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Brisco_County
12-01-2009, 07:26 PM
Let's first acknowledge the fact that any unemployed coach right now would have Houston at the top of their list. The reasons include an owner who doesn't meddle and passionate fans who fill the stadium.

But past that, Cowher is not a good fit. His philosophy does not match the current schemes. There would be at least one or two rebuilding years before he would have the team he wants.

On defense, I can't tell if he would keep Frank Bush or not. Bush's experience in coaching every position would always be of use, but Cowher would change the defense to a 3-4. In that scenario, he might use Barwin and Cushing as OLB's with Ryans and Diles in the middle. Okoye would be traded and we'd draft a huge NT. Mario and Smith of course would stay on the line.

On offense, he'd reduce the ZBS to only a few plays and introduce power running. This means another year of rebuilding. We'd definitely get a big center and a guard in the draft. I have no idea how Schaub would adapt.

Ultimately, there would be no way to avoid at least one rebuilding year. That is unless Cowher is fine with keeping what is in place, but that's highly doubtful. In my opinion, Mike Shanahan is the only coach that would keep things intact the way they are.

GuerillaBlack
12-01-2009, 07:30 PM
We wouldn't need to trade Okoye, I don't think. Casey Hampton said in an article that he wouldn't mind playing for his hometown team if Cowher is the coach. He is a FA this offseason... He'd be our NT. Okoye could come in and out, or maybe Mario plays some OLB and he come in as an end.

Norg
12-01-2009, 07:30 PM
Mike Shanahan is the only coach that would keep things intact the way they are


Thats why he should be our coach

bckey
12-01-2009, 07:33 PM
Just say no to Mike Shanahan. Please.

Pollardized
12-01-2009, 07:34 PM
What if it did take another year for Cowher to get the team the way he wanted it? I would welcome the change in philosophy. A power running game that can control the game and manage the clock. That isa huge minus for us right now, so Matt Schaub tends to throw bone headed momentum killing picks. I am not a fan of the ZBS any longer. I think it's time to ditch and get a normal power running game, with an aggresive defense and a coach who isn't afraid to score once a lead has been established.

Showtime100
12-01-2009, 07:35 PM
Mike Shanahan is the only coach that would keep things intact the way they are


Thats why he should be our coach

Then why fire Kubiak? Is a new head coach better if he changes nothing? I would take Cowher in a heartbeat and there's no way it takes two years to "rebuild." I don't know exactly what Cowher would do with personnel but if it took two years he might as well stay put analyzing games. Just my take.

BattleRedToro
12-01-2009, 07:40 PM
Mike Shanahan is the only coach that would keep things intact the way they are


Thats why he should be our coach

That isn't necessarily true. What if the Texans were able to convince Tony Dungy to come out of retirement? He might keep the Offense basically the same since his specialty has always been Defense, also his Defense is a variation of the 4-3 so the change there would be minimal.

mussop
12-01-2009, 07:43 PM
Mike Shanahan is the only coach that would keep things intact the way they are


Thats why he shouldnt be our coach

Fixed it for you.

LonerATO
12-01-2009, 07:54 PM
We wouldn't need to trade Okoye, I don't think. Casey Hampton said in an article that he wouldn't mind playing for his hometown team if Cowher is the coach. He is a FA this offseason... He'd be our NT. Okoye could come in and out, or maybe Mario plays some OLB and he come in as an end.

Okyoe could still be used in a 4-3 look

mussop
12-01-2009, 08:02 PM
Not wanting a 3/4 defense isnt a good reason for not hiring a new coach. Teams with less talent than us have switched and been succesfull the first year. Here are some examples.

4 out of the top five defenses right now are 3/4 and 2 out of those 4 just switched this year. Denver (#5) and Green Bay (#1). Guess who the other 3/4 top defenses are. Pittsburg (#3), who runs the exact sytem we are talking about here and the Jets (#2) who just switched last year.

If you look at Green Bay and Denvers defensive depth chart at the beginning of this year. (before the draft and free agency) I bet we have fairly equal talent if not better than any of them. It can be done and done quickly.

