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Hervoyel
11-24-2009, 12:44 AM
I really thought I'd be furious if something like this happened tonight. I'm not even remotely angry though. Instead I feel like writing about the game I just watched and some things I observed. I'll hop topics throughout this post and if you're looking for one of those rants I usually fire off following a loss then I'm sorry. I don't have it in me to go crazy right now.

Like I said I'm not angry. I'm disappointed. I'm sorely disappointed in the Texans tonight. I feel like they were beaten by a team that's very much their equal. Strengths are in different places but we're very evenly matched and I would have thought that a Monday Night game would have brought out the necessary intensity in the team. I'd have been wrong.

The Texans let me down tonight in a lot of ways but probably the biggest was the way they played the game. I see posts in here year round about how "dirty" the Titans play but tonight the Texans played dirty. Antonio Smith and Tim Bullman should be fined.

We played with very little composure and less control. This is alarming as we've done this two weeks in a row now. We could not afford to be a penalty machine in either of these past two games. We're a long way from being good enough to overcome those kinds of mistakes. This is something that worries me a lot. The team should be more efficient not less at this stage of the season.

What also worries me is the mindset of Kris Brown. He's somehow become Brad Lidge and that isn't good. It might be getting close to time to part ways with Kris. He is specifically coming up short in high-stress game winning/tying kicks. A kicker who can't deal with pressure is worthless. This is very troublesome.

I feel like our coaches got cute and shot themselves in the foot. This was particularly true with that weird play down in the red zone in the third quarter where Schaub seemed to be trying to force the ball to (I think) Slaton who was just about surrounded by Titans. Vinny and I traded "WTF?" text messages about that time. It was a horrible call and we were moving the ball well for the most part. We just bogged down and that call would have accomplished nothing even if it had been complete. I think particularly on offense we were badly out coached. It's strange to me to see a supposed offensive minded guru like Kubiak trotting out Chris Brown and a four yards and a cloud of dust offense following the bye week. This was his big surprise? How in the world does Chris Brown win the lions share of the snaps on MNF? I'm at a loss to explain what he was thinking.

Protecting Schaub is getting hard and hard to do. He's getting pounded a lot, sacked a lot, and his accuracy is becoming an issue. I think it's having guys up in his face all the time and getting crushed into the ground following every passing play. There were passes thrown tonight that would have looked just fine coming from David Carr.

I want to say that I really felt like Dunta Robinson had one of the crappiest games I've ever witnessed out of him. He's just utterly useless at this point. "Dunta Robinson: The new Fred Bennett" sums up my thoughts. Beat for a touchdown by a rookie? Check. Got your pass interference call? Check. Taking Morlon Greenwood angles at Chris Johnson and ending up with your face in the turf? Check.

Where was Reeves tonight? I never saw him.

Slaton didn't fumble though. That's good. He also looked like he was interested in running the ball though a couple of times I saw him literally pick an opening that didn't exist. It was weird on this one play. He was running down the line and appeared to spot something, pause, and then run right into a pack of Titans. It's like he's wearing a blindfold out there sometimes. He averaged 4 yards a carry though so I don't know why in the world Chris Brown was being featured. What happened to Moats? Foster?

I don't get it. I doubt I ever will. I think we're too young and too undisciplined to be much a threat to get to the playoffs. We're 8-8 and not as good on offense as we were last year. We're missing Owen Daniels, Chester Pitts, and Mike Brisiel. We're missing Steve Slaton too. We have too many missing or misfiring pieces to contend for a Wild Card.

That's just what I think following this game. A win against the Colts next week will be nice if we can get it but it won't mean anything really. We're 5-5 (familiar ground back at .500) and 6-5 is nothing to get excited about when a bad day in Jacksonville the next week could land us right back at .500 again. I'm not going to get excited over a .500 record and neither will most of our fans. It's take a step time and we didn't tonight. Nothing to really say about that but that we'll try and get them next time.

utahmark
11-24-2009, 12:49 AM
I feel like our coaches got cute and shot themselves in the foot. This was particularly true with that weird play down in the red zone in the third quarter where Schaub seemed to be trying to force the ball to (I think) Slaton who was just about surrounded by Titans. Vinny and I traded "WTF?" text messages about that time. It was a horrible call and we were moving the ball well for the most part. We just bogged down and that call would have accomplished nothing even if it had been complete. I think particularly on offense we were badly out coached. It's strange to me to see a supposed offensive minded guru like Kubiak trotting out Chris Brown and a four yards and a cloud of dust offense following the bye week. This was his big surprise? How in the world does Chris Brown win the lions share of the snaps on MNF? I'm at a loss to explain what he was thinking.



we have scored on that play a couple of times. they were not blitzing enough for that play to work though.

TexCanada
11-24-2009, 12:54 AM
we have scored on that play a couple of times. they were not blitzing enough for that play to work though.

Ya, they didn't really blitz much all night, so it was a strange call.

MEGA SWATT
11-24-2009, 12:55 AM
I really thought I'd be furious if something like this happened tonight. I'm not even remotely angry though. .

It's called apathy.

New_Texans
11-24-2009, 12:56 AM
I really thought I'd be furious if something like this happened tonight. I'm not even remotely angry though. Instead I feel like writing about the game I just watched and some things I observed. I'll hop topics throughout this post and if you're looking for one of those rants I usually fire off following a loss then I'm sorry. I don't have it in me to go crazy right now.

Like I said I'm not angry. I'm disappointed. I'm sorely disappointed in the Texans tonight. I feel like they were beaten by a team that's very much their equal. Strengths are in different places but we're very evenly matched and I would have thought that a Monday Night game would have brought out the necessary intensity in the team. I'd have been wrong.

The Texans let me down tonight in a lot of ways but probably the biggest was the way they played the game. I see posts in here year round about how "dirty" the Titans play but tonight the Texans played dirty. Antonio Smith and Tim Bullman should be fined.

