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DoCt3rJ
02-24-2005, 09:36 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8225295
Anyone have the full list of the specs of this year's combine players? They have a few on NFL.com ...


Maurice Clarett is said to look in good shape..

sprtsfanatic
02-24-2005, 09:50 PM
thanks for the post..its intersting to see how and what these players will do and perform.

TexSon
02-24-2005, 10:38 PM
More combine tidbits...

http://www.draftshowcase.com/05combine1.htm

Lucky
02-24-2005, 11:44 PM
This just has to be the largest group of offensive linemen ever at the combine. Of the 60 linemen who were weighed in & measured, only 3 came in at less than 300 lbs. They weighed in at 299, 299, & 298 lbs. Ten tackles were 6'7" or taller, including 6'9" Sam Lightbody of Washington State.

UberDork
02-25-2005, 08:52 AM
Here is another link to NFL Draft Countdown (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/scoutingcombine.html)

texasguy346
02-25-2005, 09:01 AM
Wow Kay Jay Harris weighed in at 241 lbs. That's nearly FB kind of poundage.

Youngstown Colt
02-25-2005, 10:41 AM
An offensive lineman from BYU benched 225 44 times! Keep in mind at the pro bowl, the best any NFL player could do was 32 by La'roi Glover. He said he had done 52 at BYU, so he was upset with his reps

beerlover
02-25-2005, 10:52 AM
An offensive lineman from BYU benched 225 44 times! Keep in mind at the pro bowl, the best any NFL player could do was 32 by La'roi Glover. He said he had done 52 at BYU, so he was upset with his reps

Scott Young, very impressive but even more impressive is the fact by the age of 14 he became an Eagle Scout (to me that displays great character) evidently though he is very raw & inexperienced, someone who sits on the bench and develops for a couple years until either through necessity or need thrown to the wolves. he is the type of player you aquire extra late picks for and hide them in your depth chart.

Huge
02-25-2005, 11:48 AM
I have seen Anthony Davis listed as high as 5'10 on some charts. To check in at 5'6 is eye popping. Hilarious the way these schools skew the player's measurements to make them more appealing.

beerlover
02-25-2005, 12:19 PM
I have seen Anthony Davis listed as high as 5'10 on some charts. To check in at 5'6 is eye popping. Hilarious the way these schools skew the player's measurements to make them more appealing.

true that. its the bigger names to be scrutinized that interst me however, for instance if Pac Man Jones measures less than advertised, if you where the GM of the BOYZ (HUGE) would you still take a chance on him with the #11th pick or maybe wait for him to slide to #20?

Huge
02-25-2005, 01:23 PM
I haven't jumped on the bandwagon of needing CBs to be 6'0, 200 to play the position effectively these days. With all the new rules in place, they're required more to play the ball than they are the WR. So how small/big the WR is shouldn't really matter.

If Jones comes in at 5'9, 175, I'd be cool with that. I don't think Aaron Glenn is much bigger than that and how many Pro Bowls has he been to?

But I still wouldn't want to see them use the 11th pick on a CB...regardless of who it is. I think the position would be better addressed through free agency. Now if they're able to land a OLB/DE playmaker (Merriman or DJ) at #11 and a player like Carlos Rogers drops to 20th, then I wouldn't mind a bit.

Honestly though, expect Jones to trade the 11th pick. I think he'd be looking for a first next year and a 3rd this year to replace the pick we lost for Henson.

DoCt3rJ
02-25-2005, 02:52 PM
Running back Brandon Jacobs measured in at 267 today :shocked

DoCt3rJ
02-25-2005, 02:54 PM
Also Mike Williams measured in at 6'4 =)

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8228690

ledzeppelin229
02-25-2005, 04:02 PM
Running back Brandon Jacobs measured in at 267 today :shocked

How are his hands for receiving? Sounds more like a TE, supposedly he runs under a 4.6

I know a few places have considered him switching positiion.

DoCt3rJ
02-25-2005, 04:37 PM
Ya hes like 270 at 6'4, either that or a H-Back or something... idk about his hands.

Wolf
02-25-2005, 05:57 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=6631

this thread has a link to Jacobs and other players.

TexSon
02-25-2005, 09:08 PM
Friday's report...

http://www.draftshowcase.com/05combine2.htm

tiger06
02-26-2005, 11:44 AM
If you don't have NFL Network, you can watch the combine coverage at www.redskins.com

TEXANS84
02-26-2005, 11:49 AM
Excellent find! Now I definitley will not get anything done around the house.

TexSon
02-26-2005, 11:55 AM
:thumbup
Awesome. Thanks!

Lucky
02-26-2005, 12:14 PM
Classy move by the Skins. :thumbup

That's the 1st time I've ever said something complimentry to Danny Snyder. :shocked

nunusguy
02-26-2005, 12:45 PM
Ronnie Brown, @ 232 lbs., just knocked out a 4.32 on his second 40. Cha- ching, Cha-ching.

Lucky
02-26-2005, 12:46 PM
Ronnie Brown just ran 4.40 & 4.32 40 yard dashes. :shocked Now I know why these scouts become infatuated with these sprints. Brown just exploded into another gear after about 10 yards.

Clarett ran in the 4.7 - 4.8 range. :shrug:

texasguy346
02-26-2005, 12:48 PM
Great find! I logged in just in time to see Ronnie Brown run that 4.32. I also saw Nehimiah Broughton out of the Citadel run a 4.4, and he's a big FB type. Clarrett on the other hand hasn't been running too well.

nunusguy
02-26-2005, 12:52 PM
Hey Tiger06, you get a big ahta-boy for posting this link - thanks a million pardner !

TexSon
02-26-2005, 12:56 PM
Wow. I'm suprised Clarett ran so s-l-o-w. That is getting into offensive lineman range.
Ronnie Brown was unreal.

nunusguy
02-26-2005, 01:00 PM
How fast is this Indy carpet ? Guy runs a 4.5 here, he's gonna be 4.6-4.7 on
natural grass ?

DoCt3rJ
02-26-2005, 01:33 PM
Ya about that, I just read this thread and it says there is no show right now? Did they take a break or is my comp messsed?

WildBlackBear32
02-26-2005, 01:35 PM
Coverage is from 12-2 EST.

