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mussop
12-24-2009, 09:45 AM
This is my priority. Time to make a splash. A stud in the middle turns this defense from a middle of the pack D into one that can take over games.

Top Defensive Tackles:

Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots (28)
The Patriots acknowledged being unable to keep both of their elite defensive linemen by trading away Richard Seymour, freeing up enough money to retain Vince Wilfork. Wilfork is one of the league’s premier nose tackles and one of the cornerstones for the Patriots’ defense. Once the season ends, the Patriots should start immediately trying to get him under contract so not to give him an option to walk. If he hits free agency, there are a number of teams that will heavily court Wilfork at a premium position.

Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (30)
Seymour has been coined one of the best defensive linemen of the decade and made himself a fixture in Honolulu prior to the last two seasons, including one curtailed by injury. Seymour has the ability and experience of playing 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. He excels in run defense, but also has the ability to apply pressure and collapse the pocket. Moving to Oakland, the defensive line has been injected with a burst of energy and has performed pretty well overall. Seymour didn’t seem too excited about being blindsided in a trade to Oakland and I’d be surprised to see him make a full-time switch to a losing team from a winning organization like the Patriots.

Aubrayo Franklin, San Francisco 49ers (30)
Franklin has emerged as one of the elite nose tackles this year, helping the 49ers to fielding one of the best run defenses in the league this year. He doesn’t provide much against the pass, but is able to occupy blockers and hold at the point of attack. If the Niners can’t reach a deal with Franklin, they’re expected to use the franchise tag on him.

Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (32)
Hampton has played pretty well this season, just outside of an elite level with a contract set to expire at the end of the year. The Steelers are among the top 3 teams in run defense this year and lead the league from a raw yardage standpoint. With a number of teams making the switch to the 3-4 without a proper nose tackle, Hampton’s salary could skyrocket through free agency. Great championship teams like the Steelers won’t overpay for players and that could be the case here. Hampton, earlier this season, hinted toward a move away from Pittsburgh if the money warrants it.

Ryan Pickett, Green Bay Packers (30)
Under Dom Capers, the Packers defense has made a complete transformation into a new unit. The most impressive turnaround comes from the defensive line and the front 7’s ability to stop the run. Pickett has turned around his career in Green Bay and done a fantastic job at NT on run downs, where almost all of his snaps have come. First round pick BJ Raji is seeing most of the snaps in passing situations. He’s one of the under-the-radar tackles in the league. The Packers should look to retain Pickett, but if he ends up costing too much, the Packers already have some coin committed to Raji who has also played remarkably well in shared snaps. Losing Pickett would be a big blow to the depth of the Packers DL.

If I cant sign one of the above I move to the next level talent wise.

Tony Brown, Tennessee Titans (29)
While some of the Titans’ defensive line has struggled this season, Tony Brown hasn’t been one of them. Actually, he’s one of the underrated defensive tackles in the league and one of the best pass rushers from the interior. He is a quick, penetrating UT that the Titans are expected to re-sign. After losing Haynesworth last year, losing Tony Brown would be a big blow to the front line.

Kevin Walter, Houston Texans (29)
Walter hasn’t been nearly as effective as last year, coming off an injury early in the year. For the Texans offense that hasn’t been short of scoring this year, it could be a good thing for the team. Keeping Walter under the radar could help them hang on to him at season’s end for a less competitive price. His size and style of play suggests that he should be a solid complementary receiver for a long time in the league.

He fits in good here but I wouldnt break the bank on him. Jacoby Jones should factor into this decision. Physically he is ready to take over this spot but where is he mentaly? Its really up in the air IMO. There are several ways we could go here. I think we low ball Walter and see where it goes from there. If he doesnt bite we let Walter walk and take a chance on Jacoby. If they dont think Jones is the answer we could dip into FA for a guy like

Malcom Floyd, San Chargers (28)
Over the recent weeks, Malcom Floyd has been given more responsibilities, starting 6 of the last 7 games, in the Chargers offense and this lengthy, 6’5”, 225-pound receiver has delivered for the Chargers. Similar to Vincent Jackson, Floyd does a great job getting vertical down the sidelines to make grabs in single coverage. He uses his height and balance to come down with the ball more often than not. Floyd will be a full-time starting number two receiver next year either in San Diego or elsewhere.

His size alone would make him a dangerous redzone threat opposite Johnson. We all know how much that would help the team.

If it were up to me------Floyd would be my first option. I would offer him solid #2 type money.


Owen Daniels, Houston Texans (27)
Daniels was well on his way to potentially leading all tight ends in the three big statistical categories prior to his ACL injury which required reconstructive surgery. With that, Daniels’ hopes of receiving a contract in line with the league’s premier tight ends were lost. Expect the Texans to offer Daniels a one-year contract to get an idea of his post-injury ability before negotiating a long-term deal. The franchise tag is always also another option if the two sides can’t reach a one-year agreement.

