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2-DUNTA-3
02-23-2005, 05:00 PM
just watching the accenture match play on ESPN...Tiger is doing well by the way, and mick is struggling....and on the bottom line they had breaking news that moss is going to be traded to oakland. they said following the match it would be on sportcenter.

Moss and Porter....might be great if they had a QB who could get it too them.

erickwsmom
02-23-2005, 05:02 PM
WOW!!! I would have never expected him in Oakland.

ThaShark316
02-23-2005, 05:02 PM
from ESPNEWS.

WOW!


For Napeleon Harris and the 7th pick I believe...

Blu
02-23-2005, 05:04 PM
someone to throw the Damn ball! :thumbdown
Now all they need is Rickey Williams and we can nick name them the Blunt Brothers. lol

texasguy346
02-23-2005, 05:09 PM
It's a story from the St. Paul Pioneer Press, and if they have Curry, Moss, Porter then they'll have a pretty prolific offense behind that OLine. Collins has a good arm, and he'll have plenty of targets to throw too. They just need a running game. Apparently the Vikes will get LB Napolean Harris, the 7th Overall pick, and a late pick in the 2005 draft.

St. Paul Pioneer Press (http://www.philly.com/mld/twincities/sports/10972946.htm?1c)

LikeABoss
02-23-2005, 05:13 PM
Damn, Al Davis worked his magic on this one. Joey Porter and Randy Moss, but I wonder if Daunte is gonna struggle now since he is losing his best WR now :hmmm:

Grid
02-23-2005, 05:16 PM
This could make it difficult for us to get Lamont Jordan if we want him.. though Travis Henry may be just the kind of RB they like in Oakland.

(i say it will make it difficult cause they have traded their 1st away and if they want a good RB to start next season, they are probably gonna get one from FA)

Lucky
02-23-2005, 05:22 PM
...but I wonder if Daunte is gonna struggle now since he is losing his best WR now :hmmm:
I'm sure the Vikes are targeting a WR with the pick. Who? I don't know. But out of Edwards, Williams, & Williamson...someone will be available @ # 7.

Great trade for the Raiders. They're the only organization where Moss' influence won't be a negative. With Collins ability to throw the deep pass and Porter doing the heavy lifting over the middle, Moss is in position to have a monster season. For the short term, the AFC got a little better & the NFC got a little worse.

keyfro
02-23-2005, 05:23 PM
randy moss was traded to oakland for neopoleon harris the 7th overall pick and a late round pick all in this years draft...my guess is with the 7th overall pick the vikes will draft edwards or mike williams

Ihategeeks
02-23-2005, 05:27 PM
Vikes fans are rabid .....
As a lions fan I should be happy about this.

But to see an entire fan base screwed over by a bad owner makes me mad

I am sure you Oiler fans can empathize with the vikes Fans.

TheOgre
02-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Vikes fans are rabid .....
As a lions fan I should be happy about this.

But to see an entire fan base screwed over by a bad owner makes me mad

I am sure you Oiler fans can empathize with the vikes Fans.

I know the new owner, Fowler, wanted to keep Moss. It seems strange this is going down.

nunusguy
02-23-2005, 05:29 PM
They're the only organization where Moss' influence won't be a negative.
Yup. This is the one team Moss goes to where they might be a bad influence
upon him instead of vise versa. But for sure, life just got tougher for KC, SD, & Denver. But Moss is something special, one of the greatest deep threats ever as far as receivers go.

texasguy346
02-23-2005, 05:30 PM
They're in between owners right now. The new owner said he wouldn't trade Moss, but looks like he wasn't able to do anything about it.

keyfro
02-23-2005, 05:36 PM
just announced...randy moss has been traded to the raiders for neopoleon harris, the 7th overall pick, and a late round pick in this years draft...IMO the vikes will be drafting either edwards or mike williams with the 7th overall

Blake
02-23-2005, 05:54 PM
They're in between owners right now. The new owner said he wouldn't trade Moss, but looks like he wasn't able to do anything about it.

Sounds to me like the new owner didnt want the vikings fans hating him, so he had Red trade him before he sold the team. Now he can say he wanted to keep Moss, and still get his wish of trading him. It just doesnt make sense to me. :hmmm:

I wouldnt be surprised to see them use the 7th pick on something other than WR, since they have a 2nd first round pick, and could get Williamson.

