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nut
12-27-2009, 07:25 PM
What kind of a scam was that? That jackash singlehandedly gave the keys to the NFL playoffmobile to Coach Crybaby. He probably got paid under the table. The Colts players and fans were not happy campers with a shot at an undefeated season. Shula and those Dolphin guys are popping corks tonite.

euro-Texan
12-27-2009, 07:34 PM
What kind of a scam was that? That jackash singlehandedly gave the keys to the NFL playoffmobile to Coach Crybaby. He probably got paid under the table. The Colts players and fans were not happy campers with a shot at an undefeated season. Shula and those Dolphin guys are popping corks tonite.

Well I guess all we can do is hope these things backfire and coaches realize that playing 16 full games better prepares thrier team for the playoffs. I hope New England gives us all they have Sunday. Then when we beat them, and we will, we can hang our heads high. Unless of course we only play 2 quarters and just win by 7. In that case we just suck.

Wolf
12-27-2009, 07:39 PM
I really am not worried about it. Texans need to win next week and let the chips fall where they fall . If the Texans would have taken care of business early in the season, then they wouldn't be scrambling like cockroaches when the lights come on.

Would I have liked to see the Jets lose today? HECK YEAH!

Would I like the Texans in the playoffs? damn skippy

SoCalTexanFan
12-27-2009, 08:00 PM
Texans pull out those games against Indy and it wouldn't matter. If I were an Indy fan, I would rather see PM sit out as well. Who cares about an undefeated regular season? Give me a Superbowl anyday. Ask the Patriots.

euro-Texan
12-27-2009, 08:02 PM
Hasn't this stratigy backfired before? I want to say it happend just a few years ago.

qman_tx
12-27-2009, 08:08 PM
So now Jets need to lose home against Cincy?

euro-Texan
12-27-2009, 08:09 PM
So now Jets need to lose home against Cincy?

and baltimore needs to lose as well

jaayteetx
12-27-2009, 08:10 PM
Not sure if this is possible or not, but my dream scenario, if cincy lays down for the jets also, is the jets beat cincy in the first round and then eliminates indy in the second. That'll teach em, karma is a biaaatch!

Mr. White
12-27-2009, 08:10 PM
I think this is Polian's call. Players and coaches want to compete.

Dungy would have told him to screw off, but Caldwell doesn't have that kind of juice yet.

cdollaz
12-27-2009, 08:13 PM
Funny that with everyone crying about playoff-bound team's sitting their starters at the end of the season, that may be the exact thing that even gives the Texans a chance to make the playoffs. How many actually think that the Texans would beat the Pats if they Pats had something to play for?

Cjeremy635
12-27-2009, 08:13 PM
Hasn't this stratigy backfired before? I want to say it happend just a few years ago.

It seems like every season some team has to make this decison. I'm really not sure if there is a right way to do it. I've seen it backfire and I've seen it work. IMHO though, it backfires more than it works. Problem is, if you leave your starter in and he gets hurt in a meaningless game, you WILL be run out of town with a crazy mob wielding pitchforks and torches. Just so you know....incase you ever have to make that tough call.

Cjeremy635
12-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Not sure if this is possible or not, but my dream scenario, if cincy lays down for the jets also, is the jets beat cincy in the first round and then eliminates indy in the second. That'll teach em, karma is a biaaatch!

If we somehow get eliminated, that's the way I'd love to see it play out. Perfect karma IMHO for giving up a game.

euro-Texan
12-27-2009, 08:25 PM
Funny that with everyone crying about playoff-bound team's sitting their starters at the end of the season, that may be the exact thing that even gives the Texans a chance to make the playoffs. How many actually think that the Texans would beat the Pats if they Pats had something to play for?

:texflag: I do

spurstexanstros
12-27-2009, 08:28 PM
booooo Caldwell...no guts no glory...booooo

Once Peyton is gone the Colts are toast.


How many years does "Mr Just a bit less than Jesus" Manning have left anyways?

jaayteetx
12-27-2009, 08:30 PM
booooo Caldwell...no guts no glory...booooo

Once Peyton is gone the Colts are toast.


How many years does "Mr Just a bit less than Jesus" Manniong have left anyways?

Boy, you talk about a team that has NO chance if they lose just one player. They should rename themselves the Indianappolis Peytons.

mariowillshine15
12-27-2009, 08:50 PM
Boy, you talk about a team that has NO chance if they lose just one player. They should rename themselves the Indianappolis Peytons.

Maybe if they would of put Manning on the back of Painter's jersey he would of played better:thinking:?

Stemp
12-27-2009, 09:00 PM
Boy, you talk about a team that has NO chance if they lose just one player. They should rename themselves the Indianappolis Peytons.

They pulled out all their starting receivers and TE as well.

SheTexan
12-27-2009, 09:30 PM
Makes no difference what the Colts try to do. They'll never make it past the Chargers. JMO!!