We played with very little composure and less control. This is alarming as we've done this two weeks in a row now. We could not afford to be a penalty machine in either of these past two games. We're a long way from being good enough to overcome those kinds of mistakes. This is something that worries me a lot. The team should be more efficient not less at this stage of the season.

What also worries me is the mindset of Kris Brown. He's somehow become Brad Lidge and that isn't good. It might be getting close to time to part ways with Kris. He is specifically coming up short in high-stress game winning/tying kicks. A kicker who can't deal with pressure is worthless. This is very troublesome.

I feel like our coaches got cute and shot themselves in the foot. This was particularly true with that weird play down in the red zone in the third quarter where Schaub seemed to be trying to force the ball to (I think) Slaton who was just about surrounded by Titans. Vinny and I traded "WTF?" text messages about that time. It was a horrible call and we were moving the ball well for the most part. We just bogged down and that call would have accomplished nothing even if it had been complete. I think particularly on offense we were badly out coached. It's strange to me to see a supposed offensive minded guru like Kubiak trotting out Chris Brown and a four yards and a cloud of dust offense following the bye week. This was his big surprise? How in the world does Chris Brown win the lions share of the snaps on MNF? I'm at a loss to explain what he was thinking.

Protecting Schaub is getting hard and hard to do. He's getting pounded a lot, sacked a lot, and his accuracy is becoming an issue. I think it's having guys up in his face all the time and getting crushed into the ground following every passing play. There were passes thrown tonight that would have looked just fine coming from David Carr.

I want to say that I really felt like Dunta Robinson had one of the crappiest games I've ever witnessed out of him. He's just utterly useless at this point. "Dunta Robinson: The new Fred Bennett" sums up my thoughts. Beat for a touchdown by a rookie? Check. Got your pass interference call? Check. Taking Morlon Greenwood angles at Chris Johnson and ending up with your face in the turf? Check.

Where was Reeves tonight? I never saw him.

Slaton didn't fumble though. That's good. He also looked like he was interested in running the ball though a couple of times I saw him literally pick an opening that didn't exist. It was weird on this one play. He was running down the line and appeared to spot something, pause, and then run right into a pack of Titans. It's like he's wearing a blindfold out there sometimes. He averaged 4 yards a carry though so I don't know why in the world Chris Brown was being featured. What happened to Moats? Foster?

I don't get it. I doubt I ever will. I think we're too young and too undisciplined to be much a threat to get to the playoffs. We're 8-8 and not as good on offense as we were last year. We're missing Owen Daniels, Chester Pitts, and Mike Brisiel. We're missing Steve Slaton too. We have too many missing or misfiring pieces to contend for a Wild Card.

That's just what I think following this game. A win against the Colts next week will be nice if we can get it but it won't mean anything really. We're 5-5 (familiar ground back at .500) and 6-5 is nothing to get excited about when a bad day in Jacksonville the next week could land us right back at .500 again. I'm not going to get excited over a .500 record and neither will most of our fans. It's take a step time and we didn't tonight. Nothing to really say about that but that we'll try and get them next time.

Reeves was in on that one tip ball...actually covering his guy unlike Dunta.

drewmar74
11-24-2009, 12:59 AM
Herv-

Nice post.

I'd comment, but you did a damn fine job of reading my mind.

mussop
11-24-2009, 01:06 AM
If we really were a legitamte playoff team we would of won this game. There is absolutely no excuse for loosing this one. We are what I thought we are. A 500 club that on certain nights when things are clicking can beat better teams. I think Kubiack has done all he can here. Its time to move on. Bring in Cowher. And please none of this crap about Mario not being suited for a 3/4.

TexanExile
11-24-2009, 01:10 AM
I don't get it. I doubt I ever will.

You're not alone. Check out this quote from the postgame Chron coverage (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6736297.html):

"The Texans, who lost their second in a row, have suffered four consecutive defeats by blowing a chance at overtime on their last series."

Man, that hurts. Like you I've become almost numb to the outrage. Disappointed, yes...saddened by the lost opportunity, hell yes. But it's just too typical to get worked up about it anymore.

Dread-Head
11-24-2009, 01:18 AM
To clear my head...I'm going to watch...THIS video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG4iG2YMUGw

It was done by a very handsome, intelligent guy...so I've heard.

DexmanC
11-24-2009, 01:18 AM
I wish Jacoby Jones would have played. I know he wouldn't have choked
a wide open pass on 3rd down. I wish we had Owen Daniels. I know he
wouldn't have choked away an easy 1st down catch. I wish we'd handed
the ball to Slaton more. I wish we had a center who didn't collapse the pocket
himself on every snap.

Well, guys. We just gotta hope these boys can win 4 more games to avoid
another 8-8.

New_Texans
11-24-2009, 01:23 AM
I wish Jacoby Jones would have played. I know he wouldn't have choked
a wide open pass on 3rd down. I wish we had Owen Daniels. I know he
wouldn't have choked away an easy 1st down catch. I wish we'd handed
the ball to Slaton more. I wish we had a center who didn't collapse the pocket
himself on every snap.

Well, guys. We just gotta hope these boys can win 4 more games to avoid
another 8-8.

Jacoby Jones would have made a monumental difference for us offensively...notice how KW was completely silent? Teams know how to stop him because is isn't fast...JJ can do what Daniels was doing in pull coverage off of AJ because of his speed.

worldlyman
11-24-2009, 01:24 AM
5-5.

They still have a fighting chance. This is indeed a playoff game that the Texans lost.

But in the big picture they are still improving. They have the weapons to move and score...they just need to do it in more crucial moments. That was big, not scoring a clutch TD in that 3rd quarter red zone opportunity. That's a prime example.

Still, it's a young team that has not been embarrassed really since the Jets opening day fiasco.