They could get one of the big 3 RB's with #7.

texasguy346
02-23-2005, 06:03 PM
I'm not sure they'd pick up a RB. There are rumors that Dennis Green is interested in acquiring Bennett from the Vikings since they have Williams/Moore/Smith. Their leading WR with Moss now gone is Nate Burleson, and I'm thinking they might lean towards defense with one of their 1st round picks. If I had to guess who they'd pick I'm betting they've got their eye on DJ to improve their LB corp. It is by far the weakest link on that defense. They've got Harris now, Claiborne, Thomas, and Henderson. Their LBs were torched by the Eagles, and I'm sure it hasn't gone unnoticed. Ever since Beikert retired they've been trying to replace him.

Blake
02-23-2005, 06:05 PM
Bah, for some reason I was still thinking the Raiders were picking 7th. So im going to have to agree, that it should be a WR, or Defense.

If they could get one of the big 2, its a no brainer, but there will be alot of stud defensive players on the board.

AndroidRaider24
02-23-2005, 06:08 PM
welcome to oakland baby :D

Blake
02-23-2005, 06:11 PM
welcome to oakland baby :D

Congrats, I think it was an awesome trade for the Raiders.

That would be like the Texans drafting Randy Moss in the first round, and giving up a late round pick, and Jay Foreman.

texasguy346
02-23-2005, 06:12 PM
welcome to oakland baby :D

Any idea where this will leave Sapp? I heard rumors that he might be cut. Even though Moss is likely to restructure his contract with the Raiders I'm wondering if Davis might let Sapp go to free up some more room.

AndroidRaider24
02-23-2005, 06:57 PM
Any idea where this will leave Sapp? I heard rumors that he might be cut. Even though Moss is likely to restructure his contract with the Raiders I'm wondering if Davis might let Sapp go to free up some more room.
If we Cut Sapp it will hurt us more than keeping him.. im guessing he will be forced to restructure..

TexansCanes
02-23-2005, 07:20 PM
just watching the accenture match play on ESPN...Tiger is doing well by the way, and mick is struggling....

wasn't that last years, they cancelled play for today.

MarleyFan
02-23-2005, 07:26 PM
Any idea where this will leave Sapp? I heard rumors that he might be cut. Even though Moss is likely to restructure his contract with the Raiders I'm wondering if Davis might let Sapp go to free up some more room.

Sapp's contract is guarenteed, so there in no way he going anywhere.

MarleyFan
02-23-2005, 07:30 PM
I like that we got Moss, but I also liked all the moves we made last year, so I am going to keep my expectations in check this time. I think we need a pass rusher more then a RB for the next move "The Godfather" makes.

Wolf
02-23-2005, 07:43 PM
Good move for the raiders.
Vikes.. well they get a LB and a 1st rounder.. Looking at their Depth Chart.. I am thinking they are targeting either a LB or WR.. and will be suprised if they use a 1st round pick on defensive line given the last 2 years have been Williams and udeze....

Porky
02-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Congrats, I think it was an awesome trade for the Raiders.

That would be like the Texans drafting Randy Moss in the first round, and giving up a late round pick, and Jay Foreman.


Comparing Jay Foreman to Napolean Harris is like comparing kissing your Grandmother vs. kissing Halle Berry. The both have lips, but the comparison ends there. :hmmm:

Great trade for the Raiders imo. Oakland is probably best suited for a personality like Moss. I think Minn needs to come up aces with the #7 to make this an equitable trade, but it's possible, and there may also be a bit of "addition by subtraction" as well. As good as Moss was on the field, he was a major distraction off of it.

Wolf
02-23-2005, 09:07 PM
I stand corrected... maybe the vikes aren't targeting a LB in the draft(unless they shift to 3-4

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1998272

The curious part about the acquisition is that the Vikings already have two Harris-type linebackers in E.J. Henderson and Dontarrious Thomas. They are young, big, mobile and aggressive. But the problem with youth is mistakes, and that's why Harris isn't a good fit.

