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Wolf
11-15-2009, 08:44 PM
colts force a punt

challenge on waynes catch

Wolf
11-15-2009, 08:47 PM
TD colts

90 yards in 8 plays

False Start
11-15-2009, 08:48 PM
I hope the Pats kick their a$$! Great drive by the Colts there.

Wolf
11-15-2009, 08:56 PM
long pass to moss

pats down to 6 yard line

Wolf
11-15-2009, 08:57 PM
Pats answered 7-7

Showtime100
11-15-2009, 09:14 PM
Pretty savvy of Brady to get a play off before anyone threw a red flag. I wonder if the Texans ever thought of such a thing? :thinking:

JDizzle
11-15-2009, 09:26 PM
Brady and Moss are putting on a show.

Wolf
11-15-2009, 09:40 PM
24-7 now Pats

kastofsna
11-15-2009, 09:41 PM
Brady is ridiculous

in case people didn't already know

Ryan
11-15-2009, 09:48 PM
Now that Wayne caught that td, i just won my FF game for this week. So now i'm all Pats.

TexCanada
11-15-2009, 11:18 PM
This game has basically become a must win after seeing the results of a lot of the other games this weekend. The wild card spots are being held by Pitt and SD at 6-3. It is now more likely that Denver will be the team we are chasing instead of SD, but they are still the div leaders for now.

Now is the time for us to be a 60 minute team. We need to prove that we can be a playoff team by beating a division rival who is on a 3 game win streak.

My keys to the game:

1) Get to them early - Titans are on a streak, but don't think that they have forgotten about their first 6 games of the year. If we can strike early and get up by a few points, I think the TITs will be deflated and fall apart.

2) Slow down CJ - We can't give up huge plays to the guy this time. We need to key on him and hit him hard when we get our chances.

3) Casey/Hill/Dreesen - One of these guys needs to step up and make some plays to open up the field for us.

4) Slaton - We need him to be involved in our offense in a big way if we want to make a playoff push. Gotta get him touches via rushes and screen passes.

This will be my first game this year that I actually get to see on TV!! I am super pumped for this so I really hope we bring home a W. It will be a great weekend for me since I am driving 10 hours each way to see my CFL team play in the playoffs on Sunday!

Go Texans!

Big Lou
11-15-2009, 11:31 PM
Week 11 is when this team got hot last year, let's hope history repeats itself.

I understand the concept of Kubiaks opening drive, but I would like to set the tempo with a couple of first downs to settle the offense down.

One thing that always seems to help this team is when they throw to AJ deep in one of the opening plays, it really stretches the D whether he catches the ball or not.

Showtime100
11-15-2009, 11:40 PM
Ok, the Colts have sold their souls to the Devil, period. Yet another turnover at the goal line that ultimately would have cost them and now this. 35-34 Colts.

Air Canada
11-15-2009, 11:40 PM
This game has basically become a must win after seeing the results of a lot of the other games this weekend. The wild card spots are being held by Pitt and SD at 6-3. It is now more likely that Denver will be the team we are chasing instead of SD, but they are still the div leaders for now.

Remember that they are both 6-3...SD will play Denver and the loser will be tied with us if we win on MNF and like you said it is imperative that we win to take advantage of that. Pitt can still fall to us if they lose again and we win as well.


This will be my first game this year that I actually get to see on TV!! I am super pumped for this so I really hope we bring home a W. It will be a great weekend for me since I am driving 10 hours each way to see my CFL team play in the playoffs on Sunday!

Go Texans!

Sounds good....I expect it to be a win and a good win it better be on MNF!:clap:

Big Lou
11-15-2009, 11:42 PM
I freagin hate the Colts.

That Pass Interference Call was BS on the second to the last drive. The CB was looking back at the ball.

StarStruck
11-15-2009, 11:42 PM
It has been a long time since I saw such a good game.