Obviously he was extremely important to this team. However we did offer him a solid contract and he turned it down. Im not sure I want to go the Daunte Robinson route again. If he checks out physically I would weight my options and either offer him a low one year contract or go after a cheaper but solid FA. Someone like

Tony Scheffler, Denver Broncos (27)
Scheffler hasn’t been the weapon he could be with his great athleticism and soft hands. Instead, the Broncos have used him more frequently in their offensive sets this year, but also have asked him to block more often. Scheffler had a big Monday Night game earlier this year against San Diego where he showed his potential by eclipsing the 100 yard mark, but has broken 50 only one other time this entire season. He’s on pace for his worst season since his rookie year where he was sparingly used. As far as we know, Scheffler hasn’t voiced any dissatisfaction, but is as at least as likely to leave Denver as he is to stay.
OR

Bo Scaife, Tennessee Titans (29)
Scaife isn’t a particularly flashy tight end or doesn’t have the athletic gifts of one of the top pass catchers, but he’s a balanced tight end who excels at making catches in the short game. As the Titans’ leader in receptions a year ago, don’t expect his numbers to decrease much with Vince Young at quarterback, his collegiate quarterback at Texas; the two have nice chemistry. The Titans love what they have in the more gifted rookie, Jared Cook, so if the money isn’t right, Scaife could be a nice pick-up for many teams around the league.

OR

Ben Watson, New England Patriots (29)
For stretch there, it appeared as if the athletically-gifted Watson was about to shoulder a larger role in the Patriots offense. He’s shown his long speed and ability to vertically challenge defenses on several occasions this year. Bill Belichick has never featured tight ends in his offense, but Watson could be one of the better potential tight ends on the market this year if a team offers a bigger pass-catching role to him.

OR

Anthony Fasano, Miami Dolphins (26)
You will get a good look at him this Sunday.

All these guys are on the right side of 30, would fit in nicely in this offense and would be cheaper than what OD will cost if he even returns to the player he was before injury.

If it were my decision I think I would go FA route and see if I could bring in one of these guys at a reasonable rate first. I would imagine any one of them would rather play in our TE freindly offense over where they are at now. I just dont want to break the bank on a this position with so many holes still on this team.

Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (27)

Im looking to upgrade here anyway so offer a lowball conract.

Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (31)

He's on the wrong side of 30 and coming off a major injury. He has been a good guy but its time to move on.

If I werent able to get one of the top DT's available Guard would be second on my list of big FA splash.

I would try going after Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (27)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production. Second on my list would be

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (28)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted, starting all 77 games. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.


DeMeco Ryans, Houston Texans (26)
Ryans has been a stalwart for the Texans, displaying consistency from game-to-game and year-to-year. With rookie sensation Brian Cushing next to him, the Texans have the beginnings of a good front 7. Ryans would like a long-term contract with the Texans, and Houston will almost definitely re-sign Ryans to keep intact the foundation of Ryans-Cushing-Williams front 7. If the two sides can’t reach a deal, there’s a chance he would be willing to accept a deal elsewhere.

Simple, do what it takes and Resign him so long as it doesnt handcuff the team from making future moves.

Dunta Robinson, Houston Texans (28)
After holding out for nearly the entire offseason, Dunta Robinson stepped in and played pretty poorly, allowing a number of intermediate catches against him. Over the last few weeks, Robinson has stepped up his play and limited the damage. With an entire offseason of workouts, Robinson can return to form and be one of the better corners in the league, but it’ll be interesting to see how the situation plays out next offseason after an up and down season this year. The Texans may not be ready to commit top-end money and if Dunta isn’t given it, he may try free agency if Houston doesn’t place the franchise tag on him yet again.

No way I franchise him again. I dont think he has played as bad as other seem to think but he is most certainly not an elite CB and doesnt deserve to be paid as one. I would offer him a contract that would put him in the top 15 range and let him decide if he wants it or walks.

With an improved front seven I wouldnt be scared going into next season with Quin and Reeves as my starters. I know that isnt ideal but it wouldnt be as bad as some think. We could also add some talent in the draft and maybe a second teir veteran FA.

ObsiWan
12-24-2009, 10:49 AM
Hey, where'd you find this??
Good info.


...oh and nice avatar
:D

Battle Red Flash
12-24-2009, 11:23 AM
I'd sign one FA offensive lineman, and one defensive FA lineman.
Re-sign our own FA's within reason, and trade back in the draft to get more picks in the first 4 rounds.

I'm all about trading back!

Runner
12-24-2009, 11:32 AM
I'd start free agency now and pick up a kicker. I'd like the organization to do what it takes to give themselves their best chance to win the last two games.

I'd like to see effort, commitment, and honest evaluation at the management levels.

El Tejano
12-24-2009, 11:52 AM
I agree with the original post. I also believe we go OL and DL in FA and make a big splash there. Many won't agree with me that the WR position needs to be upgraded outside of AJ. Keep in mind that Andre Davis is a FA this year too, so if you drop him and get a big splash FA like Malcolm Floyd you still upgraded the position. Kevin Walter disappointed but I'm sure he can bounce back.