On paper, the Vikings have one of the most athletic linebacking corps in the league with the addition of Harris. But Harris is more of middle linebacker and the Vikings already have Henderson manning that spot. Unless the Vikings are shifting to a 3-4 themselves, Harris' acquisition may put Henderson on the bench and that doesn't really help the defense.

and from the same article
The Vikings are entering a new era, the Culpepper era. Expect them to use the No. 7 overall pick they'll get from the Raiders to draft a big wide receiver such as Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams. The Vikings have enough shorter, lighter receivers with speed, so a big receiver would be a nice fit. Although after tipping their hand by trading Moss, they might have to move up to make sure they get one of those two receivers.

DoCt3rJ
02-23-2005, 11:35 PM
I honestly think Vikings got the better end of the deal. Their gonna get Edwards or Williams in the draft. They got the MLB settled now, bye bye EJ. They also have their first round pick, and another later round pick, and no more big huge ego/media freak Moss. Your telling me, you had the best receiver in the league, with a really good QB, for how long, and you coulden't even make it to the superbowl. Good riddens to Moss, and poor Oakland...

WWJD
02-24-2005, 12:17 AM
I think Oakland just got instantly better. And Moss will fit right in there. They're infamous for "character" players.

Blake
02-24-2005, 12:29 AM
Comparing Jay Foreman to Napolean Harris is like comparing kissing your Grandmother vs. kissing Halle Berry. The both have lips, but the comparison ends there. :hmmm:

Napolean is no Ray Lewis my friend. He is no superstar. He was a starter on a bad '04 raiders team. They are not as far apart as you might suggest.

Fiddy
02-24-2005, 12:30 AM
I dont think the Vikes are going WR in the draft. I see them taking Rolle, Pac-Man or Davis. They moved the ball when Moss was out with his hamstring injury. They need some defense.

DAW14
02-24-2005, 03:09 AM
minnesota did a great job of moving the ball offensively WITHOUT Randy's help. they need to pick up some big help on the defensive side.

Ihategeeks
02-24-2005, 06:06 AM
minnesota did a great job of moving the ball offensively WITHOUT Randy's help. they need to pick up some big help on the defensive side.

If you look at the facts
They lost more games, and Culpepper threw 50% less TD's

And guess what, Red McCombs is still the owner.
And will be the owner when FA starts.

He will not spend money in FA.

OH and better still, the Vikes took a 9 million dollar cap hit and got bupkis for it.

How anyone can delude themself into thinking good can come of this, it's beyond me.

I feel bad for the Vikes fans, they are being held hostage by a madman.

V Man
02-24-2005, 09:46 AM
I heard Chris Webber was real upset, Moss was coming to Cali. And Chris would finally have someone to roll and smoke blunts with. But he gets sent off to Philly.

Seemed Yesterday was a big moving day for both the NFL and the NBA.

texasguy346
02-24-2005, 10:01 AM
I dont think the Vikes are going WR in the draft. I see them taking Rolle, Pac-Man or Davis. They moved the ball when Moss was out with his hamstring injury. They need some defense.

I think they may go WR with their 2nd 1st Round pick, but I agree that they're targeting defense with their #7 pick. I think they're hoping DJ falls to them with a few offensive guys likely going early, but if he's not there they might take a CB or S or try and trade down to get more picks. Someone else mentioned they may try and take Williamson with their 2nd 1st Round pick, and I tend to agree. Another option is they may want to take a Miller as a TE if Williamson is gone, but I think they'd like to get him in the 20th to 25th pick range. Either way I hope they don't goof up their #7 pick like they did a couple of years ago when they attempted to complete a trade down but couldn't get it done in time. They ended up picking Williams at #9 instead of #7 so they still got "their guy", but didn't get anything for moving down two spots. Hire a clock watcher Tice.

rittenhouserobz
02-24-2005, 10:29 AM
Did they pay the guy less because of he was picked at #9 instead of #7? Because when that happened, that was my first thought.

TheOgre
02-24-2005, 10:44 AM
Good move for the raiders.
Vikes.. well they get a LB and a 1st rounder.. Looking at their Depth Chart.. I am thinking they are targeting either a LB or WR.. and will be suprised if they use a 1st round pick on defensive line given the last 2 years have been Williams and udeze....

Hovan's production fell off over the past couple of years and I hear he is gone. They need another DT next to Kevin Williams. I think they take a WR (whoever is left out of Braylon Edwards and Mike Williams after Chicago drafts one) with their 1st pick and a LB or DT with their second 1st rounder.

texasguy346
02-24-2005, 11:13 AM
Did they pay the guy less because of he was picked at #9 instead of #7? Because when that happened, that was my first thought.

