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Runner
11-19-2009, 06:43 AM
I think that the Texans need to get Slaton back into the primary running back role. He has had two issues this year:

1) Lack of runs breaking into the open
2) Fumbling

I think the Texans coaches addressed the first problem when they started using screens and short passes to get the ball to Slaton in space. His production had picked up by the time he was benched for the second problem.

The fumbling issue can be addressed two ways. First, the coaches have to find/develop techniques that work for Slaton and make him capable of holding onto the ball. Slaton then has to work very hard to develop those techniques and make them part of his natural running style. The extended bye week layoff was the perfect opportunity to do this for both the coaches and player.

Furthermore, the Texans are being carried by their passing offense and their defense right now. To gain team consistency, they need something closer to the running game they had last year with Slaton. The person best suited to bringing that level of running back play is, not surprisingly, Slaton. When faced with something other than the worst defense in the league, Moats had 2.4 yards per carry and a fumble at the goal line - these numbers compare to those of the "bad" Slaton. Any slight advantage Moats might have had in running the ball is more than made up for by Slaton's superior blocking and pass catching. The other running backs on the roster don't compare to "good" Slaton either.

Finally, Slaton can't begin to give the team the running game they need from the bench. The coaches know this, and I think they've done what they can to address the fumbling. I think Slaton has done his part. Which brings me to my prediction:

Slaton starts the next game, and is on the field for at least 2/3 of the offensive plays. The back-ups and role players will share the other 1/3. I think this happens Monday night against the Titans; at the latest it will happen next week against the Colts.

BigBull17
11-19-2009, 07:05 AM
One of Slatons main problems besides the fumbles is dancing in the hole. He isn't making one cut, he's trying to hit homeruns every play. What made him great last year was that he would lower his head and take a 2-3 yard gain. He isn't doing that this year.

TheRealJoker
11-19-2009, 09:15 AM
One thing is for sure, the coaching staff needs to make some major addition at RB and interior OL over the offseason. Somebody needs to be able to drain the clock while we have a lead late in the game and somebody needs to be able to push the pile when we need a yard.

We're gonna be playing close games all season if we cant blow the opponent out in the 1st 3 quarters because we cant run the ball effectively.

Given the defenses turnaround, I never thought I would say this but our top 2 needs are on offense now :(

We're great between the 20s or early in the game when we dont try to run out the clock. But when we get into situations where we need to run it down the opponents throat we fail miserably.

GP
11-19-2009, 10:13 AM
So...here's my current thoughts:

I think we're really close to becoming a consistently dominant team.

1. The QB situation is not bad, and it's not astounding, but it is getting better with each season. Lack of Owen Daniels is not helping Schaub and the o-line's pass blocking because I feel that OD took a lot of pressure off both the o-line and Schaub.

2. The WRs are good. AJ is great. Jacoby is making long plays when he's in there. Walter and Anderson are generally catching anything thrown their way.

3. The defense is not bad, and it's not astounding, but it is getting better with every game played this season. That squad is totally different with Bush at the controls AND with an extra LB named Cushing to work alongside DeMeco and Diles.

That leaves the RB position.

4. We need somebody to lock this position down. IMO, this is the one area that is pulling us down right now.

Which brings up another issue...

5. Our center. I personally feel that the guards and tackles are good on most plays, and excellent on the plays when the center (whoever it is) is not getting blown up. Unfortunately, it seems the center is getting attacked by the defense on crucial plays such as a big 3rd down play, plays near the goal line, etc.

I like what we've got going on with the vast majority of the team, but the RB and the C are my two positions that I think MUST improve in a big, big way if we're going to close out this season with 6 or 7 more wins.

Steve Slaton needs to show up and drill the Titans for huge gains and TDs. We need him to play like he did in the last half of the season last year. I want that Titans defense quitting like the Jags did when we played the Jags in Reliant last year.

badboy
11-19-2009, 11:45 AM
I think that the Texans need to get Slaton back into the primary running back role. He has had two issues this year:

1) Lack of runs breaking into the open
2) Fumbling

I think the Texans coaches addressed the first problem when they started using screens and short passes to get the ball to Slaton in space. His production had picked up by the time he was benched for the second problem.

The fumbling issue can be addressed two ways. First, the coaches have to find/develop techniques that work for Slaton and make him capable of holding onto the ball. Slaton then has to work very hard to develop those techniques and make them part of his natural running style. The extended bye week layoff was the perfect opportunity to do this for both the coaches and player.