Heath Shuler
11-15-2009, 11:43 PM
wtf, going for it?

kastofsna
11-15-2009, 11:43 PM
goddamn manning is amazing

StarStruck
11-15-2009, 11:46 PM
wtf, going for it?

I call it lack of respect. Quite costly,too.

GlassHalfFull
11-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Pats fans are going to be pissed. Belicheat out coached himself.

Joe Texan
11-15-2009, 11:48 PM
this game was fixed, Bellichick going for it, nope it was a fixed ending the spot was terrible, could have been challenged. But the cheater did not want to challenge? Fixed I tell you By the NFL

stingray
11-15-2009, 11:48 PM
Apparently, Bill Belichick thinks he is one smart MotherFu*&%er. Well BILL, no matter what level of football, you don't go for it on a 4th down on your own 30 when you are up by 6 with less than two minutes left. DUMBASS..

LonerATO
11-15-2009, 11:49 PM
I would have just let the COlts score asap and not played much of a D in hope of getting the ball back with at least a minute and try and drive down for a FG.

StarStruck
11-15-2009, 11:51 PM
this game was fixed, Bellichick going for it, nope it was a fixed ending the spot was terrible, could have been challenged. But the cheater did not want to challenge? Fixed I tell you By the NFL

You call it fixed. I call it arrogance.

kiwitexansfan
11-15-2009, 11:51 PM
Remind me not to bet against Peyton Manning.

Ballsy call from Belicheck, I can understand the mentality but when you don't get the 2 yards your going to get flamed

kastofsna
11-15-2009, 11:51 PM
this game was fixed, Bellichick going for it, nope it was a fixed ending the spot was terrible, could have been challenged. But the cheater did not want to challenge? Fixed I tell you By the NFL

hoping this is a fakepost

stingray
11-15-2009, 11:54 PM
Wow, a cheater and a Dummy. What a combo..

Mr teX
11-15-2009, 11:57 PM
Pats fans are going to be pissed. Belicheat out coached himself.

Nothing new, he did the same thing in the last superbowl with an unwarranted 4th down play at the end of the 1st half. Cocky bastard. 7 out of 10 times you might get away with that against any other qb....but you try that against Manning and the colts, in their house no less? Genius my ass....He essentially just blew home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

To quote obama..."he's a jackass"

Mr teX
11-16-2009, 12:00 AM
this game was fixed, Bellichick going for it, nope it was a fixed ending the spot was terrible, could have been challenged. But the cheater did not want to challenge? Fixed I tell you By the NFL

How in the hell was it fixed? Belicheat couldn't challenge it, he had no timeouts plus it was inside of 2 minutes so any challenge would've had to come from upstairs. Furthermore, Faulk didn't catch the ball clean, he bobbled it & didn't have clear possession until he got hit........which was right where the ref marked it.

stingray
11-16-2009, 12:01 AM
How in the hell was it fixed? Belicheat couldn't challenge it, he had no timeouts plus it was inside of 2 minutes so any challenge would've had to come from upstairs. Furthermore, Faulk didn't catch the ball clean, he bobbled it & didn't have clear possession until he got hit........which was right where the ref marked it.

Just ignore him... He's the crazy guy that talks to himself on the corner.

TexansSeminole
11-16-2009, 12:06 AM
I call it lack of respect. Quite costly,too.

I think it is exactly the opposite.

The only reason you go for it there is for fear of the other team's offense, specifically their QB.

There is nobody better in the 2 minute situation than Peyton Manning. I actually understand going for it. I wouldn't have because I am conservative, but Belichek certainly is not.

Lol at people calling Belichek a dummy. If you don't understand his mentality there, you've been blind over the past decade. You can disagree, but it isn't like the choice to go for it doesn't make any sense. That isn't Alex Smith on the other sideline. It's Peyton f'n Manning.

JDizzle
11-16-2009, 12:08 AM
What just happened?

stingray
11-16-2009, 12:11 AM
I think it is exactly the opposite.

The only reason you go for it there is for fear of the other team's offense, specifically their QB.