They must take it out on the Indy Colts. It's starts from there. Analyze what went wrong; the Texans have to learn to contain certain scrambling QBs (not something that can always work in a game plan per se) but overall, they didn't turn the ball over. Not too many defenses have been containing Chris Johnson but I like how the Texans basically kept him under control except for two huge runs. It's not like he kept on gashing the D all game.

It came down to field goal kicking in a pitched battle between two evenly matched squads.

And I'm not angry either. I shrugged at wide left and went to work out after flipping the tv off.

spek
11-24-2009, 01:24 AM
Surprisingly I'm pissed off!!

Texans should have won this game plain and simple, u would think to have 2 freakin weeks to prepare for the this game they would have figured out that u should spy VY. Just disgusting, i think i saw 1 play where VY got legitimate pressure, more stupid penalties and dont even blame the refs cause there should have been a trippin call against houston.

DR played horrible,
Bo Scaiffe was open all night,
K. Brown has lost it,
Was Moats hurt or inactive, that would have been a nice change of pace,
To many passes and not enough runs, you need actual runs to make the play action successful,
No real pressure on VY,
On options why are all 3 linbackers respondin, leave one spying on the opposite side,
Shaub threw alot of bad passes,
where in the ____ is MW, it would be nice if he showed up, dline as a hole was horrible agaisnt the pass and gettin pressure,
To show up on MNF wanting respect, and u wonder why we get none!!!!

I will be cancelling my Sunday ticket, I am still a Texans fan and will be for life but the money I shell out to watch the Texans in this economy (especially when i make a point to come from dallas to go to a game every year)is not worth the product they put out on the field right now.

Scooter
11-24-2009, 01:26 AM
i am angry, and i am disappointed, but as i'm starting to be redundant in my few posts this season - i'm ok with that because i see my tenure as a Texans football fan being full of greatness in our near future. i'm not indifferent after a loss anymore as it's something to be expected, i'm pissed off because we can win each and every week. unlike shrugging off a loss as we did for our first 4 seasons as "here we go again", we're in the midst of an insane amount of young and league dominating talent. i'm mad as hell right now, and that's probably the best feeling i've had as a texans fan.

Texecutioner
11-24-2009, 01:33 AM
I'm not pissed. I'm just exhausted from so many so close but almost there games that somehow float away into the ocean with current. It's like we just get teased and tickled every other week and then get crushed in the end. I've gotten used to it at this point, almost like having a disappointing family member that keeps on screwing up when everyone's trying to help them.

This team just doesn't know how to close games in the end. Same problems as last year one way or the other. We keep finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win and that all starts at the top. :voodoo:

imatexan
11-24-2009, 01:38 AM
I'm not pissed. I'm just exhausted from so many so close but almost there games that somehow float away into the ocean with current. It's like we just get teased and tickled every other week and then get crushed in the end. I've gotten used to it at this point, almost like having a disappointing family member that keeps on screwing up when everyone's trying to help them.

This team just doesn't know how to close games in the end. Same problems as last year one way or the other. We keep finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win and that all starts at the top. :voodoo:

Agreed.

I just knew at the end that we would find a way to lose.

I cheered my heart out and tried to convince myself to think different but in the back of my mind something was telling me they were going to let me down.

I reacted the same way after VY's game winning TD... sitting in my seat broken and silent... one of the worst feelings.

Norg
11-24-2009, 01:38 AM
was umm Slaton and moats Injured or something

I was watching the game and i was like is Chris Brown our Starting Running back ????

LonerATO
11-24-2009, 01:42 AM
I think I get more upset during the game then after. I swear when the games ends I almost collapse due to being so jacked up and I think everyone one here is more pissed off that the Texans lost to VY/Titans.

Dishman
11-24-2009, 01:43 AM
I feel like our coaches got cute and shot themselves in the foot. This was particularly true with that weird play down in the red zone in the third quarter where Schaub seemed to be trying to force the ball to (I think) Slaton who was just about surrounded by Titans. Vinny and I traded "WTF?" text messages about that time. It was a horrible call and we were moving the ball well for the most part. We just bogged down and that call would have accomplished nothing even if it had been complete. I think particularly on offense we were badly out coached. It's strange to me to see a supposed offensive minded guru like Kubiak trotting out Chris Brown and a four yards and a cloud of dust offense following the bye week. This was his big surprise? How in the world does Chris Brown win the lions share of the snaps on MNF? I'm at a loss to explain what he was thinking.

Protecting Schaub is getting hard and hard to do. He's getting pounded a lot, sacked a lot, and his accuracy is becoming an issue. I think it's having guys up in his face all the time and getting crushed into the ground following every passing play. There were passes thrown tonight that would have looked just fine coming from David Carr.

I want to say that I really felt like Dunta Robinson had one of the crappiest games I've ever witnessed out of him. He's just utterly useless at this point. "Dunta Robinson: The new Fred Bennett" sums up my thoughts. Beat for a touchdown by a rookie? Check. Got your pass interference call? Check. Taking Morlon Greenwood angles at Chris Johnson and ending up with your face in the turf? Check.

Where was Reeves tonight? I never saw him.

Slaton didn't fumble though. That's good. He also looked like he was interested in running the ball though a couple of times I saw him literally pick an opening that didn't exist. It was weird on this one play. He was running down the line and appeared to spot something, pause, and then run right into a pack of Titans. It's like he's wearing a blindfold out there sometimes. He averaged 4 yards a carry though so I don't know why in the world Chris Brown was being featured. What happened to Moats? Foster?

I don't get it. I doubt I ever will. I think we're too young and too undisciplined to be much a threat to get to the playoffs. We're 8-8 and not as good on offense as we were last year. We're missing Owen Daniels, Chester Pitts, and Mike Brisiel. We're missing Steve Slaton too. We have too many missing or misfiring pieces to contend for a Wild Card.

