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Ckw
12-06-2009, 01:43 PM
Ok, so there was no cheap shot on the play. No dirty hits. Nothing. All Schaub did was fall on the ground and what do you know, he gets his annual injury. What has Houston done to the football gods to make them hate us so much and wish this misery on us. Sigh....

And apologies for the somewhat confusing thread title. It should read, "Does anyone still think Schaub isn't a brittle QB?"

Mr. White
12-06-2009, 01:47 PM
He made it a lot longer than I thought he would without leaving a game this season.

The thing is that we all knew it was gonna happen sometime.

DiehardChris
12-06-2009, 01:48 PM
What has Houston done to the football gods to make them hate us so much and wish this misery on us. Sigh....

Proximity to the Osteen ministry.
Proximity to Enron.
Proximity to Matress Mac.

Just for starters.

EDIT - Oops, my bad. I thought you said GOD, not football gods.

Ckw
12-06-2009, 01:49 PM
He made it a lot longer than I thought he would without leaving a game this season.

The thing is that we all knew it was gonna happen sometime.

Sucks don't it? I tried to be a believer and hope Schaub could make it an entire season and I could quit believing he is a brittle QB but alas, my dreams for this season have done anything but come true.

Ckw
12-06-2009, 01:50 PM
Proximity to the Osteen ministry.
Proximity to Enron.
Proximity to Matress Mac.

Just for starters.

:bravo:

Must spread rep. Hopefully someone will rep you for me.

Honoring Earl 34
12-06-2009, 01:51 PM
Proximity to the Osteen ministry.
Proximity to Enron.
Proximity to Matress Mac.

Just for starters.

Oh ... I thought it was the VY curse .

I think a problem with Matt is the DTs can run him down from behind .

DiehardChris
12-06-2009, 01:56 PM
Anyone can run Schaub down from behind. He just held on to the ball too long. Again.

Also - Jags are TERRIBLE at sacking the QB. They have like ten all year... but were any of us surprised that Schaub got sacked on the first play? Nope.

I like Schaub. I think we can win with him - unfortunately he needs FANTASTIC pass protection all the time to be his best, and that's just not going to happen. It doesn't happen with hardly anyone.

Ckw
12-06-2009, 02:03 PM
Anyone can run Schaub down from behind. He just held on to the ball too long. Again.

Also - Jags are TERRIBLE at sacking the QB. They have like ten all year... but were any of us surprised that Schaub got sacked on the first play? Nope.

I like Schaub. I think we can win with him - unfortunately he needs FANTASTIC pass protection all the time to be his best, and that's just not going to happen. It doesn't happen with hardly anyone.

So do we draft a QB this year? It's a great year to do it, and we should be able to get somebody pretty good in the 2nd-4th rounds. I'd look at Tony Pike personally.

Stemp
12-06-2009, 02:03 PM
Schaub is back!!

Honoring Earl 34
12-06-2009, 02:03 PM
Anyone can run Schaub down from behind. He just held on to the ball too long. Again.

Also - Jags are TERRIBLE at sacking the QB. They have like ten all year... but were any of us surprised that Schaub got sacked on the first play? Nope.

I like Schaub. I think we can win with him - unfortunately he needs FANTASTIC pass protection all the time to be his best, and that's just not going to happen. It doesn't happen with hardly anyone.

Yep ... Matt isn't quick .

Schaub is a poor man's Bernie Kosar . Kosar's best weapon was his head . He also had a good RB combo .

Ckw
12-06-2009, 02:06 PM
Schaub is back!!

Let's hope he can stay out there. Already our offense looks ten times more confident.

Khari
12-06-2009, 02:07 PM
props to schaub for coming back in

Ckw
12-06-2009, 02:08 PM
props to schaub for coming back in

Agreed. I'd rep him if I could...

Maybe he got online in the locker room and saw my thread and was like I'm gonna show this little POS...

SheTexan
12-06-2009, 02:12 PM
What's that about Schaub being brittle??! Give the man credit for pete's sake!! He probably has more xylocaine in his shoulder than a pharm has on it's shelf. BUT, he's out there doing his job!! The rest of the team needs to do the same!!!

m5kwatts
12-06-2009, 02:15 PM
Anyone can run Schaub down from behind. He just held on to the ball too long. Again.

Also - Jags are TERRIBLE at sacking the QB. They have like ten all year... but were any of us surprised that Schaub got sacked on the first play? Nope.