Hervoyel
12-24-2009, 12:28 PM
I try to do the following in free agency in no particular order:

Re-sign DeMeco Ryans and Owen Daniels.

Make a reasonable offer to Dunta Robinson that I know he will refuse

Try to sign the best G in free agency to upgrade the left side. He either supplants Chester on the left or holds off Caldwell on the right. Either way I must improve one of those spots at the very least.

Try to pry Peyton Hillis off of the Broncos roster with a draft pick. I don't expect this to be too hard.

Then in the draft I'm looking for a franchise running back, a replacement for Dunta Robinson (but Quinn will be fine opposite Reeves for the time being), a center to push or replace Myers, and a replacement for Eugene Wilson. at FS. I already know I won't get them all but I can without a doubt get a couple of them. My priority is on running back (assuming I can get my FA guard) because in 2010 we're running the ball like a madman.

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Just realized that I completely forgot about Pollard. I agree with Goldensilence on the 2-3 year deal. I'd hate for him to go all Will Demps on us. I don't expect it but I'd make him a good, solid offer but nothing insane. I think we could get him for a reasonable price, particularly if the deal was good enough over a short period of time for him to believe that he could get a bigger contract following this one.

Mari-OWNED!
12-24-2009, 01:03 PM
I'd do what most of you all are saying, but I'd also add to the list...

Try and acquire LenWhale White in free agency.

El Tejano
12-24-2009, 01:12 PM
I'd do what most of you all are saying, but I'd also add to the list...

Try and acquire LenWhale White in free agency.

I was just about to type the same thing. Matter of fact I even started a thread about this possibility 3 weeks ago.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67367

CharloTex
12-24-2009, 01:41 PM
I agree with the original post. I also believe we go OL and DL in FA and make a big splash there. Many won't agree with me that the WR position needs to be upgraded outside of AJ. Keep in mind that Andre Davis is a FA this year too, so if you drop him and get a big splash FA like Malcolm Floyd you still upgraded the position. Kevin Walter disappointed but I'm sure he can bounce back.

I've seen this sentiment repeated over the latter part of the season, and even though Walter has killed my fantasy teams by not producing numbers, I'm here to defend him. He hasn't himself done anything to change his numbers this year, in my honest opinion (I don't know all those accronyms). Quite simply, he hasn't been thrown to (targeted) like he was in past years when the Texans had to depend on him more. When he is targeted, he catches the ball as reliably as he ever did. He may not have pulled in as many off-target balls as in the past, and he hasn't broken any long after-the-catch runs like last year, but that's not indicative of a fading skillset. If Andre went down for any reason (rub anti-jinx cream all over this statement), Walter would be right there to pick up (some of) the slack.

I'll take Walter over J. Jones every day. Walter is consistent, Jones is anything but consistent.

Blazing Arrow
12-24-2009, 01:48 PM
Disband team and start over ....

Wolf6151
12-24-2009, 02:12 PM
I'd re-sign Demeco Ryans, and Kevin Walter immediately. I'd make lowball offers to Chester Pitts and Owen Daniels for one year with lots of incentives and bonuses so that they can prove their worth and health. I'd make a low offer to Mike Brisiel since I'd like to keep him as a backup. I'd make an offer to Dunta that's lower than last year since he was mediocre this year and if he refuses let him walk and then really go after Joe Haden in the draft as his replacement. I'd go after Logan Mankins in FA, I think he'd do alot to solidify our O-line. I'd also go after some of the medium to low level CB's and FS's and hope that we get lucky with someone that can contribute. My big splash in FA though would be to re-sign Ryans and Walter and go after Mankins.

NitroGSXR
12-24-2009, 02:38 PM
We have at least two more potentially career ending games to play. I'll address our FA needs after the games have been played. I guarantee that list will change. Nice write up though. I enjoyed it. Thanks for taking that time to write it up.

rickyb
12-24-2009, 02:41 PM
FA Goals (in order)
1. Re-sign Meco.
2. Re-sign Daniels.
3. Re-sign Pollard. (I assume he must be a FA after this season?)
4a. CB -- if we can find good value for a shutdown corner (ie., not likely, but make the effort), do it. If not, draft the position in round 1 or 2.
4b. FS -- similar argument as for CB.
4c. OL -- guard. I cannot opine intelligently on the relative merits of this player or that, but I do agree with earlier observations on age.

Thesis: Our secondary needs work. Neither Dunta nor Reeves are the #1 shutdown corner, IMHO. With a shutdown corner and another solid safety to complete the hard-nosed play of Pollard, this defense will be salty.

One man's opinion.

All the best,
Rick

ChrisG
12-24-2009, 03:04 PM
1) Lock up OD and DeMeco long term (at least 5 years/ i would love to c like 7+).
2) Resign Pollard for at least 3 years.
3) Offer Dunta a little above nickel CB money - if he declines, goodbye.
4) Cut both Browns. I like Kris Brown alot but you cant have a kicker who you are unable to count on when you need him.