That's just what I think following this game. A win against the Colts next week will be nice if we can get it but it won't mean anything really. We're 5-5 (familiar ground back at .500) and 6-5 is nothing to get excited about when a bad day in Jacksonville the next week could land us right back at .500 again. I'm not going to get excited over a .500 record and neither will most of our fans. It's take a step time and we didn't tonight. Nothing to really say about that but that we'll try and get them next time.

Great breakdown of things after tonight. I'm beginning to think the playoff expectations is really everyone in Houston just looking the other direction and just hoping for the best. In fact, I think the team and the fans are both confused.

As fans were desperate for a taste of success, but we should recognize the Texans can't tell their head from their ass. Hindsight is 20/20, but franchising Dunta has been a huge waste of money. Our genius offensive braintrust can't figure out how to create a running game and after all the runs with Brown tonight I think the coaches aren't sure how to solve things with the current roster. The play alling seemed way too conservative tonight. Just about everything screamed vintage Texans while we were all expecting them to show us they were for real by taking care of business in their own house.

What's worse is we will hear for the Nth time the same answers trotted out in the week following these types of losses.

Kimmy
11-24-2009, 02:09 AM
We had two choices tonight. Stop Chris Johnson from running the ball or stop Vince Young from running the ball. We failed at both

spek
11-24-2009, 02:16 AM
We had two choices tonight. Stop Chris Johnson from running the ball or stop Vince Young from running the ball. We failed at both

true dat

WesmanTexanfan
11-24-2009, 02:20 AM
Ya, we should have man covered every reciever and put every other effort to spying/blitzing/stoping the run. Make Vince throw out of his mind, hit him, knock him down. We barley touched him...

Btw, refs were all for Tennessee, no excuses, never leave game up to refs, but wow did it seem one sided and, well, wrong....

AnthonyE
11-24-2009, 02:24 AM
I'm not pissed. I'm just exhausted from so many so close but almost there games that somehow float away into the ocean with current. It's like we just get teased and tickled every other week and then get crushed in the end. I've gotten used to it at this point, almost like having a disappointing family member that keeps on screwing up when everyone's trying to help them.

This team just doesn't know how to close games in the end. Same problems as last year one way or the other. We keep finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win and that all starts at the top. :voodoo:

Read my mind. I'm not mad at all about how the Texans played today. We played well enough on offense and defense to win. There is one Texan in particular that I'm extremely concerned about: Kris Brown. 1/4 on his last 4 FGs, and 0/2 on game tying field goals in the last two games. It's ridiculous. Had he made that first field goal tonight, his second missed field goal could have been for the win

EDIT: Okay, I also have a bone to pick with the defense. No spy on VY at all this game. He would run freely on 3rd down every single time but one. When Pollard caught him in the backfield.

Vinny
11-24-2009, 04:07 AM
I'm stunned. I knew Kubiak wasn't good with time to put a game plan together but come on. I thought Kubiak's game plan was crap. Hey, let's bring back the Stacey Mack/Jon Wells rushing attack! Was this some sick joke played by Kubiak? He has a bye week and he comes up with this crap? Ok, I gotta idea....let's unleash Chris Brown! Yeah, that same Chris Brown that the Titans cut 3 years ago because he was washed up. Screw Moats! Just because he ran the ball well before the bye week doesn't mean he can play today...Just because! Slaton? Hey we're not trying to win...we're trying not to lose! That's why! Why don't we start Quinn over Reeves tonight? No real reason, just start him! Plus we can play man coverage against the VY just to be daring! Teams tend to zone guys like him but wtf!

Hell, I'm sick of Kubiak trying desperately to be the friggin' smartest guy in the room 24/7...and I think I'm a little grumbly about Kubiak getting out coached (by himself) at the moment. Kubiak is 5-16 against AFC South. This team is .500 going into week 12 and can't beat a 3 win team when they have an opportunity to solidify their playoff slot in week 11. I'm sick watching the smartest guy in the room coach this football team. Rotoworld reports that Bill Cowher's short list is Carolina, Chicago, and Houston. I'm all over that.

wagonhed
11-24-2009, 04:47 AM
It's late as hell and I don't feel like typing a lot. I just wanted to say that I agree with what Vinny said above, and I think the coaching in this game was terrible. Stupid decisions everywhere. No VY spy was retarded. The running back strategy was just dumb. The offensive playcalling I thought was the worst of all. I have no freaking idea what Kubiak was thinking out there but I don't think the guy has much of a clue how to win football games.

DexmanC
11-24-2009, 05:12 AM
The VY I saw was completely different than the VY I expected. I'm honestly
saying the kid will grow into a decent quarterback. If he goes to a different
system, I'm saying he could be Donovan Mcnabb. If he stays in Tennessee,
he'll be one of the best "game manager" type QB's in the league with the
ability to churn out first downs by himself. Did you guys see him making
READS!!?? The Texans couldn't key up to stop him, because if we did,
he'd actually complete passes. If we spied him, then CJ gets the crack
he needs to take the ball to the house. I'm actually one of the few
who has no problem at all with how we defensed him scheme-wise.

We got silly penalties most of the night, and Cushing missed a HUGE tackle
on the long CJ run by trying to go for the killshot instead of wrapping up.
Had Cushing made a textbook tackle, instead of getting cute, the Titans don't
take the lead with that fieldgoal. There were chances to win this game, but
our team doesn't yet make those plays.

Goatcheese
11-24-2009, 06:47 AM
I find it hard to be upset when I predicted they would finish 7-9. They're better than I thought they'd be. :kitten:

The VY I saw was completely different than the VY I expected. I'm honestly
saying the kid will grow into a decent quarterback. If he goes to a different
system, I'm saying he could be Donovan Mcnabb. If he stays in Tennessee,
he'll be one of the best "game manager" type QB's in the league with the
ability to churn out first downs by himself. Did you guys see him making
READS!!?? The Texans couldn't key up to stop him, because if we did,
he'd actually complete passes. If we spied him, then CJ gets the crack
he needs to take the ball to the house. I'm actually one of the few
who has no problem at all with how we defensed him scheme-wise.

