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Maddict5
12-29-2009, 06:31 PM
Will be starting in half an hour.

likely:

AJ
Mario (probably not that deserving though)

Possibles:

Schaub (deserves it but prob wont make it in the top 3. brady wont go though & the SB qb wont go so he should get there)
Cushing ( should go but you never know with rookies)
Demeco (his best yr imo despite no ints)

Outside shot:

Pollard
JJ

Thorn
12-29-2009, 06:32 PM
AJ is a sure thing. The rest, well, maybe.

m5kwatts
12-29-2009, 06:48 PM
Mario deserves a make up Pro Bowl bid for being snubbed in 07

jaayteetx
12-29-2009, 06:50 PM
Ain't no way Schaub is going to the pro bowl, I"m telling ya! He'll have a higher priority commitment the week after. :texflag:

Thorn
12-29-2009, 06:53 PM
Isn't the pro bowl scheduled the week before the Super Bowl this year? If that's so, that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.

I hope I understood the scheduling wrong.

brakos82
12-29-2009, 06:56 PM
Isn't the pro bowl scheduled the week before the Super Bowl this year? If that's so, that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.

I hope I understood the scheduling wrong.

Your brain's smarter than your hope.

MannyFresh
12-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Isn't the pro bowl scheduled the week before the Super Bowl this year? If that's so, that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.

I hope I understood the scheduling wrong.

yeah ole Goodell thinking it will build "anticipation", yeah i don't think so....

Texan_Bill
12-29-2009, 06:58 PM
Isn't the pro bowl scheduled the week before the Super Bowl this year? If that's so, that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.

I hope I understood the scheduling wrong.

No, I think you're right. I think the Pro Bowl is scheduled for 1/31/10 and the Super Bowl is scheduled for 2/7/10.... Unfortunately.

They move the thing out of Hawaii and everything gets screwed up.

brakos82
12-29-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm havign one of those F5 moments.

TexansFanatic
12-29-2009, 06:59 PM
Isn't the pro bowl scheduled the week before the Super Bowl this year? If that's so, that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.

I hope I understood the scheduling wrong.

Holy cow, I just googled it and it's true. And you're right: it absolutely is the stupidest thing the NFL has ever done.

LINK (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dbeb16&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:01 PM
What team going to the Super bowl is going to allow their players to risk injury in a meaningless game?

My God, that is just stupid beyond belief.

jaayteetx
12-29-2009, 07:01 PM
What team going to the Super bowl is going to allow their players to risk injury in a meaningless game?

My God, that is just stupid beyond belief.

Super bowl teams players won't play.

Maddict5
12-29-2009, 07:02 PM
What team going to the Super bowl is going to allow their players to risk injury in a meaningless game?

My God, that is just stupid beyond belief.

superbowlers wont be playing

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:03 PM
Hummmm.....super bowl players not playing would give a few alternate folks a chance then to go to the pro bowl then.

m5kwatts
12-29-2009, 07:04 PM
I think its stupid too but the Pro Bowl was dying in Hawaii... ticket sales were so bad last year it was almost blacked out if I remember... the thinking here is to take all the celebrities and fan fare that'll already be there for the Super Bowl and have it rub off on their dying event the Pro Bowl.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 07:04 PM
Schedule for Pro Bowl is so screwed.

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:04 PM
Your brain's smarter than your hope.

Well, there's a first for everything. LOL

brakos82
12-29-2009, 07:04 PM
Andre, Mario, Cushing, Ryans.

valleytexfan
12-29-2009, 07:05 PM
Wow! 4 Texans! AJ, Mario, Cush and Demeco. Congrats!! :texflag:

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8155c2fa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:07 PM
Three players on our defense pro bowlers. That's awsome!

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 07:07 PM
Cushing made it! Great news! Too bad for Schaub.

TheRealJoker
12-29-2009, 07:08 PM
Schaub and Pollard are probably alternates.

mariowillshine15
12-29-2009, 07:08 PM
So glad for our guys especially Cushing getting in his first season. Way to go guys!

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:09 PM
So glad for our guys especially Cushing getting in his first season. Way to go guys!

Cushing. Is. A. Beast.

mariowillshine15
12-29-2009, 07:10 PM
Cushing. Is. A. Beast.

True that.

TexansFanatic
12-29-2009, 07:12 PM
A rookie Pro Bowler. That's quite a feat. Let's hope this is the first of a dozen or so for Cush.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 07:13 PM
Now, we need DROY for Cush!

TexansBlood
12-29-2009, 07:15 PM
Representing!!!

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:21 PM
Now, we need DROY for Cush!

Maybe even the top prize of Rookie of the Year.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 07:22 PM
Maybe even the top prize of Rookie of the Year.

That would be sweet!

Maddict5
12-29-2009, 07:24 PM
from HT.com


Texans quarterback Matt Schaub, fullback Vonta Leach, and kick returner Jacoby Jones were all named as alternates for the AFC squad.

MojoMan
12-29-2009, 07:24 PM
This is a great idea having the Pro Bowl the week before the Super Bowl. As soon as the Super Bowl ends, everyone is done with football for the year. Even the players are inconvenienced by the old schedule. This new schedule will be a big hit, and it will allow the league to invite a few extra players to substitute for the Super Bowl players who will be held out. A Super Bowl appearance is enough of any of these players, for sure.

Smart move by the NFL.

