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Wolf
11-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Let's turn the measuring stick upside down in comparisons regarding Matthew Stafford.

Stop charting the progress of the Lions' rookie quarterback against the best -- namely Peyton Manning, drafted first overall by the Colts in 1998.

What about the other end of the stick -- the worst?

How does Stafford rate against the thunderous quarterback flops who were drafted first overall since Manning entered the NFL. What are the odds that Stafford will join their class as another failed No. 1 pick?

Let's open the envelope and take the suspense out of that one right now.

Stafford has shown everything it takes to be a franchise quarterback -- big arm, competiveness, field vision and toughness.

Stafford is the Lions' quarterback of the present and future. No doubt -- barring an injury.

However, there is no certainty with quarterbacks. Tim Couch, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell and Stafford were taken first overall in the last 12 drafts.

Couch, Carr, Smith and Russell are certified flops.



http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009911160398

Koolaid Time
11-16-2009, 07:53 PM
I wouldn't write Alex Smith off yet. Give him until the end of the year before you rank him with Carr.

RTP2110
11-16-2009, 09:40 PM
The guy was drafted to the worst team in the history of the NFL and won a game. Hell, he should win OROY just for that.

rmartin65
11-17-2009, 06:57 AM
I cant take that article seriously. They have Vick rated as one of "the good ones".

kastofsna
11-17-2009, 07:12 AM
comparitively speaking, Vick wasn't that bad

bah007
11-17-2009, 09:43 AM
I cant take that article seriously. They have Vick rated as one of "the good ones".

As far as playing QB goes, Vick was never really that good.

But he could do so many things with the ball in his hands that as an overall player, I don't think there is any way you could call him a bust.

gtexan02
11-17-2009, 09:49 AM
This article sounds like a desperate detroit fan trying to remain positive. Poor guys :( we've all been there

Marcus
11-17-2009, 12:26 PM
I'll admit that I gave David Carr too much rope, but Good God man, the Detroit Lions are coming off an 0-16 season, and there's already talk that he's a flop?

Unbelievable.

kastofsna
11-17-2009, 01:36 PM
I'll admit that I gave David Carr too much rope, but Good God man, the Detroit Lions are coming off an 0-16 season, and there's already talk that he's a flop?

Unbelievable.

that's not the intent of the article at all, in fact, quite the opposite.
Stafford has shown everything it takes to be a franchise quarterback -- big arm, competiveness, field vision and toughness.

Stafford is the Lions' quarterback of the present and future. No doubt -- barring an injury.

kastofsna
11-25-2009, 08:45 PM
Stafford owns.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/detroit-lions/09000d5d8147c551/Sound-FX-Matthew-Stafford-mic-d-up

NitroGSXR
11-25-2009, 09:04 PM
Matt Stafford's a baller. Gutsy player. I liked what I saw against the Browns. Hope his shoulder's ok.

GuerillaBlack
11-25-2009, 11:09 PM
Stafford owns.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/detroit-lions/09000d5d8147c551/Sound-FX-Matthew-Stafford-mic-d-up

Word. Stafford is that dude. HOPEFULLY this helps the Lions as the years go on.

"get the **** off me"

love it. Detroit has a good core going with Stafford, Johnson, and K. Smith on offense. I hope the Lions succeed.

Goatcheese
11-26-2009, 12:31 AM
Word. Stafford is that dude. HOPEFULLY this helps the Lions as the years go on.

"get the **** off me"

love it. Detroit has a good core going with Stafford, Johnson, and K. Smith on offense. I hope the Lions succeed.

No fans should have to put up with that level of ineptitude forever.

Go Lions!

mexican_texan
11-26-2009, 01:05 AM
I'm a fan of the guy. It's rare to see someone put themselves on the line like he does after such a big payday. It's night and day between him and JaMarcus Russell.

Kulluminatii
11-26-2009, 01:26 AM
It's night and day between him and JaMarcus Russell.

RACISM!