Furthermore, the Texans are being carried by their passing offense and their defense right now. To gain team consistency, they need something closer to the running game they had last year with Slaton. The person best suited to bringing that level of running back play is, not surprisingly, Slaton. When faced with something other than the worst defense in the league, Moats had 2.4 yards per carry and a fumble at the goal line - these numbers compare to those of the "bad" Slaton. Any slight advantage Moats might have had in running the ball is more than made up for by Slaton's superior blocking and pass catching. The other running backs on the roster don't compare to "good" Slaton either.

Finally, Slaton can't begin to give the team the running game they need from the bench. The coaches know this, and I think they've done what they can to address the fumbling. I think Slaton has done his part. Which brings me to my prediction:

Slaton starts the next game, and is on the field for at least 2/3 of the offensive plays. The back-ups and role players will share the other 1/3. I think this happens Monday night against the Titans; at the latest it will happen next week against the Colts.I agree with a lot you say but doubt you have anything to support your statement that you think Steve has done his part to correct fumbling. There is just no way to know that. He has to use two hands and he did not do that in college much and probably less in high school. He is a 20 something who has ran one way for years and is now being asked to change. JJ has seemingly corrected his problem but like one of the posters on this thread mentioned, it is not about a home run every trip to plate. I also would start Slaton Monday. Did anyone notice that there were some NFl RB fumbling during our bye? Does not make me feel better that it is not just us but ohters have this disease.

GuerillaBlack
11-19-2009, 11:52 AM
I agree with a lot you say but doubt you have anything to support your statement that you think Steve has done his part to correct fumbling. There is just no way to know that. He has to use two hands and he did not do that in college much and probably less in high school. He is a 20 something who has ran one way for years and is now being asked to change. JJ has seemingly corrected his problem but like one of the posters on this thread mentioned, it is not about a home run every trip to plate. I also would start Slaton Monday. Did anyone notice that there were some NFl RB fumbling during our bye? Does not make me feel better that it is not just us but ohters have this disease.

You can change a running style. Just ask Tiki Barber. He was a fumbling machine in New York until that was fixed.

TexCanada
11-19-2009, 11:57 AM
You can change a running style. Just ask Tiki Barber. He was a fumbling machine in New York until that was fixed.

Slaton's fumbling problem and his "home-run swing at every pitch" are the same problem for the most part. If he starts protecting the ball by putting 2 hands on it and putting his head down, we will see improvements in both areas. He has had a few weeks to think about this, and I'm sure our coaches are helping him realize it. I think Slaton will soon be fine. Another solid back could only help our cause though, and I would love to see Foster get some touches or else address this issue through the draft.

Runner
11-19-2009, 12:19 PM
I agree with a lot you say but doubt you have anything to support your statement that you think Steve has done his part to correct fumbling. There is just no way to know that. He has to use two hands and he did not do that in college much and probably less in high school. He is a 20 something who has ran one way for years and is now being asked to change. JJ has seemingly corrected his problem but like one of the posters on this thread mentioned, it is not about a home run every trip to plate. I also would start Slaton Monday. Did anyone notice that there were some NFl RB fumbling during our bye? Does not make me feel better that it is not just us but ohters have this disease.

You are correct. I have nothing to post to "prove" what I said that I think Slaton has done in the thread. Then again, I really don't need to because I didn't present it as a statement of fact. I specifically used the term "I think" about five times in the post. I used it immediately before what I think the coaches and Slaton have done to indicate that it was an opinion. I did that on purpose because I'm not one to post theories as facts.

I think that the coaches and Slaton did the things they did because they are reasonably competent at their jobs and want to improve. Nothing Slaton has done makes me think he wouldn't do what it takes to correct the fumbling problem and win back his starting job.

Likewise, I prefaced my prediction as a prediction. I'm don't claim to have a crystal ball with perfect knowledge of the future

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So, back to the thread. What do others think about:

A) the odds of Slaton approaching the standard he set last year
B) the success of the Texans running attack if Slaton can't step back up

TexCanada
11-19-2009, 12:26 PM
You are correct. I have nothing to post to "prove" what I said that I think Slaton has done in the thread. Then again, I really don't need to because I didn't present it as a statement of fact. I specifically used the term "I think" about five times in the post. I used it immediately before what I think the coaches and Slaton have done to indicate that it was an opinion. I did that on purpose because I'm not one to post theories as facts.