Honoring Earl 34
12-27-2009, 09:32 PM
Makes no difference what the Colts try to do. They'll never make it past the Chargers. JMO!!

I erased that Titan game vs the Charges but I'd watch it agian . :bravo:

Big Lou
12-27-2009, 09:57 PM
Funny that with everyone crying about playoff-bound team's sitting their starters at the end of the season, that may be the exact thing that even gives the Texans a chance to make the playoffs. How many actually think that the Texans would beat the Pats if they Pats had something to play for?

This Texans team can beat anyone in the NFL when they don't beat themselves. Don't assume they would lose to the Pats 1st stringers.


Sincerly,
Homer

buddyboy
12-27-2009, 10:13 PM
This Texans team can beat anyone in the NFL when they don't beat themselves. Don't assume they would lose to the Pats 1st stringers.


Sincerly,
Homer

IMO it's not being a homer if you believe that the Texans can beat the Patriots on any given Sunday. There's also a good chance they could lose, but the Texans are at the point where I think that we could beat just about anyone if we actually show up for four quarters.

Norg
12-27-2009, 10:22 PM
why would the colts wanna play us in the PLayoffs SMart move by them IMO

with that said i doubt the colts would want to play Pittsburg or the pins either

Speedy
12-27-2009, 11:26 PM
I'll take 3-0 or 4-0 in the playoffs over 16-0 and a playoff loss any day.

The goal is to win a Super Bowl. 16-0 isn't any better than 15-1, 14-2 or 13-3. All 4 of those records basically guarantee you an opportunity to reach the goal.

And even though Painter looked like crap out there today, maybe the experience he gets with the snaps he took today and gets next Sunday, help if something were to happen to Peyton early in their playoff game.

Better to have his feet wet a little bit in a couple of meaningless games than to be taking his first snap in the divisional playoff game.

TheRealJoker
12-27-2009, 11:37 PM
I hope Indy loses their first playoff game!!! And it would be awfully ironic if the Jets were the team to bounce them out in the divisional round...

You play 2.5 quarters and have a lead against a team that will more than likely go to the playoffs with a win (Bengals probably are gonna play their JV...and if that happens I hope the Jets bounce them as well!!!). This team is a bad matchup for you (top defense and running game), even though you have a lead and a quarter left to play you decide now to sit your starters. Instead of eliminating a potentially dangerous playoff contender outright you decide to rest your starters for a little over a quarter because you're pussified by the prospective undefeated season.

COWARDS!!!

Colts already had an extra bye week...that's called the Bills game. They didn't need to make it harder for the Texans to backdoor their way into the playoffs. Just play that last quarter dammit :-(

Lucky
12-27-2009, 11:41 PM
I hope Indy loses their first playoff game!!! And it would be awfully ironic if the Jets were the team to bounce them out in the divisional round...

You play 2.5 quarters and have a lead against a team that will more than likely go to the playoffs with a win (Bengals probably are gonna play their JV...and if that happens I hope the Jets bounce them as well!!!).

COWARDS!!!

Will you feel the same way when Bobby Hoying and the Pats JV roll into Reliant next Sunday? Did you feel that way when the Jags JV lost to the Texans in the '07 finale?

TheRealJoker
12-27-2009, 11:44 PM
Will you feel the same way when Bobby Hoying and the Pats JV roll into Reliant next Sunday? Did you feel that way when the Jags JV lost to the Texans in the '07 finale?

There's a difference between sitting for the finale and resting after already playing 3 quarters of your second to last game. Why not sit them at the half? Why not play through and then sit your starters next week? Why play them almost 3 whole quarters?

Plus Jags in 07 and Pats next week will both be playing the next week. It makes sense to take an "active bye" in that situation.

ChampionTexan
12-27-2009, 11:48 PM
Funny that with everyone crying about playoff-bound team's sitting their starters at the end of the season, that may be the exact thing that even gives the Texans a chance to make the playoffs. How many actually think that the Texans would beat the Pats if they Pats had something to play for?

Considering the Pats are 2-5 in road games this year (and 1-5 if you take away the neutral field win in London against the Bucs), I would say a fair number of folks would actually think that.

Lucky
12-27-2009, 11:52 PM
There's a difference between sitting for the finale and resting after already playing 3 quarters of your second to last game.
So the answer is "no". I would hope you would be consistent. BTW, the Bengals would play in the wild card round. Why blast them for sitting their starters?

The fact is that the Colts were right to sit Manning. They should have let Painter get the reps in practice and start the game. Same with the Pats next week. A far as a team receiving an advantage by playing against a JV squad, that's the luck of the draw. The Texans will get the same break, no reason for them (or their fans) to biatch about it.

Lucky
12-27-2009, 11:55 PM
Considering the Pats are 2-5 in road games this year (and 1-5 if you take away the neutral field win in London against the Bucs), I would say a fair number of folks would actually think that.
What's the Texans home record @Reliant this season? Versus winning teams? If the Pats needed this game, they would be favorites. And rightly so.