There is nobody better in the 2 minute situation than Peyton Manning. I actually understand going for it. I wouldn't have because I am conservative, but Belichek certaintly is not.

Lol at people calling Beliceck a dummy. If you don't understand his mentality there, you've been blind over the past decade. You can disagree, but it isn't like the choice to go for it doesn't make any sense. That isn't Alex Smith on the other sideline. It's Peyton f'n Manning.

There is a difference between being aggressive and stupid. Belichick was the latter.

kastofsna
11-16-2009, 12:11 AM
There is a difference between being aggressive and stupid. Belichick was the ladder.

i'm digging the irony of this post

kiwitexansfan
11-16-2009, 12:12 AM
I think it is exactly the opposite.

The only reason you go for it there is for fear of the other team's offense, specifically their QB.

There is nobody better in the 2 minute situation than Peyton Manning. I actually understand going for it. I wouldn't have because I am conservative, but Belichek certaintly is not.

I figure the logic of it was that with Manning being Manning you give him 70 yards in 2 minutes he can move the ball and score, if you give him 35 yards in 2 minutes he can move the ball and score, but if you get a 1st down and keep him off the field, he doesn't score.

Another thought on the logic is that a short field is easier to defend than a long field as it takes away the deep ball a bit because your defense isn't spread quite so thin.

Well those are my logical defenses of the play, I can respect the decision.

kastofsna
11-16-2009, 12:12 AM
I think it is exactly the opposite.

The only reason you go for it there is for fear of the other team's offense, specifically their QB.

There is nobody better in the 2 minute situation than Peyton Manning. I actually understand going for it. I wouldn't have because I am conservative, but Belichek certainly is not.

Lol at people calling Belichek a dummy. If you don't understand his mentality there, you've been blind over the past decade. You can disagree, but it isn't like the choice to go for it doesn't make any sense. That isn't Alex Smith on the other sideline. It's Peyton f'n Manning.
oh and his QB is Tom Brady. oh and going for it on that 4th and 2 has won them championships before. it's what they do. they have balls.

Showtime100
11-16-2009, 12:13 AM
Anybody got a link to one of the better Pat's message boards? That should make for some interesting lurking. :spy:

Lucky
11-16-2009, 12:14 AM
Lol at people calling Belichek a dummy.
I wouldn't call Belichick a dummy. But, that was the dumbest coaching move I've seen this season.

kastofsna
11-16-2009, 12:14 AM
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3388/smugmanning.gif (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/smugmanning.gif/)

Showtime100
11-16-2009, 12:17 AM
I wouldn't call Belichick a dummy. But, that was the dumbest coaching move I've seen this season.

I would agree. Just plain stupid.

stingray
11-16-2009, 12:17 AM
i'm digging the irony of this post

Because I misspelled Latter? OK mr. grammar nazi. Keep propping up your boy Bill, where he keeps showing how he can't win the big one without cheating.

StarStruck
11-16-2009, 12:19 AM
I think it is exactly the opposite.

The only reason you go for it there is for fear of the other team's offense, specifically their QB.

There is nobody better in the 2 minute situation than Peyton Manning. I actually understand going for it. I wouldn't have because I am conservative, but Belichek certainly is not.

Lol at people calling Belichek a dummy. If you don't understand his mentality there, you've been blind over the past decade. You can disagree, but it isn't like the choice to go for it doesn't make any sense. That isn't Alex Smith on the other sideline. It's Peyton f'n Manning.

I respectfully disagree. The Patriots had been scoring at will during the game. They are down to less than two minutes and up by six. Picking up that type of 4th down isn't as easy to make as it may seem, and here is a team in the Colt's house, on your own 30-yard line, and go for a 4th down and 2?

I don't think Belichek is a dummy by no stretch of the imagination, but I do think his is arrogant, otherwise he wouldn't have pulled that in-your-face, in your house, heck yeah I will go for it on a 4th and two on my 30. Watch me!

