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Mean Machine
12-08-2009, 03:01 PM
Hey, I think Coach Kubes deserves one more year to get this team to where we all want it to be, and no one wants them there more than he does...the play-offs.

So let's finish strong this last 1/4 of the season, finish 9-7 and lets go for it all in 2010!

I like Coach Kubes, he's a good man, he's a Houstonian, he's a Texan, and he can do it!!!

He's go my support.

Go Texans!!!

drewmar74
12-08-2009, 03:02 PM
Want me to see if I can find out what date the cheerleader tryouts are for you?

mussop
12-08-2009, 03:03 PM
Where is the little emoticon throwing up?

HouSportsWriter
12-08-2009, 03:04 PM
Where is the little emoticon throwing up?


:bravo:

Hookem Horns
12-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Bring back David Carr!!!

FirstTexansFan
12-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Bring back David Carr!!!

Now I gotta rep for that :)

IlliniJen
12-08-2009, 03:09 PM
Please see the following thread: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67701 for other delusional fellows such as yourself.

Texecutioner
12-08-2009, 03:09 PM
Keep Chris Brown!!!! No one wants to make the playoffs more than Chris Brown!!!! He's a good man!!! :kitten:

IlliniJen
12-08-2009, 03:11 PM
Keep Chris Brown!!!! No one wants to make the playoffs more than Chris Brown!!!! He's a good man!!! :kitten:

I think the poor guy should get another opportunity to show he can pull off the HB pass in a must-score situation. Because Kubiak is right...low-percentage plays show how smart you are.

gary
12-08-2009, 03:13 PM
Please keep the water boy he wants to win more than any of us.

mariowillshine15
12-08-2009, 03:16 PM
Please keep the water boy he wants to win more than any of us.

We should make Chris Brown the water boy. Although theres a good chance he fumbles the cups and hands the water to the other team.

chicagotexan2
12-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Hey, I think Coach Kubes deserves one more year to get this team to where we all want it to be, and no one wants them there more than he does...the play-offs.

So let's finish strong this last 1/4 of the season, finish 9-7 and lets go for it all in 2010!

I like Coach Kubes, he's a good man, he's a Houstonian, he's a Texan, and he can do it!!!
He's go my support.

Go Texans!!!

These are some of the same reasons the VY fans wanted VY. These reasons are nice, but not good enough to make personnel decisions. Results matter and the results are average. Average has gotten old and the fanbase is getting apathetic.

barrett
12-08-2009, 03:24 PM
Keep Him.

phantom17
12-08-2009, 03:27 PM
:bat::barman:

gary
12-08-2009, 03:33 PM
We should make Chris Brown the water boy. Although theres a good chance he fumbles the cups and hands the water to the other team.He already has water on his hands when it comes to holding onto the football.

disaacks3
12-08-2009, 03:38 PM
Hey, I think Coach Kubes deserves one more year to get this team to where we all want it to be, and no one wants them there more than he does...the play-offs.

So let's finish strong this last 1/4 of the season, finish 9-7 and lets go for it all in 2010!

I like Coach Kubes, he's a good man, he's a Houstonian, he's a Texan, and he can do it!!!

He's go my support.

Go Texans!!!
I guess it comes down to what the word "deserves" means to you personally.

Ckw
12-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Want me to see if I can find out what date the cheerleader tryouts are for you?

:goodpost: Rep!

MannyFresh
12-08-2009, 03:43 PM
Would you like Ahman Green, Dominick Davis, too?

DexmanC
12-08-2009, 03:47 PM
Would you like Ahman Green, Dominick Davis, too?

I'd cut Vonta Leach, and call the DAYNE TRAIN. There's not a D-line
in the LEAGUE that can stop the Dayne/Brown combo from comin' at ya!!
:good::doot:

disaacks3
12-08-2009, 03:56 PM
I'd cut Vonta Leach, and call the DAYNE TRAIN. There's not a D-line
in the LEAGUE that can stop the Dayne/Brown combo from comin' at ya!!
:good::doot: Just make sure you've got spare O-Lineman for him to run over / injure as well.

