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rmartin65
11-19-2009, 04:43 PM
Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, 6'4" 223 lbs
I dont care about the shoulder problems. Brees had one too, before New Orleans. Bradford has the best arm (close with Clausen) and he is a proven winner. He will be a pro bowl, franchise QB.

Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen, 6'2" 223 lbs
Clausen is a close second, something that cant believe I just said. Before the season, I was not so high on him as a prospect. He has been phenomenal this season, and will make a team very happy. He is just a little short, but he has a great arm and his decision making is getting better.

Tier 1 1/2- Very Good Prospects

Washington QB Jake Locker, 6'3" 226 lbs
Locker has been the most improved of these QB's in the last year. He is making better decisions, despite what the INT numbers say. He should still stay a year, learn a bit more, but he wont. He has a good arm, not elite, but better mobility than the top 2 guys.

Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour, 6'3" 240 lbs
Underrated QB, excellent mobility and great accuracy. He has arm strength comparable to Colt McCoy, with an edge on mobility and accuracy. He would be perfect for the Texans offense, unfortunately it wont happen.

Texas QB Colt McCoy, 6'2" 212 lbs
McCoy is a very good college QB. I worry that he benefits from the system though. He has iffy arm strength, but pretty good accuracy and good mobility. 2nd round pick.

Florida QB Tim Tebow, 6'3" 245 lbs
Ah, Tebow. I dont think I need to say much, he has been the most talked about college athlete the last 3 years. His mechanics need work.

Tier 2- Good Prospects

Ole Miss QB Jevan Snead, 6'3" 215
Good arm, but questionably mental make-up. I see him as a 3rd round pick, he just seems to melt down too much. Think a poor man's Jay Cutler (from this season).

Houston QB Case Keenum, 6'2" 210 lbs
A system QB, but he has all the tools. Plus, he just seems like he is a leader. A mid round pick, might start in 2 years.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Cincy QB Tony Pike, 6'6" 226 lbs
I had him higher, but it looks like he is a product of the UC system. Tall, but injury prone, I am becoming less and less enamored with him as the season continues.

Florida State QB Christian Ponder, 6'3" 215 lbs
Mobile passer, started off hot but has cooled since. I dont like him before the 4th, but he will probably go in the 3rd because of his potential.

Blake
11-19-2009, 04:59 PM
I say we take one late round 1. You can never have too many good QB's. And this year is loaded.

rmartin65
11-19-2009, 05:20 PM
I say we take one late round 1. You can never have too many good QB's. And this year is loaded.

Wait, really? This was just because I was bored.

LonerATO
11-19-2009, 05:23 PM
I would move Bradford, Tebow and McCoy down and Add Mallet to the 1 1/2 tier. I like Pike also and I would move him up.

rmartin65
11-19-2009, 06:40 PM
I would move Bradford, Tebow and McCoy down and Add Mallet to the 1 1/2 tier. I like Pike also and I would move him up.

Damnit, I knew I forgot someone. Mallet, yea, he would be in the 1 1/2. I could see moving Tebow and McCoy down a notch, but I really think Bradford will be the next big QB in the NFL.

LonerATO
11-19-2009, 07:52 PM
Damnit, I knew I forgot someone. Mallet, yea, he would be in the 1 1/2. I could see moving Tebow and McCoy down a notch, but I really think Bradford will be the next big QB in the NFL.

He doesnt have a great arm, but he is damn accurate. I still think Clausen is the best overall

was385
11-20-2009, 01:00 AM
I don't even know that I'd include Tebow in this. I think anyone who expects him to be a starting QB in the NFL will be sorely disappointed. IMO his best fit is going to be as a gimmick guy in someone's wildcat package but even then, I don't know if he's strong enough or fast enough to be all that effective in the NFL.

He's a great college player but he's a guy that really feeds on incredibly easy throws to his wide open playmakers. The fact is that even with the best receiving corps, you're not going to get wide open looks like the playmakers around him create and we all know it's a hell of a lot harder for a QB to run against the speed and strength of NFL defenders.

Blake
11-20-2009, 08:33 AM
Wait, really? This was just because I was bored.

