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Texan in Japan
02-26-2005, 03:59 AM
http://www.draftdaddy.com/prospects/davidBaas.cfm

As some sites are saying Baas is best lineman out of Mich since Hutchinson, I'm thinking are dream of him being there in round 2 might not be a reality. In the mock, Vinny did a brilliant job of trading down twice and getting Baas late in round one. I think his approach may be best strategy if Baas is our target.

I really like what he's been able to do and his versatility is a plus. Once again, CC/Dom may have other ideas, but Baas' press is very intriguing given our needs and his talent.

Number19
02-26-2005, 10:04 AM
http://www.draftdaddy.com/prospects/davidBaas.cfm

As some sites are saying Baas is best lineman out of Mich since Hutchinson, I'm thinking are dream of him being there in round 2 might not be a reality. In the mock, Vinny did a brilliant job of trading down twice and getting Baas late in round one. I think his approach may be best strategy if Baas is our target.

I really like what he's been able to do and his versatility is a plus. Once again, CC/Dom may have other ideas, but Baas' press is very intriguing given our needs and his talent.
Chicago has shown interest in Baas (2nd/#39). Cleveland's number one need seems to be OL (OG and OC). Depending on what they do with their first pick, there may be interest in Baas at 2nd/#34. New England may have some interest at 1st/#32. One of Baas' biggest assets is his efficency at both OG and OC. Rather than BPA, this year, I'm targeting Baas as my first pick. To have a reasonable shot for him being available, I'm looking to trade down to about the #25 area. Baas will still have good value here and will not be a "reach", provided his Combine numbers don't disappoint.

Youngstown Colt
02-26-2005, 11:46 AM
It has been reported that he will most likely have to be a center in the NFL. He jsut doesn't have the athleticism to play guard in the pros

powda
02-26-2005, 12:24 PM
u need to see his prospect video elsewhere in this board...he obviously has the ability to move.

Lucky
02-26-2005, 12:39 PM
This is just my opinion, but I think a center needs more athleticism than a guard does. A center has to move out to the 2nd level & find the MLB. He's usually the guy who has to slide over to pickup the inside blitz. Just snapping the ball (especially in the shotgun) and getting into your block requires some athleticism. A center may not need to have the raw strength of a guard, but I think he needs to be a good athlete.

Now what I've heard is that Baas is talking to teams that want him at guard. That makes sense because it takes time for some guys to learn the line calls. Jake Grove was drafted by the Raiders last year and moved into the starting lineup at RG as a rookie. As Grove picks up Oakland's scheme, he'll move to center. Since Baas has limited time in college spent at center, guard may be where he begins his career.

I could see the bottom 3 teams in the 1st (Pitt, Philly, NE) take a hard look at Baas. Baas becomes a value pick anywhere in the early-mid part of round 2.

BuffSoldier
02-26-2005, 12:40 PM
Theres no doubt that he has the ability to play guard, but what I love is that he could play OG and OC and help out in whatever position we need.

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 01:33 PM
Theres no doubt that he has the ability to play guard, but what I love is that he could play OG and OC and help out in whatever position we need.

Which is a common misconception about offensive linemen. People always think, "versatility is the best attribute in an O-Lineman!", which just isnt true. Few players can switch positions and live up the potential they were projected to be at their natural position. You will notice the true dominant players at their positions on the OLine played that position throughout college. W.Jones, Pace, Ogden, L.Allen, etc. When drafting O-Lineman who you hope to become dominant players, you want them to stick to one position and lock it down.

Vinny
02-26-2005, 01:49 PM
Some teams value him at G, some at C. Either way he is one of the best, if not the best interior line prospects in this draft, and I saw a quip somewhere that stated that some scouts think he is the best Offensive lineman in this draft period. This draft is not easy to read because of the lack of high grades (so called can't miss types). Baas could go earlier than most people think. I'm sure he grades out much higher than the Notre Dame Center (Jeff Faine) a few drafts back, and Faine is not a guy who can move around and play Guard like Baas can, and more and more teams play big NT's over the Center now....so if Faine can be taken at 21st overall then Baas has the potential to be taken higher.

BuffSoldier
02-26-2005, 01:54 PM
Which is a common misconception about offensive linemen. People always think, "versatility is the best attribute in an O-Lineman!", which just isnt true. Few players can switch positions and live up the potential they were projected to be at their natural position. You will notice the true dominant players at their positions on the OLine played that position throughout college. W.Jones, Pace, Ogden, L.Allen, etc. When drafting O-Lineman who you hope to become dominant players, you want them to stick to one position and lock it down.