We got silly penalties most of the night, and Cushing missed a HUGE tackle
on the long CJ run by trying to go for the killshot instead of wrapping up.
Had Cushing made a textbook tackle, instead of getting cute, the Titans don't
take the lead with that fieldgoal. There were chances to win this game, but
our team doesn't yet make those plays.

CJ had plenty of cracks, crevices, canyons, fault lines and general holes to run through, so I don't see what leaving a QB spy on VY would have changed.

DexmanC
11-24-2009, 06:52 AM
I find it hard to be upset when I predicted they would finish 7-9. They're better than I thought they'd be. :kitten:



CJ had plenty of cracks, crevices, canyons, fault lines and general holes to run through, so I don't see what leaving a QB spy on VY would have changed.

If Cushing would have wrapped up on that 50-yard run by Johnson, then
they'd have kept the Titans from scoring. It was classic "bend-don't-break"
against a couple blitzbeaters like Young and Johnson. Bottomline: the team
just didn't execute the plan well enough.

ChildressTitanMan
11-24-2009, 06:56 AM
I think the Titans wanted it more.

I didn't understand why Schaub didn't pick on Harper more. He was getting beaten consistently in coverage but either didn't see it or was locked in on another player.

The Titans didn't really do anything creative defensively but the Texans have lost their balance on offense. Even if Daniels was still playing the running game would be an achiles heel. I think Slaton is suffering from a classic case of a confidence crisis.

The pass he dropped underneath was a killer blow that he probably lost sleep over.

The defence did enough to get a win even though it wasn't a great performance. Realistically no one has been able to stop Chris Johnson lately and his partnership with Young is making it more difficult to stop each week.

DexmanC
11-24-2009, 07:05 AM
I think the Titans wanted it more.

I didn't understand why Schaub didn't pick on Harper more. He was getting beaten consistently in coverage but either didn't see it or was locked in on another player.

The Titans didn't really do anything creative defensively but the Texans have lost their balance on offense. Even if Daniels was still playing the running game would be an achiles heel. I think Slaton is suffering from a classic case of a confidence crisis.

The pass he dropped underneath was a killer blow that he probably lost sleep over.

The defence did enough to get a win even though it wasn't a great performance. Realistically no one has been able to stop Chris Johnson lately and his partnership with Young is making it more difficult to stop each week.

Although my fellow Texans' fans won't admit it, the CJ + VY combo is gonna
win a lot of games if they keep it together. The Texans faught like dogs,
and so did the Titans. However, your kicker knows what to do with a
big time fieldgoal. Our kicker has the yips.

Lucky
11-24-2009, 07:54 AM
Bottomline: the team
just didn't execute the plan well enough.
Maybe the bottomline is that the plan wasn't good enough? The plan that had Chris Brown get more touches than any other skill player. The plan that refused to put a spy on Vince Young, when everyone in the stadium knew he was going to run on 3rd down. Maybe we don't have one of the future all time greats as head coach?

Imatexanfan
11-24-2009, 08:02 AM
Maybe the fact we didn't try to throw the ball down field to AJ at the end of the game, instead we have Schaub run to the middle of the field for our beloved kicker to miss another FG. We had enough time to take a shot plus we had a TO...poor call coach.:rake:

Blake
11-24-2009, 08:12 AM
"I'm not angry but..."

How does our offense get shut out in the 2nd half to 3 points on 3 field goal attempts? Sounds like we started playing to not lose the game.

Why is Chris Brown getting so many carries over Slaton and Moats?

What is the deal with not spying on Vince Young? He ran almost every other drop back and for alot of 3rd down conversions...

Where was Reeves?

Mario was the invisible man last night.

Robinson dropped his chance to change his poor game into a decent game.

Not a huge gripe about our defense but how do we allow Tenn's big weapon to get 151 yards? Were we that worried about Vince throwing it down the field to a rookie and a couple of mid level veterans? Dont let Chris Johnson or Vince Young run, then worry about him passing.

I love the team. I love the talent, but another .500 or lower team will need a new HC for 2010.

OzzO
11-24-2009, 08:17 AM
Hopefully, Kubiak will answer all these questions on this afternoon's 610 show. (Good post by the way, Herv)

Pantherstang84
11-24-2009, 08:36 AM
Hopefully, Kubiak will answer all these questions on this afternoon's 610 show. (Good post by the way, Herv)

Well John, we need to do a better job as coaches... *thump* *thump* *thump*

Runner
11-24-2009, 08:41 AM
Bottomline: the team
just didn't execute the plan well enough.
Maybe the bottomline is that the plan wasn't good enough? The plan that had Chris Brown get more touches than any other skill player. The plan that refused to put a spy on Vince Young, when everyone in the stadium knew he was going to run on 3rd down. Maybe we don't have one of the future all time greats as head coach?

I guess next week Kubiak will run Foster out for a couple of 2.5 yards per carry quarters and then stay with him the rest of the way because that's the game plan. After that, Slaton should be back as the feature back. That will be good to see.

There are several players that have a lot of responsibilty for this loss, but Kubiak also needs to get over it and get his best players on the field. If they are his "skill position" players, Shanahan then needs to get them the ball.

MojoMan
11-24-2009, 08:54 AM
I agree with the theme of the OP. I am not angry, but I am disappointed.

This loss was not a mistake. Most knowledgeable people expected the Titans to be better than the Texans coming into this season. For some reason the Titans laid an egg during the first six games of the season. But now they are playing up to the level everyone thought they would before the season began. I hate to say it, but it is my sense that the Titans are currently a better team than the Texans. The Texans just are not there yet. That is why the Titans won this game and the Texans lost this game.

