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Vinny
12-07-2009, 05:04 PM
For the record, Kubiak was asked about protecting Grossman with some conservative calls and he said he didn't want to order 'off' the Denny's menu....he was sticking to the script.

OK, your starting quarterback goes down on the first play with a serious injury. Nobody on the field, including Matt Schaub, thought he would return to the game. (He later did, but that's beside the point.)

You send in your backup quarterback, who hasn't seen live game action since a life-or-death preseason battle (in other words meaningless) against the Buccaneers more than three months ago.

Rex Grossman comes out winging it. Two plays, two passes. Incompletion. Interception.

I'm not going to criticize the play calling there. Senseless? Oh, no doubt, but I'm trying not to pile on.

The Texans script their first 15 plays. I'm sure they didn't script them with the idea that Schaub would be injured on Play 1.

Here is what floored me and Dale Robertson as we watched the Texans' sideline.

Wouldn't you expect Grossman to come off the field and immediately get into a long conversation with Kyle Shanahan? Perhaps they would discuss a little bit of a change in game plan to suit Grossman's skills instead of the one they brought in for Schaub.

OK, maybe they think they are so smart and such a well-oiled machine that that no change in the plan is necessary for the backup and his different set of skills. But maybe you would want to talk to him about the next series to remind him of what you were planning to run the next time you get the ball. Did I mention he hasn't played since before Labor Day?

OK, forget that. Maybe you just want to talk to him, make sure he's calm and ready to go. Yeah, he's a veteran, but please, he looked a little shaky on those first couple of snaps.

What else does the offensive coordinator have to do when the defense is on the field? If Shanahan were in the press box, wouldn't you expect Grossman to have been on a headset for a couple of minutes? Well, Shanahan works from the sideline. No conversation — or at least not one that lasted long enough for me to see — took place.

Grossman standing there alone didn't make sense to me. http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/12/if_kubiak_isnt_careful_he_coul.html

wagonhed
12-07-2009, 05:06 PM
so strange

FirstTexansFan
12-07-2009, 05:06 PM
For the record, Kubiak was asked about protecting Grossman with some conservative calls and he said he didn't want to order "off" the Denny's menu....he was sticking to the script.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/12/if_kubiak_isnt_careful_he_coul.html

How many nails does this coffin require? :)

badboy
12-07-2009, 05:12 PM
For the record, Kubiak was asked about protecting Grossman with some conservative calls and he said he didn't want to order "off" the Denny's menu....he was sticking to the script.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/12/if_kubiak_isnt_careful_he_coul.html"Captain Gary, there is a big old ice cube dead ahead!"

"Damn the ice cube! Stick to the script!"

Maybe Celine Deon can come up with a tear jerker about our "Titanic"? Lord knows I cry when I see the way we play.

Jackie Chiles
12-07-2009, 05:13 PM
Before the 2nd Colts game we hadn't scored a TD on the first drive of a game all year. Stick to the script Gary, its bound to work eventually.:rake:

brakos82
12-07-2009, 05:16 PM
C'mon Kubes, go for the Grand Slam. :runaway:

disaacks3
12-07-2009, 05:17 PM
"Captain Gary, there is a big old ice cube dead ahead!"

"Damn the ice cube! Stick to the script!"

Maybe Celine Deon can come up with a tear jerker about our "Titanic"? Lord knows I cry when I see the way we play. Idea for a new song...
"My TEAM will go on" We can play it at our remaining home games this season.

Double Barrel
12-07-2009, 05:18 PM
For the record, Kubiak was asked about protecting Grossman with some conservative calls and he said he didn't want to order "off" the Denny's menu....he was sticking to the script.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/12/if_kubiak_isnt_careful_he_coul.html

They already knew that Grossman likes his eggs scrambled, wheat toast, and bacon, so no need to go over the Denny's menu with him.

This doesn't surprise me, though. Kubiak is always far from the players, and is usually standing 30 yards from the LOS with the training staff. He rarely interacts with players, and I have yet to see him get in the middle of his offensive players for an impromptu meeting of the minds to discuss strategy or make adjustments. It makes sense that the OC would take on the same temperament as the HC, which appears to the average fan as aloof and deep in his own thoughts.

GP
12-07-2009, 05:56 PM
They knew Schaub was going to get a shot and be back.

They didn't care what Grossman did, because they knew he was coming back to the field. I know that's a stretch to believe...but I have to believe that they knew it was a dislocation and Schaub made a point to have someone radio Kubiak and Shanahan that he'd be out there pretty soon.

They didn't count on him throwing the pick, but it happened. There was no sense of urgency with Grossman, IMO, for that reason. At least I have to try and force myself to believe that this could be a possible reason.

Otherwise, this is a vampire that is immune to everything. It won't die.

TheCD
12-07-2009, 08:06 PM
[QUOTE=GP;1319142]They knew Schaub was going to get a shot and be back.QUOTE]

But it took Schaub a quarter and a half to get back in the game. Had we had Schaub all game...or had Rex not totally f'ed us...we could have won it.


Coaching is a problem there...you have to do something to get your backup in a rhythm...he's not Schaub, you can't stick to the Schaub gameplan.