Lol. Actually as long as Matt is on the roster we will never draft a QB higher than round 6. It would just be nice to plan for the future, and have an insurance policy on Matt.

kastofsna
11-20-2009, 10:29 AM
in no way do i see Tebow being an NFL quarterback. move him to H-back, or RB, or TE, or something. his mechanics, accuracy, arm strength, complete inexperience in a traditional offense...basically nothing about him says "NFL quarterback." he's going to get the Vince Young treatment and people will assume because he's a "winner" at the college level, that it'll translate at all to the NFL. oh well.

painekiller
11-24-2009, 11:56 PM
Florida QB Tim Tebow, 6'3" 245 lbs
Ah, Tebow. I dont think I need to say much, he has been the most talked about college athlete the last 3 years. His mechanics need work.



After watching VY add to the offense by his 3 and short ability, I am beginning to wonder if Tebow, or Jake Locker of Washington could be used as real QBs in the NFL. Mike Heimerdinger showed how the WCO can be tailored to a QB who runs.

You have to ask the guy to manage the game and not turn over the ball, and Tebow has been able to do that throughout his career. His mechanics will need to be altered, he has a big windup and he drops the ball to his waste. But 245 lbs QBs don't grow on trees.

kastofsna
11-25-2009, 11:02 AM
But 245 lbs QBs don't grow on trees.

unfortunately a QB's weight may be the most irrelevant attribution to his abilities.

bah007
11-25-2009, 12:20 PM
unfortunately a QB's weight may be the most irrelevant attribution to his abilities.

Nuh uh. JaMarcus Russell is allsome.

kastofsna
11-25-2009, 01:07 PM
two of the best QB's in the league face off next Monday night. Drew Brees and Tom Brady. real physical specimens comin' out of college, those two!

although size is probably Tebow's biggest advantage, because if he were smaller, he'd have NO shot at being in the NFL. but thanks to his size, he may be able to switch to h-back, TE, linebacker, RB...whatever. at the most he can have some Pat White-type role in a creative offense like Miami's where they bring in a different QB once a drive or so and try to change things up.

SteveSlaton20
11-25-2009, 01:14 PM
I'd take Jake Locker and Colt McCoy over Jimmy Clausen any day.

painekiller
11-25-2009, 04:07 PM
unfortunately a QB's weight may be the most irrelevant attribution to his abilities.

I disagree, one of the advantages David Garrard has is his size/speed. He can run through arm tackles better than a lite QB can.

Tebow is that kind of runner but with a little more quickness.

bah007
11-25-2009, 07:23 PM
I disagree, one of the advantages David Garrard has is his size/speed. He can run through arm tackles better than a lite QB can.

Tebow is that kind of runner but with a little more quickness.

How often does Garrard run compared to how much he passes?

I'll take a guy like Brees or Brady who can't break tackles over a guy like Garrard or Culpepper.

bah007
11-25-2009, 07:24 PM
I'd take Jake Locker and Colt McCoy over Jimmy Clausen any day.

I would take Bradford over any of them.

beerlover
11-25-2009, 08:53 PM
I would take Bradford over any of them.

ditto

Texan4Ever
11-25-2009, 09:28 PM
I didn't see Tim Hiller, quarterback from Western Michigan, on your list so I decided to mention him. He's 6'5" 235-lbs and has a strong arm and compares to Matt Schaub in certain aspects. He dissappointed me yesterday when WMU played Ball State but overall he's had a decent career at WMU. He would be a good project QB for a team wanting to develop a QB for the future.

Number19
12-15-2009, 11:20 PM
I would suggest you watch the Las Vegas Bowl on Dec 22 to see the Oregon State QB Sean Canfield. 3,103 yds, 21 TD's, 6 INT's, 148 rating : 6'-4", 214 lbs, left handed passer known for never making the wrong decision in the red zone. Pocket passer who finds his open receiver and can hit him in stride. Smart player who occasionally will call his own plays - over riding the coach.

I saw him for the first time in the Oregon vs Oregon State game a few weeks ago and was really impressed. A senior, he'll probably rise from his mid-round ranking if he impresses during the post season games. Keep an eye on him, if he's still available in the 4th round.

kastofsna
12-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Locker is coming back btw

theanswer000
12-16-2009, 01:06 AM
These are the guys I would give a chance either drafting or UDFA.

1.Christian Ponder
2.Daryll Clark
3.Sean Canfield

I could see any of these guys fitting in our system.

ArlingtonTexan
12-19-2009, 12:12 PM
Locker is coming back btw

For those of you who admire the dedication and/or question the sanity of Washington quarterback Jake Locker for deciding not to enter the NFL draft in what could be the last year of the big-money windfalls at the top of the pecking order, the decision to stay in school isn't as honorable and/or stupid as previously believed.