Im not saying that we should switch him from center to guard and back throughout his career. I was saying that we need a player at both gaurd and center and which ever the Texans feel is the bigger need, we can draft him and come out with a good choice.

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 02:06 PM
Im not saying that we should switch him from center to guard and back throughout his career. I was saying that we need a player at both gaurd and center and which ever the Texans feel is the bigger need, we can draft him and come out with a good choice.

Perhaps I'm just high on McKinney and Pitts, but I really dont see the need to trade up or down to take Baas. I mean, yes he's a great project, but there are a fair number of good G prospects who can be taken in the 2nd/3rd, so we can fill our huge weaknesses with our 1st and 2nd at LT and SS.

Vinny
02-26-2005, 02:08 PM
If we take an LT or an SS in the first or second round I'd be shocked. Center is probably our biggest need outside of TE in this offense, and Glenn Earl has shown he can play.

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 02:12 PM
If we take an LT or an SS in the first or second round I'd be shocked. Center is probably our biggest need outside of TE in this offense.

There are no first round calibre TEs(I dont like H.Miller at all) and I never, ever, ever like a Center going in the first round, let alone #13.Are you seriously going to tell me you'd rather take, H.Miller or trade down for Baas over taking T.Davis or Barren at #13??

Vinny
02-26-2005, 02:13 PM
Where in the world did you see me post that I thought we would take a Center at 13, or a TE for that matter? This thread is about Bass and where he projects, and I was just telling you that I dissagree with what you perceive as our team needs. I've given opinion on the draft in other threads concerning the LT and the TE.

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 02:16 PM
Where in the world did you see me post that I thought we would take a Center at 13, or a TE for that matter? This thread is about Bass and where he projects.

If we take an LT or an SS in the first or second round I'd be shocked.

:hmmm:

If it's not an LT, SS, TE or C with #13, who would you take??? I know this is a thread about Baas and I posted my opinion on him/his projections. Now I'm asking you who you'd take at #13.

Vinny
02-26-2005, 02:17 PM
I'm not going to encourage you guys to go off-topic and steal threads. Ask me in a thread with that content.

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 02:21 PM
No offense...but how is this going off topic??? The topic of the thread followed a natural progression to what the Texans needs are and the position Baas plays and his relation to the Texans.Baas is a G/OL, everyone who has posted so far has commented on the OL status of the Texans and where Baas would fit in and be drafted.Thus, when we are talking about Baas' draft position, questions are going to be raised on how the Texans would acquire him. Hardly off topic at all.

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2005, 02:26 PM
:thumbup I don't remember anyone saying Baas at 13 . Most people think he'll be a late 1st or 2nd . In our make believe drafts we had a variety of picks at 13 with Baas going to us in the 2nd . You have to remember this is our wish list .

Vinny
02-26-2005, 02:26 PM
No offense...but how is this going off topic??? The topic of the thread followed a natural progression to what the Texans needs are and the position Baas plays and his relation to the Texans.Baas is a G/OL, everyone who has posted so far has commented on the OL status of the Texans and where Baas would fit in and be drafted.Thus, when we are talking about Baas' draft position, questions are going to be raised on how the Texans would acquire him. Hardly off topic at all.You can do as you wish. I'm just not going to turn a "where is Bass going to be drafted" thread into another "who do we pick at 13" thread. I'm just not going to encourage you guys to do this kind of thing. It took me a long time to figure out how to post in an internet society (specifically message boards)....and thats just how I feel.

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 02:31 PM
:thumbup I don't remember anyone saying Baas at 13 . Most people think he'll be a late 1st or 2nd . In our make believe drafts we had a variety of picks at 13 with Baas going to us in the 2nd . You have to remember this is our wish list .

Noone said Baas at 13, I was asking a simple question since my views on the obvious glaring team needs and Vinny's differs.

Most Mock drafts have Baas going 25-35 range(except NFL Draft Countdown and I dont agree with basically any of their selections..at least until their next mock changes, like it always seems to do), I dont remember checking out a single one that has us landing Baas(without trading up).

Youngstown Colt
02-26-2005, 02:34 PM
After the senior bowl practices, it was determined that his best position would probably be center.

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2005, 02:51 PM
:thumbup I said in OUR make believe drafts . Thats the drafts people wrote in on another thread . Baas and Brown are the two best interior OL in this draft . Who was the highest drafted interior OL last year ?

ps .Who's Noone ? You said Noone said Baas would be picked 13 .