Hervoyel
12-28-2009, 12:17 AM
Will you feel the same way when Bobby Hoying and the Pats JV roll into Reliant next Sunday? Did you feel that way when the Jags JV lost to the Texans in the '07 finale?

If the Colts had already lost a game somewhere I would be less inclined to criticize them for laying down against the Jets but they were handling the Jets fairly easily and a perfect season was on the line. I know everybody says that they don't care about that over there but I'm calling bullshit based on the looks on those players faces. They know a perfect season is special particularly after seeing the Patriots finish 16-0 a couple of years ago.

Sure, I get the idea that they don't want anyone hurt in a game they don't think they need but if I'd attended that game I'd be raising hell and wanting my money back. The Colts basically threw the game and they knew that was what they were doing. Anytime I see this happen I don't like it. I didn't enjoy watching the Texans beat Jacksonville in that game you mention. It was unpleasant to watch. I want wins but I'm not so hard up for them that I want to see the opponent just give up. Next week we'll play who they put out there but seeing their backups won't fill me with joy. I think the Texans have just as much chance of beating the Patriots starters as they do the Patriots scrubs.

Either way we're going to play 30 minutes of shut down defense and deadly effective offense before we sit on whatever lead that amounts to. :)

The Colts disgusted me today. It just added to the hate I already carry around for those guys. Titans and Colts, Colts and Titans. The order doesn't matter. I hate both teams more than I ever could manage to hate the Cowboys or Steelers back in the day.

Lucky
12-28-2009, 12:24 AM
The Colts disgusted me today.
I understand. But, it's part of the game. JV's have been trotted out at the end of the season since I can remember.

keyser
12-28-2009, 12:46 AM
I thought the following quote from Tedy Bruschi (who actually faced this situation himself as part of the Patriots' team) here (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=bruschi_tedy&id=4775238) was interesting:
Here's the reality: Some teams don't just play for championships, they play to be the best there has ever been. Others are just satisfied with doing what's required. The Colts decided that resting is more important than making a run at history. They are telling us that what they have done up to this point in the season is good enough. They are satisfied with home-field advantage throughout the playoffs. 19-0? No big deal. History? Didn't want it.

Marcus
12-28-2009, 01:09 AM
Even though I can understand why the Colts pulled their starters, particularly Peyton, which was to prevent them from getting injured, and rest them for the playoffs, I still had a big problem with it.

Even though the Colts had 'nothing to play for', the Jets had something to play for. Can anyone convince me that the Jets would have won had the Colts gone all out. Good luck with that! This not only effected the Jets playoff picture, it effected the Texans, and other teams playoff pictures. I feel the Colts had an obligation to put the best team on the field just for that reason, and that reason alone.

rush2112mn
12-28-2009, 04:28 AM
Knowing what kind of competitor Manning is.....this one had to be tough to sit there on sideline and watch the lead just go away and lose like that.
I am not a Manning fan...but just looking at his reaction in second half....not sure he was too happy with way game went......

Also, they were showing Dallas Clark too.....who was pulled as well.....

The Third Man
12-28-2009, 05:47 AM
I'll take 3-0 or 4-0 in the playoffs over 16-0 and a playoff loss any day.

The goal is to win a Super Bowl. 16-0 isn't any better than 15-1, 14-2 or 13-3. All 4 of those records basically guarantee you an opportunity to reach the goal.

And even though Painter looked like crap out there today, maybe the experience he gets with the snaps he took today and gets next Sunday, help if something were to happen to Peyton early in their playoff game.

Better to have his feet wet a little bit in a couple of meaningless games than to be taking his first snap in the divisional playoff game.

I disagree. Turning your nose up at history is a bad move. Hell, if you want to sit the starters for a half, sit them in the first half.

DeMarCushPoll
12-28-2009, 08:16 AM
As mad as all the Indy fans are for pulling Pm, emagine how upset they would all be if he got injured in a meaningless game? I remember one year the Oilers had a playoff spot locked up and Moon was in a game against Cinci (playing for no reason) and hit his throwing hand on a defensive players helmet while throwing the ball. It was ugly, the bone was sticking out of his hand. Anyway, all chances of making a deep run in the playoffs were lost right then.

Hervoyel
12-28-2009, 08:25 AM
I thought the following quote from Tedy Bruschi (who actually faced this situation himself as part of the Patriots' team) here (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=bruschi_tedy&id=4775238) was interesting:

That's exactly what I'm talking about. If the Colts had 1-2 losses already I'd have been far less critical of their decision. It still wouldn't have set right with me but at least I could agree that they truly had nothing left to play for.

Their fans, who pay their hard earned money to follow the team closely got ripped off yesterday. Sure they might get a ring but we can already be certain of one thing. They won't be mentioned every year like the Dolphins undefeated team or even the Patriots nearly undefeated team. This organization chose not to try and do anything historic even though they were in a position to attempt it.

BigTimeTexanFan
12-28-2009, 08:35 AM
I ******* hate the Colts.