In that order of importance. If we do not resign DeMeco and OD, I will really question the Houston leadership/FO.

TexansMVP
12-24-2009, 03:23 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Here's the complete breakdown of the other free agents.

Scooter
12-24-2009, 03:33 PM
-lock up demeco, daniels, and pollard.
-moderate contracts to dunta and pitts.
-release both browns
-i've never been much of a walter fan so either direction is fine with me, as long as it's cheap
-first in free agency should be the biggest (literally - we need a pat williams collapse the pocket type nose tackle) name at DT possible ... it's no secret that Hampton would be my favorite, but there are some strong players potentially available.
-if at all possible, pay a little extra for a proven interior offensive lineman through free agency - we're at our fill of developing lineman and need an immediate impact. an experience signal caller at center would be ideal, but unlikely.
-best player available in the secondary in the first round
-improve the offensive weapons in rounds 2-3
-bpa on second day, more secondary and defensive ends would be nice, along with a kicker

Maddict5
12-24-2009, 04:09 PM
didnt know jahri evans was a FA this year. talk about a marquee player that would fill a huge need. should be our priority in FA after our own players imo. singlehandedly, he could help transform our weakness in the run game

Goldensilence
12-24-2009, 04:34 PM
I think it's important to lock up OD and Ryans. I'd keep an eye on OD's injury but, from what I know it's not career threatening. I think it's important to show commitment to talent we grow here. It's important for people on the team and the organization's rep around the league for taking care of their own.

Kevin Walter's numbers have dropped this year, but I don't feel it's any fault of his own. He just hasn't been targetted as much and I am curious as to why he hasn't taken over the middle of the field supplanting what OD did. Looking at the FA list Malcolm Flyod will be available, Lee Evans, and Steve Breaston are really the only people I'd consider an upgrade. But I like KW's game overall and I think if we makea reasonable offer he'd take it.

IMO screw offering Dunta anything. I think he made it pretty clear what he wants. I'd rather take a shot with some of the young guys we have and look to draft a CB high, like if Haden slips to us. Looking over the FA list of CBs there's no real shutdown guy available this year, however Ashton Youboty is available. I was intrigued when he came out of OSU and perhaps a change of scenery outside of Buffalo could help. He's also from Klein HS, might be interested in coming back home to recharge his batteries and career.

I'd offer Pollard a 2-3 year deal, preferably a two year. For some reason we have a history of guys coming in and making an impact at safety then tailing off the following year. No one in the FA market enamors me at FS, it would be a good year to draft a young, impact FS if Haden is gone.

I think N.E. chose to retain Wilfork as opposed to Seymour, and that's why they decided to unload him. I'd try to go after Seymour as he'd be able to work well as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT. However, it wouldn't suprise me to see him try to sign on in Miami or NY Jets to play his former team twice a year. Would love to see Hampton come home to Texas as well. Overall we need to address a big need at DT(still).

Would love to go after Evans or Mankins. I have a feeling Mankins will see what NE offers him and see who is interested around the league. I think he's make a difference here. Not sure how NO looks with cap space and who they need to resign, but Evans would be nice as well. We need to address guard or Center not just for starters but depth. Also a spot we need to look at in the draft early.

Far as RB's in FA go Jerious Norwood is supposedto be available, I think he's worth a look. I also like the idea of trying to Pry Peyton Hillis off the Broncos. We need someone to compliment Slaton next year.

Next two games should be the final judgement for Kubiak's job. Unforunately I think barring getting completetly blown out in both I don't think Bob McNair makes achange, I'd love to be surprised by that considering he was saying playoffs were the expectation at the begining of the year. IF Kubiak comes back they need to make a big push to fill as many holes as possible and make a farily big splash in FA to keep fan interest and erase any possible excuse Kubiak has if he can't make the playoffs...again.

I know we have the NFC East next year. Brutal. Does anyone know what AFC division we'll be playing?

mussop
12-24-2009, 05:11 PM
Hey, where'd you find this??
Good info.


...oh and nice avatar
:D

Sorry in and out with the FLU. Link (http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html). And thanks for the Avatar.

Maddict5
12-24-2009, 05:27 PM
I know we have the NFC East next year. Brutal. Does anyone know what AFC division we'll be playing?

the east. same as in kubiak's first year here

Thorn
12-24-2009, 05:35 PM
2010 Schedule

Home: Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, AFC North
Away: Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, AFC East

sometexansfan
12-24-2009, 05:37 PM
the east. same as in kubiak's first year here

Can't be the east, we played them this year. I think it's the west.

Thorn
12-24-2009, 05:38 PM
Can't be the east, we played them this year. I think it's the west.

google is your friend :)

ObsiWan
12-24-2009, 05:51 PM
google is your friend :)

Google (and Thorn) be right...
we played McNabb during Kubiak's 1st year. Played the Cowpies that year too. Got embarrassed both times.
We played, and beat, Grudens Buccs and Reggie's Saints in '07
We beat the Pack in Lambeau last year; 08
We beat 3 out of 4 NFC West teams this year; 09

next year the cycle begins again

sometexansfan
12-24-2009, 06:07 PM
google is your friend :)

That it is, but I was referring to the AFC division we play, not the NFC. Kubiak started with the East, then West, then North, this year it's back to East, so next year is West. Don't need google for that.