I like Schaub. I think we can win with him - unfortunately he needs FANTASTIC pass protection all the time to be his best, and that's just not going to happen. It doesn't happen with hardly anyone.

The guy who drove his shoulder into the ground came on AFTER he was initially stopped by the DT... the problem is Schaub held onto the ball... Schaub's as quick as Peyton the only difference is 18 has a better sack clock in his head than Schaub and throws the ball away

DiehardChris
12-06-2009, 02:15 PM
What's that about Schaub being brittle??! Give the man credit for pete's sake!! He probably has more xylocaine in his shoulder than a pharm has on it's shelf. BUT, he's out there doing his job!! The rest of the team needs to do the same!!!

Maybe he is brittle - but you can't (and never could) question his toughness.

Ckw
12-06-2009, 02:16 PM
What's that about Schaub being brittle??! Give the man credit for pete's sake!! He probably has more xylocaine in his shoulder than a pharm has on it's shelf. BUT, he's out there doing his job!! The rest of the team needs to do the same!!!

As you see in my post above, I definitely think the man deserves his credit. But history has shown he is rather injury prone. It is a pleasant surprise to see him back out there. The way he was acting I figured he would be out for at least a few games. History is on my side though. He has been shown to be a little brittle, but he is showing some major toughness being back out there.

Or the injury really wasn't that bad, and he just made a bigger deal out of it than it was... Regardless, way to go Matt!

wagonhed
12-06-2009, 02:17 PM
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/gif/ppreflex.gif

Dishman
12-06-2009, 02:23 PM
Agreed. I'd rep him if I could...

Maybe he got online in the locker room and saw my thread and was like I'm gonna show this little POS...

LOL - We can only hope so.

DexmanC
12-06-2009, 02:25 PM
When Schaub first came to the Texans, the ball was out of his hands on the
3rd, 5th, or 7th drop. He has progressively held on the the ball long than
he should have, and it got him a separated left shoulder. He needs to get
back to making the right reads quickly, and in tempo.

gtexan02
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
Brittle Schaub >>>>> Tough Grossman

Ckw
12-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Brittle Schaub >>>>> Tough Grossman

No doubt about that. Believe me, I'm not saying he isn't a good QB. In fact, I think Schaub is a very good QB. But regardless of how good he it, it matters not if he can't stay healthy for a full season.

Ryan
12-06-2009, 02:30 PM
Schaub is tough people. He is not our problem. He has an ***** whispering into his ear all game.

Ckw
12-06-2009, 04:04 PM
Schaub is tough people. He is not our problem. He has an ***** whispering into his ear all game.

Schaub is tough. There is no denying he is brittle though. That was the point I was making. In years past when Schaub was injured, it was because of "late hits" and "cheap shots". Be that as it may, injuries will likely follow the man for his entire career.

DerekLee1
12-06-2009, 04:08 PM
The guy who drove his shoulder into the ground came on AFTER he was initially stopped by the DT... the problem is Schaub held onto the ball... Schaub's as quick as Peyton the only difference is 18 has a better O-line, more playmakers, and great coaching

Fixed it for ya.

TexCanada
12-06-2009, 04:09 PM
No doubt about that. Believe me, I'm not saying he isn't a good QB. In fact, I think Schaub is a very good QB. But regardless of how good he it, it matters not if he can't stay healthy for a full season.

Have you forgotten about this season?? How many games has he missed?

Hervoyel
12-06-2009, 04:12 PM
I am waiting to see what happens next week on the "Schaub: Brittle or Not?" question. He came back and played. I'm impressed with that. He not only came back and played but he was more or less effective (To the extent that anybody can be effective with Gary Kubiak & Baby Shanahan pulling the strings on this cluster-****) so I want to see if he's out for next week. If he misses the game next week or now spends the next few weeks (or the rest of the season) out then I'm done with him. I like him, I think he can be effective, but I know Chris Chandler II when I see him. If you can't stay on the field then you can't be considered "the answer" at QB and that pretty much sums this all up.

HTown2ATX
12-06-2009, 04:16 PM
"Does anyone still think Schaub isn't a brittle QB?"

Hell, after he went down, my daughter and I went and made our Christmas gingerbread house early to celebrate Schaubs brittleness as HE IS a friggin gingerbread man.

