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Vinny
12-07-2009, 12:51 PM
When defensive end Quentin Groves was studying film last week, he noticed that the Texans left tackle Duane Brown was tipping the plays.

When Brown moved his leg back, it was going to be a pass. When he spread them, it was going to be a run.

So Groves, who got the starting nod at right end after being benched twice and overlooked once, knew the first play was going to be a pass when Brown moved his foot back.

He got a big rush on quarterback Matt Schaub, but missed him. well, no kidding. You would have to be blind not to know Brown didn't tip plays but the Texans never worry about correcting this and when I first noticed it Kubiak was unaware when brought to his attention. We've even had fans call in and ask Kubiak about this on his Coaches show but he said he "wasn't aware of it and would have to look at the film". I put this right up with Casserly stating point blank that Carr didn't stare down receivers and if he did, it's just fans babbling about overrated nuances and all QB's stare down wr's.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-12-06/story/groves_harvey_make_impact_for_jaguars

OzzO
12-07-2009, 12:54 PM
Oh niiiiiiiiice. I remember that call in earlier in the year too to 610 on Kubiak's show and sure enough, he did respond like that.

So, NOBODY on our coaching staff realizes stuff like this - however the Texans' opponents and fans do. (I didn't for the record, but I'm not in the position that's supposed to look for this.)

hookinreds
12-07-2009, 12:56 PM
well, no kidding. You would have to be blind not to know Brown didn't tip plays but the Texans never worry about correcting this and when I first noticed it Kubiak was unaware when brought to his attention. We've even had fans call in and ask Kubiak about this on his Coaches show but he said he "wasn't aware of it and would have to look at the film". I put this right up with Casserly stating point blank that Carr didn't stare down receivers and if he did, it's just fans babbling about overrated nuances and all QB's stare down wr's.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-12-06/story/groves_harvey_make_impact_for_jaguars

Dropping his foot back is part of the script.

FirstTexansFan
12-07-2009, 12:57 PM
Ok, just another reason to follow through with the firing of this guy imo! And lets quit piddling around about it, get it done today!

GP
12-07-2009, 12:57 PM
I just got sick to my stomach.

Tar and feather Kubiak. And run him out on a rail.

Hey, Matt Schaub: Your golfing buddy just got you hurt. Feel special?

Sheesh...this is a new low.

Porky
12-07-2009, 12:59 PM
LOL. It's the Keystone Coaches with Mr. McWhipple leading the crew. :spin:

GP
12-07-2009, 01:04 PM
Kubiak is turning into "I believe you have my stapler" guy...

Vinny
12-07-2009, 01:09 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1021852&highlight=duane+brown%2C+sets#post1021852 10-12-2008

Just got back from the game. That's what I have to call it.

There were 2 interceptions, 4 non-interceptions that no one caught but should have been (by the Phins), and that last long catch be AJ should have been an interception (but only because of his shear strength took the ball from the defender).

Coach decisions to go for 2 extra points..........should have been called after the 1st touchdown.............and when finally called at the end of the game as an after thought.

Time management?...........I'd say take away Kubiak's analog watch and let him have a dummy digital one.............oh, excuse me, he already has one on the scoreboard.

DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME, VINNY POINTED OUT THAT IT APPEARED THAT DUANE BROWN WAS TELEGRAPHING OUT PLAYS. I SPENT THE REST OF THE GAME TABBING HIS OBSERVATION........AND IT'S A DEFINITE. APPROXIMATELY 90% OF THE TIME, IF BROWN TOOK A FULL CROUCH POSITION, IT WAS RUN...............IF BROWN TOOK A SEMI-CROUCH/SEMI-UPRIGHT POSITION, IT WAS A PASS. SOMEONE NEEDS TO RELATE THIS TO THE COACHES.

dalemurphy
12-07-2009, 01:16 PM
When we discussed this last season, I was wonder the same question I am now?:

Could someone explain what he is doing differently than what a LT should do when it's a passing down and the LT is almost lined up in the backfield and in a two point stance... In other words, does Brown do something specific to tip a run on a passing down and to tip a pass on a run down?

If someone can look at the Colts game and the 3rd and 1 call before the half when AJ breaks off his route, I'd like to know if Brown tipped pass on that play.

Or, on the 3rd and 5 yesterday, when they ran the draw play to Chris Brown, does Brown tip the run there?

... after all, tackles set up differently situationally all the time. I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to better understand the accusation and what he does specificly.

TexansBlood
12-07-2009, 01:20 PM
Unbelievable!:brickwall:

Mr. White
12-07-2009, 01:52 PM
This just goes to show that these coaches aren't rocket scientists.

Thanks for checking into that call by that fan on your 610 show, coach.

Looks like Groves checked into it as well.

Honoring Earl 34
12-07-2009, 01:56 PM
The good news is Brown is pretty good even if he is tipping his plays . Just think what he'll be like when he corrects it .

Vinny
12-07-2009, 01:57 PM
The good news is Brown is pretty good even if he is tipping his plays . Just think what he'll be like when he corrects it .a year ago Kubiak actually defended the fact that Brown lines up differently when a pass is called when brought up again (I think Cloak called in)...so it's not gonna be addressed I assume.

