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gtexan02
11-23-2009, 11:13 PM
I hate VY. I hate the Titans.

I thought the Tit fans talking smack were ridiculous. It was obvious that Chris Johnson was the real threat.

But tonight Chris Johnson hit no home runs.
Tonight Chris Johnson has 150+ yards, but it was the 3rd and long scrambles that really killed this team. If it was half as demoralizing for the players as it was for me, then those were what did it.

He passed rarely, but he passed efficiently. He ran rarely, but he ran efficiently.

He is anything but a good quarterback, but his play tonight won the game. We couldn't figure out how to spy him. I can't understand why it was so difficult. If you can spy Vick, surely you can spy VY. But nope. And he beat us

qman_tx
11-23-2009, 11:16 PM
Yeah VY got us with his stellar 70 yards rushing and subpar passing for 112 yards. Good game for the Titans. Maybe they might win the rest of thier games, (Chris Johnson quote).

DexmanC
11-23-2009, 11:18 PM
The problem with spying VY, is that you got to worry about Chris Johnson.
If you slip up AT ALL, CJ will take it to the house. VY makes CJ better,
and CJ makes VY better. Still, if KB makes those easy kicks (for him)
we win the game.

HTown2ATX
11-23-2009, 11:24 PM
The problem with spying VY, is that you got to worry about Chris Johnson.
If you slip up AT ALL, CJ will take it to the house. VY makes CJ better,
and CJ makes VY better. Still, if KB makes those easy kicks (for him)
we win the game.

You mean Lidge right?

gtexan02
11-23-2009, 11:26 PM
The problem with spying VY, is that you got to worry about Chris Johnson.
If you slip up AT ALL, CJ will take it to the house. VY makes CJ better,
and CJ makes VY better. Still, if KB makes those easy kicks (for him)
we win the game.

We would have tied you mean.

Like I said. VY is not a good QB, but he makes that team competitive

DiehardChris
11-23-2009, 11:32 PM
I hate VY. I hate the Titans.

I thought the Tit fans talking smack were ridiculous. It was obvious that Chris Johnson was the real threat.

But tonight Chris Johnson hit no home runs.
Tonight Chris Johnson has 150+ yards, but it was the 3rd and long scrambles that really killed this team. If it was half as demoralizing for the players as it was for me, then those were what did it.

He passed rarely, but he passed efficiently. He ran rarely, but he ran efficiently.

He is anything but a good quarterback, but his play tonight won the game. We couldn't figure out how to spy him. I can't understand why it was so difficult. If you can spy Vick, surely you can spy VY. But nope. And he beat us

Exactly right on all counts. It sucks, and it hurts - but VY was the difference tonight. Goodbye, Austin TV coverage of the Texans. It was fun while it lasted.

Dread-Head
11-23-2009, 11:38 PM
(SIGH) I would rather French kiss Michael Irvins dumb, countrified, crack smoking, semi-literate, English language slaughtering, Dallas Cowgirl @$$ while on all fours right before the national anthem at the Superbowl after declaring him the "greatest athlete to ever play his position on the greatest team in the history of sports."
Rest assured I'll give myself a blindfolded vasectomy at night, in the dark, during an earthquake with rusty antique, garden tools after drinking heavily for several hours ...before that EVER happens. My hatred has simply been intensified.

Khari
11-23-2009, 11:39 PM
no he didn't

Hookem Horns
11-23-2009, 11:39 PM
So what you want but VY is a good QB. He obviously doesn't need the stats to get the result. Our guy has all the stats but doesn't get the result.

Whatever, I have been slapped in the face so many times being a NFL fan I am really questioning even getting into this anymore. I would love to wake up tomorrow and not care about the NFL period.

Jackie Chiles
11-23-2009, 11:41 PM
So what you want but VY is a good QB. He obviously doesn't need the stats to get the result. Our guy has all the stats but doesn't get the result.

Whatever, I have been slapped in the face so many times being a NFL fan I am really questioning even getting into this anymore. I would love to wake up tomorrow and not care about the NFL period.

Yeah, why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

Goatcheese
11-23-2009, 11:44 PM
Running the ball well wins football games.

The Titans had over 200 yards rushing. The Titans won.

Hmm.

Dread-Head
11-23-2009, 11:48 PM
Our kicker missing two out of three field goals...and a MYSTERY horsecollar in the last 2 mins...had NOTHING to do with it? :thinking:

3ul! $#:t!

houstonhurricane
11-23-2009, 11:58 PM
I hate to admit it, but VY played a very, smart and efficient game and made plays when it counted. I hate the Tacks and am no VY fan, but he deserves props for playing a very solid game and leading his team to the win.