DoCt3rJ
02-26-2005, 01:35 PM
Ah i see....

threetoedpete
02-26-2005, 02:27 PM
Bump. thanks for the links. As far as day two guys go, and I know I'll be blown out of the water for this, but the kid from the Citidel, the 250 pound fullback, I wonder how far he'll drop
and if he could transition to the defense ? Make a heck of a special teamer. 250 running that fast could cause some serious damage. Did you see his SBJ ? Very nice. Deffinatly an atlete. Why didn't God give me a body like that. LOL. When is Well's conract up ? Anyone else see any day two guys they liked this morning ? I heard them talking about Young the BYU lineman as a project.

threetoedpete
02-26-2005, 02:34 PM
Wow. I'm suprised Clarett ran so s-l-o-w. That is getting into offensive lineman range.
Ronnie Brown was unreal.

UH huh. I really do hope Clarett find himself. I really do. What surrprised me was the scowl on his face. It was almost like the event was beneath him. JMHO. Someone will take him no doubt. I'll believe day one when it happens.

I was Wrong about Brown definately a top five pick. Awesome run.

Vinny
02-26-2005, 03:10 PM
Interesting and funny fact about how Incognito got his last name...
http://images.nfl.com/photos/img8231456.jpg
Incognito is quite an offensive lineman, and he's got quite a last name. His ancestors came to America from Italy and couldn't speak a word of english. They get to Ellis Island and the people who work with immigrants couldn't communicate with them. So for their last name, they wrote "Incognito." The rest is history, and this young man is certainly not "going incognito" at the combine. He's got lots of player personnel buzzing about him.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8231444

Here is an up-to-date list of the 20 players trying out at different positions. Eighteen of them are defensive linemen also working out as a linebacker:

Jonathan Babineaux, Iowa
Vincent Burns, Kentucky
Dan Cody, Oklahoma
Trent Cole, Cincinnati
Chauncey Davis, Florida State
Andre Frazier, Cincinnati
Johnathan Goddard, Marshall
Erasmus James, Wisconsin
Khari Long, Baylor
David McMillan, Kansas
Shawne Merriman, Maryland
Eric Moore, Florida State
David Pollack, Georgia
Ryan Riddle, Cal
matt Roth, Iowa
Justin Tuck, Notre Dame
Demarcus Ware, Troy
Jonathan Welsh, Wisconsin

And two are other players at other positions:

Matt Jones, Arkansas (QB and WR)
Antonio Perkins, Oklahoma (DB and WR)

In discussions in the Convention Center hallway, it appears one really strong position this year that hasn’t been played up much is center. “It’s the best crop in years,” one respected Combine veteran said, “and with all the 3-4 defenses, that could be significant.” Crennel supported that assumption Friday when he talked about the key to the 3-4 scheme, which he employed so effectively as the Patriots’ defensive coordinator. “You have to be good inside,” Crennel said. “Just like in baseball, where you have to be strong up the middle, you’ve got to get the job done at nose tackle, inside linebacker and safety. When you have good players there, it makes the conversion a lot easier.”
http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Scouting+Combine/2005/cmbnotebook022605.htm

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-26-2005, 06:18 PM
Ronnie Brown's official time was 4.48

nunusguy
02-26-2005, 10:13 PM
Ronnie Brown's official time was 4.48
Guess the guy operating that 4.32 stop watch was even faster than the Indy
carpet.

Reddevil63
02-27-2005, 12:07 AM
Defensive end Marcus Spears of LSU, whose stock rose dramatically because of his strong practices preceding the Senior Bowl all-star game, suffered a minor knee injury during his preparations for the combine. As a result, Spears will not work out, and some teams feel he might need minor arthroscopic surgery. Spears still insisted Saturday that he will be ready for his on-campus workout next month.

ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2000558)


Wonder if this will hurt his stock?

TexSon
02-27-2005, 10:47 AM
Shaun Cody weighed in at 270! :dontknowa
I thought he would be a good consolation prize if Spears was off the board, but that is just too light for a 3-4 end. I don't think he is athletic enough to transition to an OLB, either. Oh well.
Matt Roth weighed in heavier than I expected at 279. He is probably best suited for a 4-3 end.

Combine Measurements (http://www.draftshowcase.com/combinemeasurements.htm)

threetoedpete
02-27-2005, 12:19 PM
Shaun Cody weighed in at 270! :dontknowa
I thought he would be a good consolation prize if Spears was off the board, but that is just too light for a 3-4 end. I don't think he is athletic enough to transition to an OLB, either. Oh well.
Matt Roth weighed in heavier than I expected at 279. He is probably best suited for a 4-3 end.

Combine Measurements (http://www.draftshowcase.com/combinemeasurements.htm)


Agrred, I think Roth and Pollock will fall into this range also. Not saying they are not going to be fine pros. They are. Just not in a 3-4. I really like Roth alot too. Wonder if Roth ends up in Chicago ?


Just saw where Bass posted a 5.02. Pretty dang quick for a gaurd/center. Course the numbers don't mean nothing. If D.J.'s not there, I have NO problem with moving down and getting this guy. Ain't a sexy pick, but it moves us one step closer to catching the Colts.

Mark Peerman down as a day two running back that fits us. WCO guy. Not a sexy pick but if Hollings can't come around he'd be a nice fit on the team. Love DD, Just not as a 25 touch a game back.

nunusguy
02-27-2005, 12:20 PM
"Shawne Merriman DE Maryland 6'4 272"
Based upon this weight, apparently this guy wants to stay @ DE and discourage anybody from drafting him to play as an OLB in the 3-4 as many have speculated.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-27-2005, 12:33 PM
Matt Jones just ran a 4.43!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-27-2005, 12:42 PM
now he just ran a 4.37

chuckm
02-27-2005, 12:48 PM
How are you all watching this? NFL Network?

Vinny
02-27-2005, 12:48 PM
http://www.redskins.com/ go here (real player)

chuckm
02-27-2005, 12:56 PM
Got it ... Thanks ...

BTW it had problems running from Firefox ... just fine with IE

Vinny
02-27-2005, 12:57 PM
Im running it fine and I don't use IE. You need to upgrade something.

A&M's Terrance Murphy 4.45, and the Hampton WR (Jerome Mathis) just busted out a 4.32 and a 4.31 on his second attempt.

