View Full Version : Big 10 Looking to add another to make 12

12-17-2009, 04:54 PM
Looks like Notre Dame just shrugged the offer to join and prefer to stay independent. Pretty stupid if you ask me, but I think probably the NBC contract kept them from joining.

I've heard rumblings they might consider inviting Missouri. Don't see why Missouri would want to leave the Big 12 though.

Also heard the possibility of Syracuse and Rutgers.

Anyone else hear anything through the grapevine?

12-17-2009, 05:02 PM
Pac 10 might also be looking to expand to 12.

Joe Texan
12-17-2009, 05:03 PM
It appears to me if they had another they would be at 11 they would have to add a 2nother

12-17-2009, 05:04 PM
It appears to me if they had another they would be at 11 they would have to add a 2nother

The Big 10 actually has 11 schools. The PAC 10 is likely looking for 2 schools to go to 12

12-17-2009, 05:29 PM
Pac 10 might also be looking to expand to 12.

Didn't hear as loud rumblings about that as the Big 10 looking to expand.

From what I've heard they are looking to expand into new markets. Missouri would give them the St. Louis area then Rutgers and Syracuse would get them into New York.

From ESPN looks like Mizzou would entertain the offer to join. Why I'm still not sure. I don't think the Big 10 is a better conference then the Big 12 and Mizzou has proved they can play in it.

I don't think Syracuse would want to leave the Big East considering it has grown into possibly even better then the ACC in basketball. I said once Miami and Va Tech left the Big East it would survive as a good basketball conference.

PAC 10 expansion would be interesting. I mean do they go after MWC schools? Like say a Utah, BYU or TCU?

12-17-2009, 06:40 PM
I've also heard Pitt in years past.

Kaiser Toro
12-17-2009, 06:50 PM
All schools mentioned are plausible. I bet Rutgers makes a ridiculous push to be included and in my opinion would have a strong win-win outcome.

12-17-2009, 07:13 PM
All schools mentioned are plausible. I bet Rutgers makes a ridiculous push to be included and in my opinion would have a strong win-win outcome.

I think Rutgers would be a win-win for both parties as well.

Wonder who the Big East would pick up.

12-17-2009, 07:18 PM
Good article by Stewart Mandel of Sports Illustrated as to why expansion for the Big Ten might not be such a great idea.


Contrary to what many assume, a Big Ten championship game would not necessarily be a cash cow. The SEC's event -- by far the most successful of its kind -- generated $14.3 million in shared revenue last season ($1.2 million per team). The ACC's, which has been a disappointing disaster, hovers closer to $5 million. Even if we assume the Big Ten's loot comes in closer to the SEC's, that's still a drop in the bucket compared to the league's two biggest revenue generators: regular-season television deals and BCS/bowl payouts.

The Big Ten does not publicly release revenue-sharing figures, but it's been reported that its rights deals with ABC/ESPN and the Big Ten Network generate about $212 million annually. (That's in addition to the league's direct profits from its jointly owned network.) Add in this season's two BCS berths ($22.3 million) and five other bowl berths (about $14 million), and we're talking a minimally estimated $248.3 million in shared revenue, or $22.6 million per team.

Therefore, any potential 12th team would have to add $22.6 million in "value" to renegotiated TV and bowl deals to prevent the others from losing money. With all due respect to Missouri, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Rutgers (the most commonly discussed candidates), there's only one viable school that could guarantee that kind of gold mine: Notre Dame. The Irish rejected the Big Ten's last invitation in 1999, and the school has given no indication it's willing to reconsider.

Then there are the potential on-field ramifications. Would the exposure from a conference championship game help a potential BCS contender from the Big Ten? Possibly. But the game could also produce the opposite effect.

While Big Ten teams have taken their lumps on the field, they aren't exactly hurting for consideration. The league has produced a second BCS berth more often than any other conference (nine times in 12 years), including each of the past five seasons. If this year's Ohio State-Iowa showdown, played Nov. 14, had taken place in a league title game three weeks later, the 10-2 Hawkeyes likely wouldn't be playing in the Orange Bowl. Oklahoma in 2003, Alabama in 2008 and Florida in 2009 are the only title-game losers ever to receive BCS at-large berths, and all three entered their title games undefeated.

If the league loses more than one at-large berth (currently worth $4.5 million) over a four-year period, that extra championship-game revenue becomes a wash.

12-17-2009, 07:23 PM
I am feeling Pitt or Rutgers here.

12-17-2009, 08:55 PM
I've also heard Pitt in years past.

I've heard that this is the most likely to happen if they actually do decide to expand.

12-18-2009, 09:13 AM
i thought the Big 10 just wanted the Ohio State/Michigan game to be the final one every year

12-21-2009, 01:35 PM
I think they should add a 12th school and have a championship game like other conferences.

Syracuse or Rutgers will give them some NY market.

Notre Dame will not give up their 9+ million a year NBC contract to share the big 10's 20 million. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the 20 million is divided somehow by the 11 schools.

For the PAC10 I like Fresno State and Utah.

12-21-2009, 01:57 PM
The problem is, once you had the teams, how do you break up the conference into 2 divisions? And you have to do it without destroying rivalries. Some can be shifted, and they just play every year (like Oklahoma and Nebraska). But it gets tricky.