GP
12-07-2009, 08:18 PM
[QUOTE=GP;1319142]They knew Schaub was going to get a shot and be back.QUOTE]

But it took Schaub a quarter and a half to get back in the game. Had we had Schaub all game...or had Rex not totally f'ed us...we could have won it.


Coaching is a problem there...you have to do something to get your backup in a rhythm...he's not Schaub, you can't stick to the Schaub gameplan.

I was mocking or only half-serious. Trying to give Kubiak a meat pitch he could hit out of the park, to explain why he didn't "coach up" Grossman.

I probably went too far in my attempt to sound real/serious.

Silver Oak
12-07-2009, 08:25 PM
So we go strictly with conservative runs as your option? Like Jax wouldn't have been expecting that one huh???

Monday morning quarterbacking is fine and all, but at least offer up what you would have preferred to see as an option. If all we're going to do is hand the ball off when Schaub isn't in there, then let Casey play as the backup qb and save a freaking roster spot.

This thread makes zero sense, but in the current blind hysteria, I can see why it gains life.

mussop
12-07-2009, 09:02 PM
So we go strictly with conservative runs as your option? Like Jax wouldn't have been expecting that one huh???

Monday morning quarterbacking is fine and all, but at least offer up what you would have preferred to see as an option. If all we're going to do is hand the ball off when Schaub isn't in there, then let Casey play as the backup qb and save a freaking roster spot.

This thread makes zero sense, but in the current blind hysteria, I can see why it gains life.

Its called making adjustments. All good coaches do it. Which is exactly the point. Kubiak doesnt have any of the qualities of a good coach. Im still waitimg for the apologist to answer these questions.

Put the win loss record asside and look at coaching ability, Kubiak has shown no improvement in his four years in that capacity. Has his game preperation gotten better? Has his game decisions gotten better? Has his personell decisions gotten better? Has his clock management gotten better? Has his leadership abilities gotten better? How about his ability to make adjustments in games? Can you honestly say he is a better coach now than he was when he got here?

What is it that makes you think Kubiak has improved as a head coach enough to take this team to the next level?

Silver Oak
12-07-2009, 09:41 PM
Its called making adjustments. All good coaches do it. Which is exactly the point. Kubiak doesnt have any of the qualities of a good coach. Im still waitimg for the apologist to answer these questions.

Put the win loss record asside and look at coaching ability, Kubiak has shown no improvement in his four years in that capacity. Has his game preperation gotten better? Has his game decisions gotten better? Has his personell decisions gotten better? Has his clock management gotten better? Has his leadership abilities gotten better? How about his ability to make adjustments in games? Can you honestly say he is a better coach now than he was when he got here?

What is it that makes you think Kubiak has improved as a head coach enough to take this team to the next level?

I'm not sure either way. I think the team is but a couple of players away from making a good playoff run, but is Kubiak the problem....I don't know.

The players showup each week ready to play, and play hard. I've seen other NFL teams fold up at this point and not make the effort, so that is one positive in his corner. I don't think there's a team in the league that see's us on the schedule and chalks it up as a "W". They know they're in for a good game either on the road or at home.

I don't want to be cast as the guy who defended Kubiak blindly, I just don't want us to become a knee jerk franchise, going through coaches in the hope you'll find the diamond in the rough...but in the meanwhile you disrupt any continuity the team has as far as overall philosophy. As a season ticket holder, I want to win as much or more than anyone, I just don't want the team to become a turnstile for coaches coming and going.

To answer your question, yes...he is a better coach than when he got here. Is it good enough, well, I think there are better football minds over on Kirby that will make that call. I do find it odd that the same folks who were yelling "playoffs or bust", even before training camp, are some of the same who are calling for Kubiaks firing. Go figure?

Possibility of 3 coaches in 8 seasons? I dunno guys...it's a coin flip as to what you can get there. If he does get fired at seasons end, I'll hope that his replacement can bring something extra, although I think unless Vince Young (or a similarly mentally challenged individual) is the coach in 2011, this team will be ready for a very good push.

utahmark
12-07-2009, 10:06 PM
They knew Schaub was going to get a shot and be back.
They didn't care what Grossman did, because they knew he was coming back to the field. I know that's a stretch to believe...but I have to believe that they knew it was a dislocation and Schaub made a point to have someone radio Kubiak and Shanahan that he'd be out there pretty soon.

They didn't count on him throwing the pick, but it happened. There was no sense of urgency with Grossman, IMO, for that reason. At least I have to try and force myself to believe that this could be a possible reason.

Otherwise, this is a vampire that is immune to everything. It won't die.

if they knew schaub was coming back in then they really should'nt of let rex mess things up. they should of just ran the ball.

El Tejano
12-07-2009, 11:45 PM
They already knew that Grossman likes his eggs scrambled, wheat toast, and bacon, so no need to go over the Denny's menu with him.

This doesn't surprise me, though. Kubiak is always far from the players, and is usually standing 30 yards from the LOS with the training staff. He rarely interacts with players, and I have yet to see him get in the middle of his offensive players for an impromptu meeting of the minds to discuss strategy or make adjustments. It makes sense that the OC would take on the same temperament as the HC, which appears to the average fan as aloof and deep in his own thoughts.