Pantherstang84
12-28-2009, 08:53 AM
I thought the following quote from Tedy Bruschi (who actually faced this situation himself as part of the Patriots' team) here (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=bruschi_tedy&id=4775238) was interesting:

Burschi had me until he said Manning seemed content being on the sideline. That's not the Manning I saw. He was pissed!

It is obvious the coaches didn't tell the players before hand that the team was taking a knee.

alphajoker
12-28-2009, 09:05 AM
Funny that with everyone crying about playoff-bound team's sitting their starters at the end of the season, that may be the exact thing that even gives the Texans a chance to make the playoffs. How many actually think that the Texans would beat the Pats if they Pats had something to play for?

<hand raised> Me

ObsiWan
12-28-2009, 09:07 AM
Question for one and all:

Would you reeeeally give a rat's anus about the Colt's undefeated season possibilities if we weren't in the playoff picture?

...for the first time ever?

And another thing; this to the Texans....
I hope the players take away a crucial lesson from this experience.
I hope Kubiak and the staff take this "teaching opportunity" and drill this into his young team's collective brain:
There are NO unimportant games.

Slaton, the Brown brothers, Moats, Dunta... are you listening??
Schaub, DeMeco, Cushing, O.D., and you other "team leader" types... mark this feeling well - this helpless feeling of having to depend on others. Take care of your own business early and you don't need help. I know this is new territory but let this soak in.
let this be a lesson to you:
The game you screw up in Sept. will bite you in Dec.

Yankee_In_TX
12-28-2009, 09:17 AM
Will you feel the same way when Bobby Hoying and the Pats JV roll into Reliant next Sunday? Did you feel that way when the Jags JV lost to the Texans in the '07 finale?

It's called a double standard - and I think every Texans fans has one :)

Yes we're peeved the Colts sat their starters, but we will all be happy if the Pats do the same :)

TheCD
12-28-2009, 09:29 AM
I'll take 3-0 or 4-0 in the playoffs over 16-0 and a playoff loss any day.

The goal is to win a Super Bowl. 16-0 isn't any better than 15-1, 14-2 or 13-3. All 4 of those records basically guarantee you an opportunity to reach the goal.

And even though Painter looked like crap out there today, maybe the experience he gets with the snaps he took today and gets next Sunday, help if something were to happen to Peyton early in their playoff game.

Better to have his feet wet a little bit in a couple of meaningless games than to be taking his first snap in the divisional playoff game.


I get what you're getting at here...but I disagree. I kept noticing that Peyton and his receivers were off target most of the game, and assuming that they rest the starters next week...that is a TON of momentum to lose between being 14-0 and your first divisional playoff game.

There obviously was quite a bit that team needed to work out and couldn't get done.

Buffi2
12-28-2009, 11:12 AM
Question for one and all:

Would you reeeeally give a rat's anus about the Colt's undefeated season possibilities if we weren't in the playoff picture?

...for the first time ever?


Yes, I would care about them sitting their starters instead of going for a perfect season. That part has nothing to do with the Texans and everything to do with the game of football. The Colts didn't just let down their fans, they let down every fan of the game and football itself. They let Manning get his record but prohibited the other players from becoming a part of history. Winning the SB may be their goal, but you can't have two goals? I, personally, hope they don't see the Super Bowl this year except on TV. If they do, by any chance, actually win, I think their win will be tainted.

disaacks3
12-28-2009, 11:22 AM
It's called a double standard - and I think every Texans fans has one :)

Yes we're peeved the Colts sat their starters, but we will all be happy if the Pats do the same :) Not here on either count. I get upset if a team refuses to even TRY to win a game that people have paid good $$ to watch (which is why I hope they go to an 18-game season).

I want the Pats to give us all they've got - lets see where this team stacks up against real competition, now that they think they're "on-track" again.

DeMarCushPoll
12-28-2009, 11:27 AM
I ******* hate the Colts.

I ******* do too!

I couldn't bring myself to root for them yesterday, even though I knew it would help the Texans. I just couldn't do it.

dc_txtech
12-28-2009, 01:29 PM
The Colts fans are pissed and embarrassed about the whole situation.

http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23481

Vinny
12-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Question for one and all:

Would you reeeeally give a rat's anus about the Colt's undefeated season possibilities if we weren't in the playoff picture?

...for the first time ever?

And another thing; this to the Texans....
I hope the players take away a crucial lesson from this experience.
I hope Kubiak and the staff take this "teaching opportunity" and drill this into his young team's collective brain:
There are NO unimportant games.

Slaton, the Brown brothers, Moats, Dunta... are you listening??
Schaub, DeMeco, Cushing, O.D., and you other "team leader" types... mark this feeling well - this helpless feeling of having to depend on others. Take care of your own business early and you don't need help. I know this is new territory but let this soak in.
let this be a lesson to you:
The game you screw up in Sept. will bite you in Dec.lol...they should already know that the NFL season is a sprint, not a marathon. If it took till now to learn that lesson they were hopeless from day one.

