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Second Honeymoon
11-24-2009, 11:48 AM
I like Mario, but I am sick of the injury excuses. If he can't make plays, get someone in there who can and get Mario healthy so he can make plays. I understand injuries but if your injured and can't contribute, get off the field.

Good LTs constantly just own him and don't give me the double team BS. He is rarely doubleteamed. That is just an urban myth. Dude has to start doing something.

Just make some damn plays or get off the field. You are hurting the team, Mario.

Norg
11-24-2009, 12:15 PM
naaaa mario is a warrior

Amobi and COdy iam more woried about


this thread should be AMOBI were are u ????????

Texecutioner
11-24-2009, 12:35 PM
I like Mario, but I am sick of the injury excuses. If he can't make plays, get someone in there who can and get Mario healthy so he can make plays. I understand injuries but if your injured and can't contribute, get off the field.

Good LTs constantly just own him and don't give me the double team BS. He is rarely doubleteamed. That is just an urban myth. Dude has to start doing something.

Just make some damn plays or get off the field. You are hurting the team, Mario.

Agreed. Mario has had a very disappointing season so matter how many excuses people try to make for him. He has not played like an elite level DE or even a franchise DE this year. He needs to be called out by the coaching staff either in the locker room or publically. I don't care if he gets embarrassed of mad or angry, but there needs to be a fire lit under his ass big time. He hasn't played anywhere close to the level of some of the other top level DE's this season.

eriadoc
11-24-2009, 12:38 PM
I like Mario, but I am sick of the injury excuses. If he can't make plays, get someone in there who can and get Mario healthy so he can make plays. I understand injuries but if your injured and can't contribute, get off the field.

Good LTs constantly just own him and don't give me the double team BS. He is rarely doubleteamed. That is just an urban myth. Dude has to start doing something.

Just make some damn plays or get off the field. You are hurting the team, Mario.

Did you ever stop to think that an injured Mario is still better than whatever they could put out there in his place? That's the reality that the coaching staff faces. Everyone can see that Mario is not himself, coaches included. But he still does more than any DE you'd put out there on this team, Antonio W. Smith included.

It's a crappy situation for the team and for Mario.

Ckw
11-24-2009, 01:42 PM
I am far from an expert but it sure seems when I watch Mario that he is very predictable in his moves. He is so strong and quick that he can still get by many LTs, but I am never surprised by any of his moves the way that I am when I watch guys like Freeney, Mathis, Peppers, etc. They just know how to fake out opposing tackles.

Also, I don't think I have ever seen Mario make an inside move. It seems almost everytime he tries to go flying outside the tackles, flailing his arms like a mad man, and just gets pushed to the outside of the QB. The smart LTs just deflect his momentum away from the play.

Now by no means am I hating on Mario. I think he is a very good player, but I have not been happy with what I have seen this year in his 4th NFL season. The guy should be more creative by now, and I feel like we should be seeing more from him especially in big games.

thunderkyss
11-24-2009, 01:57 PM
naaaa mario is a warrior

Amobi and COdy iam more woried about


this thread should be AMOBI were are u ????????
did we blitz any yeserday?

It looked to me, like we decided to dare Vince to beat us with his legs, by dropping back into coverage

Second Honeymoon
11-24-2009, 03:31 PM
did we blitz any yeserday?

It looked to me, like we decided to dare Vince to beat us with his legs, by dropping back into coverage

exactly. very sound philosophy against vince.

/sarcasm off

as for mario, if he sucks because he is injured then get someone else in there. i think many other players could have as much impact if they had as many snaps as Mario. and then you get the benefit of letting Mario heal.

its just getting old watching him run himself out of a play, do the same thing over and over, and make no impact.

TheIronDuke
11-24-2009, 03:37 PM
Speaking of poor DE play, did anyone notice how much playing time Barwin got yesterday?

Porky
11-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Mario is not a quick twitch athlete so he can't outquick anyone. He has excellent speed for his size, but he has to rely on brute strength to simply overpower the tackle. Right now, I think that is hard for him, and he has nothing else to fall back on. He isn't a Freeny or a Mathis type player. In fact, I don't think he will ever be truly elite as a pass rusher - I think he will be good again - but not one of those super feared elite pass rushers.