I think that the coaches and Slaton did the things they did because they are reasonably competent at their jobs and want to improve. Nothing Slaton has done makes me think he wouldn't do what it takes to correct the fumbling problem and win back his starting job.

Likewise, I prefaced my prediction as a prediction. I'm don't claim to have a crystal ball with perfect knowledge of the future

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So, back to the thread. What do others think about:

A) the odds of Slaton approaching the standard he set last year
B) the success of the Texans running attack if Slaton can't step back up


A) I think the odds are high, but it will take time as his confidence is likely a little low right now.
B) Our running attack will be dismal without him.

Runner
11-19-2009, 12:53 PM
You are correct. I have nothing to post to "prove" what I said that I think Slaton has done in the thread. Then again, I really don't need to because I didn't present it as a statement of fact. I specifically used the term "I think" about five times in the post. I used it immediately before what I think the coaches and Slaton have done to indicate that it was an opinion. I did that on purpose because I'm not one to post theories as facts.

I think that the coaches and Slaton did the things they did because they are reasonably competent at their jobs and want to improve. Nothing Slaton has done makes me think he wouldn't do what it takes to correct the fumbling problem and win back his starting job.

Likewise, I prefaced my prediction as a prediction. I'm don't claim to have a crystal ball with perfect knowledge of the future

============

So, back to the thread. What do others think about:

A) the odds of Slaton approaching the standard he set last year
B) the success of the Texans running attack if Slaton can't step back up


A) I think the odds are high, but it will take time as his confidence is likely a little low right now.
B) Our running attack will be dismal without him.

A) hopefully a little short term success will jump start his confidence if it is low. He just needs to get on the field to have a shot at that success.
B) that's what I think. I don't think it improves much unless Slaton does.

nunusguy
11-19-2009, 01:07 PM
This is not a good time to start experimenting with Steve Slaton since our year is now approaching the gun-lap in this long season and there's a definite scenario(s) for our first playoff birth which doesn't include untimely turnovers.

TexCanada
11-19-2009, 01:11 PM
This is not a good time to start experimenting with Steve Slaton since our year is now approaching the gun-lap in this long season and there's a definite scenario(s) for our first playoff birth which doesn't include untimely turnovers.

So what is your suggested solution? Put Moats in again?..well he fumbled last game as well. Brown? he has been useless. Obviously if we had somebody carrying the ball with any success then Slaton wouldn't be getting thrown right back in there. But as it stands right now, Slaton is the only guy who has shown us that he at least has the potential to play well.

badboy
11-19-2009, 01:18 PM
You can change a running style. Just ask Tiki Barber. He was a fumbling machine in New York until that was fixed.
Oh, I agree and did not mean to indicate it can't be fixed. Just said nothing indicates it has with Slaton.

stevn8r
11-19-2009, 02:21 PM
With the first few fumbles, Slaton was benched for a few plays and came back in as a beast (for this years standards) I just pray that the not starting will have fired him up for the rest of the year (especially for fantasy reasons!) I still believe that SS gives us the greatest chance for success

Kaiser Toro
11-19-2009, 04:01 PM
You are correct. I have nothing to post to "prove" what I said that I think Slaton has done in the thread. Then again, I really don't need to because I didn't present it as a statement of fact. I specifically used the term "I think" about five times in the post. I used it immediately before what I think the coaches and Slaton have done to indicate that it was an opinion. I did that on purpose because I'm not one to post theories as facts.

I think that the coaches and Slaton did the things they did because they are reasonably competent at their jobs and want to improve. Nothing Slaton has done makes me think he wouldn't do what it takes to correct the fumbling problem and win back his starting job.

Likewise, I prefaced my prediction as a prediction. I'm don't claim to have a crystal ball with perfect knowledge of the future

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So, back to the thread. What do others think about:

A) the odds of Slaton approaching the standard he set last year
B) the success of the Texans running attack if Slaton can't step back up

Good read until that bomb shell. I always assumed you had one. :devilpig:

Runner
11-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Good read until that bomb shell. I always assumed you had one. :devilpig:

If I do I don't know how to use it. I don't see one though.

Runner
11-19-2009, 04:58 PM
This is not a good time to start experimenting with Steve Slaton since our year is now approaching the gun-lap in this long season and there's a definite scenario(s) for our first playoff birth which doesn't include untimely turnovers.