On the Colts. Part of the benefit of clinching early is resting players or not giving a damn. They owned the 09 regular season so they can do what they want. If we don't like it we should have taken this power away from them with some wins. Same applies to the rest of the league.

Speedy
12-28-2009, 01:41 PM
History?? What the hell? The 17-0 Dolphins got as many Lombardi trophies that year as the 14-6 New York Giants did 2 years ago.....ONE!!!

The Patriots went for so-called "history" and got nothing. Ask them if they'd rather be 18-1 with no trophy, or 18-1 because they lose that final regular season game but pick up their 4th Lombardi?

I think the Colts, and eventually their fans, would rather have a 2nd Super Bowl victory than go for a 16-0 record and come up short in the playoffs because you lose an important part of your team late in the 4th quarter of a meaningless game. Plus they have the opportunity to get some backups some significant playing time which might be a big help should they have an injury in the playoffs.

They had all they needed to do in the regular season done. Home field throughout was wrapped up. That's what the regular season goal is. That goal was achieved. Now it's on to the ultimate goal...winning the Super Bowl. THAT'S history!

infantrycak
12-28-2009, 01:57 PM
lol...they should already know that the NFL season is a sprint, not a marathon. If it took till now to learn that lesson they were hopeless from day one.

On the Colts. Part of the benefit of clinching early is resting players or not giving a damn. They owned the 09 regular season so they can do what they want. If we don't like it we should have taken this power away from them with some wins. Same applies to the rest of the league.

Putting aside the implications for the Texans as a fan of football I think they should have played out the streak. When you have a chance to make history you should at least try.

Norg
12-28-2009, 02:01 PM
ill say this if the texans were 14-0 given our Franchise history we would go for inmortatly 19 AND O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vinny
12-28-2009, 02:01 PM
Putting aside the implications for the Texans as a fan of football I think they should have played out the streak. When you have a chance to make history you should at least try.
Peyton hurts his ankle or Clark hurts his knee and every nitpicker jumps out of the woodwork and ridicules them for putting style over substance, so I don't have a problem with them making a decision and deciding that the SB trophy is more important than a superficial mystical imaginary trophy. It's a problem that always comes with clinching early and it's just compounded with this streak. I wish we had it.

Kaiser Toro
12-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Putting aside the implications for the Texans as a fan of football I think they should have played out the streak. When you have a chance to make history you should at least try.

Yep, no commitment to excellence. Al Davis is turning in his grave.

Yeah, that just happened. :kitten:

infantrycak
12-28-2009, 02:08 PM
Peyton hurts his ankle or Clark hurts his knee and every nitpicker jumps out of the woodwork and ridicules them for putting style over substance, so I don't have a problem with them making a decision and deciding that the SB trophy is more important than a superficial mystical imaginary trophy. It's a problem that always comes with clinching early and it's just compounded with this streak. I wish we had it.

I understand that but c'mon Peyton is the least hit QB in the league. I understand pulling Rogers or Big Ben who are getting smacked down repeatedly but Peyton is rarely touched and never hurt. He clearly was pissed about it.

Vinny
12-28-2009, 02:13 PM
I understand that but c'mon Peyton is the least hit QB in the league. I understand pulling Rogers or Big Ben who are getting smacked down repeatedly but Peyton is rarely touched and never hurt. He clearly was pissed about it.

I understand the fan sentiment and player feelings but I also understand the Colts very unique situation. If they win it all it will be an issue and if they don't, it will also be an issue and another one of those NFL films stories we watch on the NFLnetwork for years to come. I think perhaps Steve Sabol made this call.

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2009, 02:17 PM
When we played them at Reliant , we pulled our starters out in the 3rd quarter ... didn't we . :kingkong:

Double Barrel
12-28-2009, 02:47 PM
I'm glad they did it and glad they lost. The "Peyton Manning is god" crowd would only get more obnoxious with their overwhelming mancrush if the dude had an undefeated season.

As far as implications for the Texans, that's life in the NFL. This team is not ready for the playoffs. We are a 'baby steps' kind of team. We just obtained our first winning streak last season, so perhaps we can get our first winning season next Sunday. Then - maybe - they can be ready to sniff the playoffs.
http://www.msn101.com/content/Emoticons/BabyCrawl2_Q1L5J1.gif

HOU-TEX
12-28-2009, 03:33 PM
On the Colts. Part of the benefit of clinching early is resting players or not giving a damn. They owned the 09 regular season so they can do what they want. If we don't like it we should have taken this power away from them with some wins. Same applies to the rest of the league.

Agreed. It kinda irked me watching the Colts take a seat, but you're right. They won the right to do what ever the heck they want.

I'm glad they did it and glad they lost. The "Peyton Manning is god" crowd would only get more obnoxious with their overwhelming mancrush if the dude had an undefeated season.