Hardcore Texan
11-16-2009, 12:21 AM
How in the hell was it fixed? Belicheat couldn't challenge it, he had no timeouts plus it was inside of 2 minutes so any challenge would've had to come from upstairs. Furthermore, Faulk didn't catch the ball clean, he bobbled it & didn't have clear possession until he got hit........which was right where the ref marked it.

Agree with everything but the bolded, the play was snapped before the 2 min warning, review could only be done by a challenge, and it was VERY close whether he got posession of that pass for the first down after the bobble. Pats blew that too by not saving a timeout.

TexansSeminole
11-16-2009, 12:22 AM
I respectfully disagree. The Patriots had been scoring at will during the game. They are down to less than two minutes and up by six. Picking up that type of 4th down isn't as easy to make as it may seem, and here is a team in the Colt's house, on your own 30-yard line, and go for a 4th down and 2?

I don't think Belichek is a dummy by no stretch of the imagination, but I do think his is arrogant, otherwise he wouldn't have pulled that in-your-face, in your house, heck yeah I will go for it on a 4th and two on my 30. Watch me!

I understand where you are coming from, obviously, but at the same time it isn't like its easy to stop Peyton Manning and the Colts in that situation (had they punted) either.

Blazing Arrow
11-16-2009, 12:23 AM
Brady is ridiculous

in case people didn't already know

To bad his coach is a fool ...

Goatcheese
11-16-2009, 12:24 AM
Brady said they came up a yard short. Texans overreactors, Nerd Rage activate!

beerlover
11-16-2009, 12:27 AM
Both teams have yet to play the Texans @ Relient this season that's all I care about :texan:

Showtime100
11-16-2009, 12:28 AM
Brady said they came up a yard short. Texans overreactors, Nerd Rage activate!

If a ref made that call from Brady's vantage point I would have screamed fix.

StarStruck
11-16-2009, 12:28 AM
I understand where you are coming from, obviously, but at the same time it isn't like its easy to stop Peyton Manning and the Colts in that situation (had they punted) either.

Manning and Company had been outscored all night. I'm not complaining because if the Colts aren't playing the Texans or Cowboys, I can relax and enjoy their games. Manning is a very impressive qb, but he still doesn't walk water yet. Therefore, Belichek should have kept doing what he had been doing to keep the lead.

Mr teX
11-16-2009, 12:34 AM
I think it is exactly the opposite.

The only reason you go for it there is for fear of the other team's offense, specifically their QB.

There is nobody better in the 2 minute situation than Peyton Manning. I actually understand going for it. I wouldn't have because I am conservative, but Belichek certainly is not.

Lol at people calling Belichek a dummy. If you don't understand his mentality there, you've been blind over the past decade. You can disagree, but it isn't like the choice to go for it doesn't make any sense. That isn't Alex Smith on the other sideline. It's Peyton f'n Manning.

I understand the mentality just fine but it was still a dumb ass move. For all those defending belichick's idiotic move, ask yourselves how you'd feel if Kubiak made the exact same call in that situation.

Yeah Manning might be one of the best in the 2 minute drill regardless of where he gets the ball on the field, but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's [I]that much better with a short field as opposed to a longer one. In addition to this, they picked him off twice in the 2nd half. You just don't do that no matter how good your offense is and how good the other guy is because you've got too many factors going in you favor.

kastofsna
11-16-2009, 12:35 AM
Because I misspelled Latter? OK mr. grammar nazi. Keep propping up your boy Bill, where he keeps showing how he can't win the big one without cheating.

...

StarStruck
11-16-2009, 12:36 AM
Both teams have yet to play the Texans @ Relient this season that's all I care about :texan:

When I was trying to decide which game to go to on the 3rd, I thought that the Patriots would be a shoo in for the playoffs, and would probably be playing their bench on that game. It could turn out to be one with a lot weighing in.

Showtime100
11-16-2009, 01:06 AM
I just checked out PatsFans.com (http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/) and have only read a tiny portion of one thread, the reaction thread, but so far they seem like a fairly level-headed bunch over there. After such a screwed up loss I was expecting gunfire and the works. Hmmm.