You almost had me fooled Schaub. You went this long without an injury.....

:foottap:

kcdoubleeagle
12-06-2009, 04:18 PM
anyone who thinks Schaub is the problem on this team must be smoking crack rock. We were lost without him and when he came back in he played great.....bottom line. Our coaching cost us this game....just ridiculous....and I have always supported kubes....shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HTown2ATX
12-06-2009, 04:23 PM
anyone who thinks Schaub is the problem on this team must be smoking crack rock. We were lost without him and when he came back in he played great.....bottom line. Our coaching cost us this game....just ridiculous....and I have always supported kubes....shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he isn't the problem with the Texans.

But he is brittle.....sorry.

He's a china doll.

He's the Texans version of T-Mac.

Silver Oak
12-06-2009, 05:03 PM
anyone who thinks Schaub is the problem on this team must be smoking crack rock. We were lost without him and when he came back in he played great.....bottom line.


at least someone in this thread has a football IQ above 4.

gtexan02
12-07-2009, 12:06 PM
well this thread fails...

Ckw
12-07-2009, 12:18 PM
Have you forgotten about this season?? How many games has he missed?

Of course not. The way Schaub was grimacing after the play and putting his towel over his head, I figured he was done for the season. Props to him for coming back out, but very few QBs suffer as many injuries as Matt. He is a good QB and has stayed healthy this season, that is until yesterday. Combine that with the pulled hammy, or whatever it was earlier in the season, and you have a QB that can correctly be labeled as brittle.

I am waiting to see what happens next week on the "Schaub: Brittle or Not?" question. He came back and played. I'm impressed with that. He not only came back and played but he was more or less effective (To the extent that anybody can be effective with Gary Kubiak & Baby Shanahan pulling the strings on this cluster-****) so I want to see if he's out for next week. If he misses the game next week or now spends the next few weeks (or the rest of the season) out then I'm done with him. I like him, I think he can be effective, but I know Chris Chandler II when I see him. If you can't stay on the field then you can't be considered "the answer" at QB and that pretty much sums this all up.

Agree with everything you have said here. Another injury that causes him to miss games this season, and I honestly believe we have to consider cutting our losses.

anyone who thinks Schaub is the problem on this team must be smoking crack rock. We were lost without him and when he came back in he played great.....bottom line. Our coaching cost us this game....just ridiculous....and I have always supported kubes....shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed. I'm not sure who you are directing your little rant at, but at no point have I said that I think Schaub is the problem. He is a very good QB but once again, he is worthless if he can't stay healthy for a full season and the playoffs. It sucks having a QB that makes me wince everytime he gets touched. I am always left wondering when the next injury is going to occur.

well this thread fails...

Thanks for your contribution.

Blake
12-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Just a knee jerk thread. Nothing more.

Ckw
12-07-2009, 12:27 PM
Just a knee jerk thread. Nothing more.

Somewhat. Ignore it if you want but the guy has a history of injuries. If this were another QB, this thread would not have been started.

It seems there are few on this board with an IQ high enough to understand the difference between saying a guy is the problem and simply stating he is extremely injury prone and may not be the best guy for the job IF he cannot stay healthy for an entire season.

:bravo: to those of you that can actually comprehend the point of this thread.

m5kwatts
12-07-2009, 12:30 PM
Somewhat. Ignore it if you want but the guy has a history of injuries. If this were another QB, this thread would not have been started.

It seems there are few on this board with an IQ high enough to understand the difference between saying a guy is the problem and simply stating he is extremely injury prone and may not be the best guy for the job IF he cannot stay healthy for an entire season.

:bravo: to those of you that can actually comprehend the point of this thread.

The point of the thread should be directed at Schaub's inability to throw the ball away before taking those hits. Its the clock inside a QBs head that says throw it away and Schaub's clock does not work properly or atleast as well as other QBs do. Guys like Favre and Manning are just as big and slow but they get the ball out so quick they don't take the hits Schaub does.

The thread is ridiculous if you're suggesting Schaub has some genetic predisposition to getting hurt because he's brittle or soft. Thats not it. Its when to throw the ball away.

beerlover
12-07-2009, 12:36 PM
Schaub is a work in progress & his body may not survive this process. His general mannersims suggest a very even keel, methodical approach lacking sense of urgency more than anything. He is not an elite athlete for the QB position & would probably get a below average grade in this category. His success or lack thereof is directly related to his head coach, together they fly or fall/fail the latter being the more likely given collective body of work.