WR Mike Williams actually ran. 4.61 @ 229 pounds
Troy Williamson ran right after him with a 4.38

vtech9
02-27-2005, 04:42 PM
Im running it fine and I don't use IE. You need to upgrade something.

A&M's Terrance Murphy 4.45, and the Hampton WR (Jerome Mathis) just busted out a 4.32 and a 4.31 on his second attempt.

WR Mike Williams actually ran. 4.61 @ 229 pounds
Troy Williamson ran right after him with a 4.38
I have been high on WR Jerome Mathis since watching him in the Gridiron Classic, and thought he'd be a good pick for us in the 2nd round. Here is a quote about Mathis from Gil Brandt's article on the combine. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8235750) Our fivesome believes that Hampton's Jerome Mathis, who ran somewhere between 4.25 and 4.29 in the 40, ran the fastest 40 in the history of the combine. We think Deion Sanders ran something like 4.28 when he was at the combine over 10 years ago, so Mathis is extremely close to being one of the fastest people at the combine. He made himself some money because he also did a good job in receiving drills. Another WR that impressed me at the combine was Vincent Jackson of Northern Colorado. He is 6'5 to 6'6 and was weighed in at about 240 lbs. I don't remember what his 40 time was, but it wasn't bad, and he looked pretty good in the drills.

nunusguy
02-27-2005, 06:13 PM
The WR I really like is Clayton from the Sooners and I hope we somehow get a
shot at him since I know were looking for a #2 to compliment AJ. I think after Braylon Edwards, he's the best available wide receiver.
Williams was not only slow in his 40s (for a big time WR), but he wasn't quick looking either and looks more like a TE than WR. Afterall, AJ is almost as big as MJ and and he has both foot speed and quickness. Williamson has the look of a Track guy first, then a football player.
They're gonna have to get some consistancy in these 40 times because there is such a disparity between unofficial times (which are probably all hand held times), and official (which are electronic). I'm guessing that D.Sanders time was hand held since it was so long ago.

Reddevil63
02-27-2005, 06:20 PM
AJ is 3-4 inches shorter than Mike and 30 lbs lighter, there were much smaller guys running 40's slower than Williams. You dont play football running 40 yards in one direction, he is going to be a dominate receiver. They were saying during the telecast that the Bucs rookie receiver Clayton ran a 4.65, which was slower than Williams and he led his team and all other rookies in catches, yards, touchdowns etc.

WildBlackBear32
02-27-2005, 06:25 PM
The WR I really like is Clayton from the Sooners and I hope we somehow get a
shot at him since I know were looking for a #2 to compliment AJ. I think after Braylon Edwards, he's the best available wide receiver.
Williams was not only slow in his 40s (for a big time WR), but he wasn't quick looking either and looks more like a TE than WR. Afterall, AJ is almost as big as MJ and and he has both foot speed and quickness. Williamson has the look of a Track guy first, then a football player.
They're gonna have to get some consistancy in these 40 times because there is such a disparity between unofficial times (which are probably all hand held times), and official (which are electronic). I'm guessing that D.Sanders time was hand held since it was so long ago.

People talked about Mike Williams moving to TE for a while his sophomore year. I personally dont see it. He's gotta get WAYYYYYYYY bigger and thicker to even think about making the transition there.Even if he doesnt have the blazing speed you want out of a deep post guy, he's got the mitts to be an extremely solid possesion reciever. His hands are unreal.

DoCt3rJ
02-27-2005, 06:30 PM
Mike Williams is just at 6'5, Andre Johnson is a little above 6'2. So 2 or 3 inches..... Johnson weighs about what, 220 atleast. So about a 10 pound difference.

texasguy346
02-27-2005, 06:31 PM
I have to agree with Reddevil63. Mike Williams is an amazing talent. He's got excellent hands, and for him to run a 4.61 at his size is outstanding. He'll be a very good WR at the next level, and he is definately right behind Edwards as far as the best WR in the draft. I don't think Williams will end up at TE. He'll be just fine as a WR. Williamson is up there too. Clayton is an excellent route runner, and he's got good quickness. However, he doesn't have the ideal size you seek in a WR, and he'll have a tough time with the tougher and bigger corners in the NFL. Luckily he's already a good receiver against a zone defense so he's got that in his favor. IMO Clayton's not the 2nd or 3rd best WR in the draft. That doesn't mean he won't be a good WR in the NFL, but he'll probably last till the 2nd round.

sprtsfanatic
02-27-2005, 06:46 PM
I couldnt tell you how they fall in line after edwards or williams, but i watched nfl networks coverage of the combine and there are some BLAZING fast people at the WR position...i couldnt believe ol boy that ran in 4.3...he was flying...and he wasnt the only one....and yes many of them made Williams look slow...but for his size you have to like a 4.65 range for him.

nunusguy
02-27-2005, 07:07 PM
I have to agree with Reddevil63. Mike Williams is an amazing talent. He's got excellent hands, and for him to run a 4.61 at his size is outstanding.
The link posted earlier on this thread listed official heights and weights from
the combine and Williams was 228 - that's < 10 lbs. more that what AJ played
@ last year, and I think AJ when in college and his rookie year in the NFL played rigth @ 229-230.
Nah, I'm not that impressed with Williams workout times - if you want impressive, how 'bout the big Euro QB/WR from Arkansas who is like 6'6", 240 lbs and ran 'bout 4.4 ! Now maybe Williams is a real football player and deserves to be ranked amoung the top 2 or 3 WRs, but a workout freak with outstanding athletic achievements he's not.

Grid
02-27-2005, 07:13 PM
everybody is so high on Williams.. mark my words.. write this down.. whatever.

he is a career #2 guy. He is a Keyshawn Johnson. He will never even be mentioned in the same sentence as Andre Johnson.

WildBlackBear32
02-27-2005, 07:20 PM
everybody is so high on Williams.. mark my words.. write this down.. whatever.

he is a career #2 guy. He is a Keyshawn Johnson. He will never even be mentioned in the same sentence as Andre Johnson.

Keyshawn is a reallllllllllllllllllll good comparison, IMO. However, to say Keyshawn is a career #2, isnt really true. If healthy, Keyshawn projects to at least 950+ yards every year.I wouldnt put him in the elite category, however at the same time, he certainly isnt a #2. I'd say he's a 1.5, lol.