Thorn
12-24-2009, 06:08 PM
If you want to realize how much better Indy is than the rest of this division, look at how the NFL schedules. Evenone in the division plays the same exact opponets except for two games a year. Indy is 14-0 and the other three of us are sitting at .500 or worse.

AFC South
Houston Texans

Home: Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, AFC North
Away: Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, AFC East

Indianapolis Colts

Home: Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, AFC North
Away: Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, AFC East

Jacksonville Jaguars

Home: Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, AFC North
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, AFC East

Tennessee Titans

Home: Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, AFC North
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, AFC East

ArlingtonTexan
12-24-2009, 06:17 PM
:includeme:

I will add my comments aboutr what to do in the off-season once the off-seson actually gets here.

Nawzer
12-24-2009, 06:37 PM
I think its time to make a couple of big name signings if possible and reasonable. This team is close and now is the time to try to do something big before this window of opportunity passes.

Maddict5
12-24-2009, 06:51 PM
Can't be the east, we played them this year. I think it's the west.


oops. my bad- just remembered last time we had the nfc & afc east together. forgot it alternates between 4 nfc divisions & only 3 afc divisions though! :runaway:

mussop
12-24-2009, 07:23 PM
My draft follow up thread is here (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1331541#post1331541) if anyone is interested.

mussop
12-24-2009, 07:36 PM
:includeme:

I will add my comments aboutr what to do in the off-season once the off-seson actually gets here.

Unless you are naive enough to think we are really going to make the playoffs the offseason is here. :(

Jackie Chiles
12-24-2009, 08:11 PM
Whats the fascination with Malcolm Floyd? I don't think hes anything special and would be a downgrade to Walter. For a big red zone target why does he only have 1 TD catch this season? Only 4 all of last season. Hes 28 so I wouldn't expect much improvement either.

ObsiWan
12-24-2009, 08:13 PM
Disband team and start over ....

you first.

ObsiWan
12-24-2009, 08:14 PM
Is 2010 the first uncapped year or the last capped year? That will make a big diff come bargaining time.

ObsiWan
12-24-2009, 09:04 PM
I try to do the following in free agency in no particular order:

Re-sign DeMeco Ryans and Owen Daniels.

Make a reasonable offer to Dunta Robinson that I know he will refuse

Try to sign the best G in free agency to upgrade the left side. He either supplants Chester on the left or holds off Caldwell on the right. Either way I must improve one of those spots at the very least.

Try to pry Peyton Hillis off of the Broncos roster with a draft pick. I don't expect this to be too hard.

Then in the draft I'm looking for a franchise running back, a replacement for Dunta Robinson (but Quinn will be fine opposite Reeves for the time being), a center to push or replace Myers, and a replacement for Eugene Wilson. at FS. I already know I won't get them all but I can without a doubt get a couple of them. My priority is on running back (assuming I can get my FA guard) because in 2010 we're running the ball like a madman.

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Just realized that I completely forgot about Pollard. I agree with Goldensilence on the 2-3 year deal. I'd hate for him to go all Will Demps on us. I don't expect it but I'd make him a good, solid offer but nothing insane. I think we could get him for a reasonable price, particularly if the deal was good enough over a short period of time for him to believe that he could get a bigger contract following this one.

I like where your head's at. I pretty much agree move for move.

- Priority 1: Re-sign DeMeco. He, Cushing, and Diles have melded well this year. Don't want to screw that up.

- Priority 1A: Re-sign Daniels. I know what I have in O.D. He knows the system and has a good rapport with Schaub. Don't want to waste time trying to establish that link with someone new. Next year is gonna be tough enough as it is.

- Priority 2/2A: Grab the best DT and OG we can afford off the F/A mkt.
DT: Cody = T.J. (but without the funky attitude). Bulman goes hard but he's just journeyman level talent. Okoye has under achieved based on where he was picked. We took a 5th rd flier on Okam and it hasn't worked. Time to move on. If I thought Seymour had 3 good years left, he'd be my target; I'm just not sure.
OG: I haven't written Pitts off yet. Let's see where he is come camp time. Even so, he's 30-something so it's time to bring in his replacement for grooming. I wasn't really happy with Brisiel/Studdard going into this year. I need to upgrade that spot.

- Priority 3: Re-sign Pollard. I like what he brings to the field and the lockerroom. Now if I could just find a faster version of Eugene Wilson, I'd be set.

- Priority 4: Solid #2 behind Slaton. He's still the #1 RB in my mind. But I would like someone good enough that the defense can't relax. Ronnie Brown would be exciting. So would Pierre Thomas. But I think their teams would be idiots to let them get away and besides, they'd cost us a pick wouldn't they. Might as well draft someone with that pick. OTOH, J. Norwood, Mike Bell (why didn't we sign him again?), L. White, and Leon Washington are all unrestricted F/As next year. I only need one of them.