Goatcheese
11-24-2009, 12:03 AM
Our kicker missing two out of three field goals...and a MYSTERY horsecollar in the last 2 mins...had NOTHING to do with it? :thinking:

3ul! $#:t!

Mystery horse collar, ticky tack late hit out of bounds on Cushing, phantom defensive holding calls, etc. etc. etc.

Par for the course for Houston.

I wonder if KB has money on these games. The guy is killing me.

GuerillaBlack
11-24-2009, 12:06 AM
So what you want but VY is a good QB. He obviously doesn't need the stats to get the result. Our guy has all the stats but doesn't get the result.

Whatever, I have been slapped in the face so many times being a NFL fan I am really questioning even getting into this anymore. I would love to wake up tomorrow and not care about the NFL period.

I'm trying to be one of those people that says the NFL is stupid.

cdollaz
11-24-2009, 12:10 AM
Yeah VY got us with his stellar 70 yards rushing and subpar passing for 112 yards. Good game for the Titans. Maybe they might win the rest of thier games, (Chris Johnson quote).

If that were a real Chris Johnson quote, none of us would be able to understand it.

Goatcheese
11-24-2009, 12:16 AM
If that were a real Chris Johnson quote, none of us would be able to understand it.

It would look something like:

We gun goh un wun ollutuh gays fo shu. Wii gun may duh plei uffs.

Dread-Head
11-24-2009, 01:16 PM
That looks more like something Shannon Sharpe might have said.

gg no re
11-24-2009, 01:24 PM
Vince Young did beat us.

We challenged him to throw the football, and he threw it.

We failed to get contain on him, and he ran on us all day.

He beat us.

Vinny
11-24-2009, 01:26 PM
I hate VY. I hate the Titans.

I thought the Tit fans talking smack were ridiculous. It was obvious that Chris Johnson was the real threat.

But tonight Chris Johnson hit no home runs.
Tonight Chris Johnson has 150+ yards, but it was the 3rd and long scrambles that really killed this team. If it was half as demoralizing for the players as it was for me, then those were what did it.

He passed rarely, but he passed efficiently. He ran rarely, but he ran efficiently.

He is anything but a good quarterback, but his play tonight won the game. We couldn't figure out how to spy him. I can't understand why it was so difficult. If you can spy Vick, surely you can spy VY. But nope. And he beat us
hate is bad for the soul. I'd like to see the Texans kick the crap out of them but this team is mediocre. VY played impressively last night. Hat's off.

Norg
11-24-2009, 01:26 PM
looks like its back to the drawing board LOL

Mailman
11-24-2009, 01:30 PM
Vince Young did not beat us. Vince Young's TEAM beat us, with help from the home team.

Spled
11-24-2009, 01:34 PM
Vince is a great athlete, but take away Chris Johnson and how good of a quarterback is he?

Texan_Bill
11-24-2009, 01:34 PM
Vince Young did not beat us. Vince Young's TEAM beat us, with help from the home team.

Agreed.

Goatcheese
11-24-2009, 01:35 PM
Vince Young did beat us.

We challenged him to throw the football, and he threw it.

We failed to get contain on him, and he ran on us all day.

He beat us.

:mcnugget:

We challenged him to throw the football, and he threw it for 116 yards, at a record shattering 5.3 ypa.

If Schaub laid that kind of turd on the football field there would be 40 "FIRE SCHAUB!!!11!!!one!!!" threads, calling him the worst QB in the NFL.

VY is David Carr with better running ability, and that's being kind.

We lost this game because CJ went off on our ass, and we made a lot of errors to help them out.

VY might as well have been in the stands.

cardiactgaters
11-24-2009, 01:36 PM
:brickwall:

rollinstone18
11-24-2009, 01:37 PM
Vince Young did beat us.

We challenged him to throw the football, and he threw it.

We failed to get contain on him, and he ran on us all day.

He beat us.

yup.

and i'll have nothing to say to the vy fanboys (everyone in austin) until we play them again next year. very lame.

steelbtexan
11-24-2009, 01:40 PM
I'm trying to be one of those people that says the NFL is stupid.

I'm begining to agree with you.

Dan B.
11-24-2009, 01:56 PM
I don't think that Vince beat us singlehandedly, but that was not a David Carr performance last night. He wasn't perfect, but he was good when he had to be. Sure it helped that he didn't have hands in his face the way Matt did all night. Sure CJ>CB. But Vince played like a legit starting NFL QB last night. I won't go so far as to say he outplayed Schaub (considering the aforementioned abysmal line play as well as several odious play calls), but he was just as good. Vince matched him drive for drive. No Texan fan should be defending that mess last night.

I don't want to sound like Gruden, but Young looked more poised than I've seen him in a long time. If Vince can continue to harness his decision making he can be an exceptional NFL talent.

Guys, there has to be some crow served here. Vince played very well.