In his defense, he plays the run far better than a Freeny or a Mathis does and it could be argued that when healthy he is a better overall player. But, right now he is no better than a run of the mill DE imho.

utahmark
11-24-2009, 04:12 PM
I like Mario, but I am sick of the injury excuses. If he can't make plays, get someone in there who can and get Mario healthy so he can make plays. I understand injuries but if your injured and can't contribute, get off the field.

Good LTs constantly just own him and don't give me the double team BS. He is rarely doubleteamed. That is just an urban myth. Dude has to start doing something.
Just make some damn plays or get off the field. You are hurting the team, Mario.

your right about that. i always hear that he gets doubled a lot. rarely do i see it.

rmartin65
11-24-2009, 04:31 PM
Speaking of poor DE play, did anyone notice how much playing time Barwin got yesterday?

I did not see him very much. And I was looking. I saw him get held on one of VY's runs, but that is about it.

TimeKiller
11-24-2009, 08:07 PM
Seems like a 6'7'' 290 beast with speed could find it within himself to get angry 1 play a game and push 6 guys over if he had to.

Seems like it anyway.

For all the talk of being "defensive player of the year" and elite DE pre-season he has fallen extremely short. AND it's hurting the team because that's exactly what they need to have such an aggressive standpoint on D.

I won't bother listing anymore reasons why he isn't up to snuff because after so many games....it's just not up to snuff.

Speedy
11-25-2009, 12:38 PM
Good LTs constantly just own him and don't give me the double team BS. He is rarely doubleteamed. That is just an urban myth. Dude has to start doing something.

That's because he lines up so far outside and takes that long loop around to the backend of the play. Mario doesn't need to be doubled 'cause he takes himself out of plays.

Mario is the fastest guy into the backfield that has very little impact that I've ever seen. He's 12 yards deep at the blink of an eye. Problem is that he's run 5 yards past the play.

Ckw
11-25-2009, 01:16 PM
That's because he lines up so far outside and takes that long loop around to the backend of the play. Mario doesn't need to be doubled 'cause he takes himself out of plays.

Mario is the fastest guy into the backfield that has very little impact that I've ever seen. He's 12 yards deep at the blink of an eye. Problem is that he's run 5 yards past the play.

And he is ALWAYS running to the outside. I never see an inside move from him. I just don't understand it. Surely the coaches see this...

hobie
11-25-2009, 01:19 PM
That's because he lines up so far outside and takes that long loop around to the backend of the play. Mario doesn't need to be doubled 'cause he takes himself out of plays.

Mario is the fastest guy into the backfield that has very little impact that I've ever seen. He's 12 yards deep at the blink of an eye. Problem is that he's run 5 yards past the play.

That's exactly what he was doing Monday night... whenever they ran his way, he was already outside that all the runner had to do was just go inside and he was past him..

infantrycak
11-26-2009, 08:41 AM
So he is #3 in QB hits, #4 in QB pressures and T-5th in penalties by opposing OL, but because he isn't getting sacks we should bench him?

Never mind, I forgot - we lost the game so everyone now sucks.

Second Honeymoon
11-26-2009, 09:29 AM
So he is #3 in QB hits, #4 in QB pressures and T-5th in penalties by opposing OL, but because he isn't getting sacks we should bench him?

Never mind, I forgot - we lost the game so everyone now sucks.

he isn't getting the job done. if you think he is that is fine. coming close is what is wrong with this franchise. moral victories and almost is the soup de jour around here.

my thing is he isn't getting the job done. other people are and aren't just coming close, they are getting sacks around the league.

i never said mario sucks.

infantrycak
11-26-2009, 10:06 AM
he isn't getting the job done. if you think he is that is fine. coming close is what is wrong with this franchise. moral victories and almost is the soup de jour around here.

my thing is he isn't getting the job done. other people are and aren't just coming close, they are getting sacks around the league.

i never said mario sucks.

I said jack about moral victories and almost. His job is DE and is to affect the QB's play. They don't call them "All that matters is sacking the QB, screw the run, if you don't sack you fail artists." He is a DE. There are a hand full of guys who have more consistently been affecting QB's this year than Mario and none or maybe one is as good against the run. You like to "keep it real" well then try looking at everything instead of just one stat. That's at less than 100%.

DexmanC
11-26-2009, 10:08 AM
he isn't getting the job done. if you think he is that is fine. coming close is what is wrong with this franchise. moral victories and almost is the soup de jour around here.

my thing is he isn't getting the job done. other people are and aren't just coming close, they are getting sacks around the league.

i never said mario sucks.