Leave the WRs alone. Schaub knows them and they know Schaub. I don't like fiddling with the most productive part of the team and cringing while some brand new #2 guy tries to fit in. If you want to upgrade D.A.'s spot, have at it. If you want to "lowball" A.D. go ahead - personally, I think he knows he's gotten his "big payday already" and will probably take a paycut. But I'd keep him at a reasonable salary. Keeps me from having to have J.J. field kickoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
12-24-2009, 10:33 PM
1) Lock up OD and DeMeco long term (at least 5 years/ i would love to c like 7+).
2) Resign Pollard for at least 3 years.
3) .
4) Cut both Browns. I like Kris Brown alot but you cant have a kicker who you are unable to count on when you need him.


In that order of importance. If we do not resign DeMeco and OD, I will really question the Houston leadership/FO.

Offer Dunta a little above a nickel - if he declines, goodbye.

Fixed that.

edo783
12-24-2009, 10:58 PM
The thing to keep in mind (assuming no new collective bargaining agreement) is that few, if any of the FAs that are worth a toot will see the open market. They will just be handed an RFA offer that will keep them on the team one more year unless another team ponies up draft picks and more money. I'm not expecting much if any movement in the FA period.

Goatcheese
12-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Top RFA tender for Ryans and Daniels
Mid RFA tender for Pollard
Low RFA tender for Bulman, Busing, Butler, Moats and White

Re-sign Walter, Robinson and Turk

Bring in OG Jahri Evans, Logan Mankins, or Daryn Colledge
Bring in DT Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton
Bring in K Neil Rackers
Bring in CB Richard Marshall

Draft Smart. Draft S-Mart.

It's fun spending other people's money. :cow:

ArlingtonTexan
12-24-2009, 11:30 PM
Unless you are naive enough to think we are really going to make the playoffs the offseason is here. :(

I know that texans have about 3 wins in a deck of 52 cards, but what if if I am wrong about McNair's love of Kubiak...ie. we have a new coach with new offensive/defensive systems (even if not radically different), waiting 2 weeks and maybe up to a month to see the actual (versus my guess) direction club is going before posting my off-season plan saves me a lot of time and effort.

CloakNNNdagger
12-24-2009, 11:40 PM
...........with the wallet wide open.............:polevault:

steelbtexan
12-25-2009, 01:04 AM
...........with the wallet wide open.............:polevault:

Needs to be that way or the fan base will turn against McNair and it's not going to be pretty. IMO

Enough with the 8-8 mediocity.

mussop
12-25-2009, 01:20 AM
I know that texans have about 3 wins in a deck of 52 cards, but what if if I am wrong about McNair's love of Kubiak...ie. we have a new coach with new offensive/defensive systems (even if not radically different), waiting 2 weeks and maybe up to a month to see the actual (versus my guess) direction club is going before posting my off-season plan saves me a lot of time and effort.

I was just giving you a hard time. :P If I wasnt stuck in bed with the flu I probably wouldnt have done all this either.

steelbtexan
12-25-2009, 01:33 AM
I was just giving you a hard time. :P If I wasnt stuck in bed with the flu I probably wouldnt have done all this either.

Hope you get to feeling better.

Having the flu during Christmas must suck.

mussop
12-25-2009, 01:54 AM
One thing everyone needs to keep in mind is we are going to have to cut some money in a couple of places if we want to make a splash at DT and upgrade the OL. Demeco, Pollard are two guys I want to lock up. Demeco is going to cost a pretty penny. Im ok with resigning Walter at a reasonable price but if we can upgrade without spending a whole lot more then why not.

I know everyone is in love with OD but he has already turned down a huge contract and is going to be coming off a major injury. We need to take advantage of the TE position on this team. Young up and coming TE's will want to come here at lower salaries knowing they will get alot of balls thrown their way. If Kubiak stays I could actually see the TE position being a revolving door with new guys coming in every few years.

Its going to cost us big to sign a DT, OG, Pollard, Demeco.

I say lets use Robinsons money on a DT, Davis's money on an OG, what money we save on OD's replacement on Demeco and fill out the holes with Pollard, Walter or a comparable player and Brisiel.

I just dont see anyway we could sign a top DT, solid OG, Ryans, OD, Pollard, Brisiel and Walter all in one offseason.

mussop
12-25-2009, 01:56 AM
Hope you get to feeling better.

Having the flu during Christmas must suck.

Thank you and Yes it does.

steelbtexan
12-25-2009, 02:04 AM
I think we could sign OD to a reasonable contract. He's coming off an injury.

Pitts and Walters' money + the $ that are saved on OD's contract should be enough to sign Ryans to a fair contract.

TexansSeminole
12-25-2009, 03:16 AM
In short, I would approach FA this off season as if I needed to improve every single position. After re-signing who we would like to return and setting aside money to resign players in the future, I would spend every dollar I had to improve the roster. I'd start with the OL, the secondary, and running back.