Leahmic223
12-29-2009, 07:25 PM
No Bengals, this should piss them off and pound the Jets or something lol.

Also Mario going for his previous year, definitely not this one.

Thorn
12-29-2009, 07:35 PM
This is a great idea having the Pro Bowl the week before the Super Bowl. As soon as the Super Bowl ends, everyone is done with football for the year. Even the players are inconvenienced by the old schedule. This new schedule will be a big hit, and it will allow the league to invite a few extra players to substitute for the Super Bowl players who will be held out. A Super Bowl appearance is enough of any of these players, for sure.

Smart move by the NFL.

A different way to think of this. Not bad Mojo. :)

devo-x
12-29-2009, 07:47 PM
Texans quarterback Matt Schaub, fullback Vonta Leach, and kick returner Jacoby Jones were all named as alternates for the AFC squad.

imatexan
12-29-2009, 07:49 PM
:kingkong::kingkong::kingkong:

TheRealJoker
12-29-2009, 07:50 PM
Pollard got snubbed imo. He should've at least been an alternate, especially in a year where Polamalu and Sanders played so little.

edo783
12-29-2009, 07:50 PM
Texans quarterback Matt Schaub, fullback Vonta Leach, and kick returner Jacoby Jones were all named as alternates for the AFC squad.

Good, they will all very likely get to go then, given that the guys playing in the Super Bowl will be pulled from the Pro Bowl.

dtran04
12-29-2009, 07:51 PM
No Bengals, this should piss them off and pound the Jets or something lol.

Also Mario going for his previous year, definitely not this one.

Out of AFC DEs, Mario is actually 4th in sacks. Schobel is the guy that is ahead of Mario in the sack department and didn't get a nod.

All of the major sack numbers are either OLBs or in the NFC. Judging from the list, Mario should be a pro bowler for a long time simply based on his lack of competition.

JB
12-29-2009, 08:03 PM
Good, they will all very likely get to go then, given that the guys playing in the Super Bowl will be pulled from the Pro Bowl.

I do not think that Baltimore will be going so that leaves Leach out and
Cleveland is certainly not which leaves Jones out. But Schaub will be going for sure

sportfan73
12-29-2009, 08:11 PM
No Bengals, this should piss them off and pound the Jets or something lol.

Also Mario going for his previous year, definitely not this one.

he is 4th in sacks for AFC Defensive Ends, so it's not an outrageous snub to anyone else.

Nawzer
12-29-2009, 08:15 PM
Congrats! Excited for Cushing.

mexican_texan
12-29-2009, 08:15 PM
I'm so proud of Cushing. I'm gonna go eat a couple servings of crow for saying I didn't like the pick.

hot pickle
12-29-2009, 08:16 PM
me and my buddies are flying down to miami that week so we got tickets for the pro bowl.. so im petty excited to maybe meet some of the players... schaub should be in it though.. he might still get a crack at it hopefully

Ndevine7
12-29-2009, 08:18 PM
i was surprised that neither brown made it. Kris and Chris both had terrific seasons.

Wolf
12-29-2009, 08:18 PM
what is kinda weird , I guess you can say is that with super bowl team players not going, they don't get that bargaining chip when contract comes around, meanwhile some players that get bumped up, will get that bargaining chip when contract time comes around ..

even thought we all know most of it is a popularity contest

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 08:18 PM
I'm so proud of Cushing. I'm gonna go eat a couple servings of crow for saying I didn't like the pick.

Make it three digits. Just kidding:lol:

Thorn
12-29-2009, 08:20 PM
I'm so proud of Cushing. I'm gonna go eat a couple servings of crow for saying I didn't like the pick.

Use some Sriracha Hot Chili Sauce with that crow, it helps. Believe me, because I'm still cooking crow for wanting Shit Head (Vince Young) over Mario. LOL

hot pickle
12-29-2009, 08:23 PM
what is kinda weird , I guess you can say is that with super bowl team players not going, they don't get that bargaining chip when contract comes around, meanwhile some players that get bumped up, will get that bargaining chip when contract time comes around ..

even thought we all know most of it is a popularity contest

they said on nfl network that if a player cant play because of the super bowl they will still get credit for being a pro-bowler

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 08:23 PM
Use some Sriracha Hot Chili Sauce with that crow, it helps. Believe me, because I'm still cooking crow for wanting Shit Head (Vince Young) over Mario. LOL

For you Thorn, make it four digits! :chef: Boy, I'm so happy for Cushing.:breakdance::breakdance:

edo783
12-29-2009, 08:31 PM
I do not think that Baltimore will be going so that leaves Leach out and
Cleveland is certainly not which leaves Jones out. But Schaub will be going for sure

You are correct SIR. I forgot that the team going to the SB had to have one of those positions picked on it to make it happen. Glad Matt will get to go. The others might still, if an injury or two happens in the last week. Wouldn't want that, but it happens, plus some of the guys just don't want to go and that may open a spot or two.

Thorn
12-29-2009, 08:33 PM
For you Thorn, make it four digits! :chef: Boy, I'm so happy for Cushing.:breakdance::breakdance:

Cushing rocks.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 08:38 PM
Cushing rocks.

I agree 1000%(100% is not enough 100% x 10)!

brakos82
12-29-2009, 08:41 PM
I agree 1000%(100% is not enough 100% x 10)!