It's not about "moral victories" with Mario. When he was putting up 12 and
13 sacks the last couple years, people like you were quiet with this kind of talk.
Now that he has an obvious injury, and STILL giving everything he's got to help
this team, insinuate he's a scrub. The fact still remains, he'd be hurting this
team MUCH more than he's helping, IF he were to sit out his injury. There's
no one on that bench to replace his production EVEN WHILE he's obviously
injured. He was still our best DE during his rookie year, while playing the
entire season with plantar fasciitis. Lay off the dude, and look at what's
REALLY hurting the team.

infantrycak
11-26-2009, 10:29 AM
Lay off the dude, and look at what's
REALLY hurting the team.

And what is that? We have 5 losses. 4 have come when we had the opportunity to go to OT under 1 min. Typical overtime odds are darn near 50/50. If this is a 7-3 team, every other play disappears. The coaching, Dunta, Mario, whatever. 4 friggin' plays - 2 of which were kicks and one where they had already scored the TD and had it taken away.

Screw it. I am just tired of the most recent result reaction. We win - whohoo SB. We lose, fire everyone and let's act like pro-bowl players aren't contributing. Both are wrong. Oh and, hardly anyone in Houston gives a crap about Schaub. I have sat at every Texan game. The next time will be the first time I hear a good thing about him. I can't believe I sat through 5 years of HWWNBN and Houston fans seemingly find little difference.

Carr Bombed
11-26-2009, 10:51 AM
And what is that? We have 5 losses. 4 have come when we had the opportunity to go to OT under 1 min. Typical overtime odds are darn near 50/50. If this is a 7-3 team, every other play disappears. The coaching, Dunta, Mario, whatever. 4 friggin' plays - 2 of which were kicks and one where they had already scored the TD and had it taken away.

Screw it. I am just tired of the most recent result reaction. We win - whohoo SB. We lose, fire everyone and let's act like pro-bowl players aren't contributing. Both are wrong. Oh and, hardly anyone in Houston gives a crap about Schaub. I have sat at every Texan game. The next time will be the first time I hear a good thing about him. I can't believe I sat through 5 years of HWWNBN and Houston fans seemingly find little difference.

I like Schaub alot......I have since his first start. His injury concerns have always been the issue with me and it looks like he's starting to work through those (keeping fingers crossed). The guy has put us in position to tie or win games many times........it would be nice if he had any kind of running game to support him.

But you are right though...anytime I talk to anybody around town or at the game it's always "We need a new QB". :rolleyes: I don't even bother trying to argue with those people, because they are just ignorant. Houston could do ALOT worse at the QB position. It's like people blame him for not being Peyton or Brady.

gary
11-26-2009, 10:55 AM
He is playing injured and with DT's who aren't doing much and no DE help on the other side. What do you think? Even though he is injured there is not any better DE on the roster right now get him healthy and line help next season and everyone will love him once again he'll go back to being a beast. I say a couple more losses and shut him down and let him rest up for next season. There isn't any point in playing him and risking more of an injury to him if the team isn't going anywhere this season but that's just me talking.

Second Honeymoon
11-26-2009, 11:54 AM
And what is that? We have 5 losses. 4 have come when we had the opportunity to go to OT under 1 min. Typical overtime odds are darn near 50/50. If this is a 7-3 team, every other play disappears. The coaching, Dunta, Mario, whatever. 4 friggin' plays - 2 of which were kicks and one where they had already scored the TD and had it taken away.

Screw it. I am just tired of the most recent result reaction. We win - whohoo SB. We lose, fire everyone and let's act like pro-bowl players aren't contributing. Both are wrong. Oh and, hardly anyone in Houston gives a crap about Schaub. I have sat at every Texan game. The next time will be the first time I hear a good thing about him. I can't believe I sat through 5 years of HWWNBN and Houston fans seemingly find little difference.

i have been a huge fan of schaub and quite vocal about it.

Speedy
11-26-2009, 12:06 PM
And what is that? We have 5 losses. 4 have come when we had the opportunity to go to OT under 1 min. Typical overtime odds are darn near 50/50. If this is a 7-3 team, every other play disappears. The coaching, Dunta, Mario, whatever. 4 friggin' plays - 2 of which were kicks and one where they had already scored the TD and had it taken away.