Vinny
02-26-2005, 02:56 PM
Who was the highest drafted interior OL last year ?
Vernon Carey (19th overall)

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
02-26-2005, 05:13 PM
It has been reported that he will most likely have to be a center in the NFL. He jsut doesn't have the athleticism to play guard in the pros

One Up and One Down

Some big news out of the Combine as players began running the infamous forty. RB Ronnie Brown of Auburn burned a blazing 4.40 and 4.32 while Maurice Clarett of Ohio St. ran a couple of very disappointing times of 4.82 and 4.72. Among the offensive linemen Khalif Barnes of Washington checked in at 4.97 despite stumbling a little while David Baas of Michigan ran a 5.02.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/nn.html

I don't know about his athleticism but he can sure get there fast!!

Texan in Japan
02-26-2005, 06:12 PM
One Up and One Down

Some big news out of the Combine as players began running the infamous forty. RB Ronnie Brown of Auburn burned a blazing 4.40 and 4.32 while Maurice Clarett of Ohio St. ran a couple of very disappointing times of 4.82 and 4.72. Among the offensive linemen Khalif Barnes of Washington checked in at 4.97 despite stumbling a little while David Baas of Michigan ran a 5.02.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/nn.html

I don't know about his athleticism but he can sure get there fast!!

I've watched the Baas scout video (only at LG) and he certainly can pull and get out on the sweep. For a 320+ guy, he looked pretty fast and athletic.

Texan in Japan
02-26-2005, 06:31 PM
The debate of where an interior lineman goes in a particular draft may give us a range to consider, however, it really boils down to an individual team's assessment of BPA, his value to team (i.e. QB not needed), needs and depth of positions when their pick is available. For example if a good CB is available at 13, but CC likes 5-6 corners still available, he may consider that as a factor in either selecting another player who grades out close to that CB (that is more of a need).

If CC/scouts see Baas as a future Pro Bowl C/G, then maybe they decide to trade down for more value or if they can't work a deal they could decide to select him.

If you're shocked I'd suggest a "Center" be selected at 13, think of it like this...center is the QB of the OL. With huge NT or DT on him every down, having a guy with comparable size, quickness, good hands/feet and smarts is key to every play. The center touches the ball on every play. He makes the line calls. Our guy McKinney is a tad undersized and wasn't productive last year.

It all boils down to our strategy and evaluation of players/deals available at 13. Don't be shocked if the BPA at 13 isn't currently projected in any of the internet mocks.

nunusguy
02-26-2005, 07:27 PM
If you're shocked I'd suggest a "Center" be selected at 13
If you insist on taking an OL, OK, but atleast take the most atheletic lineman available - understand this, any bozo brain can learn to snap the ball to the QB, but it takes an athelete and football player to do something difficult and challenging like block the other teams best past rusher who's coming hell bent off the weakside to put a hurt on your QB.

infantrycak
02-26-2005, 08:54 PM
any bozo brain can learn to snap the ball to the QB

Apparently not because McKinney ain't getting it done. IMO McKinney was a worse C last year than Wand was as a 1st year starter at LT. Centers have to snap well, call the OL and take on huge NT's and DT's. Really think you are underselling the C position. The QB can't ever step up into the pocket to assist the tackles if there is no pocket because the C sucks.

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2005, 09:27 PM
:thumbup If the object is to get your best 5 OL on the field then Baas being able to play C/G is a plus . I 'm not sure who fits where in the zone blocking scheme but I like maulers , no finese just plow ahead . Anybody remember John Hannah ?

Chance_C
02-28-2005, 10:02 AM
Where is Chris Spencer projected to go? While I like Baas alot, what if we hold on to #13 (I like Marcus Spears) and select the best center available with our 2nd rounder. There will be some nice talent still available, and we get an anchor for our d-line for years to come. And in regards to Baas, if he's still there with our 2nd rounder, it's just icing on the cake.

wiley2002
02-28-2005, 10:47 AM
I have to go with Vinny and say that, if we go for Baas with our 1st Rounder, we will trade down to get him. If we can trade down twice and still get him, that would be great! I was wishing for Marcus Spears but I would much rather have the depth at the o-line. Who knows. Maybe Baas will be there in the second for us. All I can do is hope in that case.

beerlover
02-28-2005, 10:50 AM
I believe this draft is deeper than some are letting on & that Baas will slip into the top of the second round, unfortunatley teams around the 40th pick will snatch him up before the Texans pick again @ #47. therefore say Detroit is targeting him with the 40th pick the Texans or another team would have to trade up in order to draft David which increases his draft grade based upon team needs not as much on purely rating a player on ability alone. that being said the team I would target to make a draft day deal with is the 49ers, they own the 33rd overall pick, if they stay put & draft Aaron Rogers #1 I think they would be agreeable to adding additional picks by trading down. Assuming Baas is still on the board this might be where you'll get Baas on draft day.