I consider Moats nothing better than Slaton (as he started this season) with a lower upside. In my opinion we've seen his best against Buffalo and his normal against Indy. Low yards per carry and a fumble against a decent defense; he's just as much an experiment as Slaton.

Brown doesn't offer much.

Recent practice squad transfers would be an even bigger experiment.

That is why I think the best chance the Texans have is to work Slaton back up to speed. It's the best option for improving the running game for the rest of the season. Shuffling him in and out with ineffective back-ups does nothing but make it harder for him to get back in the groove.

badboy
11-20-2009, 01:30 PM
You are correct. I have nothing to post to "prove" what I said that I think Slaton has done in the thread. Then again, I really don't need to because I didn't present it as a statement of fact. I specifically used the term "I think" about five times in the post. I used it immediately before what I think the coaches and Slaton have done to indicate that it was an opinion. I did that on purpose because I'm not one to post theories as facts.

I think that the coaches and Slaton did the things they did because they are reasonably competent at their jobs and want to improve. Nothing Slaton has done makes me think he wouldn't do what it takes to correct the fumbling problem and win back his starting job.

Likewise, I prefaced my prediction as a prediction. I'm don't claim to have a crystal ball with perfect knowledge of the future

============

So, back to the thread. What do others think about:

A) the odds of Slaton approaching the standard he set last year
B) the success of the Texans running attack if Slaton can't step back upI was hoping your thinking was based on something you had seen or heard reported as most folks develop thoughts based on something. As in "I think that Slaton has not had his fumbling problem corrected in 9 games so far and while the coaches surely tried everything they could think (uh oh there is that word again)of, maybe they thought of something new to try before game 10."

Your post was sort of like I think the Texans will win the Super Bowl. It is a feel good statement. Nothing wrong with that. I was hoping you actually had something to go on. Just my opinion that a "theory" can be posted without it being a fact.

Livid13
11-20-2009, 01:58 PM
I was hoping your thinking was based on something you had seen or heard reported as most folks develop thoughts based on something. As in "I think that Slaton has not had his fumbling problem corrected in 9 games so far and while the coaches surely tried everything they could think (uh oh there is that word again)of, maybe they thought of something new to try before game 10."

Your post was sort of like I think the Texans will win the Super Bowl. It is a feel good statement. Nothing wrong with that. I was hoping you actually had something to go on. Just my opinion that a "theory" can be posted without it being a fact.

WOW, I thought I could bring the heat on occasion ! That post was acidic to the point of perfection. Sarcasm is routinely used on all MB's, but yours was perfect. Just the right amount of venom, without being over the top. I'm actually laughing as I type this.....GREAT POST!

Runner
11-20-2009, 02:34 PM
You are correct. I have nothing to post to "prove" what I said that I think Slaton has done in the thread. Then again, I really don't need to because I didn't present it as a statement of fact. I specifically used the term "I think" about five times in the post. I used it immediately before what I think the coaches and Slaton have done to indicate that it was an opinion. I did that on purpose because I'm not one to post theories as facts.

I think that the coaches and Slaton did the things they did because they are reasonably competent at their jobs and want to improve. Nothing Slaton has done makes me think he wouldn't do what it takes to correct the fumbling problem and win back his starting job.

Likewise, I prefaced my prediction as a prediction. I'm don't claim to have a crystal ball with perfect knowledge of the future

============

So, back to the thread. What do others think about:

A) the odds of Slaton approaching the standard he set last year
B) the success of the Texans running attack if Slaton can't step back upI was hoping your thinking was based on something you had seen or heard reported as most folks develop thoughts based on something. As in "I think that Slaton has not had his fumbling problem corrected in 9 games so far and while the coaches surely tried everything they could think (uh oh there is that word again)of, maybe they thought of something new to try before game 10."

Your post was sort of like I think the Texans will win the Super Bowl. It is a feel good statement. Nothing wrong with that. I was hoping you actually had something to go on. Just my opinion that a "theory" can be posted without it being a fact.

My thinking was based on what I believe a competent coaching staff and a dedicated player would do. Add that to the opportunity the bye week presented and I came to a conclusion - Slaton taking heavy rb duties back. I then posted it to get other opinions on the rb situation.

It is true that I didn't base this on anything I read in a John McClain article, nor on reading the offense's body language in a still picture. I didn't even pick it up from the well-informed fans on this board!

If that makes it a feel good statement in your mind, fine.