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2009, 01:59 PM
I don't think that Vince beat us singlehandedly, but that was not a David Carr performance last night. He wasn't perfect, but he was good when he had to be. Sure it helped that he didn't have hands in his face the way Matt did all night. Sure CJ>CB. But Vince played like a legit starting NFL QB last night. I won't go so far as to say he outplayed Schaub (considering the aforementioned abysmal line play as well as several odious play calls), but he was just as good. Vince matched him drive for drive. No Texan fan should be defending that mess last night.

I don't want to sound like Gruden, but Young looked more poised than I've seen him in a long time. If Vince can continue to harness his decision making he can be an exceptional NFL talent.

Guys, there has to be some crow served here. Vince played very well.

I think it's demoralizing when he scrambles for first downs time and time again .

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 02:03 PM
Vince is a great athlete, but take away Chris Johnson and how good of a quarterback is he?

I think the Chris Johnson/Vince Young option is the most devastating play to be called in the NFL right now. Wow. Tough to stop. Whatever gets her done is all that matters. Fisher is utilizing his players' talent to their best abilities. That's how you use Vince Young correctly.

God. Brutal seeing them like that last night.

gg no re
11-24-2009, 02:08 PM
In all honesty I hope they bring LenWhale© back out and go to a wishbone/triple option attack.

Kinda wanna see more offensive variety in the NFL tbqh.

Just not when they play us.

Thorn
11-24-2009, 02:09 PM
VY did not beat the Texans, the Texans beat the Texans.

As usual.

TheRealJoker
11-24-2009, 02:10 PM
I was pissed off when the announcers were talking like Vince was pulling a Peyton Manning on us from the start of the game to the final whistle...

BUT if our team doesn't come up with wins then we're gonna have to keep hearing it. Vince made plays when he had to and got lots of attention. Schaub did the same thing except with his arm. Both guys led their offense into FG range at the end of the game...only one guy's kicker made the FG.

If we dont make the plays at the end we're never gonna get respect. Nobody cares if we play a team tough, they just care about the end result. Do you think anybody that doesn't follow this team remembers that when VY scored the WINNING td it was in a tough overtime game? No, they just remember he scored the winning td and from there they think he just dominated us from start to finish. Until we come up with the win at the end, we're not gonna get respect.

Double Barrel
11-24-2009, 02:11 PM
The break has been good for VY. He has looked solid the past few weeks. He's not trying to carry the team on his back anymore, but rather playing within his abilities and letting the team carry it's share of the load. His decision making was smart, his line gave him time in the pocket, and he made some good reads/passes. His running ability on third down is just something that the Texans cannot figure out how to defend.

I'm not a fan of VY, but I can't hate on the guy. I wish he was on another team than the Titans, but it is what it is. We have been unable to stop him every time we've played him, and that's just not a fluke. He's got our number and rallies his team when it matters. I wish could say the same about our QB (not blaming Schaub or comparing the two, but leadership is one of the intangibles that can, and does, make a difference).

Vinny
11-24-2009, 02:12 PM
Vince Young did not beat us. Vince Young's TEAM beat us, with help from the home team.

Vince Young is 52-13 since leaving Madison High School....so face it...stats are for baseball. Young just wins.

thunderkyss
11-24-2009, 02:22 PM
hate is bad for the soul. I'd like to see the Texans kick the crap out of them but this team is mediocre. VY played impressively last night. Hat's off.

I don't think we are any more/less mediocre that Tennessee.

I don't know what it is that we are missing, but we are missing it in a bad way.

Tennessee has it, & it's got the team, the fans... & those idiots on BSPN thinking they could run the table, and make the play-offs.

Attitude.. Intensity.. sense of urgency...... something along those lines.

Or maybe just a will to win.

Mailman
11-24-2009, 02:29 PM
Vince Young is 52-13 since leaving Madison High School....so face it...stats are for baseball. Young just wins.

Westlake Chaps say HI VINCE. If he's such a godlike winner, how did Madison lose the state championship? And why didn't Texas win the MNC in 2004?

I know you're being facetious, but those who say "Vince just wins" are not engaging in worthwhile football analysis. Wins are a team stat, just as they are in baseball.

The Titans winning right now with VY at quarterback is the worst thing that could happen to the chance of having a reasonable discussion about why it's happening. Put VY in the equation and the sniffers get real stupid real quick.

TBC_Titan
11-24-2009, 02:32 PM
I think the Chris Johnson/Vince Young option is the most devastating play to be called in the NFL right now. Wow. Tough to stop. Whatever gets her done is all that matters. Fisher is utilizing his players' talent to their best abilities. That's how you use Vince Young correctly.