Norg
12-07-2009, 12:56 PM
Matt is a warrior hes not like Manning who will drop and give up on a play if he sees has much has a wiff of a defender coming and the defender doesnot even have to touch him

i think its some of the teams we play

THe TItans and Jags have Monsters on there D

Anderson and Vanden douche are scary dumb fools

Ckw
12-07-2009, 01:13 PM
The point of the thread should be directed at Schaub's inability to throw the ball away before taking those hits. Its the clock inside a QBs head that says throw it away and Schaub's clock does not work properly or atleast as well as other QBs do. Guys like Favre and Manning are just as big and slow but they get the ball out so quick they don't take the hits Schaub does.

Agreed. He certainly has a problem with getting rid of the ball quickly.

The thread is ridiculous if you're suggesting Schaub has some genetic predisposition to getting hurt because he's brittle or soft. Thats not it. Its when to throw the ball away.

You're ridiculous! j/k

Actually, I am going to have to disagree with you. I don't know that I would frame it as "some genetic predisposition" but I don't think you can deny that some guys just seem to get hurt easier than others. I am sure there are more examples but here (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/athletes-smaller-acls-may-be-more-susceptible-injury-25117.html) is one writeup on how athletes with smaller ACLs can be more susceptible to injury. I'm not saying that is what Schaub has, but we are all made differently, and I strongly believe some of us are more susceptible to injury than others.

Schaub is a work in progress & his body may not survive this process. His general mannersims suggest a very even keel, methodical approach lacking sense of urgency more than anything. He is not an elite athlete for the QB position & would probably get a below average grade in this category. His success or lack thereof is directly related to his head coach, together they fly or fall/fail the latter being the more likely given collective body of work.

I agree with this for the most part, but I'm not sure about coaching being the problem. I believe, if anything, that Kubiak has made Schaub a better QB than he may have been with another head coach. That being said, Kubiak and Schaub's fates are likely intertwined.

Matt is a warrior hes not like Manning who will drop and give up on a play if he sees has much has a wiff of a defender coming and the defender doesnot even have to touch him

i think its some of the teams we play

THe TItans and Jags have Monsters on there D

Anderson and Vanden douche are scary dumb fools

Good point. Agree with everything you have said. We certainly play in a viscous division. It was even worse when Hayneworth was with the Tits.

disaacks3
12-07-2009, 01:23 PM
You can be tough (mentally) but "brittle" a the same time. I respect the he** out of Schaub for coming back & playing hurt, BUT...

It's not like he was just drilled into the turf. It was a garden-variety sack and he got hurt (again). It's not ridiculous to suggest that he IS injury prone. (My football IQ is just fine, thank you)

This is no way relates to the poor coaching decisions that led to the loss yesterday.

GlassHalfFull
12-07-2009, 02:06 PM
No, he isn't the problem with the Texans.

But he is brittle.....sorry.

He's a china doll.

He's the Texans version of T-Mac.

I planned on staying away today, but just had to see what was being said, my mistake. Comparing him to TMac is just absolute crap. Schaub has heart and desire, two qualities that are severely lacking in TMAC.

SICLICK
12-07-2009, 02:07 PM
Schaub is not the answer at QB and Kubiak is not the answer for HC. Its always been that way.

dalemurphy
12-07-2009, 02:09 PM
Ok, so there was no cheap shot on the play. No dirty hits. Nothing. All Schaub did was fall on the ground and what do you know, he gets his annual injury. What has Houston done to the football gods to make them hate us so much and wish this misery on us. Sigh....

And apologies for the somewhat confusing thread title. It should read, "Does anyone still think Schaub isn't a brittle QB?"

I don't think his toughness is at question but you are right... He is brittle. Some people just don't have the frame to handle the torque that athletic movements put on the body. I'd say with some confidence than injuries will always be an issue with Schaub. It's not his fault but it looks like it is reality.