Blake
12-08-2009, 04:00 PM
Cut him, keep him. Whatever. Just get me a #1 running back and starting safety.

badboy
12-08-2009, 04:22 PM
How about McNair keeping me as a good man and a good fan?

Silver Oak
12-08-2009, 04:26 PM
been awhile since we have seen such a split in the fan base on an issue.

maybe we need a thread where we could go on record for future debates, and say if you are like me and believe continuity is important in an organization, or if you feel like 4 years is enough time and we need to bring in another coach.

won't make a hill of beans difference either way in what the Texans decide to do, but for our historical reference, would be nice to see where folks lined up on this thing.

PHAROAH
12-08-2009, 04:27 PM
Time to move in a different direction and no way this team is 9-7 at the end of the season I say lose out to get a higher draft choice for the new head coach to get this team going in the right direction. Kubiak is a good person and I understand that he is the home town guy but he can't get this team to respond anymore and it's time to move forward with a more experienced coach to get us where we want to be Playoffs.

Carr Bombed
12-08-2009, 04:37 PM
Where is the little emoticon throwing up?

Here you go...

http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Disgusting/vomit.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Disgusting-Smileys.html)


I feel the same way. All this excuse making and people wanting to keep Kubiak because "he's a swell guy" makes me sick too.

mussop
12-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Here you go...

http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Disgusting/vomit.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Disgusting-Smileys.html)


I feel the same way. All this excuse making and people wanting to keep Kubiak because "he's a swell guy" makes me sick too.

Thats awsome! Thanks and rep for ya.

OOPS! Must spread rep sorry.

gary
12-08-2009, 04:43 PM
Here you go...

http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Disgusting/vomit.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Disgusting-Smileys.html)


I feel the same way. All this excuse making and people wanting to keep Kubiak because "he's a swell guy" makes me sick too.It isn't about being a nice guy in the NFL Dom Capers knows all about that.

Silver Oak
12-08-2009, 07:55 PM
Time to move in a different direction and no way this team is 9-7 at the end of the season I say lose out to get a higher draft choice for the new head coach to get this team going in the right direction. Kubiak is a good person and I understand that he is the home town guy but he can't get this team to respond anymore and it's time to move forward with a more experienced coach to get us where we want to be Playoffs.

I don't give a flip if he's from Houston...never carried any weight with me. A&M...same thing, never had any sway at all, and those who use the "swell guy" stuff are yanking their own noodle as I don't give a dam if he's mugs homeless people or gives them a blanket to keep warm!

Bottom line is, do we run a turnstile of coaches in 8 seasons through this franchise hoping that one sticks like the Lions and Raiders, or do we give one guy the benefit of doubt and an extra year of the draft and FA like the Steelers and Giants?

Continuity is the operative word this off season. Stick to the franchise goals/plans, and continue on that path.

euro-Texan
12-08-2009, 08:23 PM
Time to move in a different direction and no way this team is 9-7 at the end of the season I say lose out to get a higher draft choice for the new head coach to get this team going in the right direction. Kubiak is a good person and I understand that he is the home town guy but he can't get this team to respond anymore and it's time to move forward with a more experienced coach to get us where we want to be Playoffs.

Yeah but hopfully the new guy realizes only gets a couple of seasons to make all of his changes in order before we stick our heads up our asses and demand his firing.

DerekLee1
12-08-2009, 08:28 PM
Where is the little emoticon throwing up?

http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/Puke_SKTM8E.gif

DerekLee1
12-08-2009, 08:32 PM
Continuity is the operative word this off season. Stick to the franchise goals/plans, and continue on that path.

I've been saying that all season, and early in the year posted a letter asking McNair to keep Kubiak regardless of how the season turned out. But after this past week, he lost his team. Nobody on that field had confidence in that halfback pass play call, and THAT is why it failed. If you don't have faith in the playcalling, you don't have faith in the coach. And when Schaub walked off the field with his hands up like WTF, I knew Kubiak had lost them.

I still think Kubiak will eventually land with another team and win with them. But I no longer think he can do it HERE unless there's an entire personnel turnaround, and McNair ain't gonna wait around for that, and neither will the fans.