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Hey Sunshine Club! Am I one of you now? :)

barrett
11-21-2009, 01:18 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6732850.html

Ryan82
11-21-2009, 01:23 PM
SH!T:gun:

DexmanC
11-21-2009, 01:32 PM
He's still our best chance to get our running game on track. I hope he's shown
improvement in practice.

Mailman
11-21-2009, 01:35 PM
This is welcome news. I expect big things out of him Monday night.

False Start
11-21-2009, 01:36 PM
Hopefully this time "off" will help him get his mind right, and know that starting isn't a given. Last time he was on MNF, he did pretty damn good, I would love to see a repeat performance. :texflag:

thunderkyss
11-21-2009, 01:36 PM
He's still our best chance to get our running game on track. I hope he's shown
improvement in practice.

If Moats goes the whole game on the sideline, I'll be quite upset.

Not that I think Moats should start or anything like that, but the kid has skills, and speed. You can't teach speed.

& he's shown more than Brown has in the limited carries either have gotten.




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:kitten:

m5kwatts
11-21-2009, 01:38 PM
Im surprised by this

I'm guessing the carries will break down something like this...

Slaton 15-18 (of course hes yanked if he fumbles once)

Moats 5-7

Foster 2-3

Runner
11-21-2009, 01:58 PM
And Slaton gets the start...

Dunta's Shoes
11-21-2009, 01:59 PM
Hold on to that ball Petey!

infantrycak
11-21-2009, 02:12 PM
And Slaton gets the start...

Good. Time to see if he can get back in a groove.

Runner
11-21-2009, 02:33 PM
And Slaton gets the start...

Good. Time to see if he can get back in a groove.

If he does the Texans become a very solid and well rounded team.

CloakNNNdagger
11-21-2009, 02:44 PM
If he does the Texans become a very solid and well rounded team.

Not to jinx the "hope" on the board concerning Slaton returning to starting status, but what do you do if Slaton drops the ball again? Looking at his previous well-established pattern, this is far from an unreasonable question. Nor should it be a non predetermined seat of the pants on the fly decision by Kubiak....

Runner
11-21-2009, 02:59 PM
If he does the Texans become a very solid and well rounded team.

Not to jinx the "hope" on the board concerning Slaton returning to starting status, but what do you do if Slaton drops the ball again? Looking at his previous well-established pattern, this is far from an unreasonable question. Nor should it be a non predetermined seat of the pants on the fly decision by Kubiak....

Then you take the appropriate action - more sharing of the duties or whatever. Slaton is the best rb on the team if the fumbling problem gets fixed. For the Texans to be their best, he has to get back to the runner he has proven he can be, and he has to be that runner on the field.

I read all the posts how Moats made the right cuts, hit the right holes, and hit them hard. That netted him 2.4 yards per carry doing everything right against a pretty average run defense against Indy. I don't think he is a better solution over getting Slaton back to speed. Slaton also has the edge in receiving and blitz pick-up.

I just don't see the point in giving up on Slaton after 1.5 seasons after what he showed he can do last year.

eriadoc
11-21-2009, 03:02 PM
Not to jinx the "hope" on the board concerning Slaton returning to starting status, but what do you do if Slaton drops the ball again? Looking at his previous well-established pattern, this is far from an unreasonable question. Nor should it be a non predetermined seat of the pants on the fly decision by Kubiak....

IMO, if he drops it like he did his last fumble, on no contact, then he goes back to the bench. If it's a situation where he is fighting for extra yards and not protecting the ball from a strip, then he gets reamed on the sidelines and sits down for a series or two. If it's just a good hit by the defense, I think you have to keep him in there and give him the ball.

Norg
11-21-2009, 03:07 PM
I think we need both slaton and moats to both do good we need a good one 2 punch

infantrycak
11-21-2009, 03:31 PM
IMO, if he drops it like he did his last fumble, on no contact, then he goes back to the bench. If it's a situation where he is fighting for extra yards and not protecting the ball from a strip, then he gets reamed on the sidelines and sits down for a series or two. If it's just a good hit by the defense, I think you have to keep him in there and give him the ball.

What he said. Not everything is black and white. Circumstances matter. A lucky helmet on the ball shouldn't change your game plan.

Mr. White
11-21-2009, 03:35 PM
I don't agree with this call. Moats hasn't done anything to lose the job.