Still, the Indianapolis Colts have been limping along barely winning their games. They are due for a loss. Maybe the Texans can give it too them this coming Sunday.

Who knows what the rest of the season holds. The playoffs were always a long shot, and I suspect that those people who are angry right now are those who expected the Texans to make the playoffs this year. I never really did. Also, it appears to me that the Texans are playing up to expectations. On defense they are probably exceeding expectations.

So, let's root for our guys the rest of the way, and we will see what happens. As far as the loss to the Titans last night, this too will pass.

Mr. White
11-24-2009, 08:56 AM
I keep going back to this past offseason when I was hoping that they'd hire Gregg Williams.

Looks like I might get my wish after all.

Pantherstang84
11-24-2009, 08:59 AM
I keep going back to this past offseason when I was hoping that they'd hire Gregg Williams.

Looks like I might get my wish after all.

Isn't he the DC @ New Orleans?

If so, how do you think the Texans will land him?

Mr. White
11-24-2009, 09:03 AM
Isn't he the DC @ New Orleans?

If so, how do you think the Texans will land him?

He won't be looking for a DC job this upcoming offseason.

Runner
11-24-2009, 09:13 AM
Although my fellow Texans' fans won't admit it, the CJ + VY combo is gonna
win a lot of games if they keep it together.

This may sound strange since Johnson went for 151 rushing yards, but Young does limit some of his effectiveness. Johnson is a very dangerous open field runner, and he had zero catches this game. Vince runs instead of dumping the ball off to the outlet running back. While that was effective against the Texans, I think it would have been worse if Johnson got 4-5 open field looks on check down passes.

Hervoyel
11-24-2009, 12:03 PM
I'm stunned. I knew Kubiak wasn't good with time to put a game plan together but come on. I thought Kubiak's game plan was crap. Hey, let's bring back the Stacey Mack/Jon Wells rushing attack! Was this some sick joke played by Kubiak? He has a bye week and he comes up with this crap? Ok, I gotta idea....let's unleash Chris Brown! Yeah, that same Chris Brown that the Titans cut 3 years ago because he was washed up. Screw Moats! Just because he ran the ball well before the bye week doesn't mean he can play today...Just because! Slaton? Hey we're not trying to win...we're trying not to lose! That's why! Why don't we start Quinn over Reeves tonight? No real reason, just start him! Plus we can play man coverage against the VY just to be daring! Teams tend to zone guys like him but wtf!

Hell, I'm sick of Kubiak trying desperately to be the friggin' smartest guy in the room 24/7...and I think I'm a little grumbly about Kubiak getting out coached (by himself) at the moment. Kubiak is 5-16 against AFC South. This team is .500 going into week 12 and can't beat a 3 win team when they have an opportunity to solidify their playoff slot in week 11. I'm sick watching the smartest guy in the room coach this football team. Rotoworld reports that Bill Cowher's short list is Carolina, Chicago, and Houston. I'm all over that.

I couldn't help but spot this little nugget and agree. I think "Isn't it strange that despite the fact that this guy is some sort of offensive genius the teams that see him the most appear to have him completely figured out?"

HoustonFrog
11-24-2009, 12:28 PM
I'm stunned. I knew Kubiak wasn't good with time to put a game plan together but come on. I thought Kubiak's game plan was crap. Hey, let's bring back the Stacey Mack/Jon Wells rushing attack! Was this some sick joke played by Kubiak? He has a bye week and he comes up with this crap? Ok, I gotta idea....let's unleash Chris Brown! Yeah, that same Chris Brown that the Titans cut 3 years ago because he was washed up. Screw Moats! Just because he ran the ball well before the bye week doesn't mean he can play today...Just because! Slaton? Hey we're not trying to win...we're trying not to lose! That's why! Why don't we start Quinn over Reeves tonight? No real reason, just start him! Plus we can play man coverage against the VY just to be daring! Teams tend to zone guys like him but wtf!

Hell, I'm sick of Kubiak trying desperately to be the friggin' smartest guy in the room 24/7...and I think I'm a little grumbly about Kubiak getting out coached (by himself) at the moment. Kubiak is 5-16 against AFC South. This team is .500 going into week 12 and can't beat a 3 win team when they have an opportunity to solidify their playoff slot in week 11. I'm sick watching the smartest guy in the room coach this football team. Rotoworld reports that Bill Cowher's short list is Carolina, Chicago, and Houston. I'm all over that.

This might come across as silly but it almost seems to me that Kubes sat in his office and thought, "I'll give this kid a shot because he is playing his old team and he will do well and get revenge." This isn't a Disney movie with a cute ending, its the NFL.

Double Barrel
11-24-2009, 12:45 PM
I'm pretty apathetic. After the game, me and my buds just shrugged and all said "same old Texans". None of us care anymore. Yeah, we'll still watch the games and chat about football, but I have no emotions invested in this franchise at this point. They have drained it from me for eight seasons now. First drained my wallet with a grand marketing plan, then drained my emotions with consistently mediocre football, so I guess all that is left is my brain to get burned out of watching the modern day Saints who did not post a winning season in their first 20 years of existence. We are that team now, and until they prove otherwise, they will remain that team to the NFL.

Someday our ship will come until, but until then, I'll just watch the waves rolling up on the beach. That's all the Texans franchise is right now, wave after wave of mediocrity.

Runner
11-24-2009, 02:01 PM
There is no reason to be angry at the Texans anyway. You know the old saying:

Fool me once, shame on you. yada yada yada Fool me twenty-three times, shame on you. Fool me twenty-four times, shame on ME.

Vinny
11-24-2009, 02:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

JDizzle
11-24-2009, 02:50 PM
Angry? Nope. Disgusted would be the appropriate word to use here.

