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MannyFresh
12-21-2009, 07:36 PM
Why is he still a Texan? I see Nick Folk just got cut from Dallas and signed Shaun Suisham....please don't sign Nick Folk!!!

Goatcheese
12-21-2009, 07:37 PM
Because it's Krismiss time. This is his season.

MannyFresh
12-21-2009, 07:45 PM
I was researching to see if there were any younger Gramatica's on the horizon, or if Steve Christie has a son out there now kicking....someone other than Kris Brown.

TheIronDuke
12-21-2009, 08:10 PM
What round do good kickers typically get drafted in? Hunter Lawrence can make clutch FG's, I want him. Might also help us get some support from Austin.

houstonspartan
12-21-2009, 08:10 PM
Nick Folk got cut? Damn. I didn't know that. Give Jerry Jones some credit for doing what needs to be done, I suppose.

Runner
12-21-2009, 08:15 PM
Nick Folk got cut? Damn. I didn't know that. Give Jerry Jones some credit for doing what needs to be done, I suppose.

I'm sure Kris Brown will be evaluated in the off-season. There is no reason to rush such decisions with this team.

houstonspartan
12-21-2009, 08:20 PM
I'm sure Kris Brown will be evaluated in the off-season. There is no reason to rush such decisions with this team.

Heaven forbid the Texans actually do something about an underperforming player during the season. We'll just wait until the offseason - as usual.

Give me a break.

SteveSlaton20
12-21-2009, 09:12 PM
please get hunter lawrence

Texan4Ever
12-21-2009, 09:17 PM
Wow, a Pro Bowl kicker cut??? Then what's Kris Brown doing in a Texans uni?

texanfan2002114
12-21-2009, 09:24 PM
Kubes was asked today on his show on 610am about Kris Brown and his words were that the " Texans have a lot invested in Kris and he is our kicker." So I looked up his contract and forgot he signed an extention during the summer and now I understand why we haven't looked for a new kicker yet. McNair doesn't want to waste anymore money on another kicker while he has one on the roster threw 2013 and the $2.5 million guranteed.

6/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1611

MannyFresh
12-21-2009, 09:31 PM
Kubes was asked today on his show on 610am about Kris Brown and his words were that the " Texans have a lot invested in Kris and he is our kicker." So I looked up his contract and forgot he signed an extention during the summer and now I understand why we haven't looked for a new kicker yet. McNair doesn't want to waste anymore money on another kicker while he has one on the roster threw 2013 and the $2.5 million guranteed.

6/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1611

So he's the Texan's version of Matt Maloney...

J_R
12-21-2009, 09:33 PM
Kris Brown was awarded the ST player of the Rams game. You dont want him around?


:sarcasm:

powerfuldragon
12-21-2009, 09:34 PM
Because it's Krismiss time. This is his season.

oh my..

TheRealJoker
12-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Its a shame that we can no longer depend on our kicker. We could really use some clutch FGs these next 2 games...

houstonspartan
12-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Kubes was asked today on his show on 610am about Kris Brown and his words were that the " Texans have a lot invested in Kris and he is our kicker." So I looked up his contract and forgot he signed an extention during the summer and now I understand why we haven't looked for a new kicker yet. McNair doesn't want to waste anymore money on another kicker while he has one on the roster threw 2013 and the $2.5 million guranteed.

6/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1611

Look, I know we have a lot invested in him, but he's not doing his job. I'm assuming McNair also wants W's...

TexanBacker93
12-21-2009, 09:47 PM
Kubes was asked today on his show on 610am about Kris Brown and his words were that the " Texans have a lot invested in Kris and he is our kicker." So I looked up his contract and forgot he signed an extention during the summer and now I understand why we haven't looked for a new kicker yet. McNair doesn't want to waste anymore money on another kicker while he has one on the roster threw 2013 and the $2.5 million guranteed.

6/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1611

Why anyone every gives a kicker a 4 year extension is beyond me. These guys are all just a couple of big misses away from developing permayips. It's not like you can't find a dozen free agents at any point.

I don't think I could watch the field if he came in to kick a game winner against the Patriots that would send us to the playoffs. I'd hope for a make, but I don't know if his psyche could handle the pressure.

texanfan2002114
12-21-2009, 09:47 PM
Look, I know we have a lot invested in him, but he's not doing his job. I'm assuming McNair also wants W's...

I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241

houstonspartan
12-21-2009, 09:52 PM
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241

Looks like you had some foresight. I wasn't posting on here back then.

I like Kris, but enough already. I know he's an Original Texan, and that's a cute story, but he's messing up a bit too much.

Say what you want about Jerry Jones, but, he would have cut Kris Brown MONTHS ago, new contract be damned.

Ranger Tom
12-21-2009, 09:55 PM
I just want to know why he was automatic from 50 yards last season and a crapshoot now. Where did his mojo go?

houstonspartan
12-21-2009, 09:58 PM
I just want to know why he was automatic from 50 yards last season and a crapshoot now. Where did his mojo go?

Pressure. The Texans had a lot on the line this season. For the first time. He knew every kick was critical. Maybe he couldn't handle it.

Joe Texan
12-21-2009, 10:10 PM
Worry about Kris Brown and give him the ball inside the 40. If your blaming him for the 45 - 55 misses your out of line. Inside the 40 and he should be money. On the other hand you got Chris Brown trying to get Kris Brown inside the 40 so it is probably not going to happen.

brakos82
12-21-2009, 10:12 PM
Worry about Kris Brown and give him the ball inside the 40. If your blaming him for the 45 - 55 misses your out of line. Inside the 40 and he should be money. On the other hand you got Chris Brown trying to get Kris Brown inside the 40 so it is probably not going to happen.

We're obiovusly going to need to find somebody named Cris Brown now.

eriadoc
12-21-2009, 10:36 PM
Kris Brown has a long, distinguished career of missing kicks. I'm amazed how the fans here are so blissfully unaware how poorly he's done over the years. Counting his last two very good seasons, and discounting this horrible season, he elevated himself from the bottom 10% of kickers in the NFL to the bottom 25% of the NFL. Seriously, so some research on the guy and start comparing him to other kickers that have been around a while.

Kris Brown has a 77.8% career average, and that's after two very good years to elevate that number. Most kickers that stick around a while kick in the 80s easily.

texanfan2002114
12-21-2009, 10:43 PM
Worry about Kris Brown and give him the ball inside the 40. If your blaming him for the 45 - 55 misses your out of line. Inside the 40 and he should be money. On the other hand you got Chris Brown trying to get Kris Brown inside the 40 so it is probably not going to happen.

Just for you Joe!

20-29 yards 10/12
30-39 yards 6/8
40-49 yards 1/5
50+ 2/3

19 out of 28 for 68%. The thing that bothers me the most is that Kris Brown is 3 out of 6 in the 4th quarter. When he is paid to make kicks, he doesn't. He should be 6 for 6!

houstonspartan
12-21-2009, 10:48 PM
Kris Brown has a long, distinguished career of missing kicks. I'm amazed how the fans here are so blissfully unaware how poorly he's done over the years. Counting his last two very good seasons, and discounting this horrible season, he elevated himself from the bottom 10% of kickers in the NFL to the bottom 25% of the NFL. Seriously, so some research on the guy and start comparing him to other kickers that have been around a while.