Too be honest with you I'm not sure. There's no doubt that Williams and his agent probably wanted #7 money, and the Vikes were probably trying to give him #9 money. However, since it was the Vikes mistake I'm thinking they might have paid him closer to #7 money.

Blake
02-24-2005, 11:43 AM
Too be honest with you I'm not sure. There's no doubt that Williams and his agent probably wanted #7 money, and the Vikes were probably trying to give him #9 money. However, since it was the Vikes mistake I'm thinking they might have paid him closer to #7 money.

I think its BS. Williams was drafted at #9, not #7. So why should you get #7 money? Its just like Rivers wanting #1 money, because he was traded to the team in the #1 spot.

Philip, you were drafted AFTER 3 players, so why should you get more than them? Same goes with Williams.

infantrycak
02-24-2005, 12:15 PM
I think its BS. Williams was drafted at #9, not #7. So why should you get #7 money? Its just like Rivers wanting #1 money, because he was traded to the team in the #1 spot.

Philip, you were drafted AFTER 3 players, so why should you get more than them? Same goes with Williams.

Seems like completely different situations IMO. Rivers was not drafted with the #1 pick--he was traded along with additional compensation for the guy drafted with the #1 pick. By definition, the trade valued him at less than the #1 because it included him plus other compensation. Williams on the other hand was drafted with the #7 pick. He was supposedly the guy they would have taken during their time on the clock but for the botched trade. Don't see how when the #7 pick got exercised should affect him.

Blake
02-24-2005, 01:00 PM
Seems like completely different situations IMO. Rivers was not drafted with the #1 pick--he was traded along with additional compensation for the guy drafted with the #1 pick. By definition, the trade valued him at less than the #1 because it included him plus other compensation. Williams on the other hand was drafted with the #7 pick. He was supposedly the guy they would have taken during their time on the clock but for the botched trade. Don't see how when the #7 pick got exercised should affect him.

Your information is false. He was selected with the 9th pick. When you use up all your draft time, and a team goes ahead of you, you lose that pick. So 2 teams went ahead of them, which pushed their pick back to #9. The #7, and #8 team passed on Kevin Williams, so why should get get #7, and #8 money?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2003

" 9 - Minnesota - Kevin Williams - DT - Oklahoma State"

http://www.vikings.com/player_detail_objectname_kevin_williams.html

"Selected with the 9th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft...Vikings' highest draft choice on defense since Chris Doleman."

infantrycak
02-24-2005, 01:51 PM
Your information is false. He was selected with the 9th pick.

Ummm, no. He was the 9th player selected but he was selected with the Vikings' original draft pick which was the 7th draft pick. Imagine the little numbered tags they have for people waiting in line--the Vikings had #7. They may have sat on their rears and let other folks go to the counter with higher numbers but when they got up to the counter they still turned in #7.

Blake
02-24-2005, 02:01 PM
Ummm, no. He was the 9th player selected but he was selected with the Vikings' original draft pick which was the 7th draft pick. Imagine the little numbered tags they have for people waiting in line--the Vikings had #7. They may have sat on their rears and let other folks go to the counter with higher numbers but when they got up to the counter they still turned in #7.

That is ridiculous. He was selected 9th overall. He was the 9th pick. That makes sense right? The Vikings didnt hold the 7th pick after Jax, and Carolina went up to the podium.

He was not selected 7th overall with the 7th pick. That makes sense right?

With your logic, Carolina could pay #8 pick, Jordan Gross, 9th pick money because they had the 9th pick. Get it?

texasguy346
02-24-2005, 02:10 PM
I don't see what all the confusion is about over a technicality. The Vikings had the 7th pick in the draft, but failed to get their pick in on time. The subsequently took Kevin Williams, the 9th player selected in the draft, whom they said the'd was their man anyway. Is it really surprising that a team is trying to sign a player to the cheapest possible deal whereas the player and his agent are trying to get the most possible money they can? This isn't a new thing in the NFL.

infantrycak
02-24-2005, 02:31 PM
That is ridiculous. He was selected 9th overall. He was the 9th pick. That makes sense right? The Vikings didnt hold the 7th pick after Jax, and Carolina went up to the podium.

He was not selected 7th overall with the 7th pick. That makes sense right?