:sarcasm:

Big Lou
11-27-2009, 11:02 PM
Man watching Stafford getting hit, and then hit again and again it sure reminded me of "He who will will not mention." It was like watching a Texans game with a flux capacitor hooked to my TV.

mexican_texan
11-27-2009, 11:16 PM
Except Stafford threw in between the numbers. And he threw the ball before getting hit. And he moved around the pocket to avoid pressure. And he...I'll stop.

m5kwatts
11-28-2009, 12:17 PM
Stafford is the real friggin deal. Let this kid have his typical poor rookie season for a QB and next year he'll take off. The Lions have a pretty good foundation considering Delmas is a possible pro bowler and until Pettigrew had season ending surgery he was having himself a season. Throw in Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims and they have something to build on. They had a draft similar to the Texans 06 draft, some big hits that'll carry them for years.

GuerillaBlack
11-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Stafford is the real friggin deal. Let this kid have his typical poor rookie season for a QB and next year he'll take off. The Lions have a pretty good foundation considering Delmas is a possible pro bowler and until Pettigrew had season ending surgery he was having himself a season. Throw in Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims and they have something to build on. They had a draft similar to the Texans 06 draft, some big hits that'll carry them for years.

Don't forget Kevin Smith!

Texan4Ever
11-28-2009, 01:45 PM
I won't doubt Matthew Stafford's ability to play and his toughness but his rookie season is horrible compared to what Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco did (but then again its the Lions afterall). I'm going to judge him closely next season and see if he makes significant improvements before I start calling him a bust.

As for the Lions, they have a few building blocks but nothing impressive. They NEED to build there defense fast but they also have to get a legit OT to block for Stafford and to open up running lanes for there talented RB Kevin Smith.


Stafford > Sanchez

ColtsHabs
11-29-2009, 12:01 AM
I won't doubt Matthew Stafford's ability to play and his toughness but his rookie season is horrible compared to what Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco did (but then again its the Lions afterall). I'm going to judge him closely next season and see if he makes significant improvements before I start calling him a bust.

As for the Lions, they have a few building blocks but nothing impressive. They NEED to build there defense fast but they also have to get a legit OT to block for Stafford and to open up running lanes for there talented RB Kevin Smith.


Stafford > Sanchez

You honestly can not compare Stafford's rookie year to Flacco's or Ryan's. Neither Atlanta nor Baltimore was 0-16 teams the year before and had more than a decent team for those two to operate. I personally think if you put Stafford to one of those teams, he performs just as well if not better.

Second Honeymoon
11-29-2009, 12:21 AM
Lots of picks. Throws into double and triple coverage too much.

Great arm. Surprising athleticism and mobility. Very competitive. Intelligent. Showed some toughness and leadership. Texas high school football product.

He seems like a guy that could take a step forward if he can eliminate the stupid throws in the years to come. Success as a Lion is going to be tough to come by. However, he could help himself by providing Detroit with something they have lacked since Bobby Layne. A quality QB. Think about all the bad QBs they have had. It's pretty pathetic. Stafford looks like a cant miss prospect compared to some of the Detroit alternatives the last few decades. They are still players away but they have some pieces to the puzzle and Schwartz looks to be a pretty good motivator and has the players believing in what they are doing.

eriadoc
11-29-2009, 12:28 AM
The longer the Lions go without a decent QB, the less harsh I am on Andre Ware. Detroit seems to be way more at fault over the years than the QBs. I'm not sure how that is, but you don't go through 20-30 different bad QBs without doing something wrong. Maybe they're using Chicago's model of QB coaching or something.

Corrosion
11-29-2009, 03:09 AM
I watched the last drive engineered by Stafford against Cleveland on NFLN with aidio from Stafford who was obvioulsy mic'd for the game - I was impressed with how cool he seemed to be and how he directed the team thru the situation. Him getting up off the turf to come back in after that brutal hit in a meaningless game showed his toughness and competitive nature.

"They called a time out ? - I can go back in. Let me the <insert expletive> up. I can throw the ball. I can throw the ball ...."


That was a pretty special moment ..... Even if it is the Lions and they are 2-9.


Its not really realistic to compare his situation with the Lions to those of Flacco and Ryan's .... those teams are light years better than the Lionsand Football is the ultimate team sport.