Oh yeah? Well I agree 2000%! :evil:

Maddict5
12-29-2009, 08:43 PM
Pollard got snubbed imo. He should've at least been an alternate, especially in a year where Polamalu and Sanders played so little.

hes played well but you have to realise that you have to reach a will demps level of play to make the probowl as a texans safety :headhurts:

brakos82
12-29-2009, 08:44 PM
hes played well but you have to realise that you have to reach a will demps level of play to make the probowl as a texans safety :headhurts:
But Pollard doesn't go for style points.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Oh yeah? Well I agree 2000%! :evil:

Ohhhhh no! Here he comes. Alright, we settle for 3000% how about that! This started to sounds like auction. Now, who is betting for more? LOL

Thorn
12-29-2009, 08:46 PM
Ohhhhh no! Here he comes. Alright, we settle for 3000% how about that! This started to sounds like auction. Now, who is betting for more? LOL

I'm just damn glad we drafted him and not someone else.

Maddict5
12-29-2009, 08:48 PM
But Pollard doesn't go for style points.

if pollard had his own fashion website he wouldve made it no doubt. he can only blame himself really :)

Hervoyel
12-29-2009, 08:51 PM
I think Schaub makes it over Rivers if we win two of the games we played in that streak of losses in our division. He'll probably go as an alternate because either Manning or Brady will be playing in the Super Bowl.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 08:52 PM
I'm just damn glad we drafted him and not someone else.

Me too Thorn. Think about it with 15th pick not even top 10 pick and happen to draft the best one from that draft.

Brando
12-29-2009, 08:54 PM
I'm glad Cushing made it but I don't want him to play. He needs to heal up for next year!:fans:

Wolf
12-29-2009, 08:57 PM
if pollard had his own fashion website he wouldve made it no doubt. he can only blame himself really :)

others did it for him
http://www.mahalo.com/bernard-pollard-fan-club

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 09:00 PM
I'm glad Cushing made it but I don't want him to play. He needs to heal up for next year!:fans:

Yeah I do understand how you feel about him. However, the way Cushing has been playing this season with injury and all(even if his arm or leg is broken), he wouldn't miss an opportunity to play in Probowl.

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:05 PM
OK, so we're gonna sneak into the playoffs after our winning against the poor Pats that are about to get hit by a freight-train. Then, we pull a Giants post-season and just keep upsetting teams until we find ourselves preparing for the Superbowl. But, wait! 5 of our best players are in the Pro Bowl. 2 of them get injured and the other 3 are banged up....so we stink in the Superbowl and are routed by...............................the freaking Cowboys. :brickwall:

Why do they even have the Pro Bowl anymore? Nobody watches it...

I have been an NFL fan my whole life and haven't watched the Pro Bowl in like 20 years.

Kaiser Toro
12-29-2009, 09:16 PM
Why do they even have the Pro Bowl anymore? Nobody watches it...

I have been an NFL fan my whole life and haven't watched the Pro Bowl in like 20 years.

It is a total waste of time, even when I was a teenager. I was always in to who made the All-Pro team, not the Pro Bowl.

SoCalTexanFan
12-29-2009, 09:19 PM
i was surprised that neither brown made it. Kris and Chris both had terrific seasons.

That would be the Toilet Bowl. Both played like S*$T.

brakos82
12-29-2009, 09:20 PM
Ohhhhh no! Here he comes. Alright, we settle for 3000% how about that! This started to sounds like auction. Now, who is betting for more? LOL

3100%. And do we have 32... 32 32 32 32 32 32... thrity-friggin'-two. 32 to the lady in the back.

Ndevine7
12-29-2009, 09:21 PM
That would be the Toilet Bowl. Both played like S*$T.

obviously i was joking

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:22 PM
3100%. And do we have 32... 32 32 32 32 32 32... thrity-friggin'-two. 32 to the lady in the back.

3132% :shades:

brakos82
12-29-2009, 09:24 PM
3132% :shades:
Well we found our lady in the back. LOL

SoCalTexanFan
12-29-2009, 09:25 PM
obviously i was joking

I know you were joking. But, I'm not. They both made the Texan fans sick and probably sent quite a few to the toilet. They deserve to be sent to the Toilet Bowl...LOL

Ndevine7
12-29-2009, 09:26 PM
I know you were joking. But, I'm not. They both made the Texan fans sick and probably sent quite a few to the toilet. They deserve to be sent to the Toilet Bowl...LOL

i have always been a fan of kris brown but what he did this year has been terrible and he has possibly cost us a chance for our first playoff. As for chris brown he is just terrible

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 09:27 PM
Well we found our lady in the back. LOL

We got to check our wallets one again to make sure we won't lose to a lady in the back. I can afford just a little more. 3133%. Please don't raise your hand lady.

ObsiWan
12-29-2009, 09:28 PM
i was surprised that neither brown made it. Kris and Chris both had terrific seasons.

yeah, yeah...

And what about our All-Turd... errrr all-world
really, I meant All-World CB, Dunta Robinson??

I mean he was a franchise player... those guys always are pro bowl caliber, right?

This must be some mistake. It's an outrage I tell you. An OUTRAGE!

Okay, they're punishing him for that shoe episode, right? So he's an alternate right?
...right?

:D

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:31 PM
Well we found our lady in the back. LOL

If I were female, I still wouldn't be a lady. :shades:

3135% :pop:

ObsiWan
12-29-2009, 09:32 PM
OK, so we're gonna sneak into the playoffs after our winning against the poor Pats that are about to get hit by a freight-train. Then, we pull a Giants post-season and just keep upsetting teams until we find ourselves preparing for the Superbowl. But, wait! 5 of our best players are in the Pro Bowl. 2 of them get injured and the other 3 are banged up....so we stink in the Superbowl and are routed by...............................the freaking Cowboys. :brickwall:

Why do they even have the Pro Bowl anymore? Nobody watches it...

I have been an NFL fan my whole life and haven't watched the Pro Bowl in like 20 years.

There was a time when it was a decent game. Probably 20 yrs ago. Now it's worse than the NBA All-Star game.

brakos82
12-29-2009, 09:32 PM
*thwack*

Do we have 3134? 3134 anyone? 3133 looking for 3134.... 3134... come on ya pansies! 3134!

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:33 PM
Rick Smith needs to get a T-shirt and wear it to the game Sunday saying, "Just play, Dunta!" :slapfight:

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:34 PM
*thwack*

Do we have 3134? 3134 anyone? 3133 looking for 3134.... 3134... come on ya pansies! 3134!

I said 3135. You couldn't hear it for the lady moaning.

brakos82
12-29-2009, 09:34 PM
I said 3135. You couldn't hear it for the lady moaning.

Fine. 3136 anyone? 3136... If you don't take 3136 I'll kill PapaL. 3136...

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 09:38 PM
If I were female, I still wouldn't be a lady. :shades:

3135% :pop:

Is that something start with B?:pursefight::scarygirl:
All kidding aside, seems like all of us share same feeling about Cushing!:dancer:

Kaiser Toro
12-29-2009, 09:38 PM
Fine. 3136 anyone? 3136... If you don't take 3136 I'll kill PapaL. 3136...

Do you take PayPal?

SAMURAITEXAN
12-29-2009, 09:39 PM
do you take paypal?

lol

Thorn
12-29-2009, 09:41 PM
assholes. LOL

Texans rocks.

thunderkyss
12-29-2009, 09:43 PM
Andre, Mario, Cushing, Ryans.

Last year, it was Owen Daniels, AJ, Mario & Demeco right?

Ndevine7
12-29-2009, 09:43 PM
OD and AJ got the start

brakos82
12-29-2009, 09:44 PM
Last year, it was Owen Daniels, AJ, Mario & Demeco right?

Meco was in 07.

3136? Anyone? *lifts hammer* Going once?

infantrycak
12-29-2009, 09:55 PM
what is kinda weird , I guess you can say is that with super bowl team players not going, they don't get that bargaining chip when contract comes around, meanwhile some players that get bumped up, will get that bargaining chip when contract time comes around ..

even thought we all know most of it is a popularity contest

They have always been credited with a pro-bowl if selected and they decline. Look at 2006 - Manning was 1st team pro-bowl and didn't play but still gets credit as does VY who came in as an alternate.

TexCanada
12-29-2009, 09:58 PM
Its nice to see us get a little recognition. Great job guys! Now we need to go out and win a game on Sunday.

PapaL
12-29-2009, 10:00 PM
Fine. 3136 anyone? 3136... If you don't take 3136 I'll kill PapaL. 3136...


+1 :wild:

PapaL
12-29-2009, 10:03 PM
Hey Rick...Pay #59!

brakos82
12-29-2009, 10:03 PM
Going twice?

Cjeremy635
12-29-2009, 10:30 PM
I saw this on the 6 o'clock news and was thrilled when they announced that we had 4 players going. I was pretty shocked when they said Cushing, just because he's a rookie and they tend to get snubbed quite a bit. Having said that, he definately deserves to go and he's played his heart out for us this year. I'm really excited to have him on this team and hope he likes being here as much as we enjoy having him play for us. The Ryans and AJ picks were a no brainer...the guys are just solid and they rock. I was shocked with the Mario pick. If I'm being honest, I don't think he was playing at a pro bowl level this year. I think he's been pretty absent in some "big plays" when we really needed him to show up. However, I'm not disregarding the impact that he has with our D or what he brings in run support. I just don't think he played at his best this year and he even admitted it in an interview on ABC 13 a couple of weeks ago. IIRC, he was asked about the speech Kubiak gave and then was asked what was told directly to him. He went on to say that Coach pulled him to the side and was pretty honest about his play. Mario even said that he needed to play harder and give a better effort. That kind of pissed me off because he's got a few million reasons why he should be playing his ass off every play. I mean I appreciate the honesty and all, but come on man....you're a #1 pick who is supposed to be our premier pass rusher and the prominant figure on our defensive line.

texansdrummer
12-29-2009, 10:39 PM
Awesome news....congrats to our new PB-ers. For Cushing to make it as a rookie is simply amazing. I could not be more pleased with his effort and production.....and I can't wait to see him become the leader of our defense (inevitable).

Big Lou
12-29-2009, 10:59 PM
So let me get this straight....

Shaub leads the league in total yards.

Had a higher passer rating that Rivers, and Brady.

Had a higher completion percentage than Rivers, and Brady.

But doesn't make the Pro Bowl, WTF.


Besides all that he has rushed for 56 yards this season, that should be reason enough!!!!! Come on man!!!!



Except for the fact that Schaub derserves the nod I almost prefer it this way. Screw'em, come on Shaub go throw for 300+ a game and get us in the playoffs to give the voters the middle finger by kicken some ass!!!!!




At least Cushing the Cushlash Juggernaut got in. Way to go 56!!!!!!!!!!!

Lucky
12-29-2009, 11:57 PM
It is a total waste of time, even when I was a teenager. I was always in to who made the All-Pro team, not the Pro Bowl.
True. But, I'll be sporting a Cushing Pro Bowl jersey on 2010 opening day.

Mario had a down year. But, it wasn't a great year for AFC DEs.

AJ is a perennial. Ditto DeMeco. Schaub will find his way into the game.

4 Pro Bowlers. And 3 alternates. Not bad for team without a lot of talent.

TexCanada
12-30-2009, 12:03 AM
So let me get this straight....

Shaub leads the league in total yards.

Had a higher passer rating that Rivers, and Brady.

Had a higher completion percentage than Rivers, and Brady.

But doesn't make the Pro Bowl, WTF.



The difference is that Schaub is likely not going to make playoffs, while Brady and Rivers will.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-30-2009, 12:16 AM
3138!:firework:

brakos82
12-30-2009, 12:19 AM
Damn... I was really hoping to kill him.

3139 anyone? Cripes...

SAMURAITEXAN
12-30-2009, 12:21 AM
Damn... I was really hoping to kill him.

3139 anyone? Cripes...

Damn! You still up! It's only 2PM here.

brakos82
12-30-2009, 12:32 AM
Damn! You still up! It's only 2PM here.

late? It's barely after midnight. :chickendance:

RagingBull
12-30-2009, 12:48 AM
Indianapolis Colts 6
Baltimore Ravens 5
Denver Broncos 5
San Diego Chargers 5
Houston Texans 4
New England Patriots 4
New York Jets 3
Cleveland Browns 2
Oakland Raiders 2
Pittsburgh Steelers 2
Buffalo Bills 1
Jacksonville Jaguars 1
Miami Dolphins 1
Tennessee Titans 1
Cincinnati Bengals 0
Kansas City Chiefs 0



Minnesota Vikings 8
Dallas Cowboys 6
Philadelphia Eagles 6
New Orleans Saints 5
Arizona Cardinals 4
Green Bay Packers 3
San Francisco 49ers 3
Carolina Panthers 2
Chicago Bears 1
New York Giants 1
St. Louis Rams 1
Washington Redskins 1
Atlanta Falcons 0
Detroit Lions 0
Seattle Seahawks 0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0

I think it is interesting to note that we have the 5th highest in the AFC and 9th highest in the NFL.

I guess this means that we are either underperforming, have bad coaching, or have too many of the other players that are in the "toilet bowl", e.g. the Brown bros, the secondary, OL, and DT's.

beerlover
12-30-2009, 12:51 AM
I think it is interesting to note that we have the 5th highest in the AFC and 9th highest in the NFL.

I guess this means that we are either underperforming, have bad coaching, or have too many of the other players that are in the "toilet bowl", e.g. the Brown bros, the secondary, OL, and DT's.

It means the Texans are getting closer to being a playoff team. Now lets take care of a playoff team this Sunday & see what happens :barman:

Goatcheese
12-30-2009, 01:00 AM
Where the Texans are strong, they're very strong.
Where the Texans are weak, they're very weak.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-30-2009, 01:14 AM
We will get there folks. We are so close. I can smell it.

Go Texans!!!

brakos82
12-30-2009, 01:26 AM
Where the Texans are strong, they're very strong.
Where the Texans are weak, they're very weak.

Sounds like me at poker.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-30-2009, 01:28 AM
Sounds like me at poker.

I can smell it ε=_/\○_  ←Brakos! is that you?

brakos82
12-30-2009, 01:40 AM
I can smell it ε=_/\○_  ←Brakos! is that you?

Nope. That'd be the devil guy. Look under "PapaL".

barrett
12-30-2009, 03:29 AM
I kind of like the snub for Schaub because it can serve as motivation to succeed next year.

I agree with Kaiser that the "All Pro" tag is way more impressive than anything that the stupid fans vote for but I'm still happy for the players none the less.

Go Texans!!!

Mike Kerns
12-30-2009, 04:34 AM
Schaub as a SECOND alternate is downright insulting.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6791293.html

Behind Roethlisberger (presumably)? Wow...

So, leading the entire NFL in Passing Yards only makes you the 5th best QB in the AFC? What a joke...

Goatcheese
12-30-2009, 05:04 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6791293.html


I don't get why the media keeps saying Williams got in on name recognition.

Among AFC 4-3 DEs he's:

3rd in QB pressures
4th in Sacks
1st in stops
2nd in solo tackles

What about that is not deserving of a Pro Bowl trip?

barrett
12-30-2009, 05:30 AM
A bit of press on your pro bowl WR:

http://www.cbssports.com/cbssports/story/12720230/is-texans-johnson-the-best-receiver-question-is-catching-on

SAMURAITEXAN
12-30-2009, 06:07 AM
A bit of press on your pro bowl WR:

http://www.cbssports.com/cbssports/story/12720230/is-texans-johnson-the-best-receiver-question-is-catching-on

Nice and yes Andre's the whole package. Thank you barett. Nice to see Charlie Anderson's name.

Livid13
12-30-2009, 06:16 AM
So let me get this straight....

Shaub leads the league in total yards.

Had a higher passer rating that Rivers, and Brady.

Had a higher completion percentage than Rivers, and Brady.

But doesn't make the Pro Bowl, WTF.


Besides all that he has rushed for 56 yards this season, that should be reason enough!!!!! Come on man!!!!



Except for the fact that Schaub derserves the nod I almost prefer it this way. Screw'em, come on Shaub go throw for 300+ a game and get us in the playoffs to give the voters the middle finger by kicken some ass!!!!!




At least Cushing the Cushlash Juggernaut got in. Way to go 56!!!!!!!!!!!

FINALLY, someone mentions Schaub. He didn't make it for two reasons, imo. First, he's playing for a franchise that isn't exactly at the top of public awareness and interest. Secondly, you have the marquee QB's like Brady, who garnished a trip, due to his "comeback". I understand the Rivers choice, but BRADY. I hope we kick their asses....

Goatcheese
12-30-2009, 06:32 AM
A bit of press on your pro bowl WR:

http://www.cbssports.com/cbssports/story/12720230/is-texans-johnson-the-best-receiver-question-is-catching-on

Iron Maiden needs to rework their song lyrics. 80 is the number of the beast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fia4ZAuWUA8

TigerWoods..Not
12-30-2009, 10:19 AM
With the Pro Bowl being the week before the Superbowl this year, none of the players who make it that far will be playing in it. So if the Colts make it, all of those players are going to be replaced.

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2009, 10:20 AM
I kind of like the snub for Schaub because it can serve as motivation to succeed next year.

I agree with Kaiser that the "All Pro" tag is way more impressive than anything that the stupid fans vote for but I'm still happy for the players none the less.

Go Texans!!!

It hopefully will give him some extra motivation, and the O-line, against the Patriots/Brady.

False Start
12-30-2009, 10:31 AM
A bit of press on your pro bowl WR:

http://www.cbssports.com/cbssports/story/12720230/is-texans-johnson-the-best-receiver-question-is-catching-on

Nice link. AJ getting some love on the poll too, at 84%. :cool: :bravo:

disaacks3
12-30-2009, 12:12 PM
they said on nfl network that if a player cant play because of the super bowl they will still get credit for being a pro-bowler This is more for contractual purposes than anything else. Lotsa $ involved on many contracts for stuff like this.

True. But, I'll be sporting a Cushing Pro Bowl jersey on 2010 opening day.

Mario had a down year. But, it wasn't a great year for AFC DEs.

AJ is a perennial. Ditto DeMeco. Schaub will find his way into the game.

4 Pro Bowlers. And 3 alternates. Not bad for team without a lot of talent. Yep, and we have only an outside shot at even making the playoffs. Nope, no sir, CAN'T be a coaching issue with all this talent. :sarcasm:

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 12:21 PM
Yep, and we have only an outside shot at even making the playoffs. Nope, no sir, CAN'T be a coaching issue with all this talent. :sarcasm:

That's fair, but so is observing the failure of talent in key places like 10 fumbles or Kris Brown or our CB's not being able to buy an INT or OD going down. Our CB's have 2 INT's as a unit. Our rookie LB has twice that and our street FA not that good in coverage safety has 3. People keep acting like this is a binary problem when the answer is both sides coaching and players let this team down this year.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 12:24 PM
That's fair, but so is observing the failure of talent in key places like 10 fumbles or Kris Brown or our CB's not being able to buy an INT. Our CB's have 2 INT's as a unit. Our rookie LB has twice that and our street FA not that good in coverage safety has 3. People keep acting like this is a binary problem when the answer is both sides coaching and players let this team down this year.

2 interceptions?? Really??? At least we're not paying one of those guys ~ $10 mill a year... :user: Oh wait.

Seriously, 2 picks. That's pathetic.

See my sig, quoted from DB.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 12:26 PM
2 interceptions?? Really??? At least we're not paying one of those guys ~ $10 mill a year... :user: Oh wait.

Seriously, 2 picks. That's pathetic.

See my sig, quoted from DB.

Yup - one by Reeves and one by McCain. Three or four dropped by franchise boy. When was the last time you saw a Texans CB try to jump a route?

Heck Wilson only played in 8 games and tied our CBs.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2009, 12:31 PM
Yup - one by Reeves and one by McCain. Three or four dropped by franchise boy. When was the last time you saw a Texans CB try to jump a route?

Heck Wilson only played in 8 games and tied our CBs.

That's just plain sorry!!

Aaron Glenn. :cool:

utahmark
12-30-2009, 12:34 PM
Yup - one by Reeves and one by McCain. Three or four dropped by franchise boy. When was the last time you saw a Texans CB try to jump a route?

Heck Wilson only played in 8 games and tied our CBs.

daunta likes to keep all the routes about 5 yards in front of him. except for the deep balls which are usually about 5 yards behind him.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 12:40 PM
Let me amend that 10 fumbles to 15 fumbles to include 5 off receptions with only 1 of those being by a non-RB. 14 friggin' fumbles by RBs. Last year our RBs had 4.

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2009, 01:06 PM
Let me amend that 10 fumbles to 15 fumbles to include 5 off receptions with only 1 of those being by a non-RB. 14 friggin' fumbles by RBs. Last year our RBs had 4.

It has been a problem, and feel that Kubiak's fumble policy does not help anyone's confidence and fosters incremental problems. Certainly it is not the only reason, but it has not helped the psyche of this offense IMO.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 01:12 PM
It has been a problem, and feel that Kubiak's fumble policy does not help anyone's confidence and fosters incremental problems. Certainly it is not the only reason, but it has not helped the psyche of this offense IMO.

Maybe. I find these kinds of judgments follow the record. Win two more games and have a play-off spot locked up and probably most people are lauding Kubiak for being tough on the fumblers. Sit where we are and it is bad coaching.

DexmanC
12-30-2009, 01:49 PM
Maybe. I find these kinds of judgments follow the record. Win two more games and have a play-off spot locked up and probably most people are lauding Kubiak for being tough on the fumblers. Sit where we are and it is bad coaching.

The one game against a good team we won, Cinci, featured Slaton who fumbled
about 3 times that game. Kubiak tried to bench him, but we couldn't score.
He put Slaton back out there, and Steve scored the gamewinning TD. Since
that game, Kubiak did not take into account whether the RB was having a
good game in spite of the fumbles. He sat him anyway. Adrian Peterson
fumbles a TON, but the Vikings know they need him out there to win.

Arian Foster was averaging 8 yards-per-play, but he fumbled. After he was
yanked, we had to hold on for dear life. Hell, even AJ fumbled at the 5 yardline
last year. Would HE have been yanked? Since it happened last
year, NO he wasn't yanked. We had Cedric Benson in our offices, and we
had to tell him Wali Lundy, Ahman Green, Chris Brown, and Chris Taylor are
better RB's than him. The Jets lost Kris Jenkins, but still found a way to
be one of the top 5 defenses in the NFL. Since Kubiak got here, we've
ALWAYS had a RB-by-committee with scrub backs. Steve Slaton has
been their ONLY hit, and they turn away a free agent who still had tons
of miles left in him, only because they didn't want to hurt the feelings of
Slaton.

Nice job, coach.

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Maybe. I find these kinds of judgments follow the record. Win two more games and have a play-off spot locked up and probably most people are lauding Kubiak for being tough on the fumblers. Sit where we are and it is bad coaching.

Sure, I have no doubt results-oriented narratives would take form. The way he has managed the running game this year, with the kids, has made me ill, virtually speaking.

TEXANS84
12-30-2009, 02:01 PM
Yup - one by Reeves and one by McCain. Three or four dropped by franchise boy. When was the last time you saw a Texans CB try to jump a route?

Heck Wilson only played in 8 games and tied our CBs.

I have a belief that some of that is related to Gibbs (younger) implimenting the new "side shuffle" instead of squaring off with the wide reciever.

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 02:09 PM
The one game against a good team we won, Cinci, featured Slaton who fumbled
about 3 times that game. Kubiak tried to bench him, but we couldn't score.
He put Slaton back out there, and Steve scored the gamewinning TD. Since
that game, Kubiak did not take into account whether the RB was having a
good game in spite of the fumbles. He sat him anyway. Adrian Peterson
fumbles a TON, but the Vikings know they need him out there to win.

Arian Foster was averaging 8 yards-per-play, but he fumbled. After he was
yanked, we had to hold on for dear life. Hell, even AJ fumbled at the 5 yardline
last year. Would HE have been yanked? Since it happened last
year, NO he wasn't yanked. We had Cedric Benson in our offices, and we
had to tell him Wali Lundy, Ahman Green, Chris Brown, and Chris Taylor are
better RB's than him. The Jets lost Kris Jenkins, but still found a way to
be one of the top 5 defenses in the NFL. Since Kubiak got here, we've
ALWAYS had a RB-by-committee with scrub backs. Steve Slaton has
been their ONLY hit, and they turn away a free agent who still had tons
of miles left in him, only because they didn't want to hurt the feelings of
Slaton.

Nice job, coach.

And Monday night his fumble cost them the game and possibly home field advantage during the playoffs.

This is why an otherwise productive RB who fumbles is a no-win for a coach. You want his production on the field, but do you "reward" his fumbling??? Do you send a msg to the other guys on offense that he can fumble at will with no repercussions?
"Well hell, if he can fumble and get away with it, I can drop passes."
"Yeah, and I can miss blocks." Coach won't do anything.
In this situ the HC is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't IMO. The fans are gonna ***** in either case.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 02:15 PM
The one game against a good team we won, Cinci, featured Slaton who fumbled
about 3 times that game. Kubiak tried to bench him, but we couldn't score.
He put Slaton back out there, and Steve scored the gamewinning TD.

Are we just making up stories to fit agendas now? Slaton had one fumble in Cincy while running for 2.3 ypc and zero rushing TD's. He did have a receiving TD. The receiving TD was in the 2nd quarter with Schaub throwing subsequent TDs to JJ and OD. Slaton's fumble wasn't until after 28 points were on the board.

We had Cedric Benson in our offices

And he took a better offer. Would have been nice to get him as it turns out but this hindsight stuff is crud. We could have had Thomas Jones a few years ago and just like then nobody knew the 1st round bust was going to turn his career around.

I have a belief that some of that is related to Gibbs (younger) implimenting the new "side shuffle" instead of squaring off with the wide reciever.

Could be. Seems like either way you could press the ball at times and often this is irrelevant as the DB has already passed the turn and run point.

PS - Peterson has 6 fumbles on 305 carries at 4.4 ypc. Slaton had 5 fumbles on 131 carries at 3.3 ypc. You do the math because their situations aren't similar.

thunderkyss
12-30-2009, 02:48 PM
The one game against a good team we won, Cinci, featured Slaton who fumbled
about 3 times that game. Kubiak tried to bench him, but we couldn't score.
He put Slaton back out there, and Steve scored the gamewinning TD. Since
that game, Kubiak did not take into account whether the RB was having a
good game in spite of the fumbles.

Nice job, coach.

This whole post, was a good argument. I'll give you Kudos on this one.

Forget what I just said.... I didn't bother to fact check.


originally posted by cak
Are we just making up stories to fit agendas now? Slaton had one fumble in Cincy while running for 2.3 ypc and zero rushing TD's. He did have a receiving TD. The receiving TD was in the 2nd quarter with Schaub throwing subsequent TDs to JJ and OD. Slaton's fumble wasn't until after 28 points were on the board.

kiwitexansfan
12-30-2009, 02:57 PM
How did leach become an alternate. In my mind a FB's first job is in the running game and how can you be a pro bowl FB on a team that can't run the ball.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2009, 03:08 PM
How did leach become an alternate. In my mind a FB's first job is in the running game and how can you be a pro bowl FB on a team that can't run the ball.

1) I think most of the players and coaches know what Leach brings every game day. Leach = Not our problem, Oline = Problem, RB's = Problem

2) Probably the most likely of the two. Teams don't utilize the FB position like they used to, thus making it slim pickings for Pro Bowl selections.

TheRealJoker
12-30-2009, 03:36 PM
Seems like DeMeco might've gotten in over a more deserving David Harris as well...

David Harris for the Jets had a monster year on a defense that dominated. He had 17 tackles, 4.5 more sacks, 5 more pass defended, 2 more ints, 2 more forced fumbles than Ryans.

ObsiWan
12-30-2009, 03:45 PM
How did leach become an alternate. In my mind a FB's first job is in the running game and how can you be a pro bowl FB on a team that can't run the ball.

another make-up invite for last year maybe...
:fans:

Mr teX
12-30-2009, 03:56 PM
daunta likes to keep all the routes about 5 yards in front of him. except for the deep balls which are usually about 5 yards behind him.

Our defense is a "bend but don't break" and all of our Db's play that way not just Dunta. This explains why we only have 2 int's between all of our cb's.

that's how bush has them playing, except on the rare occasions we play man coverage.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 04:14 PM
Seems like DeMeco might've gotten in over a more deserving David Harris as well...

David Harris for the Jets had a monster year on a defense that dominated. He had 17 tackles, 4.5 more sacks, 5 more pass defended, 2 more ints, 2 more forced fumbles than Ryans.

NFL.com has it as 1 more pass defensed and 1 more forced fumble. In any event Pro Bowl selection tends to favor 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 ILBs.

Ndevine7
12-30-2009, 04:31 PM
harris did have a huge season and i think both are more then deserving to be in the pro bowl but i wouldnt say harris got snubbed cause ryans is also having a terrific season

Lucky
12-30-2009, 07:44 PM
Yup - one by Reeves and one by McCain. Three or four dropped by franchise boy. When was the last time you saw a Texans CB try to jump a route?

Heck Wilson only played in 8 games and tied our CBs.
All true. But I do believe the corners, and the secondary in general, played better this season than any product Jon Hoke put out since 2002.

I have a belief that some of that is related to Gibbs (younger) implimenting the new "side shuffle" instead of squaring off with the wide reciever.
I wasn't sold on Gibbs' techniques at first, but I have to admit the Texans secondary has improved under his tutelage.

infantrycak
12-30-2009, 08:54 PM
All true. But I do believe the corners, and the secondary in general, played better this season than any product Jon Hoke put out since 2002.

I agree overall, but that is kind of like limboing under the St. Louis Arch.

Big Lou
12-30-2009, 10:43 PM
Schaub as a SECOND alternate is downright insulting.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6791293.html

Behind Roethlisberger (presumably)? Wow...

So, leading the entire NFL in Passing Yards only makes you the 5th best QB in the AFC? What a joke...

You said exactly what I was thinking!!!

First Manning deserves the first spot. So does he get second, no, OK he's kinda new to the seen, so does he get 3rd, no, OK maybe next year. No wait he get's second alternate, what!!!!! As Frak said the leading passer in the NFL is the fifth best QB in the AFC, WTF. If I were Shaub I would say why bother with "Second Alternate.

I hope he takes it as an insult and throw for like 400 yards on Sunday to give a big FU to the Probowl.

DexmanC
01-01-2010, 06:29 PM
Are we just making up stories to fit agendas now? Slaton had one fumble in Cincy while running for 2.3 ypc and zero rushing TD's. He did have a receiving TD. The receiving TD was in the 2nd quarter with Schaub throwing subsequent TDs to JJ and OD. Slaton's fumble wasn't until after 28 points were on the board.



And he took a better offer. Would have been nice to get him as it turns out but this hindsight stuff is crud. We could have had Thomas Jones a few years ago and just like then nobody knew the 1st round bust was going to turn his career around.



Could be. Seems like either way you could press the ball at times and often this is irrelevant as the DB has already passed the turn and run point.

PS - Peterson has 6 fumbles on 305 carries at 4.4 ypc. Slaton had 5 fumbles on 131 carries at 3.3 ypc. You do the math because their situations aren't similar.

I got the game recorded, and have seen it several times. Steve fumbled
THREE TIMES, that game and LOST ONE. Duane Brown jumped on the
OTHER TWO. I know what I said, and my point stands as stated.