I say again though, I've only read a smidge. I'm sure as I read on I'll come across some magic words that will start the capital letters flying.

kastofsna
11-16-2009, 01:09 AM
I just checked out PatsFans.com (http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/) and have only read a tiny portion of one thread, the reaction thread, but so far they seem like a fairly level-headed bunch over there. After such a screwed up loss I was expecting gunfire and the works. Hmmm.

I say again though, I've only read a smidge. I'm sure as I read on I'll come across some magic words that will start the capital letters flying.

a few rings in recent years will help curb the suicide-watch. even after the Super Bowl loss to the Giants they were fairly calm about it.

Dan B.
11-16-2009, 01:19 AM
I understand the mentality just fine but it was still a dumb ass move. For all those defending belichick's idiotic move, ask yourselves how you'd feel if Kubiak made the exact same call in that situation.

Yeah Manning might be one of the best in the 2 minute drill regardless of where he gets the ball on the field, but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's [I]that much better with a short field as opposed to a longer one. In addition to this, they picked him off twice in the 2nd half. You just don't do that no matter how good your offense is and how good the other guy is because you've got too many factors going in you favor.

wtf, going for it?

If we had lost to Indy like that the board would spontaneously combust with calls for Kubiak's head.

Showtime100
11-16-2009, 01:23 AM
a few rings in recent years will help curb the suicide-watch. even after the Super Bowl loss to the Giants they were fairly calm about it.

That sounds good in theory but I don't buy it. That is in the past. They lost a big game vs a huge rival in unbelievable fashion and I would imagine their rings were of little comfort tonight. It was a regular season and it wasn't a division rival, but if I'm a Pat fan I wanted this game. Besides if that were the case Celtic and Red Saux fans would be a little closer to human than they are now. :D

toronto
11-16-2009, 01:34 AM
At first I was stunned at the call, not the balls aspect, but the audacity. Name me another NFL coach that plays to win, not to lose like Belicheck did there. I doubt 31 other coaches have the chutzpah, the balls and the belief in their QB to get 2 yards at any point on the field to win the game outright.

That said, he'll never admit it - he knew his defense had no gas left.

HoustonFrog
11-16-2009, 09:26 AM
I don't mind what he did. Their defense was gassed. You have Brady. One play and the game is over. The problem was Brady threw too quick after the last blitz. Welker had separation and was the read there. He threw to Fault before Faulk was ready. The bobble cost the first down.

False Start
11-16-2009, 09:57 AM
Real nice of Belichick to sick his coaches on the NFL Films camera man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Z1K06_MFo).

Porky
11-16-2009, 10:57 AM
Wow. That was a game for the ages and will be discussed for infintity. I would have never done what Belichik did. I would have played the odds and punted. I know it's Manning. I know the Pats D was tired and getting sliced. But, they needed a TD not just a FG. The odds are much better for you if you force them to go 70 or so yards instead of 30.

The other piece is they had blown a couple of TO's. One on a first down to start a drive which is indefensible. So, you couldn't stop the clock. Therefore, once they didn't make the 4th down (and the spot was perfect imo) I would have played ole' on that run play to Addai. Once he was breaking toward the goal line they should have let him score. They had no way to stop the clock, and odds are they are going to score. I say let them score, and put the ball back in Brady's hands with a minute or so left and see if he can get a FG.

Lot's of mistakes by the Pats and it cost them a game they should have won.

DBCooper
11-18-2009, 09:06 AM
I just checked out PatsFans.com (http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/) and have only read a tiny portion of one thread, the reaction thread, but so far they seem like a fairly level-headed bunch over there. After such a screwed up loss I was expecting gunfire and the works. Hmmm.

I say again though, I've only read a smidge. I'm sure as I read on I'll come across some magic words that will start the capital letters flying.

They probably were just happy with a moral victory.