God. Brutal seeing them like that last night.
No no. Please give anyone on the coaching staff BUT Fisher credit for this. If Fisher had his way, Collins would still be starting and we would probably be 1-9 at best.
Fisher has all but ran this team into the ground. It's because of his ass-crack decisions in the off-season, TC and beginning of the season that we started off 0-6. It was also his decision to start the healed Harper at CB over Hood, who has had 3 INTs in as many games. I hate seeing coaches who place loyalty over skill.
Bud had to force Fisher to start Vince if that tells you anything. You guys can have Fisher if you want.

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 02:33 PM
Westlake Chaps say HI VINCE. If he's such a godlike winner, how did Madison lose the state championship? And why didn't Texas win the MNC in 2004?

I know you're being facetious, but those who say "Vince just wins" are not engaging in worthwhile football analysis. Wins are a team stat, just as they are in baseball.

The Titans winning right now with VY at quarterback is the worst thing that could happen to the chance of having a reasonable discussion about why it's happening. Put VY in the equation and the sniffers get real stupid real quick.

Who gives a bleep?!?! He's WINNING and he keeps winning in grand fashion! It does not matter at the end of the day. It's all about wins. For the duration of the entire second half, I was having flashbacks of Vince Young slashing our defense for the win a couple years ago. a 38 yard run on 4th down as time expired was it?

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 02:36 PM
No no. Please give anyone on the coaching staff BUT Fisher credit for this. If Fisher had his way, Collins would still be starting and we would probably be 1-9 at best.
Fisher has all but ran this team into the ground. It's because of his ass-crack decisions in the off-season, TC and beginning of the season that we started off 0-6. It was also his decision to start the healed Harper at CB over Hood, who has had 3 INTs in as many games. I hate seeing coaches who place loyalty over skill.
Bud had to force Fisher to start Vince if that tells you anything. You guys can have Fisher if you want.

I'm not a fan of Jeff Fisher myself. I think he's always been mediocre and I'm not a fan of his style. I like playing clean football games.

The fact of the matter is that Bud Adams is not the one who's coaching Vince Young. Jeff Fisher is designing the plays. You'd never see a Collins/Johnson option on a regular basis now would ya?

Mailman
11-24-2009, 02:37 PM
No no. Please give anyone on the coaching staff BUT Fisher credit for this. If Fisher had his way, Collins would still be starting and we would probably be 1-9 at best.
Fisher has all but ran this team into the ground. It's because of his ass-crack decisions in the off-season, TC and beginning of the season that we started off 0-6. It was also his decision to start the healed Harper at CB over Hood, who has had 3 INTs in as many games. I hate seeing coaches who place loyalty over skill.
Bud had to force Fisher to start Vince if that tells you anything. You guys can have Fisher if you want.

If you think Bud Adams has any clue whatsoever you are mistaken. If you're picking between him and Fisher, you should probably trust your coach more than your petulant owner. I have a sneaky suspicion Fisher knows what he's doing.

Mailman
11-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Who gives a bleep?!?! He's WINNING and he keeps winning in grand fashion! It does not matter at the end of the day. It's all about wins. For the duration of the entire second half, I was having flashbacks of Vince Young slashing our defense for the win a couple years ago. a 38 yard run on 4th down as time expired was it?

They scored a whopping 20 points last night and needed Chris Johnson to tote the ball 30 times to do it, but Vince Young is the reason they won. Riiight.

This is the stupid I'm referring to. Vince Young had no role in Kris Brown's performance, nor did he do anything to make Dunta Robinson drop a game-changing interception. If Dunta makes that easy catch, does the "Vince Young just wins" nonsense hold up?

Silver Oak
11-24-2009, 02:48 PM
Matt Schaub passed for his 6th 300+ yd game this season, yet vince young is the touted qb.

a new low has been reached.

Mr. White
11-24-2009, 02:54 PM
Matt Schaub passed for his 6th 300+ yd game this season, yet vince young is the touted qb.

a new low has been reached.

Real low of them to tout a win instead of statistics. How dare they!!!:stooges:

Imatexanfan
11-24-2009, 02:55 PM
Matt Schaub passed for his 6th 300+ yd game this season, yet vince young is the touted qb.

a new low has been reached.

Schaub can have 500 consecutive 300 yd games every season, he still will not have what VY has, leadership, dedication and a willing to win. When will ya'll see that?! Stats are not all they crack up to be, you have to win thats it.:ahhaha:

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 02:58 PM
They scored a whopping 20 points last night and needed Chris Johnson to tote the ball 30 times to do it, but Vince Young is the reason they won. Riiight.

This is the stupid I'm referring to. Vince Young had no role in Kris Brown's performance, nor did he do anything to make Dunta Robinson drop a game-changing interception. If Dunta makes that easy catch, does the "Vince Young just wins" nonsense hold up?