Goatcheese
12-25-2009, 03:36 AM
One thing everyone needs to keep in mind is we are going to have to cut some money in a couple of places if we want to make a splash at DT and upgrade the OL. Demeco, Pollard are two guys I want to lock up. Demeco is going to cost a pretty penny. Im ok with resigning Walter at a reasonable price but if we can upgrade without spending a whole lot more then why not.

I know everyone is in love with OD but he has already turned down a huge contract and is going to be coming off a major injury. We need to take advantage of the TE position on this team. Young up and coming TE's will want to come here at lower salaries knowing they will get alot of balls thrown their way. If Kubiak stays I could actually see the TE position being a revolving door with new guys coming in every few years.

Its going to cost us big to sign a DT, OG, Pollard, Demeco.

I say lets use Robinsons money on a DT, Davis's money on an OG, what money we save on OD's replacement on Demeco and fill out the holes with Pollard, Walter or a comparable player and Brisiel.

I just dont see anyway we could sign a top DT, solid OG, Ryans, OD, Pollard, Brisiel and Walter all in one offseason.

Anybody with less than 5 years experience is stuck as a Restricted Free Agent. Even the top RFA tender is fairly cap friendly.

Most of our desirable players fall into that catagory.

mussop
12-25-2009, 04:59 AM
I try to do the following in free agency in no particular order:

Re-sign DeMeco Ryans and Owen Daniels.

Make a reasonable offer to Dunta Robinson that I know he will refuse

Try to sign the best G in free agency to upgrade the left side. He either supplants Chester on the left or holds off Caldwell on the right. Either way I must improve one of those spots at the very least.

Try to pry Peyton Hillis off of the Broncos roster with a draft pick. I don't expect this to be too hard.
Then in the draft I'm looking for a franchise running back, a replacement for Dunta Robinson (but Quinn will be fine opposite Reeves for the time being), a center to push or replace Myers, and a replacement for Eugene Wilson. at FS. I already know I won't get them all but I can without a doubt get a couple of them. My priority is on running back (assuming I can get my FA guard) because in 2010 we're running the ball like a madman.

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Just realized that I completely forgot about Pollard. I agree with Goldensilence on the 2-3 year deal. I'd hate for him to go all Will Demps on us. I don't expect it but I'd make him a good, solid offer but nothing insane. I think we could get him for a reasonable price, particularly if the deal was good enough over a short period of time for him to believe that he could get a bigger contract following this one.

I kinda hit on this in my follow up. How about Jacoby Jones for Hillis straight up. I still cant beleive we passed on Hillis that late in the draft.

ObsiWan
12-25-2009, 08:20 AM
Sorry in and out with the FLU. Link (http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html). And thanks for the Avatar.

Oh snap! Sorry dude. I was down with the flu during the Labor Day weekend. Being sick on a holiday bites.
During Christmas it must mega bite.
Good work on the assessments too.

ArlingtonTexan
12-25-2009, 09:20 AM
I was just giving you a hard time. :P If I wasnt stuck in bed with the flu I probably wouldnt have done all this either.

Yuck...I caught a bug on Christmas eve a few years back when I was visiting family. I was not exactly the favorite uncle at that point, since I tied up a bedrrom and forced them to change dinner plans. Hope you get better.

Maddict5
12-25-2009, 10:16 AM
I think we could sign OD to a reasonable contract. He's coming off an injury.

Pitts and Walters' money + the $ that are saved on OD's contract should be enough to sign Ryans to a fair contract.

what with there being no CBA, we can give OD another RFA tender cant we?

Hervoyel
12-25-2009, 10:23 AM
I kinda hit on this in my follow up. How about Jacoby Jones for Hillis straight up. I still cant beleive we passed on Hillis that late in the draft.

I would not even hesitate to do that.

ObsiWan
12-25-2009, 10:35 AM
Originally Posted by mussop http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1331655#post1331655)
I kinda hit on this in my follow up. How about Jacoby Jones for Hillis straight up. I still cant beleive we passed on Hillis that late in the draft.
I would not even hesitate to do that.

While I don't have any objection whatever to this move, my question is what makes you think Denver would bite? Why to they need J.J enough to dump Hillis?

That goes for any of these proposed moves. It's obvious (most of the time) how the benefit us, but how to they benefit the other team? It's got to be win/win or it's not gonna happen.

ObsiWan
12-25-2009, 10:37 AM
what with there being no CBA, we can give OD another RFA tender cant we?

From what was posted earlier about him regretting not taking that offer, sounds like if they made it to him again - say top 10 instead of top 3 - he might bite. And he's worth top 10 TE money, maybe top 5, IMHO.

Hervoyel
12-25-2009, 11:10 AM
While I don't have any objection whatever to this move, my question is what makes you think Denver would bite? Why to they need J.J enough to dump Hillis?

That goes for any of these proposed moves. It's obvious (most of the time) how the benefit us, but how to they benefit the other team? It's got to be win/win or it's not gonna happen.