Mr. White
12-07-2009, 02:00 PM
a year ago Kubiak actually defended the fact that Brown lines up differently when a pass is called when brought up again (I think Cloak called in)...so it's not gonna be addressed I assume.

So I guess this one's on Gary too.

Kaiser Toro
12-07-2009, 02:04 PM
So I guess this one's on Gary too.

Too many kids, so little time....

Honoring Earl 34
12-07-2009, 02:06 PM
a year ago Kubiak actually defended the fact that Brown lines up differently when a pass is called when brought up again (I think Cloak called in)...so it's not gonna be addressed I assume.

I guess that's sneakier than changing tackles completely on pass plays .

Double Barrel
12-07-2009, 02:42 PM
well, no kidding. You would have to be blind not to know Brown didn't tip plays but the Texans never worry about correcting this and when I first noticed it Kubiak was unaware when brought to his attention. We've even had fans call in and ask Kubiak about this on his Coaches show but he said he "wasn't aware of it and would have to look at the film". I put this right up with Casserly stating point blank that Carr didn't stare down receivers and if he did, it's just fans babbling about overrated nuances and all QB's stare down wr's.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-12-06/story/groves_harvey_make_impact_for_jaguars

The Smartest Guy in the RoomŪ does not take advice from mere simpletons. The radio did not convey the massive eye roll conducted by The Smartest Guy in the RoomŪ after proletariat fan dishonored his chance to speak with him by bringing up the obvious in a game of complexity.

drewmar74
12-07-2009, 02:44 PM
I guess that's sneakier than changing tackles completely on pass plays .

:spit:

badboy
12-07-2009, 02:45 PM
well, no kidding. You would have to be blind not to know Brown didn't tip plays but the Texans never worry about correcting this and when I first noticed it Kubiak was unaware when brought to his attention. We've even had fans call in and ask Kubiak about this on his Coaches show but he said he "wasn't aware of it and would have to look at the film". I put this right up with Casserly stating point blank that Carr didn't stare down receivers and if he did, it's just fans babbling about overrated nuances and all QB's stare down wr's.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-12-06/story/groves_harvey_make_impact_for_jaguarsShould not ALex Gibbs be responsible for this? I would have thought Matthews would have caught.

dalemurphy
12-07-2009, 02:47 PM
well, no kidding. You would have to be blind not to know Brown didn't tip plays but the Texans never worry about correcting this and when I first noticed it Kubiak was unaware when brought to his attention. We've even had fans call in and ask Kubiak about this on his Coaches show but he said he "wasn't aware of it and would have to look at the film". I put this right up with Casserly stating point blank that Carr didn't stare down receivers and if he did, it's just fans babbling about overrated nuances and all QB's stare down wr's.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2009-12-06/story/groves_harvey_make_impact_for_jaguars

Vinny, could you explain this in more detail? Don't LTs always tip pass plays when they are 3 yards into the backfield and in a two point stance? What does Brown do differently than other LTs?

sportfan73
12-07-2009, 02:47 PM
:spit:

+100000

Vinny
12-07-2009, 02:48 PM
Vinny, could you explain this in more detail? Don't LTs always tip pass plays when they are 3 yards into the backfield and in a two point stance? What does Brown do differently than other LTs?
no they don't always tip plays in normal down and distance situations and that is what I originally pointed out to my friends, to the Texans and here at the board. They will in obvious passing situations but most DE's don't assume run on 3rd and 12.

Honoring Earl 34
12-07-2009, 02:48 PM
Should not ALex Gibbs be responsible for this? I would have thought Matthews would have caught.

They have Benton , Gibbs , and Matthews watching the OL . Someone should have caught it .

dalemurphy
12-07-2009, 02:51 PM
no they don't always tip plays in normal down and distance situations and that is what I originally pointed out to my friends, to the Texans and here at the board. They will in obvious passing situations but most DE's don't assume run on 3rd and 12.

So, we're talking about a 3 pt stance on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 7... that kind of situation?

I'm going to go back through the game yesterday and look. If anyone has any specific plays to help me, let me know.

Here's a question: on the HB pass, was Brown tipping run, pass, or perhaps he just dropped into a fetal position out of shear confusion?

Mr. White
12-07-2009, 02:58 PM
So, we're talking about a 3 pt stance on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 7... that kind of situation?

I'm going to go back through the game yesterday and look. If anyone has any specific plays to help me, let me know.

Here's a question: on the HB pass, was Brown tipping run, pass, or perhaps he just dropped into a fetal position out of shear confusion?

From Vinny's link

When defensive end Quentin Groves was studying film last week, he noticed that the Texans left tackle Duane Brown was tipping the plays.

When Brown moved his leg back, it was going to be a pass. When he spread them, it was going to be a run.

So Groves, who got the starting nod at right end after being benched twice and overlooked once, knew the first play was going to be a pass when Brown moved his foot back.

Sounds consistent with what we've been hearing the past couple of years.

badboy
12-07-2009, 03:02 PM
They have Benton , Gibbs , and Matthews watching the OL . Someone should have caught it .Yep three guys watching a #1 pick in the most important Oline position.