If you are worried about the offense it can be done fast too. The only thing its really lacking is some Guards that can power block. Some of the top Guards in last years draft lasted into the 5th and 6th round. This team could be transformed from Denver South to Pittsburgh South really fast.

phantom17
12-01-2009, 08:09 PM
I vote for COWHER because I think he has a better chance in taking this poor excuse of a team & molding it into a VERY GOOD team. He has a proven track record! Plus I like his smashmouth style football, just say NO to finesse! Football is all about power & aggression, take no prisoner sport!!!! Let the CHIN begin!!!:whip:

Mailman
12-01-2009, 08:22 PM
Regardless of whether we're talking about Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or Marty Schottenheimer, I think this serves as a prime teaching example (http://www.fireseanpayton.com/) in exercising just a little more patience.

Vinny
12-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Cowher wouldn't be a good fit? humorus.

What can you get in a trade for 0k0ye? probably 0, that's what.

Personally, I don't think Cowher is coming here - for the record. McNair is gonna David Carr this one all the way.

GuerillaBlack
12-01-2009, 08:25 PM
Regardless of whether we're talking about Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or Marty Schottenheimer, I think this serves as a prime teaching example (http://www.fireseanpayton.com/) in exercising just a little more patience.

Not even the same thing.

Showtime100
12-01-2009, 08:30 PM
Please Man Upstairs, no Marty Schottenheimer or Mike Shanahan.

TheRealJoker
12-01-2009, 08:33 PM
With our current personnel we might be even better off with a 3-4 defense provided we can get a legit NT like Hampton. Hell, we need a legit NT either way, at least with the 3-4 we can add 4 LBers on the field instead of 2 DTs. Our best players would be on the field in the front 7 and with Barwin, Cushing, and occasionally standing up Mario we'd have great pass rush potential from the edges.

Antonio Smith managed to do well enough in Arizona to convince us to sign him as a part-time 3-4 end. Mario is certainly strong enough to hold the POA as a 3-4 end. We still need to upgrade the secondary but that goes without saying regardless of the 3-4.

Moving to the power-running scheme would force us to find players on the OL who can get a push in short yardage situations instead of us watching the same offense stall out in the redzone with the current personnel on the OL. Caldwell should already fit the mold, add 2 a legit starting center and an insurance policy in case Pitts cant come back as a quality guard then we're even better off on the OL.

Schaub would be fine playing behind an OL that he can trust will not collapse in the middle every time he drops back to pass. Maybe then he'd step up in the pocket and reduce the chance of getting stripped late in the 4th quarter the next time we play the Colts? Our redzone offense would improve, with AJ/JJ/maybe KW if he resigns at WR and OD returning at TE we've got the targets to still move the ball between the 20s. Add a power back behind a stronger interior OL and we start getting tds instead of fgs.

Considering how quick brand new HCs have completely turned around teams inside of one season its laughable to even consider that we'd be MORE LIKELY to have a 1 year rebuilding period WITH a proven HC!!!

Hervoyel
12-01-2009, 08:36 PM
Well, I'd be fine with Cowher but I don't think he's coming here either. I just think that's a bit too pie-in-the-sky perfect for us to actually happen. I don't see how McNair could possibly not screw that up.

When I think of the Texans actually hiring someone like Cowher I picture them taking a step toward actually changing the personality of the franchise. Bob McNair is the owner and all things flow from the top in the NFL but in many ways he's very much like the Rooney family in what he wants. He doesn't have the knowledge or experience to take his team where he wants to go so he's dependent on others at this stage of the game (and maybe for his entire life as an NFL owner). Bill Cowher comes from the kind of place that Bob McNair is thinking of. He's a product of that environment.

I really think we are looking for someone to imprint a different personality on this organization. I can't think of anyone available and possibly interested who I'd rather have doing that than Cowher.

MannyFresh
12-01-2009, 10:19 PM
Fixed it for you.

LOL...rep

Leahmic223
12-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Well rebuilding with Cower at least would have a good chance to result in a playoff team.

When you hire someone like that, you have trust that they will turn things around.

Corrosion
12-01-2009, 11:17 PM
Please Man Upstairs, no Marty Schottenheimer or Mike Shanahan.

I second this .... Dont want either. I'd rather go thru another year of Kubiak and Co than have either of them.