Screw it. I am just tired of the most recent result reaction. We win - whohoo SB. We lose, fire everyone and let's act like pro-bowl players aren't contributing. Both are wrong. Oh and, hardly anyone in Houston gives a crap about Schaub. I have sat at every Texan game. The next time will be the first time I hear a good thing about him. I can't believe I sat through 5 years of HWWNBN and Houston fans seemingly find little difference.

Going back and looking at the title of the thread again, this thread is about Mario so that's who we're talking about in THIS thread. Nobody's saying he's THE reason for the loss. But his play is part of it. This man is an overall number 1 draft pick. He's SUPPOSED to be a game changer. You can quote all the hurrries he has all you want, the man is not changing games. Teams don't even game plan to double team him because he takes himself out of the play.

He had one QB hit in the game. Yippee!!!! That's half of what the entire defense had the whole freaking night. And that's still one less than Vanden Bosch had who also had a sack. Vanden Bosch, a guy offenses have to game plan for and who, when he's not doing it himself, opens it up for others. Mario Williams is not doing that this year.

If he's injured, so be it. Is he a warrior for going out there and playing through it? Maybe so. But it doesn't change the fact that the job he was drafted to do is not getting done right now.

Is Mario the reason they've lost 5 games? NO! But he's part of the reason. Did Dunta have is milk money taken away from him by Britt? Yes he did. Dunta blew chunks in that game. But this thread is about Mario.

TheRealJoker
11-26-2009, 12:07 PM
It would be nice if we could've let him sit a game or two when the shoulder injury could've been healed. Now it seems like he's probably gonna be getting offseason shoulder surgery.

If we had anybody who could pick up the slack at DE then they would be on the field and we would be resting Mario...we do not so we've gotta let our best DL play. Because he's still our best DL by a large margin even when injured.

I just hope Barwin can develop into a legitimate pass rush specialist. Mario is one of the top all around DLs in the league when healthy because he can be stellar against both the run and pass. But we still do not have a guy we can tell to pin his ears back and get after the QB and that's their only job. Barwin has the potential, but he still needs to be developed.

Off topic but...

I was on the fence on draft day as to whether we should've drafted Unger or Barwin. I was happy with Barwin but you cant help but wonder if Max Unger could've upgraded the interior OL especially given all the recent injuries. I'm disappointed that Caldwell cant find a way on the field with both starting guards on IR and Chris Myers still starting at center.

DexmanC
11-26-2009, 02:01 PM
exactly. very sound philosophy against vince.

/sarcasm off

as for mario, if he sucks because he is injured then get someone else in there. i think many other players could have as much impact if they had as many snaps as Mario. and then you get the benefit of letting Mario heal.

its just getting old watching him run himself out of a play, do the same thing over and over, and make no impact.

Go ahead. Name this mythical "someone else" you're speaking of.

gary
11-26-2009, 06:17 PM
It would be nice if we could've let him sit a game or two when the shoulder injury could've been healed. Now it seems like he's probably gonna be getting offseason shoulder surgery.

If we had anybody who could pick up the slack at DE then they would be on the field and we would be resting Mario...we do not so we've gotta let our best DL play. Because he's still our best DL by a large margin even when injured.

I just hope Barwin can develop into a legitimate pass rush specialist. Mario is one of the top all around DLs in the league when healthy because he can be stellar against both the run and pass. But we still do not have a guy we can tell to pin his ears back and get after the QB and that's their only job. Barwin has the potential, but he still needs to be developed.

Off topic but...

I was on the fence on draft day as to whether we should've drafted Unger or Barwin. I was happy with Barwin but you cant help but wonder if Max Unger could've upgraded the interior OL especially given all the recent injuries. I'm disappointed that Caldwell cant find a way on the field with both starting guards on IR and Chris Myers still starting at center.Mario because stinks he is not bringing in sacks or getting to the QB. He should be there by cut at the end of this season because he not being the one man show he was drafted to be. Look folks his stats for this season still prove otherwise if you look past his sacks. He is one of the best DE's in the NFL and I have a feeling if the Texans were winning this wouldn't even be talked about. I know Mario and he'll get over his injury this offseason work on his game get things right and return to his 2008 form or better. He and AJ will still be the first HOF in Texans history with Ryans and Cushing flowing not that far behind them maybe even first valid bank on that.