HoustonFrog
12-08-2009, 08:42 PM
I don't give a flip if he's from Houston...never carried any weight with me. A&M...same thing, never had any sway at all, and those who use the "swell guy" stuff are yanking their own noodle as I don't give a dam if he's mugs homeless people or gives them a blanket to keep warm!

Bottom line is, do we run a turnstile of coaches in 8 seasons through this franchise hoping that one sticks like the Lions and Raiders, or do we give one guy the benefit of doubt and an extra year of the draft and FA like the Steelers and Giants?
Continuity is the operative word this off season. Stick to the franchise goals/plans, and continue on that path.

What are you talking about. Coughlin won his 2nd year with the Giants...11-5. He then went 8-8, 10-6, and 12-4. The Steelers haven't much down time either. Continuity works with the right people in place and when they show flashes. Being mediocre shows neither. If you are talking historically, then again, you are taking 2 franchises that built it all through special HOF coaches and players in different eras. What they are doing now is making smart choicesand their new coaches won quickly.

I'm so tired of people taking the smallest percetange of something possibly happening....in the history of the league and then using it as what "could happen" if you wait 6-7 years. Play the percentages and get someone who can coach while you have the talent.

Houston_Fanatic
12-08-2009, 10:54 PM
Hey, I think Coach Kubes deserves one more year to get this team to where we all want it to be, and no one wants them there more than he does...the play-offs.

So let's finish strong this last 1/4 of the season, finish 9-7 and lets go for it all in 2010!

I like Coach Kubes, he's a good man, he's a Houstonian, he's a Texan, and he can do it!!!

He's go my support.

Go Texans!!!

Signed,

Klint Kubiak

treduke
12-08-2009, 11:10 PM
i think at this point kubes is more equipped to be a waiter at denny's
he already knows the menu by heart

BattleRedToro
12-09-2009, 12:06 AM
Bottom line is, do we run a turnstile of coaches in 8 seasons through this franchise hoping that one sticks like the Lions and Raiders, or do we give one guy the benefit of doubt and an extra year of the draft and FA like the Steelers and Giants?

Continuity is the operative word this off season. Stick to the franchise goals/plans, and continue on that path.

2 Head Coaches in 8 years is not a turnstile. By comparison the Raiders and Lions have each had 5 Head Coaches in that timeframe. That is a turnstile. 4 years to prove yourself is reasonable under current NFL conditions. I can certainly understand wanting to extend that standard to 5 years but I feel like the Head Coach would've had to have given some tangible indication of improvement to warrant such an extension.

In otherwords, the team would either have needed to improve in their record every year under Kubiak, or they would have needed to have made the playoffs or had a winning record in one of the seasons under Kubiak, not necessarily in his fourth season.

Neither one of these things will happen under Kubiak by the end of his fourth year, so it is time to move on. In fact, the team hasn't improved since his second season and their is a good chance that they will actually regress in his fourth year.

TexCanada
12-09-2009, 12:08 AM
I agree that it would have been great if Kubes could have been the guy to carry this team to the next level. Its a great story that a guy from Houston could take over, and presumably he would stay here for years. Clearly this has not happened. Kubes had his chance, he blew it.

treduke
12-09-2009, 12:19 AM
I agree that it would have been great if Kubes could have been the guy to carry this team to the next level. Its a great story that a guy from Houston could take over, and presumably he would stay here for years. Clearly this has not happened. Kubes had his chance, he blew it.

i was so pumped when they hired kubes cause i though a guy who's from houston and knows what we went through with the oilers and how hungry this fanbase is for a winner but at the end of the day this is as far as kubes gets us

BigBull17
12-09-2009, 08:27 AM
I don't give a flip if he's from Houston...never carried any weight with me. A&M...same thing, never had any sway at all, and those who use the "swell guy" stuff are yanking their own noodle as I don't give a dam if he's mugs homeless people or gives them a blanket to keep warm!

Bottom line is, do we run a turnstile of coaches in 8 seasons through this franchise hoping that one sticks like the Lions and Raiders, or do we give one guy the benefit of doubt and an extra year of the draft and FA like the Steelers and Giants?