Kris Brown has a 77.8% career average, and that's after two very good years to elevate that number. Most kickers that stick around a while kick in the 80s easily.

I'll be honest and say I was one of the clueless unaware. I just always thought of Kris as Mr. Money Shot. Then, when he started missing kicks this year I started doing research on him and WOA!!

Kris had better hope that Cowher doesn't come here. Cower would give him the ax - again.

devo-x
12-21-2009, 11:13 PM
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? ot low confidence? :thinking:

devo-x
12-21-2009, 11:14 PM
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? or low confidence? :thinking:

SheTexan
12-21-2009, 11:41 PM
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? ot low confidence? :thinking:

Maybe a bad snap, or bad placement? Just sayin! Takes three people to pull off an accurate kick, not counting the rest of the team. I haven't looked at replays, so I really don't know.

Corrosion
12-22-2009, 04:23 AM
Just for you Joe!

20-29 yards 10/12
30-39 yards 6/8
40-49 yards 1/5
50+ 2/3

19 out of 28 for 68%. The thing that bothers me the most is that Kris Brown is 3 out of 6 in the 4th quarter. When he is paid to make kicks, he doesn't. He should be 6 for 6!

The Cowpies and (I believe) Ravens have brought in new kickers after the guy's they had didnt get it done .


The excuse the guy's on the radio (I think it was 610) gave for the Texans not bringing in some competition was that there isnt a better kicker on the street ....At the rate Brown is missing FG's , I find that hard to believe. Right now Kris Brown is very bad , there needs to be some accountability.

As much as we like to think they are just liquored up ***** kickers - they are too important to the success or failure of a team to miss as often (dont forget 3 blocks this season) as Kris Brown has.

Tedc
12-22-2009, 05:58 AM
KB has been a good kicker with some really nice game winning kicks for us and it is a shame to see what is happening. I have enjoyed the way he has played since the first season, giving up his body on plays that other kickers would not.

That been said, the Texans must look for a kicker in the offseason in order to make the next step.

ATXtexanfan
12-22-2009, 06:01 AM
You think he's still here because he's a team captain?

Bubbajwp
12-22-2009, 06:16 AM
I think Nick Folk had leg surgery in the offseaon and alot of people think that is why he is having a bad season.

El Tejano
12-22-2009, 07:36 AM
I say draft the kid from Nebraska. (Which is where Kris Brown is from coincidently).

Texan_Bill
12-22-2009, 07:54 AM
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? ot low confidence? :thinking:

Kickers are like golfers. They get the "yips".... It's either in his head, or his swing is out of kilter.

Texan_Bill
12-22-2009, 08:00 AM
You think he's still here because he's a team captain?

He's here because he did well last season. This year? Not so much.

HoustonFrog
12-22-2009, 08:19 AM
The Cowpies and (I believe) Ravens have brought in new kickers after the guy's they had didnt get it done .


The excuse the guy's on the radio (I think it was 610) gave for the Texans not bringing in some competition was that there isnt a better kicker on the street ....At the rate Brown is missing FG's , I find that hard to believe. Right now Kris Brown is very bad , there needs to be some accountability.

As much as we like to think they are just liquored up ***** kickers - they are too important to the success or failure of a team to miss as often (dont forget 3 blocks this season) as Kris Brown has.

Right. Kickers can cost you games. Folk already had cost the Cowboys a few leads and in the end tie ball games. It is a seriously lame excuse to say there is no one better. When your guy sucks and it is in his head, another guy with a similar skill set may be in a better place. The Cowboys signed Suisam. He did miss twice against the Cowboys and against the Saints that cost them the game. But those were his only misses and he was 18 of 21 on the year. Not horrible.

I think Nick Folk had leg surgery in the offseaon and alot of people think that is why he is having a bad season.

Hip surgery. The problem is that he says he feels fine and is healthy. And his distance is great. I think it is in his head. That is why they were thinking of putting him on IR...so they could work with him in the off-season. Just couldn't swing it.

Grams
12-22-2009, 08:52 AM
Is it his technique that's causing him to miss kicks? or low confidence? :thinking:

How much confidence does the coach have in him when he can't even watch a field goal attenpt. Sooner or later that is going to get into one's head.

HOU-TEX
12-22-2009, 09:09 AM
I think he just signed a new 4 year deal in the off season too. Maybe somebody that knows can fill us in, but I'd gather it'd be a substantial cap hit if we were to whack him. I'm sure that might have something to do with it, no?

Texan_Bill
12-22-2009, 09:43 AM
I think he just signed a new 4 year deal in the off season too. Maybe somebody that knows can fill us in, but I'd gather it'd be a substantial cap hit if we were to whack him. I'm sure that might have something to do with it, no?

Signed a deal/ extension in June of this year. The deal is through 2013, worth $10 million with $2.5 of that being guaranteed. Other than that I don't know too much about his contract situation.

infantrycak
12-22-2009, 09:52 AM
How much confidence does the coach have in him when he can't even watch a field goal attenpt. Sooner or later that is going to get into one's head.

Kubiak doesn't watch any game deciding plays and hasn't for over a decade. It is no comment on Kris Brown.

Runner
12-22-2009, 10:16 AM
Kris Brown is a microcosm of the Texans team as a whole and of the coaching staff.

Corrosion
12-22-2009, 11:05 AM
Kris Brown is a microcosm of the Texans team as a whole and of the coaching staff.

So what is it - Are they snake bit or are they just not quite good enough ? I have a tough time answering that question.

Vinny
12-22-2009, 11:14 AM
Brown has had a brutal year. Time to bring in a kicker for a real TC competition for the first time ever.

Mr. White
12-22-2009, 11:23 AM
So what is it - Are they snake bit or are they just not quite good enough ? I have a tough time answering that question.

This reminds me of when I watched a Raymond Berry highlight reel from when he played WR for John Unitas and the Colts. Dude was phenomenal. Made some real circus catches.

His teammates always asked him how he made so many lucky catches.

He said "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."

One things for sure this season....the Texans have had plenty of opportunity.

Corrosion
12-22-2009, 11:37 AM
This reminds me of when I watched a Raymond Berry highlight reel from when he played WR for John Unitas and the Colts. Dude was phenomenal. Made some real circus catches.

His teammates always asked him how he made so many lucky catches.

He said "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."

One things for sure this season....the Texans have had plenty of opportunity.

Yes they have had plenty of opportunity and just havent been able to make a play - in most cases they were "in position" to make a play and just didnt get it done - dropped balls , fumbles , missed fg's .... The more I think about it , the more I think they just arent that good. If they were , they would make a damn play to win a game here and there.

When they were losing 4 straight they were missing their two starting OG's and OD. Right now they are missing 3/5th's of their starting OL as well as Slaton and OD on offense and have beaten a couple bad teams - I get the idea its a talent issue.