Its pretty obvious to me that the coaches have put the players in a position to win - how many of the games they lost have the been in position to win or tie on the final possession ? All but the first against the Jets and the last against the Dolts. I think more of this falls on the players than on the coaches. They have been put in position to succeed and just havent gotten it done.


With a few breaks , Snoopy could coach this team and look like a genius next season.

Big Poundcake
12-02-2009, 01:38 AM
I agree that the Texans could be a pretty good 3-4 team if they could get a pretty solid NT(Casey Hampton or Shaun Rogers).

michaelm
12-02-2009, 02:25 AM
I would be willing to pay the price of one season retooling the team a bit if the end result is Cower bringing long term success, and also respect to the franchise.


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Goldensilence
12-02-2009, 01:54 PM
Please Man Upstairs, no Marty Schottenheimer or Mike Shanahan.

I can understand not wanting Shanahan here. I think that'd be bad.

However, I'm curious as to the argument against Schott. If we can't get Cowher I'd argue he's the next logical coach who has a track record of success other then Holmgren, who looks like he's possibly headed to the Browns FO.

Schott's teams play smart, they typically run the ball well and play good defense.

TimeKiller
12-02-2009, 01:56 PM
Reasons for not wanting Cowher:

I hate watching teams that win.

Second Honeymoon
12-02-2009, 02:06 PM
There is no case to be made against Cowher.

Are you so worried about change that you would retain someone who got you less than desireable results for 4 years?

at what point do you make a move? right now, there are candidates that would CLEARLY improve our head coaching situation. if we give Kubes another year and he continues to fail, do we then fire him when there aren't the same caliber of candidates? We would probably have to go the 'unproven' head coach route after this offseason. This is the time.

To have Shanny, Cowher, Holmgren, Schotty, and Gruden available this offseason makes changing coaches very appealing. Now we don't want Shanny because that would just be wrong, but any of the other guys would be great improvements over our existing head coach.

You may have Cowher handpicking a team to return with. With our youth and with our resources, its possible that Bill may want to come here. He knows he would instantly become a phenomenon here in Houston in fan interest/belief and I think it would really spark this franchise especially the players.

treduke
12-02-2009, 02:26 PM
I would love cowher here!
I think we already have the talent to switch over to a 3-4 minus a big stud dt! While I think cowher would be a great fit, something tells me kubiak gets ONE more season!

HTown2ATX
12-02-2009, 03:02 PM
My heads gonna explode from thinking about this.

On the one hand, I do want to see a change and want to see the Chin come in to Houston. (My family is Steelers fans that live in Houston, so that would be awesome...:) )

On the other hand, I can see the argument for keep Kubiak one more year. He seems so effing close, it just doesn't happen.

I tend to think that some players are just not that good and maybe that's what is holding us back.

It's funny that as outspoken and opinionated I usually am.....I'm on the fence on this one right now.

I guess I want to see how the last games go 1st. Even though this little piss ant town I'm stuck in will probably be showing/gargeling VY and the Hoot's here anyway.

Maddict5
12-02-2009, 03:06 PM
and passionate fans who fill the stadium.



:thinking:

Dread-Head
12-02-2009, 03:49 PM
Hey...I LIKE Marty-ball!

Texans_Chick
12-02-2009, 05:39 PM
Hey...I LIKE Marty-ball!

Dude is ancient.

Texans_Chick
12-02-2009, 05:51 PM
The Case Against Cowher:

1. The team is built completely different than the way Cowher likes his team, especially on the lines. They drafted players for fit, especially on offense. That means major do-over.

2. All of his assistants are either happily staying in Steelerland or in other parts of the league. You think he might miss Dick LeBeau? If you've been out of the league, you have lost your assistants.

3. He will not be playing a home game every week like he did with the Steelers road fans.

4. There's no telling how he would do outside the Steeler bubble and being away from coaching for a while. Who would his GM be?

Ultimately, I think the Texans name was floated so he could get more money from the Panthers. He has no connections to this part of the world. I just don't see it happening.

texanhead08
12-02-2009, 06:15 PM
We could use a good NT matter what defense we decide to run. Thats part of what is wrong with the defense we have now. I think you could see them take a major step up next year with a stud inside.