I'm stupid? Ah man. I thought I had more respect than that from most of y'all. Okay then.

:kitten:

Vince Young must be the luckiest man on earth then because all he's ever done is be on winning teams. He's pulling out wins from his ass. That being said... what Vince Young is to me is a gamechanger. He's not a great QB but he's certainly a gamechanger.

Mailman
11-24-2009, 03:03 PM
I'm stupid? Ah man. I thought I had more respect than that from most of y'all. Okay then.

:kitten:

Vince Young must be the luckiest man on earth then because all he's ever done is be on winning teams. He's pulling out wins from his ass. That being said... what Vince Young is to me is a gamechanger. He's not a great QB but he's certainly a gamechanger.

I didn't say you were stupid, Nitro. I'm talking about the stupid narratives that follow VY around because his fanboys can't handle it when anyone dares to diminish his role in the Titans victories.

Yeah, VY is quite lucky. He was great with his feet last night and made some okay plays with his arm, but he only completed 12 of 22 passes and should have had one interception on his boxscore. Everyone watching that game saw Dunta drop an easy INT. That was a terrible throw, and probably a game-changing one, so yeah...he was blessed on that one. He screwed up and Dunta screwed up just as badly.

Vinny
11-24-2009, 03:07 PM
They scored a whopping 20 points last night and needed Chris Johnson to tote the ball 30 times to do it, but Vince Young is the reason they won. Riiight.

This is the stupid I'm referring to. Vince Young had no role in Kris Brown's performance, nor did he do anything to make Dunta Robinson drop a game-changing interception. If Dunta makes that easy catch, does the "Vince Young just wins" nonsense hold up?excuses are for losers...you don't see winners make 'em.

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 03:09 PM
I didn't say you were stupid, Nitro. I'm talking about the stupid narratives that follow VY around because his fanboys can't handle it when anyone dares to diminish his role in the Titans victories.

Yeah, VY is quite lucky. He was great with his feet last night and made some okay plays with his arm, but he only completed 12 of 22 passes and should have had one interception on his boxscore. Everyone watching that game saw Dunta drop an easy INT. That was a terrible throw, and probably a game-changing one, so yeah...he was blessed on that one. He screwed up and Dunta screwed up just as badly.

Well... I must be getting stupider by the minute because I'm thinking about hitching a ride on the Young bandwagon for a little while. He's the exciting thing in the NFL right now. That Young/Johnson option has to be the most devastating play in the NFL right now. A beauty to watch. That's football at its finest and Vince Young is a football player.

GuerillaBlack
11-24-2009, 03:10 PM
Schaub can have 500 consecutive 300 yd games every season, he still will not have what VY has, leadership, dedication and a willing to win. When will ya'll see that?! Stats are not all they crack up to be, you have to win thats it.:ahhaha:

Yeah, Matt Schaub definitely has all of that. Try again.

Texan_Bill
11-24-2009, 03:11 PM
Re: Vince Young beat us tonite. I can admit it

What?!?!? Wha?? I thought Kris Brown lost the game for the Texans.

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Yeah, Matt Schaub definitely has all of that. Try again.

I don't see Matt Schaub taking the game into his hands. Don't get me wrong! I love Matt Schaub and would take him over Vince Young anyday! Schaub does lack that ability to take the game into his hands. He needs to stop cupping his helmet trying so hard to listen to coaches on the radio and just play frickin' football. He gets extremely frustrated when he can't hear. Look at his face. Just look at it. He's a puppet. I'm actually getting a little embarrassed by it. He needs to buy a hearing aid or mask his frustration a little better.

Double Barrel
11-24-2009, 03:15 PM
While I am far from a VY-fan, it's hard not to look at a team that was 0-6 change their QB and see them on a four game winning streak and not make the connection.

While it's not ALL VY, it's a bit silly to act like he has nothing to do with it.

Imatexanfan
11-24-2009, 03:16 PM
Yeah, Matt Schaub definitely has all of that. Try again.

:goodluck:Just to make sure you get my drift, no he don't have "it". IF he did "it" would have been the other way around last night, Schaub would be 4-0 against the Titans instead of VY, try again huh?! I can go on and on...

Vinny
11-24-2009, 03:17 PM
What?!?!? Wha?? I thought Kris Brown lost the game for the Texans.
I know you were being sarcastic so this ain't aimed at you. Brown had a brutal game but we weren't winning when he went to kick and not only was it a tough kick (long kick), the team was only in a position to tie, and not win. Teams win football games...Kickers just keek touchdowns. :specnatz:

Mailman
11-24-2009, 03:25 PM
While I am far from a VY-fan, it's hard not to look at a team that was 0-6 change their QB and see them on a four game winning streak and not make the connection.