With your logic, Carolina could pay #8 pick, Jordan Gross, 9th pick money because they had the 9th pick. Get it?

Wow, talk about getting worked up over something trivial. Lighten up Francis.

Blake
02-24-2005, 02:49 PM
Wow, talk about getting worked up over something trivial. Lighten up Francis.


Wow, talk about finally getting the picture. I can understand if you dont want to say your argument was dumb. Dont debate me anymore if thats how you are going to end the argument.

AndroidRaider24
02-24-2005, 03:32 PM
I heard Chris Webber was real upset, Moss was coming to Cali. And Chris would finally have someone to roll and smoke blunts with. But he gets sent off to Philly.

Seemed Yesterday was a big moving day for both the NFL and the NBA.
Lmao what a day for me being a Raiders fan and Kings fan... went from high heaven to hell in like 2 minutes :D

infantrycak
02-24-2005, 03:52 PM
Wow, talk about finally getting the picture. I can understand if you dont want to say your argument was dumb. Dont debate me anymore if thats how you are going to end the argument.

Don't confuse a refusal to beat my head against a rock with agreement.

Ihategeeks
02-24-2005, 04:46 PM
For the group of people who think Randy Moss was traded because he has an attitude problem

The player they traded for Harris, also has an attitude problem

Chew on that.

WWJD
02-24-2005, 05:52 PM
For the group of people who think Randy Moss was traded because he has an attitude problem

The player they traded for Harris, also has an attitude problem

Chew on that.


The only problem I have with Moss is that he, by his own admission, takes plays off if he feels like it. He needs to grow up that's all. He's got all the talent in the world but he's got a 10 cent brain.

wiley2002
02-24-2005, 07:36 PM
I like Randy Moss for his athletic ability but not his mentality. Running over cops sounds so juvinial.

MarleyFan
02-24-2005, 08:25 PM
Lmao what a day for me being a Raiders fan and Kings fan... went from high heaven to hell in like 2 minutes :D

At least we agree on the Raiders, I hate the Kings and the Lakers! Go Warriors!

Ihategeeks
02-25-2005, 06:39 AM
I like Randy Moss for his athletic ability but not his mentality. Running over cops sounds so juvinial.

Never convicted of that.

Are people still guilty until proven innocent by biased media?

TheOgre
02-25-2005, 09:45 AM
I like Randy Moss for his athletic ability but not his mentality. Running over cops sounds so juvinial.

There is a difference between "running over cops" and having a cop sit on your hood as you drive a few miles per hour. He tried to avoid the ticket but the cop was stupid to jump on his hood too.

wiley2002
02-25-2005, 10:05 AM
Throw me a bone here for just flipping through channels that day and catching only that part. Another thing, if the cop was stupid enough to throw himself in front of a moving vehicle, especially with Moss behind the wheel, he must be insane.

texasguy346
02-25-2005, 10:26 AM
Throw me a bone here for just flipping through channels that day and catching only that part. Another thing, if the cop was stupid enough to throw himself in front of a moving vehicle, especially with Moss behind the wheel, he must be insane.

I was thinking it was a female officer (actually I thought it was a meter maid), but maybe I'm mistaken.

wiley2002
02-25-2005, 10:37 AM
He or she... it doesn't matter. Who would want to throw themselves in front of a moving vehicle in the first place?

TheOgre
02-25-2005, 10:52 AM
It was a she. That was actually a typo. It was a meter maid, but aren't they cops?

wiley2002
02-25-2005, 11:12 AM
All is forgiven. Heck they've already got me for not having my facts straight when all I was doing was being sarcastic, and they got me again for not getting the gender correct.

texasguy346
02-25-2005, 02:05 PM
It was a she. That was actually a typo. It was a meter maid, but aren't they cops?

Yes meter maids are cops, but I was just trying to make sure I wasn't remembering the incident incorrectly since a lot of people were referring to her as a him.

Jon Moxon
02-25-2005, 02:24 PM
Just my opinion, but in the long run...i think this trade favors the Vikes more-so than the raiders.

The Vikes get a decent LB to help a horrid defense and 2 draft picks in return.
Who knows what they will do with the 7th selection in the draft, but my guess is that they will take Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards.

They will also recieve the raiders 6th round selection as well. Not to mention they get rid of a man who has been a major headache for them for a long time.