Continuity is the operative word this off season. Stick to the franchise goals/plans, and continue on that path.

Yeah, he's had 4 years to show us something. They still do the little things wrong, and are incapable of fixing them. means its time to go. Insanity is doing the same thing the same way and expecting different results.

HOU-TEX
12-09-2009, 08:34 AM
Another year is just postponing the inevitable.

Why wait? Oh yeah, cuz that's what we do.

Thorn
12-09-2009, 08:36 AM
Yeah, he's had 4 years to show us something. They still do the little things wrong, and are incapable of fixing them. means its time to go. Insanity is doing the same thing the same way and expecting different results.

I'm good with replacing Kubiak. But we still have to remember, Kubiak isn't the one who fumbled into the end zone or missed those FGs. He is, however, the one who keeps playing that worthless Chris Brown and never drafting a top flight RB.

Kubiak, like any head coach, you can said good and bad things about him and they'll all be true.

Silver Oak
12-09-2009, 08:44 AM
2 Head Coaches in 8 years is not a turnstile. By comparison the Raiders and Lions have each had 5 Head Coaches in that timeframe. That is a turnstile. 4 years to prove yourself is reasonable under current NFL conditions. I can certainly understand wanting to extend that standard to 5 years but I feel like the Head Coach would've had to have given some tangible indication of improvement to warrant such an extension.

In otherwords, the team would either have needed to improve in their record every year under Kubiak, or they would have needed to have made the playoffs or had a winning record in one of the seasons under Kubiak, not necessarily in his fourth season.

Neither one of these things will happen under Kubiak by the end of his fourth year, so it is time to move on. In fact, the team hasn't improved since his second season and their is a good chance that they will actually regress in his fourth year.

it will be 3 coaches in 8 seasons if Kubiak is fired.

again, it's a close call for me as I think there are valid arguments for both sides of the fire/no fire debate, but I err on the side of continuity and stability.

Silver Oak
12-09-2009, 08:51 AM
What are you talking about. Coughlin won his 2nd year with the Giants...11-5. He then went 8-8, 10-6, and 12-4. The Steelers haven't much down time either. Continuity works with the right people in place and when they show flashes. Being mediocre shows neither. If you are talking historically, then again, you are taking 2 franchises that built it all through special HOF coaches and players in different eras. What they are doing now is making smart choicesand their new coaches won quickly.

I'm so tired of people taking the smallest percetange of something possibly happening....in the history of the league and then using it as what "could happen" if you wait 6-7 years. Play the percentages and get someone who can coach while you have the talent.

what kind of mathematical formula are you working with to figure out theses "percentages"? please tell me as I would love to pass them on to my CPA!

Coughlin was on the hot seat for decisions he made, and mid/late season meltdowns before their SB win.

DexmanC
12-09-2009, 10:16 AM
what kind of mathematical formula are you working with to figure out theses "percentages"? please tell me as I would love to pass them on to my CPA!

Coughlin was on the hot seat for decisions he made, and mid/late season meltdowns before their SB win.

Nice way to skirt the original subject of the post you just answered. Coughlin's
winning percentage is what kept him at the Giants as long as he has been. Kubiak
has never had a winning percentage over .500 in ANY season. In fact, this
squad has REGRESSED. They had TWO division wins last year, and only ONE
this year.

HoustonFrog
12-09-2009, 10:35 AM
what kind of mathematical formula are you working with to figure out theses "percentages"? please tell me as I would love to pass them on to my CPA!

Coughlin was on the hot seat for decisions he made, and mid/late season meltdowns before their SB win.

You are skirting the issue. You said the Giants give guys the benefit of the doubt. I pointed out that Coughlin had actually shown he could win. Sticking with a hardass that might offend players and sticking with a guy who has failed and has gotten no better over 3 years is a different ballgame. He was on the hotseat for 1/2 of one season...their SB season. It followed a mediocre one.

So he takes over and they are 6-10. They then go 11-5. They then go 8-8, followed by 10-6 and the SB. Then 12-4. How is that even comparable to never getting above .500 and making the same mistakes?