As far as implications for the Texans, that's life in the NFL. This team is not ready for the playoffs. We are a 'baby steps' kind of team. We just obtained our first winning streak last season, so perhaps we can get our first winning season next Sunday. Then - maybe - they can be ready to sniff the playoffs.
http://www.msn101.com/content/Emoticons/BabyCrawl2_Q1L5J1.gif

Agreed.

infantrycak
12-28-2009, 03:40 PM
This team is not ready for the playoffs.

By what standard? You saying we have no chance of beating the Bengals (who we already beat) or Broncos? That seems like the definition of not ready to me - no realistic chance to win. Indy and San Diego are going to have 1st round byes. I don't see any of the other potential teams as unbeatable.

Porky
12-28-2009, 03:41 PM
I thought it was weak sauce myself. Let me run off a few points here.

First off, those people paid damn good money for those tickets, and they got the equivelent of an exhibition game. Hooray for them.

Then you have the Colts going for an undefeated season. That is an aswesome goal, and with only 2 games left more easily obtainable then the SB. Sure, that is the ultimate goal, but there can be goals within goals, and that is history making, and in some ways more difficult and memorable than even a SB win. One team must win the SB each year, but a perfect record? How often does that happen? It's like pulling a pitcher in the 8th inning while he is throwing a perfect game just to save his arm.

Ok, injuries. Boo freaking hoo. It's football not tiddlywinks. When was the last time Manning was injured during a game? Hell, I think it was during WW II if I recall. Hell freezes over more often. Besides that, you could say the same thing every game. He is just as likely to be injured in October as in December. Injuries are simply a part of the fabric of the game.

Rest - Ok it sounds good on paper, but is there any shred of evidence at all that teams that rest starters win more Super Bowls? I have yet to see one singletary piece of evidence that indicates that somehow teams that rest thier starters do better in the playoffs. And let's not forget these are usually the elite teams, so it has to be weighted for that - meaning the elite teams are expected to go further anyway. Where's the proof that this does a thing?

Lastly, it impact the integerity of the game when playoff seeding is at stake. I don't mind teams that rest against other teams that are either in or out of the playoff picture. But against teams like the Jets, Texans, Ravens, Broncos, et al opponents should give their best effort for the integrity, dignity, and respect for the game. Fans want to see the best teams get in, not those whose opponents let them in because they played backups. What kind of crapola is that? So ya, I want to see Tom Brady and the gang next week. If the Texans win, I want it to be legit.

That's all. Carry on. :pissed:

infantrycak
12-28-2009, 03:46 PM
Ok, injuries. Boo freaking hoo. It's football not tiddlywinks. When was the last time Manning was injured during a game? Hell, I think it was during WW II if I recall. Hell freezes over more often. Besides that, you could say the same thing every game. He is just as likely to be injured in October as in December. Injuries are simply a part of the fabric of the game.

Exactly. If injury is such a concern why are Manning and the starters in the rest of the season when they are up 20 and 30 points?

Double Barrel
12-28-2009, 04:00 PM
By what standard?

By the standard that they are not in the playoffs. Besides, I figured the rest of my post after that quote made my sarcasm obvious. :shades:

You saying we have no chance of beating the Bengals (who we already beat) or Broncos? That seems like the definition of not ready to me - no realistic chance to win. Indy and San Diego are going to have 1st round byes. I don't see any of the other potential teams as unbeatable.

Is that what I was saying? :um:

They are 1-5 in the division. They almost lost a 27 point lead yesterday because they are not worth a dollar (you know, a dollar is good for four quarters).

They may back themselves into the playoffs with some help, but do you honest see a playoff team when you watch the Texans? I don't, but you are welcome to see it any way that you choose.

Porky
12-28-2009, 04:09 PM
I usually can't stand Jason Whitlock (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/indy-coach-gm-will-regret-giving-up) but he has made some good points in this column and I found this section actually pretty damn funny.

Caldwell, a good coach, and Polian, the league's best GM, made an asinine decision.

Going undefeated has never once stopped a team from reaching the Super Bowl.

“The perfect season has never been one of our goals,” Caldwell claimed after the game. “It’s never been anything we focused on or anything we talked about.”

Knocking boots with Beyonce has never been one of my goals, but if presented the opportunity, you best believe I won’t labor through 20 minutes of foreplay and signal for Curtis Painter to finish the job.

There are stated goals and there are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities only fools pass up. You put Beyonce on your resume and it opens unforeseen doors. Tom Brady is married to Gisele because he dated Bridget Moynahan first.

Texan_Bill
12-28-2009, 04:11 PM
I usually can't stand Jason Whitlock (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/indy-coach-gm-will-regret-giving-up) but he has made some good points in this column and I found this section actually pretty damn funny.Caldwell, a good coach, and Polian, the league's best GM, made an asinine decision.

Going undefeated has never once stopped a team from reaching the Super Bowl.

“The perfect season has never been one of our goals,” Caldwell claimed after the game. “It’s never been anything we focused on or anything we talked about.”