Hardcore Texan
11-24-2009, 03:18 PM
I am done being angry, this team has let me down so much it just more of the same ole, same ole. I am not going anywhere, I will always be a diehard fan but if we finish 8-8 or so again it's going to be tough paying that invoice in April. This team is like an ex-girlfriend you can't get out of your system, she keeps cheating on you and breaking your heart but you keep taking her back.

Hervoyel
11-24-2009, 03:23 PM
A day later after reading all the appropriate things being said by Texans players and coaches alike I have concluded that they really don't understand the necessity of winning these games and what it means to the entire city. The Texans aren't by and large "Texans". They are Houstonians by assignment not choice.

Some games are bigger than your season. A&M trying to upset Texas for instance. A win in that game turns whatever season A&M is having into pure gold. There are plenty of examples like that in the college game but not as many in the professional sport. To me at least the games against Tennessee and Indianapolis (and to a lesser degree Jacksonville) are along those lines. Those wins mean more to me. I don't know if anyone in the Texans organization really feels that way. Not deep down inside.

I think also that we're nowhere near the same team that we were last year. We're not even the same team we were earlier in the year where our offense is concerned. We were rolling along throwing up 30 points a game for a while and now without Owen Daniels we're no even breaking 20. The Texans first lost Steve Slaton's running and it hurt but we lost a lot early in the year because of our defense. Then they lost Pitts and Brisiel and that hurt too but it's not like we were running well before they went down. Pass protection suffered but we kept going. When you throw the ball as much as we've been throwing it you're going to give up some sacks. When Owen Daniels was lost however I think our offense reached its breaking point.

We aren't even close to as dangerous an offense without him.

Texecutioner
11-24-2009, 03:34 PM
I'm pretty apathetic. After the game, me and my buds just shrugged and all said "same old Texans". None of us care anymore. Yeah, we'll still watch the games and chat about football, but I have no emotions invested in this franchise at this point. They have drained it from me for eight seasons now. First drained my wallet with a grand marketing plan, then drained my emotions with consistently mediocre football, so I guess all that is left is my brain to get burned out of watching the modern day Saints who did not post a winning season in their first 20 years of existence. We are that team now, and until they prove otherwise, they will remain that team to the NFL.

Someday our ship will come until, but until then, I'll just watch the waves rolling up on the beach. That's all the Texans franchise is right now, wave after wave of mediocrity.


Yep, this pretty much sums it up for me. Speaking of the waves, as I mentioned earlier we continue to let so many winnable games simply float away with the current. That's the only thing that does get to me, is how every loss is so close where something epic ends up failing but I've even come to expect that at this point. At the end of the game I was rooting for us to win, but deep in my heart I expected us to lose, because that's what we've done the majority of the time in close situations in the Kubiak era. When Capers was here we simply just lost and usually got the game handed to us at half time. It's been the same ole Texans to me though since early on this season.

Texecutioner
11-24-2009, 03:37 PM
This might come across as silly but it almost seems to me that Kubes sat in his office and thought, "I'll give this kid a shot because he is playing his old team and he will do well and get revenge." This isn't a Disney movie with a cute ending, its the NFL.

But remember even in some of the disney movies, the main team can still lose in some of those movies, but the the main character at least still has a great game or great performance. Brown hasn't performed well since he's put on a Texans uniform and Kubes simply won't let go of his love for the guy.

DexmanC
11-24-2009, 03:45 PM
This may sound strange since Johnson went for 151 rushing yards, but Young does limit some of his effectiveness. Johnson is a very dangerous open field runner, and he had zero catches this game. Vince runs instead of dumping the ball off to the outlet running back. While that was effective against the Texans, I think it would have been worse if Johnson got 4-5 open field looks on check down passes.

I watched the game very closely, although I am emotionally invested in
this team. I saw a different QB in Vince. For instance, when the Texans
tried to run zone coverage and play contain, Vince would wait 'till all the
DB's had their backs turned, and he'd run for a first down and out of bounds.

When the Texans played man coverage, Vince would READ THE COVERAGE,
and check to a wide open receiver on a crossing route. They HAD to
focus on Chris Johnson, and Vince was playing well enough to force them
to honor his arm. Nate Washington dropped a beautiful bomb by Vince that
would have been ANOTHER touchdown. The kid was actually studying
the stills with his OC. They didn't let CJ score a touchdown, but Vince
didn't hurt the Titans' offense. These were two EVENLY MATCHED TEAMS.
When the game is this close, the difference is THE KICKER.

How many AFC Title Games have the Colts lost due to a kicker screwing up?
They lost so many, in fact, that they went and got the most clutch kicker
in the history of postseason, Vinatieri. All you saying a kicker doesn't
really matter, go look at those great teams. Tom Brady wouldn't have
the rings he has if it werent for Vinatieri. Peyton would have MORE rings,
if Vanderjagt didn't shank one against the Steelers.

gary
11-24-2009, 04:10 PM
I think it is just matter of time before the Texans start to tank it on Gary if they don't hit their stride soon. Gary has improved the overall state of the team but he has not done anything beyond that to put this team on his back and carry them to the next level. He is a nice guy in person but that does not get the job done in the NFL or anywhere. Every single time I begin to get my hopes up start trusting in him he makes a bad choise and let's us all down. That run by Matt on the second to the last play of only to get back to the LOS boggled my mind. I would have either taken a shot down the field or a simple sideline pass and then get out of bounds and stop the clock although I'm not so sure that would have made a difference for Kris Brown but the bottom line is Gary never gets into the game as much as other coaches around the league and flat out leaves his bunch unprepared and not motivated. I see others who are more involved and let their players know when they don't do something right or do something wrong and Gary often does not do that. This is starting to all fall on him with every game that goes by that isn't win if it's not all on him already and I think it is. He has had the job long enough to bring this team beyond the 8-8 mark and he hasn't and I am starting to think he never will. It's time for a change at HC someone who is a high demander and comes in and raises hell and last but not least get his team ready to play for each and every single game. BC is that guy and I just hope Mr. Bob sees that sooner rather than later and does not stick with Gary for as long as stuck with Dom and make the same mistake but I trust he'll make the correct call to bring not just a football team back to Houston but a winning one at that.