Reeks of favoritism to me.

infantrycak
11-21-2009, 03:40 PM
I don't agree with this call. Moats hasn't done anything to lose the job.

Reeks of favoritism to me.

BS. This is like kids. One misbehaved and got timed out. Now he's back in the game. You don't permanently stick your kid in the corner. Moats never earned the job in the first place. He was just the guy next in line when the kid misbehaved. He did a good job, but that is what he was supposed to do.

Mr. White
11-21-2009, 03:50 PM
BS. This is like kids. One misbehaved and got timed out. Now he's back in the game. You don't permanently stick your kid in the corner. Moats never earned the job in the first place. He was just the guy next in line when the kid misbehaved. He did a good job, but that is what he was supposed to do.

LOL at the "kids" analogy. I bet that's exactly how Kubes would explain it..."That kid battled back this week at practice....."

I hope they have this fumbling problem squared away. Slaton has a bullseye on him. I hope he has it figured out now, because defenses sure have him figured out. He might have a better upside, but that's meaningless when he keeps shooting us in the foot.

Having said that, I'm hoping for the best.

thunderkyss
11-21-2009, 05:05 PM
I think we need both slaton and moats to both do good we need a good one 2 punch

True.... I don't understand why this has to be an either or deal.

They can both play.

I'm not sold on SS being a workhorse, & I see no reason to "see" if he can be. Keep his carries in the 15/game range, but we need to be in the upper 20s for rush attempts.

& I'd rather see Moats get those other carries instead of Chris Brown.

New_Texans
11-21-2009, 05:50 PM
I don't agree with this call. Moats hasn't done anything to lose the job.

Reeks of favoritism to me.

fumble on the one and not at least have the head to say "Hey I think i may have fumbled on that one, lets just run a play." Or something.

DexmanC
11-21-2009, 06:02 PM
What happened last year when Jacoby kept dropping the ball? Kubiak
challenged him for his job, practiced other players for his spot on the field,
but ultimately stayed with him until he work off his yips. It worked for
Jacoby, so why not Steve?

m5kwatts
11-21-2009, 06:10 PM
I don't agree with this call. Moats hasn't done anything to lose the job.

Reeks of favoritism to me.

The only thing Kubiak "favors" is not getting fired after the season

No way he makes this decision unless he truly believes it puts us in the best position to win

CloakNNNdagger
11-21-2009, 07:11 PM
Then you take the appropriate action - more sharing of the duties or whatever. Slaton is the best rb on the team if the fumbling problem gets fixed. For the Texans to be their best, he has to get back to the runner he has proven he can be, and he has to be that runner on the field.

I read all the posts how Moats made the right cuts, hit the right holes, and hit them hard. That netted him 2.4 yards per carry doing everything right against a pretty average run defense against Indy. I don't think he is a better solution over getting Slaton back to speed. Slaton also has the edge in receiving and blitz pick-up.

I just don't see the point in giving up on Slaton after 1.5 seasons after what he showed he can do last year.


I agree you don't give up on him. But let's remember, he has shown us something ONE year out of one. Indeed, he can have one bad year. But, if it continues, it still begs the question if we saw the real Steve Slaton last year or he is what he really is this year. This is enough reason to at least proceed with caution, lest optimism damages an otherwise promising season.

Runner
11-21-2009, 08:26 PM
I agree you don't give up on him. But let's remember, he has shown us something ONE year out of one. Indeed, he can have one bad year. But, if it continues, it still begs the question if we saw the real Steve Slaton last year or he is what he really is this year. This is enough reason to at least proceed with caution, lest optimism damages an otherwise promising season.

Yes, there are no guarantees. I'm not sure how my opinion that Slaton is the best answer the Texans have at running back is so optimistic though. Counting on Ryan Moats and his not quite 700 yards rushing in his three and a half seasons in the NFL to be the answer seems to be even more of a leap. Counting on a guy that has been newly promoted from the practice squad to be a big contributor is the option based most on hope, if not desperation.

I don't think the fact that Slaton has had NFL success should count against him. I think it is a positive factor in a logical thought process; his past success is more than just good wishes.

thunderkyss
11-21-2009, 08:56 PM
I just don't see the point in giving up on Slaton after 1.5 seasons after what he showed he can do last year.

Who said anything about giving up on Slaton? Just because he isn't the starting RB in a RBBC?

We're just trying to protect his fragile psyche.....

infantrycak
11-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Who said anything about giving up on Slaton? Just because he isn't the starting RB in a RBBC?