Denver doesn't do anything practically with Peyton Hillis right now. The guy has carried the ball 12 times this year and caught 4 passes. He's a holdover from Shanahan's regime and clearly did well in that system, particularly catching the ball out of the backfield. He needs to get back in that kind of offense and we're just the team to make that happen. At the same time look at the amazing WR corps that Denver has.

10 Gaffney, Jabar (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9692) WR 6' 2" 200 29
11 McKinley, Kenny (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9882) WR 6' 0" 183 22
19 Royal, Eddie (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=8656) WR 5' 10" 180 23
84 Lloyd, Brandon (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9978) WR 6' 0" 194 28
15 Marshall, Brandon (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=5909) WR 6' 4" 230 25
14 Stokley, Brandon (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=7087) WR 6' 0" 192 33

Jabar Gaffney: 33 catches and no TD's. 8th season. He's right on schedule.
Kenny McKinley: Nothing.
Eddie Royal: 37 catches and no TD's.
Brandon Lloyd: Nothing.
Brandon Marshall: Clearly their #1.
Brandon Stokley: 14 catches and in his 11th year. He's on his way out.

I really don't know if they would be interested in JJ but he's better in my mind than anybody they draft (outside of round 1) or anyone they have not named Brandon Marshall. JJ "marketed" as a guy who has matured and is ready to take the next step might interest them. He's in his third year and clearly taking a step up so maybe they could be sold on the idea that we've done the hard work on the maturity front with JJ?

It's not like Brandon Marshall and Josh McDaniels have been smooth sailing either. The guy is kind of volatile and past Marshall they really don't have a whole lot of guys better than JJ.

If not maybe they'd like David Anderson? He's got that whole "Wes Welker type" thing going for him and McDaniels is a New England guy who might want that for his QB in Denver.

The thing is we could probably find somebody they'd like without doing too much damage to any particular part of our roster.

mussop
12-25-2009, 11:22 AM
Denver doesn't do anything practically with Peyton Hillis right now. The guy has carried the ball 12 times this year and caught 4 passes. He's a holdover from Shanahan's regime and clearly did well in that system, particularly catching the ball out of the backfield. He needs to get back in that kind of offense and we're just the team to make that happen. At the same time look at the amazing WR corps that Denver has.

10 Gaffney, Jabar (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9692) WR 6' 2" 200 29
11 McKinley, Kenny (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9882) WR 6' 0" 183 22
19 Royal, Eddie (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=8656) WR 5' 10" 180 23
84 Lloyd, Brandon (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9978) WR 6' 0" 194 28
15 Marshall, Brandon (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=5909) WR 6' 4" 230 25
14 Stokley, Brandon (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=7087) WR 6' 0" 192 33

Jabar Gaffney: 33 catches and no TD's. 8th season. He's right on schedule.
Kenny McKinley: Nothing.
Eddie Royal: 37 catches and no TD's.
Brandon Lloyd: Nothing.
Brandon Marshall: Clearly their #1.
Brandon Stokley: 14 catches and in his 11th year. He's on his way out.

I really don't know if they would be interested in JJ but he's better in my mind than anybody they draft (outside of round 1) or anyone they have not named Brandon Marshall. JJ "marketed" as a guy who has matured and is ready to take the next step might interest them. He's in his third year and clearly taking a step up so maybe they could be sold on the idea that we've done the hard work on the maturity front with JJ?

It's not like Brandon Marshall and Josh McDaniels have been smooth sailing either. The guy is kind of volatile and past Marshall they really don't have a whole lot of guys better than JJ.

If not maybe they'd like David Anderson? He's got that whole "Wes Welker type" thing going for him and McDaniels is a New England guy who might want that for his QB in Denver.

The thing is we could probably find somebody they'd like without doing too much damage to any particular part of our roster.

Nice job I would also add JJ's return ailities would make the deal more attractive ot Denver also.

And thanks for all the well wishes from everyone.

infantrycak
12-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Is 2010 the first uncapped year or the last capped year? That will make a big diff come bargaining time.

It is uncapped but that doesn't mean unrestricted playing field. The most significant restriction is players will not become UFA's after 4 years. So guys like DeMeco and OD would be subject to RFA tenders. Same would apply to some of the other names being thrown around. That's going to put a real damper on the number of UFA's available.

steelbtexan
12-25-2009, 12:49 PM
McDaniels wanted Anderson last year.

I think an Anderson for Hillis trade would work.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

mussop
12-25-2009, 02:03 PM
McDaniels wanted Anderson last year.

I think an Anderson for Hillis trade would work.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

Either way is fine with me. I think the team would miss Andersons personality more than it would Jones's ability though.

edo783
12-25-2009, 10:12 PM
IMO, unless there is a deal made in the CBA, few if any of the current UFAs that are worth a toot will make the open market. They will be hit with the RFA tags and wind up staying right where they are unless a team is willing to give up picks and more cash than the offer. Doubt that happens much. So, all the UFAs that people are looking at to be available, really aren't this next year.