Double Barrel
12-02-2009, 06:26 PM
The Case Against Cowher:

1. The team is built completely different than the way Cowher likes his team, especially on the lines. They drafted players for fit, especially on offense. That means major do-over.

2. All of his assistants are either happily staying in Steelerland or in other parts of the league. You think he might miss Dick LeBeau? If you've been out of the league, you have lost your assistants.

3. He will not be playing a home game every week like he did with the Steelers road fans.

4. There's no telling how he would do outside the Steeler bubble and being away from coaching for a while. Who would his GM be?

Ultimately, I think the Texans name was floated so he could get more money from the Panthers. He has no connections to this part of the world. I just don't see it happening.

Just about any team in need of a new head coach could make that case against Cowher, but he remains the hot name on the list for all of these teams.

For every reason that you list against him, there are countering and valid reasons why he would make a great head coach.

Fear of rebuilding or change is not a valid reason to stick with mediocrity, IMO.

Even if he couldn't get his previous assistants, he would most likely find people with experience at those positions (as opposed to the noobs we have for first time GM, OC, and DC).

Lots of teams win in spite of a lack of their fans on the road.

Nobody knows the future, so yeah, there is no telling. But, he has proven himself to be a winner and it is common knowledge that the man knows how to instill a winning attitude while maintaining accountability and respect for a franchise.

Maybe Cowher is using our name for leverage, but then again, since that is pure speculation, perhaps he likes the players he sees here and welcomes the challenge of taking a floundering franchise and making it successful for the first time. All head coaches have big egos, so that potential glory could be a motivating factor, as well. [/speculation]

spurstexanstros
12-02-2009, 06:47 PM
The next Head Coach of the Houston Texans....Spurstexanstros...Hey I am
.500 in Madden I would be better but I get ahead in games then lose at the last second. My son could call the plays..he likes AJ so he may actually call plays for the guy in the redzone...or QB be cause he is not color blind ( He did almost put a bean bag in that titan fan's chilli.)


I know I can coach and GM.....well at least on here. Afterall all of us have professional football coaching and front office experiance right?

Bottomline whatever happens I hope the coach is given longer tenure than a president because that would seem to be the pattern if Kubiak is fired.

Brisco_County
12-02-2009, 07:49 PM
Not wanting a 3/4 defense isnt a good reason for not hiring a new coach. Teams with less talent than us have switched and been succesfull the first year. Here are some examples.

4 out of the top five defenses right now are 3/4 and 2 out of those 4 just switched this year. Denver (#5) and Green Bay (#1). Guess who the other 3/4 top defenses are. Pittsburg (#3), who runs the exact sytem we are talking about here and the Jets (#2) who just switched last year.

If you look at Green Bay and Denvers defensive depth chart at the beginning of this year. (before the draft and free agency) I bet we have fairly equal talent if not better than any of them. It can be done and done quickly.

If you are worried about the offense it can be done fast too. The only thing its really lacking is some Guards that can power block. Some of the top Guards in last years draft lasted into the 5th and 6th round. This team could be transformed from Denver South to Pittsburgh South really fast.

Good post. I wasn't aware of those stats.

Last year's draft was very deep for O-linemen. This next draft won't be, though there will be a lot of good DT's coming out.

There is no case to be made against Cowher.

Are you so worried about change that you would retain someone who got you less than desireable results for 4 years?

at what point do you make a move? right now, there are candidates that would CLEARLY improve our head coaching situation. if we give Kubes another year and he continues to fail, do we then fire him when there aren't the same caliber of candidates? We would probably have to go the 'unproven' head coach route after this offseason. This is the time.

To have Shanny, Cowher, Holmgren, Schotty, and Gruden available this offseason makes changing coaches very appealing. Now we don't want Shanny because that would just be wrong, but any of the other guys would be great improvements over our existing head coach.

You may have Cowher handpicking a team to return with. With our youth and with our resources, its possible that Bill may want to come here. He knows he would instantly become a phenomenon here in Houston in fan interest/belief and I think it would really spark this franchise especially the players.

The more posts I read in this thread, the more I'm on the fence. There are some good arguments being made.

You're right that now is an opportune time for making a decision. What McNair will have to do is listen to each candidate present their vision of the team's direction, and decide if it's persuasive enough to scrap what's in place.