While it's not ALL VY, it's a bit silly to act like he has nothing to do with it.

Agreed. He's the quarterback so it's inarguable that he's played a role in their winning streak. Let's just not go overboard with the credit-giving.

Hooston Texan
11-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Here's how I see it:

Young played an excellent game, but that's not to say that we lost (or they won) because of Young. Vince Young did not force Kris Brown to miss two field goals. Vince Young didn't stonewall our running game. Vince Young wasn't the one staying home on our play-fakes, ruining our bread-and-butter play action game. Those things happened because (1) Brown has suddenly reverted to his 2002-2006 form; (2) our running game is killing this team and (3) see #2 on why we couldn't get them to bite on play action.

Hats off to Young. He revived his career faster than anyone imagined, but it wasn't magic emanating from his soul that beat us. What beat us is that the offense was one-dimensional to the point that our play-action game (which utterly barbecued the Titan defense in Nashville) was rendered inoperative by our complete inability to sustain a rushing attack. Because Young played very well, his team was able--barely--to take advantage and get the W.

Graft our 2008 rushing attack onto this 2009 team, and we are probably neck-and-neck with the Colts right now. We can still get to the postseason, but we now will have to at least beat Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in order to do it. If the cards fall the wrong way, we may have to beat them both.

Vinny
11-24-2009, 03:49 PM
Here's how I see it:

Young played an excellent game, but that's not to say that we lost (or they won) because of Young. Vince Young did not force Kris Brown to miss two field goals. Vince Young didn't stonewall our running game. Vince Young wasn't the one staying home on our play-fakes, ruining our bread-and-butter play action game. Those things happened because (1) Brown has suddenly reverted to his 2002-2006 form; (2) our running game is killing this team and (3) see #2 on why we couldn't get them to bite on play action.

Hats off to Young. He revived his career faster than anyone imagined, but it wasn't magic emanating from his soul that beat us. What beat us is that the offense was one-dimensional to the point that our play-action game (which utterly barbecued the Titan defense in Nashville) was rendered inoperative by our complete inability to sustain a rushing attack. Because Young played very well, his team was able--barely--to take advantage and get the W.

Graft our 2008 rushing attack onto this 2009 team, and we are probably neck-and-neck with the Colts right now. We can still get to the postseason, but we now will have to at least beat Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in order to do it. If the cards fall the wrong way, we may have to beat them both.
without Young converting all those 3rd downs we beat the crap out of them. This isn't really pointed at you but in general our fan base can rationalize it all we want but de Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. Vince Young was the difference maker last night.

TBC_Titan
11-24-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm not a fan of Jeff Fisher myself. I think he's always been mediocre and I'm not a fan of his style. I like playing clean football games.
He's stubborn. He's arrogant, and he seems to be oblivous to the fact that the NFL has evolved right by him.

The fact of the matter is that Bud Adams is not the one who's coaching Vince Young. Jeff Fisher is designing the plays. You'd never see a Collins/Johnson option on a regular basis now would ya?

No, Mike Heimerdinger designs and calls the plays, not Fisher.
Like I said, give anybody on the coaching staff credit but Fisher.

If you think Bud Adams has any clue whatsoever you are mistaken. If you're picking between him and Fisher, you should probably trust your coach more than your petulant owner. I have a sneaky suspicion Fisher knows what he's doing.
I don't think Bud has that much of a clue per se', BUT he is the one that writes the checks. Plus, what does that say when a 'clueless' owner forces a stubborn coach to play Vince when we were 0-6 with Collins...then we all of a sudden start winning? Bud doesn't look so clueless and Fisher doesn't look so intelligent then, do they?
I'll be happy to give you a list of the huge mistakes he's made with the roster this year if you would like but trust me, these mistakes are definitely reflective of Fisher NOT knowing what he's doing.
I mean honestly, did you not see your guy Andre torch Nick Harper multiple times last night? Starting Harper (who came off an injury and has a penchant for getting torched) over Rod Hood (who has had 3 INTs in as many games and has been playing lights out) just because of Fisher's stupid policy of 'no player will lose their spot due to injury'. Sorry, but to me, skill level trumps anything else.

This is what sums up Fisher for me:
http://www.running-blogs.com/easygait/inspire-incompetence.jpg

TBC_Titan
11-24-2009, 03:51 PM
without Young converting all those 3rd downs we beat the crap out of them. Rationalize it all you want but de Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.

Without Andre catching all those passes, we beat the crap out of you guys.
Oh these 'without' and 'what if' statements. LOL

SICLICK
11-24-2009, 03:55 PM
Eff Vince Young!

http://cache-foo-07.gawkerassets.com/gawker/assets/images/11/2009/11/500x_young.jpg


Titans still suck ...We just suck too.