Ryan
12-22-2009, 12:48 PM
I think we'd be 9-5 and have a sure fire spot at playoffs if it wasn't for KB. So yeah cut his a$$.

Runner
12-22-2009, 12:58 PM
So what is it - Are they snake bit or are they just not quite good enough ? I have a tough time answering that question.

Well, I'm going to discount snake bit. I'm not going to attribute eight or four year patterns to bad luck.

It is pretty obvious that Kris Brown needs replaced to give the Texans their best chance to succeed. Why isn't he? It appears he will get to finish out the year, even though the Texans are still in the playoff hunt with no margin for errors. The Texans are leaving the door open for another missed field goal - a very foreseeable missed field goal - costing them what little chance they have. He and his wife are nice people. Is it because he's a nice guy he's kept? Is it just that the Texans have glacial decision making? Is it blind hope that he gets better because he's a Texan? Is it because of the good things he's done that the bad results are seen as anomalies, even though they are more of a pattern?

I think these same questions can be asked about Kubiak. He's had a year below the medicore standard he has set for himself, but he is most likely coming back. Is he really getting better, or is it just hope?

I think the team as a whole is viewed much the same way. The average results are seen as improvement because the good is rated more highly than the bad in hopes that the bad are anomalies i think the same bad things happen too frequently to be anything but a pattern.

I called keeping Brown a microcosm of the Texans organization because it highlights the plodding decision making and the "good is good enough" corporate culture. Excellence is too high a goal, or striving for excellence is just too hard.

Does the Texans organization "want" to have winning seasons and long playoff runs? Absolutely.

Is the Texans orgainzation committed to doing everything it takes to reach that goal? Not that I've seen.

Texan_Bill
12-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Well, I'm going to discount snake bit. I'm not going to attribute eight or four year patterns to bad luck.

It is pretty obvious that Kris Brown needs replaced to give the Texans their best chance to succeed. Why isn't he? It appears he will get to finish out the year, even though the Texans are still in the playoff hunt with no margin for errors. The Texans are leaving the door open for another missed field goal - a very foreseeable missed field goal - costing them what little chance they have. He and his wife are nice people. Is it because he's a nice guy he's kept? Is it just that the Texans have glacial decision making? Is it blind hope that he gets better because he's a Texan? Is it because of the good things he's done that the bad results are seen as anomalies, even though they are more of a pattern?

I think these same questions can be asked about Kubiak. He's had a year below the medicore standard he has set for himself, but he is most likely coming back. Is he really getting better, or is it just hope?

I think the team as a whole is viewed much the same way. The average results are seen as improvement because the good is rated more highly than the bad in hopes that the bad are anomalies i think the same bad things happen too frequently to be anything but a pattern.

I called keeping Brown a microcosm of the Texans organization because it highlights the plodding decision making and the "good is good enough" corporate culture. Excellence is too high a goal, or striving for excellence is just too hard.

Does the Texans organization "want" to have winning seasons and long playoff runs? Absolutely.

Is the Texans orgainzation committed to doing everything it takes to reach that goal? Not that I've seen.

More than likely it's that extension that he got in June of this year.

Runner
12-22-2009, 01:08 PM
More than likely it's that extension that he got in June of this year.

If the statement on the board that the extension has just $2.5 guaranteed is accurate, than this reason would certainly point to a lack of commitment to excellence on the part of the organization.

Texan_Bill
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
Signed a deal/ extension in June of this year. The deal is through 2013, worth $10 million with $2.5 of that being guaranteed. Other than that I don't know too much about his contract situation.

If the statement on the board that the extension has just $2.5 guaranteed is accurate, than this reason would certainly point to a lack of commitment to excellence on the part of the organization.

I got those figures here (http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/2876) and followed up here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4266744).

This extension was after coming off a pretty darn good season.

Runner
12-22-2009, 01:47 PM
Signed a deal/ extension in June of this year. The deal is through 2013, worth $10 million with $2.5 of that being guaranteed. Other than that I don't know too much about his contract situation.

If the statement on the board that the extension has just $2.5 guaranteed is accurate, than this reason would certainly point to a lack of commitment to excellence on the part of the organization.

I got those figures here (http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/2876) and followed up here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4266744).

This extension was after coming off a pretty darn good season.

Just to be clear: I wasn't questioning the veracity of the numbers posted, just pointing out that I didn't check them out myself and took the post at face value.

houstonspartan
12-22-2009, 01:58 PM
McNair's just going to have to eat that $2.5 million and call it a day.

DeMarCushPoll
12-22-2009, 02:04 PM
Nevermind

TD
12-22-2009, 02:07 PM
Brown has had a brutal year. Time to bring in a kicker for a real TC competition for the first time ever.

Yep...no reason to just cut him at this point. Lets see what happens going into next year.

Texan_Bill
12-22-2009, 02:32 PM
I just noticed that he's had 3 kicks blocked this year (most in his career). That tells me one of two things: A) The line is full of suck or B) his mechanics are all jacked up (which can include timing). The former is too easy so I'm going with the latter.

Runner
12-22-2009, 02:37 PM
Brown has had a brutal year. Time to bring in a kicker for a real TC competition for the first time ever.

Yep...no reason to just cut him at this point. Lets see what happens going into next year.

There is a reason to cut him now. That reason is that he has a recent and very real history of missing important kicks. If the team is committed to winning they should try to mitigate that risk. If the team wants to hold onto him for a training camp battle, they need to bench him and bring in another kicker.

If they just roll along, then the team has indicated that "we would have won the game if he had made the kick" (i.e. good enough) is acceptable. Bringing in a kicker with a better chance to make the kick* and win (i.e. commitment to excellence) isn't where the team is at.


* Brown is in a bad slump right now. Rick Smith should be able to find a better option for the next two games.

GP
12-22-2009, 02:38 PM
...The Texans are leaving the door open for another missed field goal - a very foreseeable missed field goal - costing them what little chance they have. He and his wife are nice people. Is it because he's a nice guy he's kept? Is it just that the Texans have glacial decision making? Is it blind hope that he gets better because he's a Texan? Is it because of the good things he's done that the bad results are seen as anomalies, even though they are more of a pattern?...

...Is the Texans orgainzation committed to doing everything it takes to reach that goal? Not that I've seen.

Please read this long-ass post of mine. I put a lot more thought into it than I did my "Is Kubiak a racist?" idea. So everyone please take 40 minutes of your time today and read this:

I think Bob McNair is trying to build a version of the classic Dallas Cowboys organization: The Tom Landry era of Cowboys, not the Jerry JOnes era of Cowboys.

You can see it in how Bob markets the team. Score one for Bob--He dang sure knows how to market his franchise. The players are professional for the most part, the coaches have been people who don't lash out in emotional antics on camera, and the whole organization is as sterile and void of drama as you can get.