DoCt3rJ
02-27-2005, 07:32 PM
Any1 have the official times?

Grid
02-27-2005, 07:33 PM
Keyshawn is a reallllllllllllllllllll good comparison, IMO. However, to say Keyshawn is a career #2, isnt really true. If healthy, Keyshawn projects to at least 950+ yards every year.I wouldnt put him in the elite category, however at the same time, he certainly isnt a #2. I'd say he's a 1.5, lol.

Yah :).. well.. put it this way.. I think Keyshawn SHOULD be a career #2. on a good team he WOULD be #2.. but hes on the cowboys and hes the best they got.

Mike Williams could be the #1 guy on a team like the Bears.. or the 49ers.. or the Jaguars. Or he could be a #1 on a power running team. But he is NOT a pro bowl quality receiver.. and never will be.

texasguy346
02-27-2005, 07:34 PM
Now maybe Williams is a real football player and deserves to be ranked amoung the top 2 or 3 WRs, but a workout freak with outstanding athletic achievements he's not.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Williams should have his ticket to the HOF stamped already. I'm simply stating that Williams is a great talent at WR, and he has outstanding potential. I think he'll be better than Keyshawn at the next level. I see him more as a Mushin Mohammed. He'll be a huge target in the red zone especially with so many NFL teams willing to throw it up and make their WR go up and grab it. He's not going to be AJ, Owens, or Moss, but he doesn't have to in order to be a very good NFL WR. There isn't always a AJ, Owens, or Moss in every draft. I really don't see any guys in this draft measuring up to success like those guys. It doesn't mean, however, that there won't be alot of great NFL WRs in this draft.

DoCt3rJ
02-27-2005, 07:34 PM
Keyshawn was a solid #1, it just diden't last that long..

DoCt3rJ
02-27-2005, 07:36 PM
But you also can't put AJ in the same group with Moss or T.O. right now..

WildBlackBear32
02-27-2005, 07:41 PM
Yah :).. well.. put it this way.. I think Keyshawn SHOULD be a career #2. on a good team he WOULD be #2.. but hes on the cowboys and hes the best they got.

Mike Williams could be the #1 guy on a team like the Bears.. or the 49ers.. or the Jaguars. Or he could be a #1 on a power running team. But he is NOT a pro bowl quality receiver.. and never will be.

Ehhh, this is where our opinions on Mike differ. Williams has absolute glue for hands. Hands dont go away over time, legs/speed do. As shown by one TO in the Super Bowl, a guy doesnt need his top end speed to change a game, his hands will do it.Williams also oozes agility and overall athleticism(hense the people thinking he'll go TE). Put AMAZING hands, GREAT agility and athleticism and GOOD speed together and you got a Pro Bowler, IMO. It doesnt hurt he's 6'5" either.

I am an absolute USC hater(Go Sooners :( ), but without a doubt in my mind, Williams is the best reciever in this draft.

SESupergenius
02-27-2005, 07:50 PM
Well you can look at all the 40's you want, but fact is Williams can catch the rock. Hines Ward is no burner, TO is doesn't have blazin speed, but these guys can catch. That's what a WR does. He doesn't sprint downfield every play for a long bomb. After watching some live coverage, I can see that the track stars shine at the 40 and plain ole football players are just average.

Grid
02-27-2005, 08:06 PM
Hines Ward can do alot more than catch.. and Mike Williams is no T.O.

SESupergenius
02-27-2005, 08:10 PM
because you knew that Hines Ward and TO would be that good because of their combine????

Grid
02-27-2005, 08:15 PM
no but Mike Williams is a guy that has gotten by on his physical talents(basicly.. his stature). put him in the NFL where he is only slightly larger than other WRs.. and he is going to struggle.

hes too slow.. bottom line. he isnt too slow to be a good WR.. hes too slow to be a superstar though. hes Tony Gonzalez :P.. and you are going to line him up with the defense's best CB and you expect him to be a playmaker?

he COULD prove me wrong and be the best WR ever to play the game.. but i doubt it. i wouldnt use a top ten pick on him personally. Probably not even top 20. If I was in need of a good WR to play alongside my existing pro bowl WR.. I may take him in the late first.

WildBlackBear32
02-27-2005, 08:16 PM
You cant compare Hines Ward or TO to Williams. Both Ward and TO were late first day picks and Ward wasnt even a projected WR.

SESupergenius
02-27-2005, 08:19 PM
wow this guy drops from a top 10 pick last year to not even a 20 this year event though this draft doesn't seen to be better. OK.

WildBlackBear32
02-27-2005, 08:20 PM
no but Mike Williams is a guy that has gotten by on his physical talents(basicly.. his stature). put him in the NFL where he is only slightly larger than other WRs.. and he is going to struggle.

hes too slow.. bottom line. he isnt too slow to be a good WR.. hes too slow to be a superstar though. hes Tony Gonzalez :P.. and you are going to line him up with the defense's best CB and you expect him to be a playmaker?

he COULD prove me wrong and be the best WR ever to play the game.. but i doubt it. i wouldnt use a top ten pick on him personally. Probably not even top 20. If I was in need of a good WR to play alongside my existing pro bowl WR.. I may take him in the late first.

Couple things...being 6'5" will put you into the upper 5% of WRs in the NFL. He has things other most 6'5" NFL WRs dont have, great hands. Line him up against most 5'10"-6'1" "best CBs" and I still say he makes plays. He can leap, he can catch and his skills after the catch are what will make him great.

Grid
02-27-2005, 08:28 PM
you dont have to agree with me :).. in a couple years ill remind you that I was right though :).

as for his ability to grab jump balls.. for the most part... I dont think his size is going to make him "the man" in that department either. we are talking about a difference of a maybe a half a foot between Mike Williams hands.. and the CBs hands. That aint that big a difference.

Whatever. I think whoever drafts him is gonna get a great #2 receiver and that is about it. He could prove me wrong if he becomes like Hines Ward.. a multi-purpose WR.

as things are.. im not sold on him. (now watch us draft him at #13)


and SES.. he is projected as a top 10 this year too isnt he? whatever.. if he had been in the draft last year i would have been saying the same thing.. he aint worth a top 10 pick.