Hookem Horns
11-24-2009, 04:04 PM
Matt Schaub passed for his 6th 300+ yd game this season, yet vince young is the touted qb.

a new low has been reached.

The only stat the means anything to me is the W's and L's. If a play isn't there on 3rd down Vince just walks to the 1st down marker virtually untouched. He did that over and over again in college and I thought he wouldn't be able to do the same in the NFL. Obviously I was wrong. He killed us last night doing that on several critical 3rd downs.

The guy last night looked like the guy I watched at Texas. When he was my QB I never really worried because I always knew he would pull something out. I was barely nervous on the last drive vs USC in the Rose Bowl because I knew if he had a chance he would convert and score.

Last night I had the same feeling however I was on the other side. I just knew he would get them the lead and if we went to OT and he got the ball it would be over for us. Thankfully Kris Miss spared us that fate.

GuerillaBlack
11-24-2009, 04:04 PM
I don't see Matt Schaub taking the game into his hands. Don't get me wrong! I love Matt Schaub and would take him over Vince Young anyday! Schaub does lack that ability to take the game into his hands. He needs to stop cupping his helmet trying so hard to listen to coaches on the radio and just play frickin' football. He gets extremely frustrated when he can't hear. Look at his face. Just look at it. He's a puppet. I'm actually getting a little embarrassed by it. He needs to buy a hearing aid or mask his frustration a little better.

There have been games where Matt has put it into his own hands, but I agree with the radio thing. That's the next step in his game. Calling his own plays and basically telling the coaching staff to sit back and watch.

Chance_C
11-24-2009, 04:05 PM
I don't see Matt Schaub taking the game into his hands. Don't get me wrong! I love Matt Schaub and would take him over Vince Young anyday! Schaub does lack that ability to take the game into his hands. He needs to stop cupping his helmet trying so hard to listen to coaches on the radio and just play frickin' football. He gets extremely frustrated when he can't hear. Look at his face. Just look at it. He's a puppet. I'm actually getting a little embarrassed by it. He needs to buy a hearing aid or mask his frustration a little better.

Matt put us in position to win/tie the Colts game and the Tacks game. He has his limitations but he moves us down the field most of the time.

Hats off to Vince Young. And yes, I believe he played a large part in the beating us last night. He killed us on third down, and that played as big of a part in the game than anything. And Chris Brown might be as dumb as a box of rocks, but dude is electric. He can jump 8 feet sideways! Just makes me despise them more. A great rivalry has been born IMO.

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 04:18 PM
There have been games where Matt has put it into his own hands, but I agree with the radio thing. That's the next step in his game. Calling his own plays and basically telling the coaching staff to sit back and watch.

Matt put us in position to win/tie the Colts game and the Tacks game. He has his limitations but he moves us down the field most of the time.

Hats off to Vince Young. And yes, I believe he played a large part in the beating us last night. He killed us on third down, and that played as big of a part in the game than anything. And Chris Brown might be as dumb as a box of rocks, but dude is electric. He can jump 8 feet sideways! Just makes me despise them more. A great rivalry has been born IMO.

When I say put the game into his own hands... I mean by taking the football downfield without wasting any time trying to hear what the coaches are telling him. Schaub absolutely has the talent to put the ball downfield and he's done it many times but he has too much coaching help doing that. He needs to do it by himself. His hurryup offense includes the coaches telling him what to do. When there's 47 seconds left... just do what you practiced. Either the Texans are not practicing hurry up offenses with set plays based on Schaub's read before the snap or the coaches just do not feel confident in Schaub's decision making abilities. It's so bad that it's costing us games.

Corrosion
11-24-2009, 04:23 PM
The problem with spying VY, is that you got to worry about Chris Johnson.
If you slip up AT ALL, CJ will take it to the house. VY makes CJ better,
and CJ makes VY better. Still, if that liquored up kicker makes those easy kicks
we win the game.


If he aint - he should be .... :shots:

Vinny
11-24-2009, 04:52 PM
Without Andre catching all those passes, we beat the crap out of you guys.
Oh these 'without' and 'what if' statements. LOL
I was actually paying you guys a compliment Mr. oversensitive Brainiac. You may not be smart enough to post here. How did you pass the entry exam?

TEXANRED
11-24-2009, 05:20 PM
Vince Young must be the luckiest man on earth then because all he's ever done is be on winning teams. He's pulling out wins from his ass. That being said... what Vince Young is to me is a gamechanger. He's not a great QB but he's certainly a gamechanger.

VY is maybe the worst QB of all time. VY makes Ryan Leaf look like Johnny U.

With that being said all VY does is make plays when they count. He keeps drives going. He puts his team in position to have Chris Johnson punch it in. That is the way that team is built.