As pointed out in the Associated Press article regarding Locker's decision not to forgo his final season of college eligibility, Locker had submitted his name for consideration to the NFL Collegiate Advisory Committee, which estimates where a player might be drafted.

Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick, a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee.

The source concedes that Locker might have still be drafted in round one given the value of the position, but the source insists that McShay was flat wrong in his assessment of Locker.

"That's the problem," the source opined. "McShay is clueless. Up until three weeks before the 2008 draft, he said that [Kentucky's] Andre Woodson would be a first-round pick. He went in the sixth and is out of the league."

And the source explained that these opinions come not from the same-old rant by NFL scouts that guys like McShay and Mel Kiper have the luxury of popping off with no accountability as long as it all sounds good (the same-old rant has a significant amount of accuracy, by the way), but from concerns that guys like McShay do kids a disservice by pumping up their expectations.

"The problem I have with people like McShay saying stupid things is parents and others who 'advise' these kids think McShay knows what he is talking about," the source said. "And they believe him before they believe the Advisory Committee. Then, when the kids go a lot lower than projected they are pissed and/or depressed. . . . This stuff happens every year and we have to deal with the broken hearts because people who don't know what they are talking about put visions of grandeur into young players' heads."

This item isn't intended to be a shot at McShay. But if the Advisory Committee didn't give a first-round grade to the guy that McShay had at the top of his board, then something is wrong with this picture. And we're inclined to think the defect doesn't come from the Committee made up of folks who scout players for a living -- and whose ongoing careers depend not on their ability to talk smoothly about their views, but on whether enough of the players whom they believe to be good players become good players.


per profootballtalk.com

Texan4Ever
12-19-2009, 12:16 PM
I don't consider Jake Locker first round material and I am glad he went back to school. Now, he has a chance to win the Pac-10 for Washington and hone his skills before making the jump to the NFL.

LonerATO
12-19-2009, 12:19 PM
For those of you who admire the dedication and/or question the sanity of Washington quarterback Jake Locker for deciding not to enter the NFL draft in what could be the last year of the big-money windfalls at the top of the pecking order, the decision to stay in school isn't as honorable and/or stupid as previously believed.

As pointed out in the Associated Press article regarding Locker's decision not to forgo his final season of college eligibility, Locker had submitted his name for consideration to the NFL Collegiate Advisory Committee, which estimates where a player might be drafted.

Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick, a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee.

The source concedes that Locker might have still be drafted in round one given the value of the position, but the source insists that McShay was flat wrong in his assessment of Locker.

"That's the problem," the source opined. "McShay is clueless. Up until three weeks before the 2008 draft, he said that [Kentucky's] Andre Woodson would be a first-round pick. He went in the sixth and is out of the league."

And the source explained that these opinions come not from the same-old rant by NFL scouts that guys like McShay and Mel Kiper have the luxury of popping off with no accountability as long as it all sounds good (the same-old rant has a significant amount of accuracy, by the way), but from concerns that guys like McShay do kids a disservice by pumping up their expectations.

"The problem I have with people like McShay saying stupid things is parents and others who 'advise' these kids think McShay knows what he is talking about," the source said. "And they believe him before they believe the Advisory Committee. Then, when the kids go a lot lower than projected they are pissed and/or depressed. . . . This stuff happens every year and we have to deal with the broken hearts because people who don't know what they are talking about put visions of grandeur into young players' heads."

This item isn't intended to be a shot at McShay. But if the Advisory Committee didn't give a first-round grade to the guy that McShay had at the top of his board, then something is wrong with this picture. And we're inclined to think the defect doesn't come from the Committee made up of folks who scout players for a living -- and whose ongoing careers depend not on their ability to talk smoothly about their views, but on whether enough of the players whom they believe to be good players become good players.


per profootballtalk.com

The kid has been looked at as a project from the beginning of the year and many people had him in the first due to his intangibles. I dont even listen to McShay and never looks at ESPN's website.

bah007
12-19-2009, 01:03 PM
McShay knows nothing guys. I already told you this.

Locker seems like a great kid with plenty of potential. But even a dummy like McShay should be able to see that Clausen and Bradford were going to be selected higher. They have all the same tools and they have actually accomplished something in college.

Goldensilence
12-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Damnit, I knew I forgot someone. Mallet, yea, he would be in the 1 1/2. I could see moving Tebow and McCoy down a notch, but I really think Bradford will be the next big QB in the NFL.

Psht why include Mallet? The Jags will draft him in the first and immediately switch him to WR.