I read your post, and I think that Bob McNair wants to emulate that old-school type of era. So, "yes" the decision-making is at a glacial pace because it mimics the old-school way of doing things. You don't overreact by playing musical chairs with your coaches, which means allowing Capers to play out a 2-14 season to the very last game, as well as sticking with Richard Smith as d-coord for so many "wasted" seasons.

There's a certain aura of "distinction" that's evident with this franchise. The introduction of ESPN, IMO, heralded a new era of sports media--An era marked by celebrating winners and castigating losers. In the old days, losses hurt...but I imagine there was not the level of jack-assery with the sports media as there is now.

In the old days, someone like Rich Eisen would not have said "And now we'll show you highlights of the Rams-Texans game. Because we have to."

The way the sports media has pitted winners vs. losers, in the eyes of its viewers/consumers, has forced owners to make bold moves. You can no longer be a good guy who runs a nice team with poster-boy coaches and players. The pressure to "Win Now!," at any cost, is amazing. It causes teams to make drastic moves, like flailing away at CD or DVD player because the disc is scratched and you just know that you can jostle it in order to make it play. It's why Charlie Weiss gets a HUGE contract re-structuring at Notre Dame and then is eventually out on his ass a few seasons later. Here today, gone tomorrow. NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!

Bob McNair is attempting to build a winning franchise, and I think that his focus is upon doing it in a way that's less like what other franchises are doing it. I think he sees himself as someone who is more like the Rooney family and less like the Daniel Snyder Redskins. I think Bob McNair DOES want to win, but he's from an era that doesn't match the current NFL climate of teams who hire and fire coaches and GMs at the beginning stages of the team's decline.

He's more likely to ride out the storm and make sure that he doesn't let a good one get away. He doesn't want Tom Landry to be let go just before Tom Landry hits it big. McNair is a guy who, IMO, sincerely believes that even if he doesn't "Win Now!" that some day he is going to win, and that he will have done it the unconventional way when compared to the here-today-gone-tomorrow antics of other franchises.

Does that endear Bob McNair to me? Nope. Because I think it's misguided thinking in lieu of how the NFL has evolved and what it has become. It's like trying to keep your dial-up internet service when you know damn well that even our basic DSL is being made just as obsolete as dial-up had been made several years ago. You feel pity for the family who still has dial-up. It's a sentimental issue for people like Bob McNair. "No, thanks, Mr. Cable Salesman. My dial-up is working just fine."

There's a certain mystique with doing things in a nostalgic, bygone-era sort of manner. I think he thinks he's wedding the old era and the new era together in a holy matrimony of sorts. He sees himself as having made a currently-relevant team from a marketing standpoint, yet a classic football team from days gone by.

Too bad for us. Because it means that "our team" and "his team" are judged upon within two different courts of law. One team, two different ways of evaluation. It's like waking up one day and realizing that you and your spouse are vastly different people. You aren't nearly as "compatible" as you had first believed. So you have to ask yourselves the big question: "Do we really LOVE one another? Can this REALLY work? What if I don't want this the rest of my life? Did I make a mistake? Will he/she leave me for someone else? This is going to take a lot of work."

In the end, I think we're all (on some level) coping with those nagging questions. Is this the team I wanted it to be? Am I stuck with it forever? What if I can't handle the way Bob runs this team? He's probably not going to change how he runs it. Do I like it? What can I do to make the best of it?

Kris Brown was not cut by the Texans like what Jerry Jones did to Nick Folk. One guy was axed on Monday, before the rest of the season played out. And one guy remained and WILL remain at least until the end of this season. The Cowboys, for all their faults and warts, saw that their kicker endangered the team's chances at making it as at least a Wild Card team this year.

So they cut the strings, and cut them swiftly. They just got a guy who also got cut from the Redskins for having a severe case of the yips. Why? Because changing scenery, especially for kickers, can do a world of good for all parties involved. Jerry Jones understands that. Bob McNair doesn't.

They operate on two different levels.

And with this team, I suppose the sooner we accept it...the better?

Mr. White
12-22-2009, 02:53 PM
Or maybe McNair just shutters at the idea of eating a contract.

houstonspartan
12-22-2009, 02:58 PM
Please read this long-ass post of mine. I put a lot more thought into it than I did my "Is Kubiak a racist?" idea. So everyone please take 40 minutes of your time today and read this:

I think Bob McNair is trying to build a version of the classic Dallas Cowboys organization: The Tom Landry era of Cowboys, not the Jerry JOnes era of Cowboys.

You can see it in how Bob markets the team. Score one for Bob--He dang sure knows how to market his franchise. The players are professional for the most part, the coaches have been people who don't lash out in emotional antics on camera, and the whole organization is as sterile and void of drama as you can get.

I read your post, and I think that Bob McNair wants to emulate that old-school type of era. So, "yes" the decision-making is at a glacial pace because it mimics the old-school way of doing things. You don't overreact by playing musical chairs with your coaches, which means allowing Capers to play out a 2-14 season to the very last game, as well as sticking with Richard Smith as d-coord for so many "wasted" seasons.

There's a certain aura of "distinction" that's evident with this franchise. The introduction of ESPN, IMO, heralded a new era of sports media--An era marked by celebrating winners and castigating losers. In the old days, losses hurt...but I imagine there was not the level of jack-assery with the sports media as there is now.

In the old days, someone like Rich Eisen would not have said "And now we'll show you highlights of the Rams-Texans game. Because we have to."

The way the sports media has pitted winners vs. losers, in the eyes of its viewers/consumers, has forced owners to make bold moves. You can no longer be a good guy who runs a nice team with poster-boy coaches and players. The pressure to "Win Now!," at any cost, is amazing. It causes teams to make drastic moves, like flailing away at CD or DVD player because the disc is scratched and you just know that you can jostle it in order to make it play. It's why Charlie Weiss gets a HUGE contract re-structuring at Notre Dame and then is eventually out on his ass a few seasons later. Here today, gone tomorrow. NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!

Bob McNair is attempting to build a winning franchise, and I think that his focus is upon doing it in a way that's less like what other franchises are doing it. I think he sees himself as someone who is more like the Rooney family and less like the Daniel Snyder Redskins. I think Bob McNair DOES want to win, but he's from an era that doesn't match the current NFL climate of teams who hire and fire coaches and GMs at the beginning stages of the team's decline.

He's more likely to ride out the storm and make sure that he doesn't let a good one get away. He doesn't want Tom Landry to be let go just before Tom Landry hits it big. McNair is a guy who, IMO, sincerely believes that even if he doesn't "Win Now!" that some day he is going to win, and that he will have done it the unconventional way when compared to the here-today-gone-tomorrow antics of other franchises.

Does that endear Bob McNair to me? Nope. Because I think it's misguided thinking in lieu of how the NFL has evolved and what it has become. It's like trying to keep your dial-up internet service when you know damn well that even our basic DSL is being made just as obsolete as dial-up had been made several years ago. You feel pity for the family who still has dial-up. It's a sentimental issue for people like Bob McNair. "No, thanks, Mr. Cable Salesman. My dial-up is working just fine."