Imatexanfan
11-24-2009, 04:21 PM
I think it is just matter of time before the Texans start to tank it on Gary if they don't hit their stride soon. Gary has improved the overall state of the team but he has not done anything beyond that to put this team on his back and carry them to the next level. He is a nice guy in person but that does not get the job done in the NFL or anywhere. Every single time I begin to get my hopes up start trusting in him he makes a bad choise and let's us all down. That run by Matt on the second to the last play of only to get back to the LOS boggled my mind. I would have either taken a shot down the field or a simple sideline pass and then get out of bounds and stop the clock although I'm not so sure that would have made a difference for Kris Brown but the bottom line is Gary never gets into the game as much as other coaches around the league and flat out leaves his bunch unprepared and not motivated. I see others who are more involved and let their players know when they don't do something right or do something wrong and Gary often does not do that. This is starting to all fall on him with every game that goes by that isn't win if it's not all on him already and I think it is. He has had the job long enough to bring this team beyond the 8-8 mark and he hasn't and I am starting to think he never will. It's time for a change at HC someone who is a high demander and comes in and raises hell and last but not least get his team ready to play for each and every single game. BC is that guy and I just hope Mr. Bob sees that sooner rather than later and does not stick with Gary for as long as stuck with Dom and make the same mistake but I trust he'll make the correct call to bring not just a football team back to Houston but a winning one at that.

Exactly I did not understand...why?! :foottap:

DexmanC
11-24-2009, 04:23 PM
Before you say Mike Singletary's a better coach than Kubiak, who has
the 49ers beat? I can't name ONE real team they've beaten. Also,
yellers eventually get players to tune them out.

Double Barrel
11-24-2009, 04:25 PM
Yep, this pretty much sums it up for me. Speaking of the waves, as I mentioned earlier we continue to let so many winnable games simply float away with the current. That's the only thing that does get to me, is how every loss is so close where something epic ends up failing but I've even come to expect that at this point. At the end of the game I was rooting for us to win, but deep in my heart I expected us to lose, because that's what we've done the majority of the time in close situations in the Kubiak era. When Capers was here we simply just lost and usually got the game handed to us at half time. It's been the same ole Texans to me though since early on this season.

yep, we all felt the same way, as well. When it was 14-14 at the half, I felt it slipping. When it was 17-17 at the end of the third, it was one of those bad omen feelings but hope for the best since we were still tied. When it came down to the FG at the end, I told my buddies that he's going to miss it. I wasn't being pessimistic, but I just felt it in my bones. And I would rather lose that way than see VY run in a TD in OT. That might have broken me for good.

gary
11-24-2009, 04:27 PM
Exactly I did not understand...why?! :foottap:I'm not sure who drew that one up but that was stiupid.

Imatexanfan
11-24-2009, 04:31 PM
one is the fact Schaub can throw the deep ball well and two is AJ the best damn reciever period, give em a chance. I mean we've been throwin it all game...:mcnugget:

gary
11-24-2009, 04:38 PM
Before you say Mike Singletary's a better coach than Kubiak, who has
the 49ers beat? I can't name ONE real team they've beaten. Also,
yellers eventually get players to tune them out.We don't have to have a screamer but someone who has a known track record and is not as passive.

dc_txtech
11-24-2009, 04:40 PM
yep, we all felt the same way, as well. When it was 14-14 at the half, I felt it slipping. When it was 17-17 at the end of the third, it was one of those bad omen feelings but hope for the best since we were still tied. When it came down to the FG at the end, I told my buddies that he's going to miss it. I wasn't being pessimistic, but I just felt it in my bones. And I would rather lose that way than see VY run in a TD in OT. That might have broken me for good.

I was about to type the very same thing. As soon as i saw the play call to get it to the middle of the field, I turned to my girlfriend and said "we're gunna lose". Like you said, I literally felt it, that sinking sensation that I usually don't get until after the last play. I wasn't surprised when it went wide left, I calmly walked to my room and went to sleep (passed out more like it).


Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but we had 8 seconds left and a timeout. That allows us to throw the ball anywhere on the field and still stop the clock. The way we were moving the ball I felt confident we could pick up 10-12 yards and still get the timeout. Is it really better to get the ball in the middle of the field than to knock several yards off the FG?

IMO that was the worst decision Kubiak has made as head coach.

Vinny
11-24-2009, 04:46 PM
Before you say Mike Singletary's a better coach than Kubiak, who has
the 49ers beat? I can't name ONE real team they've beaten. Also,
yellers eventually get players to tune them out.
Singletary isn't just a "yeller". Some of the opinion about Singletary in here is really just talking out of your keysters in defense of Kubiak. Hell this is Kubiak's 3rd season of mediocre ball and you guys won't give Singletary one full season to say he sucks...just reeks of homer keyster takes..

gary
11-24-2009, 05:02 PM
For those who are willing to stay the course with Gary just look at some of the calls he made through out the game last night and starting Chris Brown at RB.

Khari
11-24-2009, 05:10 PM
lmao.....the 9ers board wants to get rid of singletary ......... how bout we trade? LOL

Texan_Bill
11-24-2009, 05:16 PM
http://bigeastsux.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/waterboy.jpg

Townie: "Oh, no! We suck again!"

utahmark
11-24-2009, 05:16 PM
For those who are willing to stay the course with Gary just look at some of the calls he made through out the game last night and starting Chris Brown at RB.

did anyone ever say if there was anything wrong with moats? was he hurt?

gary
11-24-2009, 06:04 PM
did anyone ever say if there was anything wrong with moats? was he hurt?Before the game nothing was said about being out.