Schaub is a great QB from 20 to 20, but when it counts we find ways not to score. He is a finesse passer with plenty of touch on the ball but lacks the arm strength needed to get the job done when the field gets smaller and more crowded.

If I had choice in QB's, Schaub or VY, I pick VY.

I guess I just want to feel like a winner.

Double Barrel
11-24-2009, 05:33 PM
I was actually paying you guys a compliment Mr. oversensitive Brainiac. You may not be smart enough to post here. How did you pass the entry exam?

What ever happened to our "Ban Stupid Trolls" policy? I think we need to revisit that legislation during the next forum congress session.

TBC Titan - you're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION. One more act of stupid and see ya'!

Texan_Bill
11-24-2009, 05:42 PM
What ever happened to our "Ban Stupid Trolls" policy? I think we need to revisit that legislation during the next forum congress session.

TBC Titan - you're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION. One more act of stupid and see ya'!

That was an act?

PS. Put TitanFan on double secret probation as well.

TBC_Titan
11-24-2009, 06:35 PM
I was actually paying you guys a compliment Mr. oversensitive Brainiac. You may not be smart enough to post here. How did you pass the entry exam?
And what kept you from assuming that I was doing the same thing right back? Was it the lack of 'LOL' at the end of my statement...oh wait. No. That was there. You do know that 'LOL' means 'laughing out loud' in a joking manner, don't you? You accuse me of not understanding the context of your post, yet you do the same thing to mine.

What ever happened to our "Ban Stupid Trolls" policy? I think we need to revisit that legislation during the next forum congress session.

TBC Titan - you're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION. One more act of stupid and see ya'!
Since I'm so stupid, then maybe some of you uber intelligent gents can explain to me why on earth you think I'm a troll? I'll try my best to understand.

thunderkyss
11-24-2009, 06:47 PM
If I had choice in QB's, Schaub or VY, I pick VY.

I guess I just want to feel like a winner.

I think we should make Kubiak take a page from the Jeff Fischer Book, & wear a VY jersey to the next press conference.

Norg
11-24-2009, 06:52 PM
Meh like i said before Vinces style of playing will not get him far

Thats why they racked up some losses when He was a starter

and i dont know what team beat them in the PS that one year i think the Redskins or seahawks but that game plan needs to be dusted off and looked at

i think it was the seahawks they simply Outscored VY

Norg
11-24-2009, 06:57 PM
nevermind that was the chargers

gg no re
11-24-2009, 07:49 PM
And Chris Brown might be as dumb as a box of rocks, but dude is electric. He can jump 8 feet sideways!

You must mean Chris Johnson, because the only Chris Brown I know moves like a box of rocks, or jumps 8 feet into the ground.

I also know this other Chris Brown... dude can run it, and can leave people breathing with no air, but he dances around too much and has some legal problems.

Goatcheese
11-25-2009, 01:15 AM
No he takes the team and win. Schaub has great stat #'s, u kno like # 3 QB in da league, but Vince might be 30th in the league, but he is in front of schuab all day when it comes to the stat that matters, WINS

VY isn't 30th in the league. He's 43rd out of a potential 32 starters.

Wins are not, never have been, and never will be a QB stat. It's what stupid schmucks like Dilfer say to make themselves think they actually earned that ring.

nunusguy
11-25-2009, 07:56 AM
The difference MNF was Chris Brown (the kicker), or their kicker if you're looking at it from the Tenneesse perspective.

worldlyman
11-25-2009, 08:42 AM
No he takes the team and win. Schaub has great stat #'s, u kno like # 3 QB in da league, but Vince might be 30th in the league, but he is in front of schuab all day when it comes to the stat that matters, WINS

FACT: Take away the best NFL RB Chris Johnson, the ONLY catalyst of the Titan offense...and what can Vince Young do REALISTICALLY when he's pressured to throw substantially? Not too much. So how did VY do in adversity as the starter last year? He pouted and disappeared.

An 0-6 Titans start, and there's no pressure on Vince Young. In fact, as soon as more recent game film becomes available, I bet things are going to get a bit tougher that the nice little run that just arose.

FACT: No running game, no TOP safety valve 3rd down conversion machine Owen Daniels...moreover missing another speedy weapon, Jacoby Jones...YET Matt Schaub still finds different receivers and STILL gets 300 yards. Sure, there's Andre but Matt still gets 3rd down conversions to different guys. Without Andre, I bet Matt still gets 300 yard games.

Were Owen Daniels on the team...the Texans would definitely have had more 3rd down conversions than the still respectable 47% they still garnered.

FACT: Schaub DID EXACTLY what Young did, that is move the team down the field for a tying field goal in the waning moments.

The difference in the game, bottom line: one field goal kicker missed more than the other. Period.

Rob Bironas literally won the game for Tennessee.