The percentages is that over the history of football you can name on one hand guys who started slow after 4-5 years and who ended up being top coaches. Yet there are piles of those that fail. Yet somehow Kubes fits into the 1% because of what....he wastes timeouts like them, calls dumb plays like them, takes the credit for the losses like them, stays mediocre despite more talent like them?

Silver Oak
12-09-2009, 11:37 AM
The percentages is that over the history of football you can name on one hand guys who started slow after 4-5 years and who ended up being top coaches. Yet there are piles of those that fail. Yet somehow Kubes fits into the 1% because of what....he wastes timeouts like them, calls dumb plays like them, takes the credit for the losses like them, stays mediocre despite more talent like them?

so what you prefer to do is run coaches through and just hope that one sticks?

great plan dude. :kitten:

Texanmike02
12-09-2009, 11:51 AM
You are skirting the issue. You said the Giants give guys the benefit of the doubt. I pointed out that Coughlin had actually shown he could win. Sticking with a hardass that might offend players and sticking with a guy who has failed and has gotten no better over 3 years is a different ballgame. He was on the hotseat for 1/2 of one season...their SB season. It followed a mediocre one.

So he takeds over and they are 6-10. They then go 11-5. They then go 8-8, followed by 10-6 and the SB. Then 12-4. How is that even comparable to never getting above .500 and making the same mistakes?

The percentages is that over the history of football you can name on one hand guys who started slow after 4-5 years and who ended up being top coaches. Yet there are piles of those that fail. Yet somehow Kubes fits into the 1% because of what....he wastes timeouts like them, calls dumb plays like them, takes the credit for the losses like them, stays mediocre despite more talent like them?

I don't know if its really fair to say that he started slow. In his first two years he added 6 wins to our total. We have an offensive system (not 4 plays that we will run real well) and we now have a defensive system. I'm don't care one way or another about Kubiak personally I want what is best for the team. You have a young, talented team who needs to learn how to win games. They have to figure out how to hold it together when the wheels get wobbly. Personally, telling Kubes his job is safe this year and to start next gives him 8 preseason games, prevents him from trying to "save his job" with a possible detriment to the team and gives you the best shot to win NEXT(was a typo) year. Lets start seeing if Foster can do anything, lets give barwin some extra reps... rest mario.. look at some of the depth at LB and maybe even try some different stuff on defense. None of that happens if Kubes is coaching for his job... You almost never get a chance to see players in "meaningless games" against another team that is playing all out regular season style.

Even if you bring in say Cower, you are looking at a pretty long process. Cower was successful for so long because he brought guys in that fit HIS system. As you got older you were replaced with someone that had been groomed for 2-3 years. We are relying on TALENT with very little experience. Our idea of a veteran contributor is a guy who's been in the league for 2 3 or 4 years... With the exception of AJ (and Schaub who is relatively young considering he barely has 3 seasons worth of starts) where do your vets come from? Do you think Demeco learned how to win here? Smith didn't learn it in Arizona.... they had a good six game stretch.... There have been a few bad play calls... but a lot of it is between the sidelines, when the coach isn't in the huddle... who is your leader who says "alright guys I've been here before, let me show you how to win?". Go get that guy, if it doesn't work don't renew the contract, call up Dungy or whoever the "all time great coach" is and bring them in to tighten up the loose ends.

Mike

Mr. White
12-09-2009, 11:59 AM
so what you prefer to do is run coaches through and just hope that one sticks?

great plan dude. :kitten:

It's what every other team in the NFL does until one does stick.

We should have kept Capers by your logic.

HoustonFrog
12-09-2009, 12:41 PM
so what you prefer to do is run coaches through and just hope that one sticks?

great plan dude. :kitten:

No, in this day and age where teams improve by the year and make SB runs, I say 4 years is a good amount of time to show a direction. You can't name the direction or explain why 3 years of the same...despite more talent...deserves a 5th. That is where you fail. You just have this magic formula that if you let one guy sit for year after year that eventually the blind squirrel will find a nut. As my example above showed, Coughlin showed in Year 2 that he could get the job done. It was the matter of his personality. Kubes hasn't shown that he has learned from his mistakes in 3 years.