WildBlackBear32
02-27-2005, 08:40 PM
No doubt you could be right. WR is the biggest crapshoot in terms of the NFL draft. You'll notice most former high 1st rounders dont pan out(Rogers, Burress, B.Johnson, Terrell, FredEx, Warrick...man I could go on forever) and a lot of the top WRs are 2nd round or later picks...TO, MuMu, Horn, Ch. Johnson, Ward...

AndreJ
02-27-2005, 08:46 PM
Couple things...being 6'5" will put you into the upper 5% of WRs in the NFL. He has things other most 6'5" NFL WRs dont have, great hands. Line him up against most 5'10"-6'1" "best CBs" and I still say he makes plays. He can leap, he can catch and his skills after the catch are what will make him great.

As for those of you wondering about Mike Williams speed, since some say he is too slow and some dont seem to care how fast he is as long as he has some athletic ability he ran an unofficial 4.61 in the 40 yard dash.

aj.
02-27-2005, 08:56 PM
People tend to overreact to 40 times during the combine. Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 a few years ago and he turned out OK.

texansfan88
02-27-2005, 08:59 PM
On Williams behalf, there was a man named Anquan Boldin who ran a 4.63 at the combine just 2 years ago...some of yall value a 40 wayyyyyy too much

Grid
02-27-2005, 09:08 PM
Boldin has a different mindset.. he likes to play physical and does it well. Williams may be the same way but I havent seen him show that attitude yet.

Also.. Boldin was injured last year so I didnt get to see him play with the 5 yard rule in effect.


And really its not just the 40 time. im not really all that impressed with a couple tenths of a second. I mean.. if someone beats me in a race by two tenths of a second.. it wouldnt really feel like he is alot faster than me.

Anywho.. something about him just rubs me the wrong way.. I just dont see him being successful.. its a gut feeling kinda thing. The 40 times are just justifying it.

AndreJ
02-27-2005, 09:15 PM
And really its not just the 40 time. im not really all that impressed with a couple tenths of a second. I mean.. if someone beats me in a race by two tenths of a second.. it wouldnt really feel like he is alot faster than me.


I feel the same way about the forty, i dont really see what 2 tenths of a second is going to make a difference of. I wouldn't care if a guy ran the forty in 7 sec. if he can go out and catch the ball against the top CB's in the leauge than does his speed really matter?

ThaShark316
02-27-2005, 09:19 PM
I like how people use the combine to give a FINAL grade on Rookies...only to eat crow when they do well in their rookie season....

All i'm saying is this...whoever gets Mike Williams will get themselves a nice WR...he could be a #1 in this league IMO.

If he plays in every game in 2005...he'll be my choice for ROY. Hopefully, the Texans get lucky and draft the guy.

Grid
02-27-2005, 09:30 PM
Honestly I dont see how my saying "he isnt anything special" is any better or worse than you saying "he is something special" based on the same information :).

And id say we are BOTH setting ourselves up to eat crow.. only question is which one of us it will be.

vtech9
02-27-2005, 09:52 PM
I like how people use the combine to give a FINAL grade on Rookies...only to eat crow when they do well in their rookie season....

All i'm saying is this...whoever gets Mike Williams will get themselves a nice WR...he could be a #1 in this league IMO.

If he plays in every game in 2005...he'll be my choice for ROY. Hopefully, the Texans get lucky and draft the guy. We would have to get Williams in the 1st round if we took him. Personally, I think I would rather take Vincent Jackson later in the draft (probably in the 3rd). Jackson is bigger (6'5 240 lbs) and faster (40 in 4.50) and will be alot cheaper. If we want a speedster to replace Bradford, I think Jerome Mathis would be the best pick in the 2nd.

AndreJ
02-27-2005, 09:55 PM
We would have to get Williams in the 1st round if we took him. Personally, I think I would rather take Vincent Jackson later in the draft (probably in the 3rd). Jackson is bigger (6'5 240 lbs) and faster (40 in 4.50) and will be alot cheaper. If we want a speedster to replace Bradford, I think Jerome Mathis would be the best pick in the 2nd.

What do ya'll think of Troy Williamson, he's also got some speed.

Grid
02-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Williamson is nice but we would have to take him at #13.

if he is the BPA then that is fine.. but the #2 WR is a minor need.. and we could do fine with a late first day pick if anything at all.

vtech9
02-27-2005, 10:00 PM
What do ya'll think of Troy Williamson, he's also got some speed.
I like Williamson too, but I think he will be a late 1st round pick, so we would have to trade down because I think the 13th pick is too high for him.

ThaShark316
02-27-2005, 10:11 PM
Williamson is what 6-2,200? I haven't seen him play...but who does he remind u guys of?

Fiddy
02-27-2005, 10:23 PM
Haven't seen it:"It was good to see Mike out there running," Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher said. "It's great for the clubs to see so many guys running."

Williams ran two 4.59s, but was not among the five fastest receivers http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3425202

Fastest QB was Matt Jones from Arkansas who ran a 4.41
Fastest WR was Jerome Mathis from Hampton in Virginia who ran a 4.32

texasguy346
02-27-2005, 10:52 PM
People tend to overreact to 40 times during the combine. Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 a few years ago and he turned out OK.

Oh come on now. Jerry Rice never went on to do anything. Pure madness.

TexSon
02-28-2005, 08:49 AM
Texans general manager Charley Casserly said he can’t remember a time when so many running backs and wide receivers worked out in Indianapolis. Even USC WR Mike Williams, who told Titans officials as late as last night that he was not going to work out, got into the act. Unofficially, Williams ran times of 4.61 and 4.59 in the 40-yard dash.
Casserly has long advocated that players work out both at the Combine in February and at collegiate pro days in March, saying that a bigger sample size of workout results can only help a prospect.

Referencing last year’s draft class, he cited the cases of DTs Tommie Harris, Vince Wilfork and Marcus Tubbs, all of whom were jockeying for position in the first round. Early on, some believed Tubbs would be drafted highest, Casserly said. None of the players worked out at the Combine, he recalled, electing to work out in March.

Harris performed the best of the group in the workouts. Wilfork didn’t fare as well, but did well enough. However, Tubbs could not finish his workout, and Casserly believes this pushed Harris and Wilfork ahead of Tubbs.