There's a certain mystique with doing things in a nostalgic, bygone-era sort of manner. I think he thinks he's wedding the old era and the new era together in a holy matrimony of sorts. He sees himself as having made a currently-relevant team from a marketing standpoint, yet a classic football team from days gone by.

Too bad for us. Because it means that "our team" and "his team" are judged upon within two different courts of law. One team, two different ways of evaluation. It's like waking up one day and realizing that you and your spouse are vastly different people. You aren't nearly as "compatible" as you had first believed. So you have to ask yourselves the big question: "Do we really LOVE one another? Can this REALLY work? What if I don't want this the rest of my life? Did I make a mistake? Will he/she leave me for someone else? This is going to take a lot of work."

In the end, I think we're all (on some level) coping with those nagging questions. Is this the team I wanted it to be? Am I stuck with it forever? What if I can't handle the way Bob runs this team? He's probably not going to change how he runs it. Do I like it? What can I do to make the best of it?

Kris Brown was not cut by the Texans like what Jerry Jones did to Nick Folk. One guy was axed on Monday, before the rest of the season played out. And one guy remained and WILL remain at least until the end of this season. The Cowboys, for all their faults and warts, saw that their kicker endangered the team's chances at making it as at least a Wild Card team this year.

So they cut the strings, and cut them swiftly. They just got a guy who also got cut from the Redskins for having a severe case of the yips. Why? Because changing scenery, especially for kickers, can do a world of good for all parties involved. Jerry Jones understands that. Bob McNair doesn't.

They operate on two different levels.

And with this team, I suppose the sooner we accept it...the better?

You put a lot of thought into this. Great post.

But, I think you may be underestimating Mr. McNair. I think he knows he has to be a "new" NFL franchise. Heck, he knows it more than anyone, because we're the newest team in the league.

The Texas brand is still being created and built. Bob McNair can't afford to have it develop into a losing franchise. He just can't.

I have to say, though, that I give Jerry Jones mucho respect. He saw a problem, and he dealt with it. Quickly.

281
12-22-2009, 03:00 PM
Because it's Krismiss time. This is his season.

HAHAHA. i like it.

imatexan
12-22-2009, 03:57 PM
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241

And you would have been crazy for cutting KB at that time.

He went on the next few seasons to being one of our best players and someone we could always count on.

Just because he is having a bad year does not erase what he has done the other seasons for us.

I agree that he needs to go or at least competition be brought in.

Before this season hardly anyone would even think that KB had to go and had good reason.

Vinny
12-22-2009, 04:03 PM
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?

edo783
12-22-2009, 10:00 PM
I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?

Busted! LOL

houstonspartan
12-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Busted! LOL

Yeah, I sent Vinny a rep for that one. LOL.

Corrosion
12-23-2009, 04:09 AM
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?

One whole rep point ?! Thats weak .

That should be reviewed by the league office .... Roger Goodell should increase your fine.

At the time of that post up until the middle of this season Brown has been one of the better kickers in the NFL ..... I have to concur with whoever gave you that neg rep - that thread at that time was silly , just silly.

Runner
12-23-2009, 07:02 AM
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?

You may want to consider a fence post avatar after this PotD.

Runner
12-23-2009, 07:27 AM
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?

SheTexan
12-23-2009, 07:56 AM
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?

NO!!!! KB is getting paid to do a job, why pay someone else who might be in the same slump? You don't know that Carney would do any better than Kris! We're not going anywhere this season anyway, let KB earn his salary!!

Corrosion
12-23-2009, 08:04 AM
NO!!!! KB is getting paid to do a job, why pay someone else who might be in the same slump? You don't know that Carney would do any better than Kris! We're not going anywhere this season anyway, let KB earn his salary!!

At the rate he's going he should give it all to charity cause he sure hasnt earned it this season ..... I'd bring in Carney if for nothing else but some competition , maybe one of them shakes off the shanks.
We have seen every RB on the roster benched at one time or another for turning the ball over , a missed FG is basicly a turnover. If those backs were held accountable , so should be the kicker.

Runner
12-23-2009, 08:22 AM
I think Carney was cut because he was an injury fill-in for the Saints younger kicker. That kicker is now healthy; he wasn't cut for performance reasons.

He had a similar role last year and did well with the Giants. I think he is the ideal solution to the Kris Briwn issue.

I would like to see the Texans organization make a positive move to try to give the team its best chance for victory, rather than "hope" Kris Brown snaps out of his funk if a game comes down to a winning field goal attempt. If nothing else, it sends a message to the players that the team is committed to winning.

ObsiWan
12-23-2009, 08:48 AM
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?

depends on if those four misses were from 50+ or not. I don't recall Carney being known for the distance of his kicks. Those could be cases where he didn't have enough "leg".

Runner
12-23-2009, 08:51 AM
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?

depends on if those four misses were from 50+ or not. I don't recall Carney being known for the distance of his kicks.

He is certainly no spring chicken, so he might not have a lot of leg left. I'd rather have him for a forty yarder though.

Or a thirty...twenty...

Mr. White
12-23-2009, 08:54 AM
More than likely it's that extension that he got in June of this year.

If the statement on the board that the extension has just $2.5 guaranteed is accurate, than this reason would certainly point to a lack of commitment to excellence on the part of the organization.

I got those figures here (http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/2876) and followed up here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4266744).

This extension was after coming off a pretty darn good season.

I guess this explains the team's "commitment" to Kris Brown.

Are we sure Bob McNair is a "hands off" owner?

HoustonFrog
12-23-2009, 08:57 AM
I think Carney was cut because he was an injury fill-in for the Saints younger kicker. That kicker is now healthy; he wasn't cut for performance reasons.
He had a similar role last year and did well with the Giants. I think he is the ideal solution to the Kris Briwn issue.

I would like to see the Texans organization make a positive move to try to give the team its best chance for victory, rather than "hope" Kris Brown snaps out of his funk if a game comes down to a winning field goal attempt. If nothing else, it sends a message to the players that the team is committed to winning.

Right. Hartley came back and they liked him before. Carney did nothing wrong. He was just the fill in.

Runner
12-23-2009, 09:00 AM
I think Carney was cut because he was an injury fill-in for the Saints younger kicker. That kicker is now healthy; he wasn't cut for performance reasons.
He had a similar role last year and did well with the Giants. I think he is the ideal solution to the Kris Briwn issue.

I would like to see the Texans organization make a positive move to try to give the team its best chance for victory, rather than "hope" Kris Brown snaps out of his funk if a game comes down to a winning field goal attempt. If nothing else, it sends a message to the players that the team is committed to winning.

Right. Hartley came back and they liked him before. Carney did nothing wrong. He was just the fill in.

The Saints carried Carney on the roster for a couple of games even after Hartley came back. It is unlikely he was cut for performance reasons.

HoustonFrog
12-23-2009, 09:22 AM
The Saints carried Carney on the roster for a couple of games even after Hartley came back. It is unlikely he was cut for performance reasons.

Exactly. Hartley was banned the first 4 games because of a banned substance. Carney kicked pretty well for them in the interim and beyond. I'd read they held on to Carney to maybe keep him out of the hands of other teams.....Cowboys maybe, a week earlier.

dc_txtech
12-23-2009, 09:31 AM
How hard can it be to find a new kicker? At Texas Tech we just pull them out of the stands.

Runner
12-23-2009, 09:39 AM
The Saints carried Carney on the roster for a couple of games even after Hartley came back. It is unlikely he was cut for performance reasons.

Exactly. Hartley was banned the first 4 games because of a banned substance. Carney kicked pretty well for them in the interim and beyond. I'd read they held on to Carney to maybe keep him out of the hands of other teams.....Cowboys maybe, a week earlier.

There is a saying that luck occurs when preparation meets opportunity. The opportunity is there. Are the Texans prepared?

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If they did carry him to keep him away from the Cowboys, that was a very savvy move that almost played out perfectly.

Texan_Bill
12-23-2009, 09:48 AM
I guess this explains the team's "commitment" to Kris Brown.

Are we sure Bob McNair is a "hands off" owner?

Who ever said Bob was a "hands off" owner? I think he's extremely involved with his organization.

As far as being committed to KB, they extended him based on last season's performance.

Runner
12-23-2009, 09:54 AM
As far as being committed to KB, they extended him based on last season's performance.

I don't have a problem with the extension; I certainly didn't at the time. That isn't the issue with me.

I do question if the Texans will be handcuffed by that extension, and for how long, based on Brown's current performance.

Texan_Bill
12-23-2009, 10:40 AM
I don't have a problem with the extension; I certainly didn't at the time. That isn't the issue with me.

I do question if the Texans will be handcuffed by that extension, and for how long, based on Brown's current performance.

Damn the handcuffs. At the end of the day, Kris should have some competition and earn his spot next season. I have no problems with eating that $2.5 against the cap if he's not up to it.

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Kris is a great guy (and very charitable for people that don't know) and he's had a pretty good career. That said.....

Bottom line is you have to make your kicks. With Kris, it's not a question of leg strength. It's in his head. The 52 yarder he missed at the end of the first half last week didn't lack for distance. It lacked accuracy.... in a dome no less, where wind isn't really a factor. He's got to figure it out or quite simply his days as a Texan are over..... Well not really, 'cause he's a Texan by birth.

imatexan
12-25-2009, 12:41 PM
Chris Brown the running back will be gone next year.

KB will have competition brought in next year.

These I promise.
:shades:

SheTexan
12-26-2009, 09:43 AM
Chris Brown the running back will be gone next year.

KB will have competition brought in next year.

These I promise.
:shades:

Will you loan me your crystal ball? :fortune:

Runner
12-26-2009, 11:19 AM
I guess the Texans are going with Kris Brown. I'll say this before it possibly happens - Kubiak and management shouldn't get credit for putting the team "in a position to win" if they trot Kris Brown out for a game winning field goal this Sunday.

jaayteetx
01-03-2010, 01:30 PM
missed fg, missed XP.....hope it don't cost us, either way, he'll be gone next year

J_R
01-03-2010, 01:34 PM
Is he trash or is he trash? Gary, this is no longer a slump that he's gotta work through.

Lord willing we pick up a kicker if we lord willing make the playoffs.

Hookem Horns
01-03-2010, 01:36 PM
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.

jaayteetx
01-03-2010, 01:39 PM
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.

I'm not bashing the guy, just seeing the writing on the wall. He's been a good but not great kicker up to this point. Think its all mental at this point, I hope he gets it fixed but I'm not sure it will happen.

Cjeremy635
01-03-2010, 01:40 PM
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.

Not trying to be a dick here, but you're not bashing Kubiak with your soap? Man's been a good citizen here as well and he turned the team around. Where's your compasion for him? I'm not talking about calling someone names, I'm talking about calling someone out for their failures. That's a fair thing to do IMHO. I'm not calling for the guy to be beaten to death with bats or anything, just do your job and execute.

Texans Pride
01-03-2010, 01:41 PM
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.


I understand that he's an original Texan, and that there are many people on this board that are close to him, however, I do not believe he becomes exonerated for those reasons. No player is above criticism....David Carr certainly wasn't, Mario Williams, and Matt Schaub haven't been. As a matter of fact, Kubiak himself has been a walking door mat for over half a season.

This guy is screwing up...He has missed game losing/OT kicks, and now kicks that could come back to hunt us.

As Solomon Wilcots just said, "Kris Brown as robbed the Houston Texans to take a lead or secure momentum."

OFF with his cleats!

Edit....I also think Kubiak is just as much responsible for those missed kicks...He chose to let Brown "work through it," and so far all that has equated to are numerous missed opportunities. Let's bring in some competition, instead, he wanted to hold regard for Brown's feelings.

GuerillaBlack
01-03-2010, 01:41 PM
I'm not bashing the guy, just seeing the writing on the wall. He's been a good but not great kicker up to this point. Think its all mental at this point, I hope he gets it fixed but I'm not sure it will happen.

He's good, until playoff chances come into play. Happens to every team he has been on.

Hookem Horns
01-03-2010, 01:43 PM
I'm not bashing the guy, just seeing the writing on the wall. He's been a good but not great kicker up to this point. Think its all mental at this point, I hope he gets it fixed but I'm not sure it will happen.

I hear ya and didn't take your post as bashing.

SoCalTexanFan
01-03-2010, 01:46 PM
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.

Sorry but all these guys have relatives and are solid citizens. I think all the Texan fans are pulling for Kris Brown but he's NOT getting the job done. 56 yarders are understandable but XPs? He probably could use a change next year because the pressure of loosing games in your HOME? town has to be killing him. Plus, unless he's giving back the $2.5 million I think the Texans and FANS (season ticket holders) deserve better.

Hookem Horns
01-03-2010, 01:48 PM
Not trying to be a dick here, but you're not bashing Kubiak with your soap? Man's been a good citizen here as well and he turned the team around. Where's your compasion for him? I'm not talking about calling someone names, I'm talking about calling someone out for their failures. That's a fair thing to do IMHO. I'm not calling for the guy to be beaten to death with bats or anything, just do your job and execute.


I don't think Kubiak is the guy to get it done here. Obviously the same is true of Kris Brown. However I am not calling either "trash" and taking personal shots at them.

BTW, Kubiak has not been as effective as a head coach as Kris Brown has been as a kicker IMO.

DiapHer
01-03-2010, 01:58 PM
He's good, until playoff chances come into play. Happens to every team he has been on.


Could you please elaborate on this statement?

Runner
01-03-2010, 02:04 PM
I guess the Texans are going with Kris Brown. I'll say this before it possibly happens - Kubiak and management shouldn't get credit for putting the team "in a position to win" if they trot Kris Brown out for a game winning field goal this Sunday.

There is a reason to cut him now. That reason is that he has a recent and very real history of missing important kicks. If the team is committed to winning they should try to mitigate that risk. If the team wants to hold onto him for a training camp battle, they need to bench him and bring in another kicker.

If they just roll along, then the team has indicated that "we would have won the game if he had made the kick" (i.e. good enough) is acceptable. Bringing in a kicker with a better chance to make the kick* and win (i.e. commitment to excellence) isn't where the team is at.


* Brown is in a bad slump right now. Rick Smith should be able to find a better option for the next two games.

My opinion hasn't changed.

Commitment to winning?

Hookem Horns
01-03-2010, 02:05 PM
He's good, until playoff chances come into play. Happens to every team he has been on.

When have the Texans ever been in a position to make the playoffs after week 10 before this season?

welsh texan
01-03-2010, 02:10 PM
Guys gotta go, he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, especially not in a pressure game.

SoCalTexanFan
01-03-2010, 02:11 PM
KB may cost Kubiak his job. Kubiak sticking with KB after the Colts games was a coaching decision.

jerek
01-03-2010, 02:11 PM
Does Kris Brown owe the mob money? WTF?

Carr Bombed
01-03-2010, 02:11 PM
Draft a freaking kicker........I don't care if we have to take one in the first round at this point. Kubiak aside....Kris Brown has single handedly cost us a playoff birth.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2010, 02:12 PM
This is on the organization and their "nice" ways. Winning teams try to improve. Their willingness to let him lose games is ridiculous

Texans Pride
01-03-2010, 02:13 PM
Draft a freaking kicker........I don't care if we have to take one in the first round at this point. Kubiak aside.....

Well let's not start getting too crazy!

BigTimeTexanFan
01-03-2010, 02:13 PM
Chris Brown!!!

Third missed kick this game. I say just go for two point conversions and 4th down if we're within field goal range because you certainly cannot count on the kicking game.

Runner
01-03-2010, 02:14 PM
I'm sure the Texans will perform a plodding, methodical analysis of the kicking game after the season is over.

Insideop
01-03-2010, 02:20 PM
Well, it's the 3rd quarter and KB just missed another FG. That's 2 missed FG's and a missed EP so far in this game. I know this is all in his head, but enough is enough already. I know he's an original Texan but it's time for him to leave. And take the other Brown with you!

Goatcheese
01-03-2010, 02:24 PM
The first FG was a roll of the dice from 55+ yards. The other two are prime examples of why Brown has to go.

Hookem Horns
01-03-2010, 02:26 PM
KB may cost Kubiak his job. Kubiak sticking with KB after the Colts games was a coaching decision.

To me that is Kubiak costing Kubiak his job.

stevo3883
01-03-2010, 02:29 PM
What can Brown do for us?

BLOW THE SEASON!

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TheDrifter
01-03-2010, 03:16 PM
Maybe we should switch them up.

As I recall, Kris runs pretty good for a kicker, and there is no way Chris could be much worse kicking...

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01-03-2010, 03:23 PM
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How do you really feel?

Showtime100
01-03-2010, 03:27 PM
Kris Brown sucks
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Just thought of The Shining. Shelly Duvall finally reads what you've been writing all this time runs like Hell. :eek: :D

Goatcheese
01-03-2010, 03:28 PM
It's Krismiss time at Reliant. Next up, New Kicker Eve.

HJam72
01-03-2010, 03:29 PM
Should I keep my sig? :thinking:

Mari-OWNED!
01-03-2010, 03:31 PM
They better bring in A LOT of competition for him in next season's training camp.

If he wins the starting job then I won't complain.

houstonspartan
01-03-2010, 03:39 PM
McNair was consoling Kris Brown after the game. He has job security for life.

Pathethic.

Malloy
01-03-2010, 03:42 PM
I want us to get rid of KB tonight, get some damn ex-college kicker and sign him... Hell, give Morten Andersen a call, I know he retired, but if we're REALLY lucky and get in the PO's he wont be able to pass up the offer :)

Morten Andersen for kicker, right here, right now! :)

eriadoc
01-03-2010, 03:48 PM
BTW, Kubiak has not been as effective as a head coach as Kris Brown has been as a kicker IMO.

Untrue (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1307956#post1307956). Kris Brown has been a poor kicker in his Texans career. He has a career average of 77.8% going into this season, which is in the bottom 25% of all NFL kickers. That number's gone down. Kubiak is not in the bottom 25% of coaches in the NFL, even if he isn't the guy to get the job done here.

2slik4u
01-03-2010, 03:50 PM
Draft a freaking kicker........I don't care if we have to take one in the first round at this point. Kubiak aside....Kris Brown has single handedly cost us a playoff birth.

Yeah i hate to say that we should draft a kicker but NE drafted Gostkowski and you see how that worked out. He wins games for them, Brown loses games for us. Sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and do it.

Thorn
01-03-2010, 03:53 PM
It's Krismiss time at Reliant. Next up, New Kicker Eve.

LOL. Good one.

Runner
01-03-2010, 03:54 PM
I want us to get rid of KB tonight, get some damn ex-college kicker and sign him... Hell, give Morten Andersen a call, I know he retired, but if we're REALLY lucky and get in the PO's he wont be able to pass up the offer :)

Morten Andersen for kicker, right here, right now! :)


Carney is still available as far as I know.

Mari-OWNED!
01-03-2010, 04:30 PM
Carney is still available as far as I know.

He's the kicking consultant for the Saints so he's not available.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8153a3e1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

GP
01-03-2010, 04:34 PM
Does anyone have Ian Howfield on speed dial?

Or anyone with the last name Zendejas or Grammatica?

dc_txtech
01-03-2010, 04:58 PM
I say we give the guy another shot.....

jk:hides:

GP
01-03-2010, 05:00 PM
Makes a person wonder if our offense nutted up when they knew they couldn't count on Kris Brown's foot to help them win the game.

That'll grow up an offense in a hurry.

They didn't want to hear the Reliant Stadium boos if they failed to get a TD and then lost because of missed FGs and an extra point.

PapaL
01-03-2010, 05:08 PM
I'll take Mike Vanderjagt right about now...including the drunkenness.

Scooter
01-03-2010, 05:53 PM
kris brown's done. as a kicker, there's really not much of a chance for the comeback necessary mentally ... especially at his age. i'm really suprised he lasted this long. his mechanics are flawed, have been flawed for most of his career, and couldnt be more obviously irreversable as he proved today (he dang near stepped on the ball with his plant foot on the failed extra point).

kris brown has 2 problems. 1)his psyche is shot. it'd be near impossible to regain the self-assuredness required to do the job at his age. 2)like i've said before, his mechanics (namely his approach) are FUBAR. there's a reason kickers take measured steps back and to the side before the snap - the approach dictates your plant foot which is everything. it is the simplest motion in football, and at the same time the most difficult ... the slightest fraction off alters the entire kicking motion to compensate.

his missed extra point is a perfect (and exaggerated) example of kris brown's problem ... his "hitch in his giddy-up" or "bounce in his step" or whatever you want to call it makes it impossible to plant with any consistancy. that flawed step like with the extra point showed up being WAY too far inside, forcing him to compensate with a somewhat roundhouse kick and a monster pull. for his 3rd miss, he did the same but instead of crossing through the ball for a pull, he overcompensated with a straight or "top-down" or "inside-out" kick (as he did in every other attempt) which resulted in a slice to his outside.