If Bill did come here, I think the reception from Houston fans would be comparable to the one Nick Saban got from Alabama.

The Case Against Cowher:

1. The team is built completely different than the way Cowher likes his team, especially on the lines. They drafted players for fit, especially on offense. That means major do-over.

2. All of his assistants are either happily staying in Steelerland or in other parts of the league. You think he might miss Dick LeBeau? If you've been out of the league, you have lost your assistants.

3. He will not be playing a home game every week like he did with the Steelers road fans.

4. There's no telling how he would do outside the Steeler bubble and being away from coaching for a while. Who would his GM be?

Ultimately, I think the Texans name was floated so he could get more money from the Panthers. He has no connections to this part of the world. I just don't see it happening.

1: This is the most important argument against him coming here. Rebuilding the line takes a year or two, even before adding depth. However, this factor is a deterrent for McNair, not Cowher.

2, 3, 4: These factors take a lower priority to what really matters, which is money. If he's one of the highest paid coaches in the league, he'll have no fear of forming new relationships within new networks.

As long as Cowher gets paid, he has nothing to lose. I don't see him taking a lower bid for a more favorable situation. The one taking the risk is McNair.

Good blog post on Schaub today, BTW.

Hervoyel
12-02-2009, 08:44 PM
Has anyone ever heard the version of events that goes something like "Well when McNair and Casserly went looking for a head coach Dom Capers was the best option out there at the time and when he went looking for coordinators he hired Palmer and Fangio because they were the best available choices at the time"? This is usually followed by a statement about how there just wasn't much to pick from when the Texans were putting their coaching staff together.

(Now that I think about this didn't his coordinators get hired before him or at the same time? I seem to remember him accepting what he was given but the explanation remains the same. They were supposedly the best available guys or some such BS)

I've heard that said many times since 2002 and by many people. I accept it as an accurate description of the circumstances.

Right now there are more coaches with Super Bowl rings looking for jobs than I can remember ever seeing in my lifetime. At the same time I see Gary Kubiak cruising toward his third .500 season in three years and his fourth non-winning season in four.

For the life of me I do not understand the resistance to changing something that is not working. I get that some of you think that next year it will "somehow" start working but I don't know what gives you that impression. Even with examples right now of teams playing the 3-4 well following a switch there's still this idea that we're going to have to completely revamp what we're doing and start another Soviet style "5 year plan" to win. I just don't get it.

If we win the next 5 games and finish 10-6 I'll be happy but it won't stop me from absolutely expecting us to get rolled out of the playoffs the very first week and it won't stop me from being certain that next year will be another year of swept by the Colts, embarrassed by the Titans, and just happy to be keeping up with the Jaguars. Good teams kill us just about every single time we play them. That was true last year and it's true this year.

2008: Crushed by the Steelers, Titans, Jaguars, and Colts. Then we beat Miami, Detroit, and Cincinnati. Two were dogs last season and the Dolphins were our "Even a blind hog finds an acorn" win of the first half.

Then we lose to the Vikings (good), Ravens (good), and Colts (good) before our big late in the year push against the chump teams (Browns, Jaguars (who were fading fast), Packers (6-10), and Titans (Look another acorn!) before blowing a game to the Raiders (god forbid we top .500 around here) and the Bears (9-7 admittedly but why not go all out against them in the last, meaningless game of the year. That's when we're at out best.

2009 isn't much different. Sure there are oddball wins mixed in but for the most part we consistently lose to anyone truly good and usually beat the lousy teams. There's something to cling to tenaciously eh? Can anyone really even make the case that we're a better team than we were last year? Last year we had a running game and ranked third in offense. This year we can't run the ball (and when we can our coach mysteriously stops doing it) and we're down to 8th. Still top 10 but a drop off nonetheless. Our defense got better but damn, could it have gotten any worse? We've made the monumental climb from 22nd at the end of last year to 17th. We dropped 5 spots on offense and improved 5 spots on defense.

How utterly "Houston Texans" of us.

Lucky
12-02-2009, 09:57 PM
We dropped 5 spots on offense and improved 5 spots on defense.

How utterly "Houston Texans" of us.
Hammer meet nail. The brutal truth.