Texecutioner
12-07-2009, 02:18 PM
I think Schaub has played a very good season and put the Texans in position to tie up games or win them a lot this season. It hasn't been his fault that so many players screwed those opportunities up and the HC made such bone headed decisions. Schaub did his part in many of those games though. Is Schaub an elite QB by any means? No, I've seen him improve this season and answer a lot of the questions that skeptics like myself were unclear about before this season. Schaub is definitely a QB you can win with consistency in the NFL in my opinion. You have to have much better elements around him though. He needs a better running game and a really good defense to help him though. Schaub will never be one of those QB's that carries the team and makes them over achieve though. He simply isn't that good, but QB's like that are extremely hard to find and you might run through dozens of them before you find a guy like that. Schuab is a pretty good QB though, and one I am fine with for now as long as we continue to build the right pieces around him and give him a good defense to help him out.

Mr. White
12-07-2009, 02:27 PM
I haven't seen this minor detail on this board before, but this explains a little. from aj's blog (http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2009m12d6-No-miracles-for-these-Texans).

Hats off to Matt for nutting up and coming back out there but don't lose track of the 10 million other reasons he has to show that he can get through an entire NFL season.

Matt Schaub is playing for a $10 million bonus due after the season (http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2008m9d23-The-truth-about-Matt-Schaubs-contract).

If they exercise the option, which presumably (and hopefully) is based on successful on-field performance and not politics, then yes, Schaub would receive another $10 million dollar option bonus at some point following the '09 season and would be on track to earn that full $48 million over 6 years.

Mike Kerns
12-07-2009, 03:01 PM
I planned on staying away today, but just had to see what was being said, my mistake. Comparing him to TMac is just absolute crap. Schaub has heart and desire, two qualities that are severely lacking in TMAC.

I agree. Not only was that a piss poor thing to say, it was just flat out insulting.

TimeKiller
12-07-2009, 03:06 PM
Maybe he is but he's a damn fine QB and the only thing that made yesterday worth watching. Without a running game, without a decent OL he still makes enough plays to win the game. A shepard among goats.

HoustonFrog
12-07-2009, 03:09 PM
As much as I have been negative about Kubes and how the team sacks up, I like Schaub. He may have a body type that gets hurt. But he plays hard. I actually find him to be a scary QB when "on" his game or flowing in the offense. He makes great reads and his play fakes are really nice. I can't say he is a franchise type guy but in the right offense and with the right line he can light people up. When he is forced to move, things break down. But I think yesterday illustrated the difference of the offense when with a guy not playing much and Schaub.

TheRealJoker
12-07-2009, 05:00 PM
I think a better interior OL will give him more confidence in stepping up into the pocket and help alleviate the problem a bit. He's tough as nails but brittle. Hopefully our next coach will teach him how to beat the rush with hotreads and such, but a better pocket will definitely help.

silvrhand
12-07-2009, 06:53 PM
I think a better interior OL will give him more confidence in stepping up into the pocket and help alleviate the problem a bit. He's tough as nails but brittle. Hopefully our next coach will teach him how to beat the rush with hotreads and such, but a better pocket will definitely help.

Until he runs out of bounds and roles his ankle again.

I'm sorry but looking at Schaub's frame he needs to hit the weights and try to alleviate his frailness. The days of QB's not hitting the weight room are over, they need to get in there and stay fit, and make sure they can take the hits. Schaub would definitely be better off with another 10-15lbs on his frame to help with the frailness problem.

TheRealJoker
12-07-2009, 06:55 PM
Until he runs out of bounds and roles his ankle again.

I'm sorry but looking at Schaub's frame he needs to hit the weights and try to alleviate his frailness. The days of QB's not hitting the weight room are over, they need to get in there and stay fit, and make sure they can take the hits. Schaub would definitely be better off with another 10-15lbs on his frame to help with the frailness problem.

Schaub is 6'5" 240...he's gonna have a hard time getting any bigger without getting slower than he already is :(

spurstexanstros
12-07-2009, 06:58 PM
I hate to bring back a nickname I created last year, even despite Matt coming back and playing well I still think its appropriate because if he doesnt go out we win....so here it is

"Glass Schaub" until proven otherwise.

silvrhand
12-07-2009, 07:00 PM
Schaub is 6'5" 240...he's gonna have a hard time getting any bigger without getting slower than he already is :(

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2008/09000d5d80b8fd4a_gallery_600.jpg

240? Maybe with his pads and helmet on.

JDizzle
12-07-2009, 07:10 PM
I hate to bring back a nickname I created last year, even despite Matt coming back and playing well I still think its appropriate because if he doesnt go out we win....so here it is

"Glass Schaub" until proven otherwise.

Wow that's very creative stuff there.