like they were right. Runner, you have my apologies. You were right!

Even if we are only blowing teams out in the first Qtr, or shutting them down in the 3rd... how can you say he isn't getting the team prepared?

I'm not talking about moving the ball, I'm talking about 21-0 against the Colts. I'm talking 27 unanswered on the Dolphins. I'm talking about shutting down the leagues leading rusher, when he was the leagues leading rusher (Cedric Benson). I think Marvin Lewis hit the nail on the head, when in his presser he said they had looked past the Texans and were worried about all the hype surrounding his team's early success. I don't credit Gary Kubiak for the defense playing better. I credit Frank Bush. And he did this in the face of being laughed at because he was considered to be an F.O.K'er (Friend of Kubiak) instead of a serious candidate. Hands down, this defense is playing more consistently on their snaps than the offense is.

It's just absurd some of the things being said.

Again, AJ is leading the league... not the crappy teams, the league in Receiving 2 years in a row. This year, with no run support.

Mario is going to his second Pro-Bowl. Demeco is going to his second Pro Bowl. Brian Cushing will most likely be DROY, he's going to his 1st Pro Bowl.

Kubiak has hit his ceiling, meanwhile we are top ten in every offensive category, minus rushing. & the defense is ranked higher than it ever has.

None of this was true last year.... but he's hit his ceiling, & it's obvious..... psssh. Yeah, getting pwned by your divisional rivals, beating up on the weak teams in the league (btw, what an astounding victory of the Rams that was!), and going full-turtle when we have a lead is proof (to me) that the guy is a maintainer and not a true tactician of the caliber you find in other head coaches who have turned their teams around taken them to the playoffs. Jeff Fisher, and even old Jack Del Rio to some extent, has shown more balls and flashes of strategery than Kubiak has ever dreamt of. Even the Redskins know that they have to play Haynesworth instead of benching him like Kubiak did to Jacoby. The running back situation has just been a nightmare, too. And let's not even start on the situation of our starting Center and everyone on the line not named Eric Winston.


Every other situation, we're damning a coach for feeding the media with stuff that is not their business. Our coach controls his locker room, don't point fingers & mans up to his mistakes. I will concede that it's a good thing that he doesn't throw fits and doesn't throw people under the bus. That's the quality that I think has endeared him to so many.

& that's a bad thing? I think if a man says "It's on me..." with the frequency that he has stated it in his Loser Monday pressers, at some point a logical person might wonder if he is going to be able to find a practical strategy that might at least reduce the severity or chronic nature of said problems. I mean, it's Gurry's job. Isn't it?

Look, thank you for injecting actual dialogue about this. I really have read what you have posted. I know you feel the way you feel, and that you feel sincerely and honestly about it.

I've responded with the best posts that I can manage, to try and match your depth of description about how you feel. So in that, I think we both understand each other better (hopefully!).

Lucky has made a post that I think encapsulates everything I feel, and he did it in far fewer words and smart-assery than what I have dished out.

Maybe where I go wrong is how I can sometimes go DaleMurphy in trying to vent or explain how I feel. I just think we're in for another similar season of our HC staring at his Denny's menu and wondering how in the world his "kids" just can't seem to grasp the concept of beating teams that matter most on the schedule.

I dunno, if the players are so responsible for this team not getting over the hump...then why is there even a coaching staff at all? They've been playing ball since they were kids. But the coaches have been doing this thing even LONGER. Logic says that the older guys should be able to find ways to put the younger guys in positions of strength as it's related to the opponent's weaknesses. Anybody here get the idea that Gary Kubiak just can't seem to get all the dots to match up on the Rubix Cube? He can get a few sides to line up, but can he get it ALL figured out? Maybe. But I don't think so.