It's what every other team in the NFL does until one does stick.

We should have kept Capers by your logic.

Right...and Carr (nice guy, tried hard, someone will fix him, has the ability). Sounds familiar.

Silver Oak
12-09-2009, 12:53 PM
No, in this day and age where teams improve by the year and make SB runs, I say 4 years is a good amount of time to show a direction. You can't name the direction or explain why 3 years of the same...despite more talent...deserves a 5th. That is where you fail. You just have this magic formula that if you let one guy sit for year after year that eventually the blind squirrel will find a nut. As my example above showed, Coughlin showed in Year 2 that he could get the job done. It was the matter of his personality. Kubes hasn't shown that he has learned from his mistakes in 3 years.



Rigth...and Carr (nice guy, tried hard, someone will fix him, has the ability). Sounds familiar.

Again, I think it's a close call, but I err on the side of one more season, whereas you don't. Cool...I get it. One of us will be wrong and one will be right.

For me...and since I only support one NFL team, I want whatever is best for the team and franchise. If the decision makers decide Kubiak ain't the guy, I'll support the next coach.

Battle Red Flash
12-09-2009, 01:19 PM
Many Texans fans seem to think we will finish strong. Like 4-0 or 3-1 down the stretch.
What if we finish 7-9? or 6-10? Then keep Kubiak? I'm waiting until all games are played before calling for Kubes to come back.

Vinny
12-09-2009, 01:20 PM
Many Texans fans seem to think we will finish strong. Like 4-0 or 3-1 down the stretch.
What if we finish 7-9? or 6-10? Then keep Kubiak? I'm waiting until all games are played before calling for Kubes to come back.
its impossible to "finish strong" when you are playing what pretty much amounts to preseason games as far as the standing goes.

Blake
12-09-2009, 01:24 PM
its impossible to "finish strong" when you are playing what pretty much amounts to preseason games as far as the standing goes.

Agreed. If we cant win when it matters, then who gives a ****?

Thats like scoring 21 points in the 4th quarter when you were down by 42.

:gun:

HoustonFrog
12-09-2009, 01:35 PM
Again, I think it's a close call, but I err on the side of one more season, whereas you don't. Cool...I get it. One of us will be wrong and one will be right.

For me...and since I only support one NFL team, I want whatever is best for the team and franchise. If the decision makers decide Kubiak ain't the guy, I'll support the next coach.

:rolleyes:

What is funny is that I think it is easier for me to see alot of this stuff due to the fact that I'm not completely invested. I look at it from a clear perspective. I was right about Carr about a year or 2 beforehand and have been pretty stubborn with similar views. Sometimes, you, as a pure Texans fan, needs to step out and look at it with an open mind....(not saying you're not but some aren't).

An example is my Boys. Wade Phillips is only behind Belichick in wins the past few years. Is that good enough. A great winning percentage when you have talent to do more and no post-season success? Most say "No" at this time with an open mind to how this season turns out. But his demeanor and answers aren't inspiring confidence.

Expect more is my theory.

Texecutioner
12-09-2009, 01:42 PM
Many Texans fans seem to think we will finish strong. Like 4-0 or 3-1 down the stretch.
What if we finish 7-9? or 6-10? Then keep Kubiak? I'm waiting until all games are played before calling for Kubes to come back.

Why? What difference will it make if he finishes strong when he's screwed up all of these other games that got us in this ****ty position in the first place where we're basically out of the picture in what was actually a year where we had a very easy schedule? So he wins a few games at the end of the year against some easy teams? What the hell will that prove?

The guy has been here 4 years now, and has only proven one thing. He can't take this team anywhere.

euro-Texan
12-09-2009, 06:20 PM
[QUOTE=BattleRedToro;1320318]2 Head Coaches in 8 years is not a turnstile. By comparison the Raiders and Lions have each had 5 Head Coaches in that timeframe. QUOTE]

Wow, We are going to need to catch up quick if we want to be at that level.