RBBC is a myth in Denver. They ran 1 RB into the ground whenever they could. Only when one was injured or ineffective did they significantly split carries. Mike & Gary follow the hot hand. But for a couple teams such as Carolina and Miami (pre-Brown going down) truth is RBBC is a myth league wide.

Runner
11-23-2009, 11:20 PM
Midway through the third quarter:

Brown - 8 carries/22 yards
Slaton - 3 carries/21 yards

I thought after Kubiak might end the Brown experiment then, but he didn't. However, when the game was on the line in the last minute and scoring points was important, Slaton was in there. Too bad that same urgency to score wasn't displayed at other times in the game.

This is not a good time to start experimenting with Steve Slaton since our year is now approaching the gun-lap in this long season and there's a definite scenario(s) for our first playoff birth which doesn't include untimely turnovers.

I think it is time to stop experimenting with Moats and Brown and start playing the Texans best running back. I said that before the game and think there is now more evidence to support the statement.

I agree you don't give up on him. But let's remember, he has shown us something ONE year out of one. Indeed, he can have one bad year. But, if it continues, it still begs the question if we saw the real Steve Slaton last year or he is what he really is this year. This is enough reason to at least proceed with caution, lest optimism damages an otherwise promising season.

In a similar vein, I think it is time to stop being optimistic that the Texans are blessed with highly capable back-up running backs. They need to play the best one they have, and that's Slaton. Again, I said this before the game too so this isn't hindsight.

gtexan02
11-23-2009, 11:23 PM
Why in the hell was Brown in there so much? He was very ineffective. Slaton was getting good runs and protecting the ball. Why was he on the sidelines or lined up as a WR every single play?

GuerillaBlack
11-23-2009, 11:25 PM
Yeah, Kubiak is stupid for that. I have no idea why Brown was in there so much. Slaton should have been in there more often. Even throw in some Moats. Slaton was getting it done.

Runner
11-24-2009, 07:44 AM
I thought I'd bump this as a spot for more serious running back discussions. There are other threads for running back diatribes.

Any takers?

gtexan02
11-24-2009, 08:14 AM
I thought I'd bump this as a spot for more serious running back discussions. There are other threads for running back diatribes.

Any takers?

Heres a serious question:

What did Brown do to deserve so much attention last night?
If you are going to go "running back by committee" doesn't that mean you go with who is succeeding? Why didn't we do that?
Slaton is not very good at running deep routes. Why did we constantly line him up to run deep routes?
The Titans rarely blitzed. Why would we call a bubble screen to a RB lined up as a WR when everyone in the stadium knew thats what we were going to call

Mr. White
11-24-2009, 08:22 AM
I don't agree with this call. Moats hasn't done anything to lose the job.

Reeks of favoritism to me.

Glad this thread got bumped so I can bump my comment from Saturday.

How Moats didn't get into this game is beyond me.

He's the only guy that's proven he can find the holes between the tackles.

scourge
11-24-2009, 08:37 AM
My thought is why have Slaton start just to give him 3 carries... that was pathetic and if I were Slaton I'd take it as an insult.

Runner
11-24-2009, 08:46 AM
Heres a serious question:

What did Brown do to deserve so much attention last night?


I don't know what Brown did to garner so many touches. I can think of three reasons, all of which are probably wrong. :)

1) He looked great in practice.
2) Kubiak thought this would be a "tough" game and put in his "tough" runner.
3) Kubiak's is so steadfast in putting players in the doghouse for fumbling, he can't see that a player that can gains yards and fumbles some might be better for the team than one that does neither. (this assume the statute of limitations has run out on Brown's own costly goal line fumble).

I don't agree with this call. Moats hasn't done anything to lose the job.

Reeks of favoritism to me.

Glad this thread got bumped so I can bump my comment from Saturday.

How Moats didn't get into this game is beyond me.

He's the only guy that's proven he can find the holes between the tackles.

I disagree with Moats' being an effective runner all of the sudden. He did very well against the worst run defense in the league, but backed it up with a 2.4 yards per carry game with his own goal line fumble. If that's the best he can do while "hitting all the right holes", I don't think he has done enough to keep the starting job. Furthermore, I don't know that he "lost" it since he never really "earned" it; he was just next in line when Slaton had his problems.

Some posters I respect are higher on Moats than me; I'm certainly open to the idea that he gets some meaningful carries in games, but I still think Slaton should be the feature back.