You know what HC does? Cowher. Schottenheimer. Jeff Fisher, Harbaugh.

Vinny
12-08-2009, 12:16 AM
NFL films Presents...Mik'd UP with Kubes and Lil' Shanny

Lil' Shanny: "Hey Kubes, Schaub out first play of the game on that 3 step drop, 'get the ball out quickly' play call"

Kubiak: "Hold on, I'm looking at the menu"

Lil' Shanny: "Rex not warmed up...script or no script?"

Kubiak: "huh?"

Lil' Shanny: "Script, or let Rex get his feet under him since he isn't warmed up yet?"

Kubiak: (facing the wrong way) "They sure did a good job laminating the game plan this week".

DexmanC
12-08-2009, 12:18 AM
NFL films Presents...Mik'd UP with Kubes and Lil' Shanny

Lil' Shanny: "Hey Kubes, Schaub out first play of the game on that 3 step drop, get the ball out quickly play call"

Kubiak: "Hold on, I'm looking at the menu"

Lil' Shanny: "Rex not warmed up...script or no script?"

Kubiak: "huh?"

Lil' Shanny: "Script, or let Rex get his feet under him since he isn't warmed up yet?"

Kubiak: (facing the wrong way) "They sure did a good job laminating the game plan this week".

LOL Kubiak and that damn Denny's menu. He stares into it on every big
play.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2wd13eq.jpg

treduke
12-08-2009, 12:21 AM
LOL Kubiak and that damn Denny's menu. He stares into it on every big
play.

yeah i would'nt be surprised if that hb pass play was called moons over my hammy

wagonhed
12-08-2009, 01:46 AM
NFL films Presents...Mik'd UP with Kubes and Lil' Shanny

Lil' Shanny: "Hey Kubes, Schaub out first play of the game on that 3 step drop, 'get the ball out quickly' play call"

Kubiak: "Hold on, I'm looking at the menu"

Lil' Shanny: "Rex not warmed up...script or no script?"

Kubiak: "huh?"

Lil' Shanny: "Script, or let Rex get his feet under him since he isn't warmed up yet?"

Kubiak: (facing the wrong way) "They sure did a good job laminating the game plan this week".

holy crap this made me laugh

Malloy
12-08-2009, 03:59 AM
It was as I suspected, they stuck to the script with a cold of-the-bench Rexie shootout. Dumb and arrogant... I'm VERY CLOSE to going pink soap...

I feel bad for Rex, what a sucky scenario he got stuck in last Sunday...

Carr Bombed
12-08-2009, 04:24 AM
It was as I suspected, they stuck to the script with a cold of-the-bench Rexie shootout. Dumb and arrogant... I'm VERY CLOSE to going pink soap...

LOL, Come to the "pink side" :hothboy:

BigBull17
12-08-2009, 09:43 AM
So we go strictly with conservative runs as your option? Like Jax wouldn't have been expecting that one huh???

Monday morning quarterbacking is fine and all, but at least offer up what you would have preferred to see as an option. If all we're going to do is hand the ball off when Schaub isn't in there, then let Casey play as the backup qb and save a freaking roster spot.

This thread makes zero sense, but in the current blind hysteria, I can see why it gains life.

Maybe a screen. Or a bubble screen. Or your stupid half back toss pass. You can throw it with out throwing a deep crossing pattern.

GP
12-08-2009, 09:59 AM
Maybe a screen. Or a bubble screen. Or your stupid half back toss pass. You can throw it with out throwing a deep crossing pattern.

Exactly.

You go with 5-yard curls, and short slants.

You go with screen plays.

Everything is short, and three-step drop "stuff." You're getting your backup into the game...something that hasn't happened until Sunday, so you need to get him in a groove.

Slinging big passes is not exactly what the backup needs to do when he jumps into the game at week 12 or 13. I see he was targeting the deeper receiver, but he let go of the ball wayyy too early and it hit a crossing receiver on its way to the real destination, thus getting tipped.

There was no sense in runnging THAT play at THAT moment in time. Therefore, we can see that there were numerous foul-ups by the coaching staff (on the offense side of the ball, by the way, which is now all on Kubiak since he took back playcalling duties).

GP
12-08-2009, 10:03 AM
I know it seems like we fans are being ticky tack, and just slamming the coaches.

But this is the NFL. They are getting paid MILLIONS to do this. It's their life. And, it's OUR life too.

So the coaches need to wake up, or get out. Too many other coaches are waiting to show what they can do. If it's not Kubiak's time to shine, then he can go somewhere else and prove us wrong.

David Carr had his chance(s), and to some extent he's happier. I bet he's glad he no longer has to answer for his mistakes anymore. And still gets PAID.

If we want winning football here, we need to get coaches who can do simple things on a consistent basis. I think Kubiak's brain is fried from salvaging and re-building the Capers team he inherited. And I don't get sad about that sort of unfortunate circumstance. To a large degree, we find out what people are made of when the pressure is on. Kubiak is cracking.