Knocking boots with Beyonce has never been one of my goals, but if presented the opportunity, you best believe I won’t labor through 20 minutes of foreplay and signal for Curtis Painter to finish the job.

There are stated goals and there are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities only fools pass up. You put Beyonce on your resume and it opens unforeseen doors. Tom Brady is married to Gisele because he dated Bridget Moynahan first.

:lol:

ArlingtonTexan
12-28-2009, 04:12 PM
By the standard that they are not in the playoffs. Besides, I figured the rest of my post after that quote made my sarcasm obvious. :shades:



Is that what I was saying? :um:

They are 1-5 in the division. They almost lost a 27 point lead yesterday because they are not worth a dollar (you know, a dollar is good for four quarters).

They may back themselves into the playoffs with some help, but do you honest see a playoff team when you watch the Texans? I don't, but you are welcome to see it any way that you choose.

While I get what you are saying, but I am not going to turn down the trip to playoffs and chance to stay hot (we will have won four games in a row). Honestly, whatever the last team is in the AFC is going to be highly flawed and probably not deserving, but time after time over the last few years, getting in the tournament has been enough for teams to have some timing , luck and match-ups getting them pretty far.

BY1401
12-28-2009, 04:22 PM
I can't think of any other loss where I've been this angry.

Disappointed? Yes. Very much so.

Angry? Not by a long shot.

I will never forget this game.

infantrycak
12-28-2009, 04:26 PM
They may back themselves into the playoffs with some help, but do you honest see a playoff team when you watch the Texans? I don't, but you are welcome to see it any way that you choose.

Based on the teams that are going to make the playoffs this year, yes I do. I don't see the Broncos, Jets or Cincy as better than the Texans.

Hervoyel
12-28-2009, 04:35 PM
By the standard that they are not in the playoffs. Besides, I figured the rest of my post after that quote made my sarcasm obvious. :shades:



Is that what I was saying? :um:

They are 1-5 in the division. They almost lost a 27 point lead yesterday because they are not worth a dollar (you know, a dollar is good for four quarters).

They may back themselves into the playoffs with some help, but do you honest see a playoff team when you watch the Texans? I don't, but you are welcome to see it any way that you choose.

When I stare really hard at the Texans I see a playoff team.

Then about 30 minutes in they turn into a top ten draft pick team. It's weird how that happens.

Honestly, I see an "entry level" playoff team here. Capable of (most likely) one and done and able to slip in with help from other teams. They remind me of the Oilers the first time they got into the playoffs under Glanville.

infantrycak
12-28-2009, 04:40 PM
When I stare really hard at the Texans I see a playoff team.

Then about 30 minutes in they turn into a top ten draft pick team. It's weird how that happens.

Honestly, I see an "entry level" playoff team here. Capable of (most likely) one and done and able to slip in with help from other teams. They remind me of the Oilers the first time they got into the playoffs under Glanville.

Yes, very much like the Cards last year. A team that should most likely be the underdog but is capable of pulling off one or more upsets. Some folks are acting like the team is crap. If they got in and beat Cincy would anyone be surprised? Then if they got paired with Indy would anyone after the last four games with Indy be surprised if the game came down to the last few minutes/seconds? I bet watching Schaub and AJ work would not be Manning's first choice.

Pollardized
12-28-2009, 04:43 PM
Colts are used to being on their knees anyway...

Double Barrel
12-28-2009, 04:45 PM
While I get what you are saying, but I am not going to turn down the trip to playoffs and chance to stay hot (we will have won four games in a row). Honestly, whatever the last team is in the AFC is going to be highly flawed and probably not deserving, but time after time over the last few years, getting in the tournament has been enough for teams to have some timing , luck and match-ups getting them pretty far.

I wouldn't turn it down, either, and to be quite honest, I'm just happy that the Texans are even in the mix at this point in the season. Actually making the playoffs would be near mind-boggling, so anything beyond that would be mana from heaven.

Based on the teams that are going to make the playoffs this year, yes I do. I don't see the Broncos, Jets or Cincy as better than the Texans.

Y'all are right in looking at it from the bottom up. I was looking top down, but yeah, I can't argue that the sixth seed is usually a 'cusp team' that got the breaks and things went their way to take that last spot.

I suppose my ingrained cynicism about our team sometimes blocks the forest for the trees, but I can see where you're coming from and it makes sense from that perspective.

Texan_Bill
12-28-2009, 05:18 PM
I suppose my ingrained cynicism about our team sometimes blocks the forest for the trees, but I can see where you're coming from and it makes sense from that perspective.

Funny how we automatically lean towards the negative side. We're jaded, I guess.

Double Barrel
12-28-2009, 05:30 PM
Funny how we automatically lean towards the negative side. We're jaded, I guess.

yeah, we're birds of a feather as life-long Houston football fans.

GP
12-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Didn't the Dungy-led Colts basically do the same thing a few seasons ago by laying down and losing to the Titans...ensuring the Titans a playoff spot?