Kaiser Toro
12-02-2009, 10:13 PM
We dropped 5 spots on offense and improved 5 spots on defense.

How utterly "Houston Texans" of us.

And that's another TexansTalk FIRST DOWN:kitten:

Kaiser Toro
12-02-2009, 10:23 PM
The Case Against Cowher:

1. The team is built completely different than the way Cowher likes his team, especially on the lines. They drafted players for fit, especially on offense. That means major do-over.

2. All of his assistants are either happily staying in Steelerland or in other parts of the league. You think he might miss Dick LeBeau? If you've been out of the league, you have lost your assistants.

3. He will not be playing a home game every week like he did with the Steelers road fans.

4. There's no telling how he would do outside the Steeler bubble and being away from coaching for a while. Who would his GM be?

Ultimately, I think the Texans name was floated so he could get more money from the Panthers. He has no connections to this part of the world. I just don't see it happening.

1. Our line is need of a major overhaul internally as it is, great time for a new coach. Moreover, Brown and Winston are athletes for their size and "could" play other positions.

2. How happy has been Mularkey been since leaving Pittsburgh? Three different teams and three different roles since 2005. Perhaps woo Grimm as OC/OL Coach for one year from AZ. Keep Frank Bush, perhaps. I do believe that a better running game would have helped this defense after the first couple of games

3. Pittsburgh travels well, but this seriously cannot and should not be ever considered in a hiring process

4. His GM will be Marty Schottenheimer, since we are all thinking out loud. :)

TexansSeminole
12-02-2009, 10:39 PM
I don't think we need to worry about seeing a major overhaul on the defense if we switch to a 3-4. We don't have alot of solid players on defense. We have some very good players that could fit any scheme (Mario, Meco, Cushing) mixed with a bunch of fillers. Honestly, I think Mario could be a GREAT 3-4 end. You wouldn't have to worry about him looping around and running himself out of the play, that's for sure. I know everyone keeps talking about Cushing at OLB in the 3-4 but how about at ILB. Put Cushing and Meco in the middle. That would be a great duo, and a guy like Cushing could probably move around on the defense depending on down and distance and situations.

The rest of our front seven is filled with a bunch of average to below average football players, no matter the scheme. Antonio Smith played some hybrid 3-4 at Arizona and seems to physically be fit for the 3-4 end. Okoye needs some kind of change, maybe he would be better at 3-4 end. Barwin is still new to the defensive side of the ball and would probably be as good of a fit at 3-4 OLB rather than a 4-3 end. Diles and Adibi could probably be backups to Cushing and Meco at ILB.

So really all your missing when it comes to starters in the front seven are the NT and an OLB. Maybe Okam can be a backup NT.

Guys like Cody and Bulman need to be replaced anyway, I wouldn't worry about how they fit into a 3-4 defense.

Thing about switching to a 3-4 defense is that we would have to make a splash in free agency. With a guy like Cowher and the young studs on the D, I doubt you would have alot of problems convincing guys to come join the squad.

GuerillaBlack
12-02-2009, 10:42 PM
So really all your missing when it comes to starters in the front seven are the NT and an OLB. Maybe Okam can be a backup NT.

Guys like Cody and Bulman need to be replaced anyway, I wouldn't worry about how they fit into a 3-4 defense.

Thing about switching to a 3-4 defense is that we would have to make a splash in free agency. With a guy like Cowher and the young studs on the D, I doubt you would have alot of problems convincing guys to come join the squad.

This whole part of your post is where Casey Hampton comes in.

mussop
12-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Has anyone ever heard the version of events that goes something like "Well when McNair and Casserly went looking for a head coach Dom Capers was the best option out there at the time and when he went looking for coordinators he hired Palmer and Fangio because they were the best available choices at the time"? This is usually followed by a statement about how there just wasn't much to pick from when the Texans were putting their coaching staff together.

(Now that I think about this didn't his coordinators get hired before him or at the same time? I seem to remember him accepting what he was given but the explanation remains the same. They were supposedly the best available guys or some such BS)

I've heard that said many times since 2002 and by many people. I accept it as an accurate description of the circumstances.

Right now there are more coaches with Super Bowl rings looking for jobs than I can remember ever seeing in my lifetime. At the same time I see Gary Kubiak cruising toward his third .500 season in three years and his fourth non-winning season in four.

For the life of me I do not understand the resistance to changing something that is not working. I get that some of you think that next year it will "somehow" start working but I don't know what gives you that impression. Even with examples right now of teams playing the 3-4 well following a switch there's still this idea that we're going to have to completely revamp what we're doing and start another Soviet style "5 year plan" to win. I just don't get it.

If we win the next 5 games and finish 10-6 I'll be happy but it won't stop me from absolutely expecting us to get rolled out of the playoffs the very first week and it won't stop me from being certain that next year will be another year of swept by the Colts, embarrassed by the Titans, and just happy to be keeping up with the Jaguars. Good teams kill us just about every single time we play them. That was true last year and it's true this year.

2008: Crushed by the Steelers, Titans, Jaguars, and Colts. Then we beat Miami, Detroit, and Cincinnati. Two were dogs last season and the Dolphins were our "Even a blind hog finds an acorn" win of the first half.

Then we lose to the Vikings (good), Ravens (good), and Colts (good) before our big late in the year push against the chump teams (Browns, Jaguars (who were fading fast), Packers (6-10), and Titans (Look another acorn!) before blowing a game to the Raiders (god forbid we top .500 around here) and the Bears (9-7 admittedly but why not go all out against them in the last, meaningless game of the year. That's when we're at out best.

2009 isn't much different. Sure there are oddball wins mixed in but for the most part we consistently lose to anyone truly good and usually beat the lousy teams. There's something to cling to tenaciously eh? Can anyone really even make the case that we're a better team than we were last year? Last year we had a running game and ranked third in offense. This year we can't run the ball (and when we can our coach mysteriously stops doing it) and we're down to 8th. Still top 10 but a drop off nonetheless. Our defense got better but damn, could it have gotten any worse? We've made the monumental climb from 22nd at the end of last year to 17th. We dropped 5 spots on offense and improved 5 spots on defense.

How utterly "Houston Texans" of us.

Damit must spread rep! I wish I could use that post as my sig. Well said.

Lucky
12-03-2009, 12:40 AM
Fear of rebuilding or change is not a valid reason to stick with mediocrity, IMO.
No, it's not.

There isn't a valid case against Cowher coaching the Texans. Great coaches put players into position to win. It's unfathomable to me that Cowher couldn't utilize Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, DeMeco Ryans, Andre Johnson, Matt Schaub, Owen Daniels, Steve Slaton, Eric Winston, Duane Brown, etc. Maybe fringe starters like Myers or Studdard would be bad fits. Maybe Okoye would be a fish out of water. Not good reasons to bring in a stellar coach such as Cowher.

Corrosion
12-03-2009, 01:06 AM
No, it's not.

There isn't a valid case against Cowher coaching the Texans. Great coaches put players into position to win. It's unfathomable to me that Cowher couldn't utilize Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, DeMeco Ryans, Andre Johnson, Matt Schaub, Owen Daniels, Steve Slaton, Eric Winston, Duane Brown, etc. Maybe fringe starters like Myers or Studdard would be bad fits. Maybe Okoye would be a fish out of water. Not good reasons to bring in a stellar coach such as Cowher.

The current staff has "Put them in a position to win" .... the team just hasnt done it.

GuerillaBlack
12-03-2009, 01:21 AM
Hell nah. The current staff can't coach right in crunch time and aren't good motivators. Cowher has those qualities.

mussop
12-03-2009, 03:16 AM
The current staff has "Put them in a position to win" .... the team just hasnt done it.

Cop out!!!

Yeh the players have made mistakes that have cost us games but that doesnt mean the coaches havent been making them too. Poor game decisions, clock management and personel adjustments have been the norm since Kubiak arrived. You know that! The subject has been beat to death here. And did you ever think that maybe they have put the players in the position to win but they didnt because they werent coached well?

Anyway dont you think its silly to to say its not the coaches fault the players arent performing? That is the sole purpose of the coach. He has had 4 years to get "his" guys in here and get them to perform at an exceptable level. IMO the team isnt performing at an exceptable level. Do you really think they are?

I dont know how anyone can say Kubiak wasnt given a fair chance and I dont know how anyone can say he has done a good enough job.