“All those guys are first-rounders. How do you separate them?” Casserly said. “Well, the way you separate them is you judge them athletically, judge their interview, you judge their workout. Let’s all use common sense here. If you have a guy who’s not in shape when you work them out, it’s awfully hard to think you’re going to spend a lot of money on them.”

http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Scouting+Combine/2005/wilkieblog022405.htm

Nothing groundbreaking, but the last paragraph will obviously be even more important this year with no consensus standout players.

nunusguy
02-28-2005, 09:22 AM
From the Profootballweekly.com website:
"Casserly has long advocated that players work out both at the Combine in February and at collegiate pro days in March, saying that a bigger sample size of workout results can only help a prospect."
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Cass uses good logic here and is giving prospects better advise than their agents probably do. However better advise might be this - do the combine
and if your performance is => expectations, quit when you're ahead. If you screw up, you've got your college pro day to fall back on. That way you don't
risk every thing on your college pro day performance (all of them follow the combine), and end up like the Tubbs, the Texas tackle, did last year.

Reddevil63
02-28-2005, 11:12 AM
They are doing D Line right now....



EDIT: Heath Miller isnt working out and may not get to work out before the draft because of hernia surgery, I dont think we want to go down that road again. :wacko:

Errant Hothy
02-28-2005, 11:56 AM
Jonathan Welsh, Wisconsin, just ran a 4.58 (unoffically). And spent much of the offseason working on coverage drills. Intersted?

nunusguy
02-28-2005, 12:09 PM
Damn, I hated it that Patterson the USC tackle scratched - been hearing more & more about him as maybe a Nose for us. Just wanted to get a look at him, could care less about his 40 time. After 5 yards, who care about the foot speed of a NT.

SESupergenius
02-28-2005, 12:19 PM
Yea I care more about the strength and those dummy drills than I do about a 40 for a DT.

WildBlackBear32
02-28-2005, 12:27 PM
Damn, I hated it that Patterson the USC tackle scratched - been hearing more & more about him as maybe a Nose for us. Just wanted to get a look at him, could care less about his 40 time. After 5 yards, who care about the foot speed of a NT.

Another big thing about a NT is size. At only 6'0 he's hardly going to clog any running holes. He's definetly more suited for a 4-3.If your undersized AND slow, you got two things going against you.

Vinny
02-28-2005, 12:36 PM
Height isn't too big an issue when you play on the nose. Being 6' tall isn't a big issue here. Having a low center of gravity and a strong base is much more important. That said, most people I have talked to state that Patterson is a Warren Sapp like prospect that needs to be in a one-gap system using his quickness to shoot gaps instead of holding blockers off in a two-gap technique.

Wolf
02-28-2005, 07:40 PM
People tend to overreact to 40 times during the combine. Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 a few years ago and he turned out OK.


I hear ya.. Largent could be added to the list

Let me ask yall this.. you take Mike Williams or Corey Bradford?

Speed versus Hands....I take Hands..

I haven't seen Mike play, another question is .. Does he know how to use his body/moves to get separation and get open?

texasguy346
02-28-2005, 09:06 PM
I really don't think that this deserve it's own thread, but I thought I'd mention it to all those who get a kick out of Casserly taking a young QB late in the draft. It's a portion out of an ESPN article about all the QBs battling to be the 3rd QB taken, and how they're approaching the combine. ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2000558&num=3)

Scouts are anxious to see quarterback Jason Campbell of Auburn throw on Sunday. One of the more physically imposing quarterback prospects here, Campbell checked in at 6-feet-4¾ and 230 pounds, and just looks like an athlete. Campbell progressed very nicely in the past two years, really made strides in his senior season, and seemed to quickly pick up the offense at the Senior Bowl game. With an eye-opening workout on Sunday, he could perhaps squeeze into the first round, but the second stanza is more likely. "He's just a kid who carries himself really well," said Houston Texans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer. "There's a nice even keel to him, both as an athlete and a person. He isn't a guy who gets rattled."

Reddevil63
02-28-2005, 09:23 PM
I hear ya.. Largent could be added to the list

Let me ask yall this.. you take Mike Williams or Corey Bradford?

Speed versus Hands....I take Hands..

I haven't seen Mike play, another question is .. Does he know how to use his body/moves to get separation and get open?
I made it a point to watch a couple of games his sophmore season, and the man knows how to use his body. He is big and physical and was a man among boys, he tossed aside the other DB's like they were nothing.

nunusguy
02-28-2005, 09:40 PM
From the ESPN link:
"Shawne Merriman is a physical specimen who might be off the board in the top 10 picks now. Merriman measured 6-feet-4 and 272 pounds on Saturday and looked like his frame could handle another 10-15 pounds with no problem. He is certainly a "cut" player, a guy with a live-looking body"
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Unless Merriman's weight here is a typo, how did this guy get so big so fast ?
Everything I've seen on him up till now had him at the 245-250 range, now in just a couple month's he's 25 lbs bigger and from the way he described here he didn't get it at KFC.

Errant Hothy
03-01-2005, 12:02 PM
Boomer seemed to have teweaked a groin in the 3 cone drill. :wacko:

And DJ just whiffed on the short shuttle.

texansfan88
03-01-2005, 08:41 PM
well...thats not good for Boomer...

Grid
03-01-2005, 08:58 PM
good for us though.. if he slips to the 4th or 5th he would be a steal.

Errant Hothy
03-01-2005, 11:53 PM
It's hard to tell how serious the injury was, they never said anything about it; and they didn't show much of the LBs today. Could be minor. They spent most of the time with the DBs, skill postions gettting the love. I will say that he looked like an absolute beast during the little time I saw him.

ComstockLode
03-02-2005, 03:33 PM
So Derrick Johnson posted a 5.54 forty which is faster than alot of the wide recievers.....

I actually expect him to run a sub 5.5 when he gets back to texas.

texansfan88
03-02-2005, 04:21 PM
i'll call boomer tonight and see if it was a minor deal

texasguy346
03-02-2005, 04:24 PM
So Derrick Johnson posted a 5.54 forty which is faster than alot of the wide recievers.....

I actually expect him to run a sub 5.5 when he gets back to texas.

Do you mean 4.54? DJ seems very fast, and 5.55 seems a little slow for him in the 40.

Sarg01
03-02-2005, 08:53 PM
ESPN reports that DJ stole the show at the combine today.