And then we see Fisher doing a charity event for the Colts this season?

Had the Colts' opponent been the TEXANS and not the Jets, you know good and well that Peyton Manning plays the whole game and they try to win.

I now officially hate the Colts more than any other team.

I suspected them of doing this vs. the Titans, and now they did it vs. the Jets when a Jets loss would have helped the Texans.

Suspicion confirmed as fact, in my opinion.

!@#$%^&%$#@!

GNR87
12-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Knowing what kind of competitor Manning is.....this one had to be tough to sit there on sideline and watch the lead just go away and lose like that.
I am not a Manning fan...but just looking at his reaction in second half....not sure he was too happy with way game went......

Also, they were showing Dallas Clark too.....who was pulled as well.....


I'm a rabid Colts fan and I was disgusted by what happened. You have history staring you in the face. You have the lead. Just 5 quarters of football and you can be mentioned with the greatest of teams.......so you pull the starters?!!?!?! Total BS. Manning was definitely not a happy camper. The Colts sideline look like they wanted to cut somebody up. The Colts message board blew up over this.

GP
12-28-2009, 09:48 PM
I'm a rabid Colts fan and I was disgusted by what happened. You have history staring you in the face. You have the lead. Just 5 quarters of football and you can be mentioned with the greatest of teams.......so you pull the starters?!!?!?! Total BS. Manning was definitely not a happy camper. The Colts sideline look like they wanted to cut somebody up. The Colts message board blew up over this.

A lot was wrong with what Caldwell did.

He screwed YOUR team, and he also allowed a playoff contender to waltz to an easy victory. Now the Rex Ryan "Christmas Wish List" makes me vomit even more.

This is TWO times that your Colts have done this. They also played a pretty soft game vs. the Titans few seasons ago, which allowed the Titans to get a Wild Card spot. I remember the announcers saying, as Fisher and Dungy embraced and smiled at each other at midfield at the end of that game, "Well, there's two guys who have a great history and rapport with one another from the past..."

I was like, "Pffft! Ya' think??! The Titans got an easy win AND a playoff spot, and the two coaches are basically congratulating each other out there!"

Geez, Louise. I can't wait for the day when the Colts and Titans are on the decline and the Texans are on the upward swing. I hope we pound the crap out of those two teams.

edo783
12-28-2009, 10:07 PM
OK, without looking it up, who won the Super Bowl in 1989? OK, now what year did a team have a perfect season and who was the team? See, that's the difference between just winning and making history. Winning is forgotten relatively soon, but history.......... kind of forever.

euro-Texan
12-28-2009, 10:12 PM
Didn't the Dungy-led Colts basically do the same thing a few seasons ago by laying down and losing to the Titans...ensuring the Titans a playoff spot?

And then we see Fisher doing a charity event for the Colts this season?

Had the Colts' opponent been the TEXANS and not the Jets, you know good and well that Peyton Manning plays the whole game and they try to win.

I now officially hate the Colts more than any other team.

I suspected them of doing this vs. the Titans, and now they did it vs. the Jets when a Jets loss would have helped the Texans.

Suspicion confirmed as fact, in my opinion.


!@#$%^&%$#@!

Agreed! I really hope this backfires in the colts face. If we don't make it in because of this, I officiall want the Jets to go all the way, knocking off Indy in the process. That would make me smile, maybe even laugh.

GNR87
12-29-2009, 07:50 AM
A lot was wrong with what Caldwell did.

He screwed YOUR team, and he also allowed a playoff contender to waltz to an easy victory. Now the Rex Ryan "Christmas Wish List" makes me vomit even more.

This is TWO times that your Colts have done this. They also played a pretty soft game vs. the Titans few seasons ago, which allowed the Titans to get a Wild Card spot. I remember the announcers saying, as Fisher and Dungy embraced and smiled at each other at midfield at the end of that game, "Well, there's two guys who have a great history and rapport with one another from the past..."

I was like, "Pffft! Ya' think??! The Titans got an easy win AND a playoff spot, and the two coaches are basically congratulating each other out there!"

Geez, Louise. I can't wait for the day when the Colts and Titans are on the decline and the Texans are on the upward swing. I hope we pound the crap out of those two teams.

We definitely screwed ourselves out of history no doubt about it. Like I mentioned the players looked like they were ready jack somebody up big time. The pre-Manning days were terrible as a Colts fan. A lot of 9 win years mixed in with 3 win years. Manning should remain at his level of play for another 3 or 4 years. Unless the Colts draft another pedigree QB you will get your wish of retribution. You'll just have to be patient til then.

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:12 PM
If the Jets make it to the playoffs, I hope they beat the Colts, LOL. :evil:

Ndevine7
12-29-2009, 09:15 PM
so do i but i live in ny and my bro is a huge jet fan so i hate hearing the chatter he gives me but i hate the colts alot more.

HJam72
12-29-2009, 09:21 PM
Wow. You must have some guts living in NY and rooting for the Texans. :cowboy1: