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TheRealJoker
12-20-2009, 11:01 PM
I do not understand why the Texans use AJ as a decoy inside the 10 yard line (if they don't take him off the field altogether). He's built for the fade route to the back of the endzone. Yet the coaches are content to let AJ and Schaub play pitch and catch across the field so they can outsmart themselves once the field gets smaller.

Kubiak: We really have been moving the ball, another great catch by AJ!!!

Lil Shanny: Yeah!!! Now lets get the ball in Chris "doo doo" Brown's hands to finish them off!!!

Kubiak: Great idea buddy!!! Teams always try to stop AJ and can't seem to get the job done, but I am sure if we try to throw it to him in the endzone they're gonna be able to stop him!!!

Lil Shanny: That's right Kubes... We gotta outsmart them!!!

mariowillshine15
12-20-2009, 11:06 PM
I do not understand why the Texans use AJ as a decoy inside the 10 yard line (if they don't take him off the field altogether). He's built for the fade route to the back of the endzone. Yet the coaches are content to let AJ and Schaub play pitch and catch across the field so they can outsmart themselves once the field gets smaller.

Kubiak: We really have been moving the ball, another great catch by AJ!!!

Lil Shanny: Yeah!!! Now lets get the ball in Chris "doo doo" Brown's hands to finish them off!!!

Kubiak: Great idea buddy!!! Teams always try to stop AJ and can't seem to get the job done, but I am sure if we try to throw it to him in the endzone they're gonna be able to stop him!!!

Lil Shanny: That's right Kubes... We gotta outsmart them!!!


AJ:Chris Brown?!!!! Chris Brown gets the ball before me?!!! Mother#$%^&*!!!!

Goatcheese
12-20-2009, 11:08 PM
You forgot where they told Dreesen to drop a TD pass. That was a critical part of the gameplan.

IlliniJen
12-20-2009, 11:09 PM
AJ:Chris Brown?!!!! Chris Brown gets the ball before me?!!! Mother#$%^&*!!!!

It's like inviting the slow kid to the debate team over the brainiac. Makes no damn sense.

J_R
12-20-2009, 11:11 PM
This might be one of the times AJ is talking about.

“There are times they do things that have me scratching my head,” Johnson said. “I can't lie about that. I mean, really scratching my head.”

hookinreds
12-20-2009, 11:20 PM
I don't care who they get the ball too, but please for the love of all that is holy, please make an attempt to get the ball to someone in the end zone at least once when you are inside the 10.

Oh yea...and why try it three times...let's kill one of our plays immediately by handing it to Chris Brown.

Very poor decision making on personnel on the field as well as play calling is what is killing this team, not the players. Foster should have at least been back on the field in the second half.

Hey Gary, you proved your point, you don't like fumbles...I don't like them either...but I'll go with the odds that Foster will get at least a freaking TD at some point in the game...something that Chris Brown is guaranteed not to do.

We know that it will be three and out if you give Chris Brown the ball...why not let Foster and Moats help you move the ball down the field...the chances of them fumbling are less than Chris Brown helping the team at any freaking point.

Lucky
12-20-2009, 11:27 PM
“There are times they do things that have me scratching my head,” Johnson said. “I can't lie about that. I mean, really scratching my head.”
Andre Johnson's such a whiner....

TheIronDuke
12-20-2009, 11:32 PM
It's sick the way that Kubes can not figure out that AJ can be effective inside the 20. Another reason he deserves to be canned, IMO.

MFG16
12-20-2009, 11:44 PM
Come on now dont be to hard on 'em lol. but to thier defense its not all bad play calling. If joel can freakin catch a ball his paid to catch its a great play call.

IlliniJen
12-20-2009, 11:45 PM
I don't care who they get the ball too, but please for the love of all that is holy, please make an attempt to get the ball to someone in the end zone at least once when you are inside the 10.

Oh yea...and why try it three times...let's kill one of our plays immediately by handing it to Chris Brown.

Very poor decision making on personnel on the field as well as play calling is what is killing this team, not the players. Foster should have at least been back on the field in the second half.

Hey Gary, you proved your point, you don't like fumbles...I don't like them either...but I'll go with the odds that Foster will get at least a freaking TD at some point in the game...something that Chris Brown is guaranteed not to do.

We know that it will be three and out if you give Chris Brown the ball...why not let Foster and Moats help you move the ball down the field...the chances of them fumbling are less than Chris Brown helping the team at any freaking point.

That's what I don't get. You have a kid that you need to evaluate, and from what we've seen so far, regardless of the fumble, he's a much better RB than Brown. Okay, that's not saying much, but I would have loved to see if Foster could have mustered more than 2.2 YPC.

BUT KUBES SURE SHOWED FOSTER! TEACH THAT BOY A LESSON!!

Put me squarely in the "let us see what Foster can do" camp and leave Brown off the team flight back to Houston. Strand that guy in St. Louis.

TimeKiller
12-21-2009, 09:09 AM
"CB's 0 yard gains set up the play action passes that work so well"

Yeah but what if someone could gain 2 or 3? Mega play action?

"CB's the best pass blocking RB"

Yeah but he's the worst RB. In the league.

"Veteran"

Of suck.

"Doesn't lose the football"

Except on the goalline at the end of games or when he's doing an impression of Jay Cutler.

Put me in the "I'm a better RB than Chris Brown is" camp.

mussop
12-21-2009, 09:22 AM
posted this in another thread fits good here so


Kubiak is sub par in every major aspect of coaching, Game planning, game management and personell decisions are his achillies heal. If he had improved in any of those areas over the last 4 years this teams playoff hopes wouldnt be in someone elses hands. The talent is here it just needs better direction.

Kubiak starts Chriss Brown and throws half back passes and throws balls in the endzone to everyone but our best player AJ. When he finally decides to make Johnson the focal point we take off. Too bad we had to loose four games in a row for him to figure it out. Now one week later he feeds AJ the ball and its working great and moving the chains so what does he do when we get in the redzone? Tries to run up the middle (our biggest weakness) then pass to our backup TE.

That is how Kubiak coaches. He doesnt pay attention to the situation. He puts the ball in the wrong players hands at the wrong time. Its as if he doesnt even consider whos playing the postion he intends the ball to go to. You have to get the ball in your best players hands when it matters the most.

Its been four years and he still hasnt figured that out yet. So you see its not the players faults for making mistakes at criticle times costing the team, its Kubiaks for putting the ball the wrong players hands in those situations.

Until I see Kubiak stop making the same mistakes over and over you'll never convince me he is a good coach. Im not falling for the excuses anymore.

Corrosion
12-21-2009, 09:24 AM
If Dresson doesnt drop a gimmie TD that hit him right between the numbers - we arent having this conversation. They executed that play to perfection - accept for catching the damn ball.

The reason they use AJ as a decoy in the red zone is simple - when he has a larger field to work with , its much easier for him to flat out beat people - when you are in the red zone , there isnt as much space to work with. I have no problem with the play called -

I have a problem with an NFL TE dropping a ball that hit him in the numbers.

dalemurphy
12-21-2009, 09:38 AM
If Dresson doesnt drop a gimmie TD that hit him right between the numbers - we arent having this conversation. They executed that play to perfection - accept for catching the damn ball.

The reason they use AJ as a decoy in the red zone is simple - when he has a larger field to work with , its much easier for him to flat out beat people - when you are in the red zone , there isnt as much space to work with. I have no problem with the play called -

I have a problem with an NFL TE dropping a ball that hit him in the numbers.


Also, for some reason, we are very poor executing the fade route in the red zone. AJ and Walter both have allowed defenders to pick the ball off and Schaub struggles with that short jump ball throw as well. I don't know why.

Corrosion
12-21-2009, 09:49 AM
Also, for some reason, we are very poor executing the fade route in the red zone. AJ and Walter both have allowed defenders to pick the ball off and Schaub struggles with that short jump ball throw as well. I don't know why.

I think thats on Schaub .... he has to throw the ball where only his reciever can make a play on it , otherwise it falls incomplete or out of bounds.

This fact may be a big part of why the Texans choose to make some of these odd calls in the red zone .....

scourge
12-21-2009, 09:51 AM
It's like inviting the slow kid to the debate team over the brainiac. Makes no damn sense.

Funny you mention that, we just hired someone far less qualified than other applicants for our department. I know why, but it's still idiotic.

mussop
12-21-2009, 09:53 AM
If Dresson doesnt drop a gimmie TD that hit him right between the numbers - we arent having this conversation. They executed that play to perfection - accept for catching the damn ball.

The reason they use AJ as a decoy in the red zone is simple - when he has a larger field to work with , its much easier for him to flat out beat people - when you are in the red zone , there isnt as much space to work with. I have no problem with the play called -
I have a problem with an NFL TE dropping a ball that hit him in the numbers.

I will tell you who did have a problem with it, Andre Johnson. Did you see his reaction on the sideline after the play?

hookinreds
12-21-2009, 10:45 AM
If Dresson doesnt drop a gimmie TD that hit him right between the numbers - we arent having this conversation. They executed that play to perfection - accept for catching the damn ball.

The reason they use AJ as a decoy in the red zone is simple - when he has a larger field to work with , its much easier for him to flat out beat people - when you are in the red zone , there isnt as much space to work with. I have no problem with the play called -

I have a problem with an NFL TE dropping a ball that hit him in the numbers.

I disagree...so your thinking is that it takes more space for AJ to get open than it does any of our other players? Making AJ a "decoy" only works if you have used him as the primary, kind of like play action...which also baffles me as to why teams don't completely avandon run D and have their DE pin their ears back and go for the sack every time...even if we do run CB is only going to fall for a 2 yard gain. Play action only works when you can run the ball...or at least it's supposed to be that way. AJ is only a decoy when we throw him the freaking ball in the endzone at some point inside the 20.

Corrosion
12-21-2009, 10:45 AM
I will tell you who did have a problem with it, Andre Johnson. Did you see his reaction on the sideline after the play?

Did he have a problem with the play called - or the fact that one of his teammates dropped a gimmie ? The play was well designed , the ball was well thrown - he flat out dropped a gimmie.

As a coach in the NFL you have to EXPECT that guy to make a play. This aint the half back option we're talkin bout here. That was a solid playcall.

hookinreds
12-21-2009, 10:46 AM
...and another thing...AJ is open even when he isn't open.

mussop
12-21-2009, 10:53 AM
Did he have a problem with the play called - or the fact that one of his teammates dropped a gimmie ? The play was well designed , the ball was well thrown - he flat out dropped a gimmie.

As a coach in the NFL you have to EXPECT that guy to make a play. This aint the half back option we're talkin bout here. That was a solid playcall.

Whatever! AJ (the best WR in the NFL) had been tearing it up and you want to throw the ball to a second string TE? That is a solid play call? What about the 2 plays before that? Were they solid play calls as well? Good coaches get the ball to their playmakers when it really matters. Kubiak and the Texans will never be good until he figures that out.

hookinreds
12-21-2009, 10:55 AM
Whatever! AJ (the best WR in the NFL) had been tearing it up and you want to throw the ball to a second string TE? That is a solid play call? What about the 2 plays before that? Were they solid play calls as well? Good coaches get the ball to their playmakers when it really matters. Kubiak and the Texans will never be good until he figures that out.

Solid play call is right. I'm fine with that play...after all we tried to put the ball in the endzone. 85 has to make that catch.

Corrosion
12-21-2009, 10:58 AM
I disagree...so your thinking is that it takes more space for AJ to get open than it does any of our other players?


Not at all my point - AJ can beat anyone at any time - Given the fact that he has so much MORE SPACE to operate in between the 20's he is that much MORE LIKELY to beat the coverage. When you shrink the field (in the red zone) the margin for error on the part of the coverage becomes greater as they have less space to cover.
AJ is consistantly double covered in the red zone. Its tough to beat double coverage in a tight space - That leaves single coverage on most everyone else - Someone has to make a damn play - Dresson catching that ball ....



Making AJ a "decoy" only works if you have used him as the primary, kind of like play action...which also baffles me as to why teams don't completely avandon run D and have their DE pin their ears back and go for the sack every time...even if we do run CB is only going to fall for a 2 yard gain. Play action only works when you can run the ball...or at least it's supposed to be that way. AJ is only a decoy when we throw him the freaking ball in the endzone at some point inside the 20.

I think the reason teams dont do exactly that is the threat of screen plays. Screens are the best way to take advantage of an overly aggressive defensive front. (Not that the Texans utilized the screen effectively yesterday).

hookinreds
12-21-2009, 11:03 AM
Not at all my point - AJ can beat anyone at any time - Given the fact that he has so much MORE SPACE to operate in between the 20's he is that much MORE LIKELY to beat the coverage. When you shrink the field (in the red zone) the margin for error on the part of the coverage becomes greater as they have less space to cover.
AJ is consistantly double covered in the red zone. Its tough to beat double coverage in a tight space - That leaves single coverage on most everyone else - Someone has to make a damn play - Dresson catching that ball ....




I think the reason teams dont do exactly that is the threat of screen plays. Screens are the best way to take advantage of an overly aggressive defensive front. (Not that the Texans utilized the screen effectively yesterday).

Your statements are nearlly 100% flawless...problem is we are talking about the Texans here.

I've seen too far many times where AJ is lined up 1x1 and don't think that #8 has the authority to abandon the 22 dive.

Yea...I was commenting yesterday to the crowd at Pluckers that anytime Kubiak wants to dump off a RB screen or TE screen over the middle would really kick ass. He absolutley never does it and I don't know why, it's sooo set up for it.

Corrosion
12-21-2009, 11:10 AM
Your statements are nearlly 100% flawless...problem is we are talking about the Texans here.

I've seen too far many times where AJ is lined up 1x1 and don't think that #8 has the authority to abandon the 22 dive.

Yea...I was commenting yesterday to the crowd at Pluckers that anytime Kubiak wants to dump off a RB screen or TE screen over the middle would really kick ass. He absolutley never does it and I don't know why, it's sooo set up for it.

If I were to complain about anything - the lack of freedom given Schaub pre-snap would be it. We saw the same thing with HWWNBM .... I can understand why he wasnt allowed to think for himself. Audibles and adjustments is something this team really needs to work on in the offseason. Those audibles sure work well or the Dolts ....