CBs: Also noted that Browner really hurt himself, probably falling out of the first round. Marlin Jackson turned in a slow set of 40s and may drop. Justin Miller and Carlos Rogers did OK with mid 4.4 times, but Miller was a little slower than expected.

Demarcus Ware impressed as a pass-rushing linebacker. ESPN flatly states Thomas Davis can't play safety in the NFL and will become a linebacker.

Vinny
03-02-2005, 08:58 PM
I've been saying that Davis and Shazor are likely linebackers in the NFL for months. Browner had 17 holding/interference calls against him last year with zero INT's also. I was never that high on him.

Some opponents stayed away from Browner this season, but others took advantage of his physical style and went directly at him: He was penalized 17 times for holding or pass interference. He had 41 tackles and broke up nine passes but had no interceptions.

http://www.oregonlive.com/beaversfootball/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/110510298255450.xml

beerlover
03-02-2005, 09:04 PM
Demarcus Ware is beginning to sound verrrrrrrrrry interesting! 6040 251 4.56 compared to DJ's 6032 242 4.54 just a little bigger version maybe better suited to play OLB in the 3-4?

wags
03-02-2005, 09:58 PM
ESPN flatly states Thomas Davis can't play safety in the NFL and will become a linebacker.

It's very possible he could play linebacker, but not because he is a bad safety. He could play linebacker because of his size and the fact that he is flat out a great football player. People saying he projects as a linebacker is a compliment to his versatility as a football player.

I wonder how many Georgia games this ESPN analyst watched the last three years? :hmmm:

infantrycak
03-02-2005, 10:14 PM
Browner had 17 holding/interference calls against him last year with zero INT's also. I was never that high on him.

Imagine how many flags that would have been if college refs called it like the pros.

ComstockLode
03-03-2005, 12:30 AM
Do you mean 4.54? DJ seems very fast, and 5.55 seems a little slow for him in the 40.

My fault I obviously meant 4.54. According to other sources who were timing him earlier in the week, he ran some sub 4.5 forties. I am willing to bet at the texas day, he will run a sub 4.5 forty.

He came in at 6'3" 242.... and might run a sub 4.5 forty.... Mancrush.

infantrycak
03-03-2005, 09:51 AM
As an FYI to the Thomas Davis bandwagon, he turned in a 4.65 40 yd time at the combine.

Link (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/s.html)

As a reminder Babin turned in a 4.64 last year.

Link (http://www.finheaven.com/seasonal/de/de3/index.php)

beerlover
03-03-2005, 10:11 AM
As an FYI to the Thomas Davis bandwagon, he turned in a 4.65 40 yd time at the combine.

Link (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/s.html)

As a reminder Babin turned in a 4.64 last year.

Link (http://www.finheaven.com/seasonal/de/de3/index.php)

nice, I liked this quote "Mel Kiper has him as a late first-rounder, although I think that’s a little high for him, based on what I saw. But if you are looking for an aggressive edge rusher, who has the ability to consistently get to the passer, then Babin could be the guy. Health-wise he’s clear, although he does have some asthma issues. He reminds me a lot of current Patriots linebacker, Mike Vrabel, who was also a tremendous edge rusher in college at Ohio State, leaving Columbus with 33 career takedowns."


what about this Demarcus Ware fellow as a 2nd round OLB for the Texans? 6'-4", 251 lbs with 4.56 speed. here is something similar from NFL Draft Blitz

"Ware lacks great size and may be better off switching to linebacker at the next level. He can hold the point of attack against the run, but he gets tied up with blockers too easily and gets neutralized on too many plays. It’s more than likely that Ware will have to play the rush ‘backer spot in a 3-4, or be a situational rusher in a 4-3 in order to maximize his potential. In summary, Ware might not be a player who will interest all NFL teams, but a team that uses him correctly could very well get a huge return on their investment. Ware currently carries a late day one/early day two grade."

texasguy346
03-03-2005, 10:20 AM
I love Ware, but I don't think he'd last long enough for the Texans to pick him up in the second. If he's there at 32 I think the Patriots would have a hard time passing him up.

wags
03-03-2005, 03:33 PM
As an FYI to the Thomas Davis bandwagon, he turned in a 4.65 40 yd time at the combine.

Just an FYI, the numers for Davis and all others are unofficial. But I'm sure you already knew that. I'll wait until the NFL officially releases the results before I start throwing numbers out.

BTW, didn't Charley Casserly say that 40 times are overrated.

:rolleyes:

Vinny
03-03-2005, 03:46 PM
They are but in the NFL Safetys need to be able to cover in man. You won't find too many 4.65 slot receivers.

Honoring Earl 34
03-03-2005, 03:53 PM
:woot A 4.65 at the combine on Astro turf is a 4.7 at best on grass . If he has a good track record as being a player I might look at him but not at 13 .

wags
03-03-2005, 03:54 PM
They are but in the NFL Safetys need to be able to cover in man. You won't find too many 4.65 slot receivers.

I have seen numbers from 4.53 to 4.65 for Davis at the Combine. Davis and Earl have the same speed basically, so if Davis is too slow then so is Earl. After watching Davis for three years, I have confidence in his ability. But then maybe I should trust some internet draft guy rather than my own eyes and judgement. Davis is my favorite player in the draft, but whoever we draft will be fine with me.

wags
03-03-2005, 03:55 PM
:woot A 4.65 at the combine on Astro turf is a 4.7 at best on grass . He can race Castillo .

NFL Network reported that DJ ran a 4.65 in the 40. Like I said though, they're all unofficial.

Blake
03-03-2005, 03:57 PM
40 times are overhyped. They always have, and always will be. But I didnt know a players 40 time, represented how well he can play the game of football.

Vinny
03-03-2005, 04:02 PM
I have seen numbers from 4.53 to 4.65 for Davis at the Combine. Davis and Earl have the same speed basically, so if Davis is too slow then so is Earl. After watching Davis for three years, I have confidence in his ability. But then maybe I should trust some internet draft guy rather than my own eyes and judgement. Davis is my favorite player in the draft, but whoever we draft will be fine with me.
I'm not judging or grading Davis...I'm just mentioning that S's have more coverage responsiblity than ever with the new rules is really all I am implying. I still feel that he is the ideal tampa2 linebacker. We will see who is right soon.

wags
03-03-2005, 04:05 PM
We will see who is right soon.