NitroGSXR
11-24-2009, 09:03 AM
I don't know what Brown did to garner so many touches. I can think of three reasons, all of which are probably wrong. :)

1) He looked great in practice.
2) Kubiak thought this would be a "tough" game and put in his "tough" runner.
3) Kubiak's is so steadfast in putting players in the doghouse for fumbling, he can't see that a player that can gains yards and fumbles some might be better for the team than one that does neither. (this assume the statute of limitations has run out on Brown's own costly goal line fumble).

I disagree with Moats' being an effective runner all of the sudden. He did very well against the worst run defense in the league, but backed it up with a 2.4 yards per carry game with his own goal line fumble. If that's the best he can do while "hitting all the right holes", I don't think he has done enough to keep the starting job. Furthermore, I don't know that he "lost" it since he never really "earned" it; he was just next in line when Slaton had his problems.

Some posters I respect are higher on Moats than me; I'm certainly open to the idea that he gets some meaningful carries in games, but I still think Slaton should be the feature back.

I'd like to maybe add one more reason as to why it was Chris Brown who got the start.

Kubiak trying to pull an 'element of surprise' by starting a RB who nobody expected to be starting. Chris Brown did play for Tennessee and is familiar with the Jeff Fisher system.

I guess Kubiak's starting to get a little cute with his coaching antics and I for one am not real pleased with it. I saw Arian Foster go out there on special teams. Why not at least hand him the rock a time or two? We didn't fumble the ball at all so I guess Kubiak's happy. When a team's second leading rusher (who isn't even a rusher but a QB) has more than double the yards than your leading rusher... you've got serious issues. Gary Kubiak has abandoned the run. I don't really blame him much.

HOU-TEX
11-24-2009, 09:15 AM
My issue concerning RB's last night is we suited 4, but only 2 saw the field on offense. I'm not sure what Slaton did to justify Brown getting the bulk of the carries, but he he did piss somebody off it was obvious Brown wasn't getting it done.

So, with Brown sucking and Slaton out for who knows what. Why not give Moats or Foster a shot? Could they have done ant worse? I don't think so.

Runner
11-24-2009, 10:02 AM
On another note, Slaton's ball security looked better to my admittedly untrained eye.

Mr. White
11-24-2009, 10:11 AM
On another note, Slaton's ball security looked better to my admittedly untrained eye.

I totally agree. My issue is all the Chris Brown runs between the tackles. I can't understand why Moats couldn't get at least some of those carries.

Moats is the only guy that can find those holes. I know you aren't too high on him because of his performance at Indy, but I'll give him a pass on that fumble. It looked to me like he thought he was out of bounds.

silvrhand
11-24-2009, 10:20 AM
I thought I'd bump this as a spot for more serious running back discussions. There are other threads for running back diatribes.

Any takers?

Slaton is our most talented back, but this year he's just not showing in. He's not making the one cut moves, even if there isn't a lot of room you have to make a decision and get north/south quickly. The fumbling problem is a real issue, and has been a fumbling issue for him a long time now.

And then the drop on 3rd down when the pass hits him right in the hands, you got to make that play and give us the first down.. I have no idea why Chris Brown started, there is no way any of us could have predicted that.

Where the hell was Moats, was he hurt did anyone see him on the sideline?

Pollardized
11-24-2009, 10:27 AM
It all comes back to the head coach's decisions. As I said in my Bill Cowher post, I like Kubes. But there are just too many questionable play calls to ignore it anymore. And I'm not talking questionable as in Bill Belichick going for it on 4th and 2 questionable. Which is something Kubiak would never do. Which is why we have a hard time puting away teams and finishing games. The head coach has to make the right decision based on what his team can and can't do. Our running back and play/personnel calling are prime examples. Why give Brown the ball over and over when he isn't doing much. Why not give Foster a try? Why not run Slaton on sweeps more often? We don't have the OL to run effectively between tackles right now (especially Chris Brown). Hell I'd rather see our FB run between the tackles then Brown. Give Casey the ball when he's lines up as FB if you want to "surprise" someone. Let Leach carry it in there. They couldn't do any worse. The problem is our coaching staff is not adjusting our offense to fit the personnel. Slaton is a fast back, he needs the ball with running room. Our OL is not giving the lanes in the middle. Change the play calling to fit the personnel, like the titans did to fit VY.