Mari-OWNED!
01-03-2010, 06:05 PM
Kris Brown...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4

m5kwatts
01-03-2010, 11:00 PM
He was awful again today and his confidence is clearly shot.... I for one hope at the very least we have a kicker compete with him next year in camp...that is if he's not cut. His extension brought his cap number up and I really don't see the logic in keeping him, we can pay a guy league minimum to miss the kicks Brown has missed.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-04-2010, 04:41 AM
Seems like the Pats always have good kicker. We may need to ask their opinion as to how to find good kicker.

Bubbajwp
01-04-2010, 06:21 AM
Seems like the Pats always have good kicker. We may need to ask their opinion as to how to find good kicker.

How about we just sign there's. Gostkowski is a FA.

FirstTexansFan
01-04-2010, 06:50 AM
Well as much as I regret attempting to defend KB, here it is. Just like a golfer, kickers can develop bad habits, it's not the end of the world. Kris has been a suitable kicker for this team for 8 of the 9yrs he's been here. If we go back to Kris's days as a kicker for the Steelers, we'd see he had a bad last year there. My wife is the ultimate Steeler fan, (I know, but it's my life) she laughed when we got KB, said he was the epitome of suckage. Maybe it was Heinze Field, but whatever it was, he cured it for a long time in a Texans uniform. Get the boy a shrink, someone give him some tips, and bring in other kickers to apply the pressure, lets see whats left in his tank, he may surprise all of us with a comeback :)

jerek
01-04-2010, 07:27 AM
Gotta say it ... a kicker has one job. You can't fail at that one job so miserably.

He's a vet, sure, but he's got no real upside right now. Not an incredible leg, sure as hell not accurate.

He cost us two games this year and damn near a third. I'm not sure that the broken can be fixed, but at the very least, draft a kicker who will give him serious competition.

TexansBlood
01-04-2010, 08:34 AM
wow

MannyFresh
01-04-2010, 08:43 AM
K/Chris Brown both have to be cut today.....send a message.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 08:47 AM
In my opinion kickers are interchangeable for the most part...save maybe 4 top guys. The Cowboys in the 90s had a top kicking coach and they seemed to bring in a new journeyman per year and somehow he ended up being nails. There are probably 5-6 guys out there sitting at home as good as Kris Brown. Guys just need to have confidence and get coached up on technique. It is no shame to lose yoru mojo after being consistent. It happens.

gtexan02
01-04-2010, 08:50 AM
I say we kick him to the curb immediately.

Football is a business, and he's not doing his job. He was given the entire season to turn it around, and on the last game of the regular season, he missed an extra point. Thats the end of it.

I hope he's out by noon today

eriadoc
01-04-2010, 08:53 AM
In my opinion kickers are interchangeable for the most part...save maybe 4 top guys. The Cowboys in the 90s had a top kicking coach and they seemed to bring in a new journeyman per year and somehow he ended up being nails. There are probably 5-6 guys out there sitting at home as good as Kris Brown. Guys just need to have confidence and get coached up on technique. It is no shame to lose yoru mojo after being consistent. It happens.

Consistent? I guess .... Six of the past nine seasons he hasn't even achieved his rather low career percentage of 77.3%. That's pretty consistent, alright.

keyser
01-04-2010, 08:59 AM
The Cowboys in the 90s had a top kicking coach and they seemed to bring in a new journeyman per year and somehow he ended up being nails.

I believe the Cowboys were and remain the only team to have had a dedicated kicking coach (where that was his only job). It was obviously paying off at the time for them - you're right, they had a string of out-of-nowhere really solid kickers, and I think that coach was the main reason. I am surprised that no other teams that I know of have gone this route (a dedicated kicking coach), and even the Cowboys have stopped having one. I know it's a lot to invest in one player/position, but it is such a critical part of the game (and coaches' salaries don't count against the cap) that I would think more teams would have tried it.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 08:59 AM
Consistent? I guess .... Six of the past nine seasons he hasn't even achieved his rather low career percentage of 77.3%. That's pretty consistent, alright.

Sorry, I didn't mean in his career completely or even here all years. Just considering the team had him for 8 years he is considered a "consistent roster spot." I agree that he hasn't had an illustrious career if you take away 2-3 years. But your point makes mine even more....they are interchangeable and people shouldn't be so attached to him. You can bring in many other guys.

Texan_Bill
01-04-2010, 09:05 AM
Could you please elaborate on this statement?

Way to sport the Harry J, avatar. ;)

GP
01-04-2010, 09:07 AM
I think it's possible that he just doesn't want to do it anymore.

If you don't enjoy what you do, you can sort of sabotage yourself without even knowing it or without doing it on purpose, at least.

Nobody's going to want him after the season he's had here.

I didn't realize that his percentage was as low as had been mentioned on here. I know he's not the best in the game, but I had always thought of him as being a good kicker.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 09:24 AM
I've been on Kris' side a majority of the season, but good Lord, man! Some could argue that this cat alone cost us a reasonable shot at the playoffs. Sure, two missed kicks were just to send the game to OT, but we'll never know what might have happened.

Teams like Dallas and Washington whack their kickers during the season for poor play, but we hang on to Brown, who's been statistically the worst kicker in the league this year.

IMO, the kicker position is now an off-season priority. I'm just upset we just gave the guy a new 4 year contract.

silvrhand
01-04-2010, 09:30 AM
I've been on Kris' side a majority of the season, but good Lord, man! Some could argue that this cat alone cost us a reasonable shot at the playoffs. Sure, two missed kicks were just to send the game to OT, but we'll never know what might have happened.

Teams like Dallas and Washington whack their kickers during the season for poor play, but we hang on to Brown, who's been statistically the worst kicker in the league this year.

IMO, the kicker position is now an off-season priority. I'm just upset we just gave the guy a new 4 year contract.

Kubiak protects his players, this is a well known fact, but there is no doubt the team has lost confidence in him, and more importantly Kris has lost confidence in his own abilities.

We'll bring in a kicker and he'll win the job, and I'm sure there has to be some sort of "you suck" clause in his contract extension to where we can walk away for a reduced cost.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-04-2010, 09:55 PM
How about we just sign there's. Gostkowski is a FA.

That's a plan. But seriously, we really need to bring some kickers to competition doesn't matter FA or Rook(Draft or UDFA).

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 10:04 PM
Kubiak protects his players, this is a well known fact, but there is no doubt the team has lost confidence in him, and more importantly Kris has lost confidence in his own abilities.

We'll bring in a kicker and he'll win the job, and I'm sure there has to be some sort of "you suck" clause in his contract extension to where we can walk away for a reduced cost.

Great point. I hadn't even thought of that. Yeah, there probably is a performance clause that lets them walk away cheaply. That may make it easier for them to cut him.

Great point.