What does that mean? Just because he is drafted as a LB, doesn't mean he's a bad safety. He's a great football player who can play multiple positions. When did this turn into a "I bet he's used as a ____" debate.

Vinny
03-03-2005, 04:08 PM
Your arument is that he is a viable NFL safety and I think that he will likely be taken as a tampa2 linebacker from what I can see.

wags
03-03-2005, 04:15 PM
Your arument is that he is a viable NFL safety and I think that he will likely be taken as a tampa2 linebacker from what I can see.

I still don't understand the "right" comment. He will make an impact wherever he plays, LB or safety.

texasguy346
03-03-2005, 04:15 PM
What does that mean? Just because he is drafted as a LB, doesn't mean he's a bad safety. He's a great football player who can play multiple positions. When did this turn into a "I bet he's used as a ____" debate.

I tend to agree with Wags. Just because he's drafted as a LB by say St Louis doesn't mean he couldn't be an equally good S for some other team. Not all teams demand the same coverage ability from their SS. They may have a LB that's excellent in coveraged, and prefer to use their SS as a run stopper. I think whatever team drafts him will play a major role in deciding what he plays in the NFL. Doesn't mean he can't play one position better than the other.

Honoring Earl 34
03-03-2005, 04:33 PM
:woot What keeps a good college player from being a good NFL player ? I don't think Wags would be so passionate is Davis went to Ol Miss .

Vinny
03-03-2005, 06:22 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news_images/draft/draft2005_header.jpg

Combine recap (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=633) Kinda interesting they have a Pollack video and no other individual player named on this page. :hmmm:
Combine grind
Indianapolis has survived yet another scouting combine and we take a look back at an eventful week for the Texans and their NFL peers. Next up? A slew of visits to college campuses, where prospects will be holding their pro days.

More players working out
Combine position profiles: DBs | LBs | WRs | QBs | DL
Capers | WRs | QBs | DL | Pollack | Indy
Combine photos: 2/27 | 2/26 | 2/25

wags
03-03-2005, 06:49 PM
I noticed that too about Pollack. No complaints about drafting him. He's a quality guy.

uga_iv
03-04-2005, 01:21 AM
I am a Georgia alum and I admit that I am a bit biased when it comes to UGA players or even SEC players for that matter. But Big 12 fans can be biased too. Just as you Longhorn fans would like to see DJ suit up for the Texans on Sunday, I would definitely love to see David Pollack suiting up for the Texans in 2005. He had a good performance at the combine and his college career was outstanding. He plays with so much enthusiasm and intensity. However, it isn't going to happen. With the free agent signing of Greenwood, I doubt the Texans will pick a linebacker in the first round. Of course it depends on who is still on the board when it comes to the 13th pick, but I suspect we will pick a cornerback.

Vinny
03-04-2005, 01:36 AM
Greenwood is going to play inside. Pollack would project to the outside. It would not surprise me to see us take another linebacker now that the Texans have also allowed Sharper and Foreman to seek trades. They are both in their final years of their contracts and no way we pay Foreman the kind of cash he is scheduled to make next year. This LB corp looks like its getting the shake down here in the next two years.

This is going to be a much more interesting off season that I originally figured. :popcorn:

uga_iv
03-04-2005, 01:49 AM
That is interesting about Sharper and Foreman. I did not know that the Texans had allowed them to seek trades. That changes everything completely. However, their roster spots could still be filled by Babin and Peek on the outside and Wong and Greenwood on the inside. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Texans pick DJ or try a DE such as Pollack at the outside, but with the current depth at linebacker will it happen? I don't know. I guess it all depends on the confidence the Texans have with Peek. I agree with McClain, if the Texans REALLY had confidence in Peek, he would have seen more playing time to learn in 2004 like Babin did. So, I guess maybe they could look at linebacker if the talent is there at 13. It will be the most interesting draft day since we really have no idea who they will pick.

uga_iv
03-04-2005, 01:55 AM
I almost forgot . . . How long will I be on the "Practice Squad"? I am new to the the Message Board. How does this work? Will I be optioned off to NFL Europe this Summer to prove myself worthy of 3rd string player / clipboard holder?

Vinny
03-04-2005, 02:02 AM
50 posts...but we support custom user titles. :cool:

At least the team is giving us alot to talk about. I think we are all in the dark. Hopefully Sharper just reworks his deal.

At 6'0" and 238 pounds, it is believed that Greenwood would move to inside linebacker, joining Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman, and maybe even pushing them out. According to a televised report on KRIV-TV, both Sharper and Foreman were notified that they would each be allowed to seek a trade and a new contract with another team if they could not reach modified deals with the Texans.

Sharper, 30, is in the final year of a contract that will pay him $4.75 million and has a $6.125 million charge on the 2005 cap. If traded, the Texans would still reflect the remaining signing bonus amount of $1.375 million on the cap this year. http://www.houstonprofootball.com/

Wild Bill
03-04-2005, 07:39 AM
I read that Pollack didn't have a good combine. They also knocked him because he has short, small arms which make it difficult to get around NFL caliber tackles. He also didn't run a good 40 time. I don't think the Texans will take him.

Honoring Earl 34
03-04-2005, 09:09 AM
:mag: Miami and Missouri had their pro days . Rolle ran a 4.49 and a 4.52 40 yd. Casserly adds .01 secs for a pro day run . Vinny I don't know how to post this info.

uga_iv
03-04-2005, 10:59 AM
I have seen it written by several Texans fans that Pollack did not have a good combine. I don't know on what this poor opinion is based, but I disagree. When I watched the combine on NFL Network I saw that Pollack ranked first in the several of the areas evaluated (swim right pass rushmove and a couple of the cone drills). I agree that his time in the 40 yard dash did not overly impress, but his times were comparable to those of Babin last year at the combine. As I recall, Pollack was registered at the combine as just over 6'2" and 256 lbs. According to the Texans website, Babin is 6'2" and 259 lbs. I agree that it was pointed out at the combine that Pollack did have a somewhat short armspan. However, I think that if the Texans pass on Pollack, it will be because there is a better player on the board or because linbacker isn't a primary area of interest. It won't be because it is perceived that he performed poorly at the combine.