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BuffSoldier
02-22-2005, 06:55 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team?statsId=34
CAP STATUS: One of the benefits of being a new franchise is not being around long enough to get into salary-cap trouble. The Texans have managed the cap well and are $14 million to $16 million under the 2005 cap.

I really didnt think that we had that much space open. I know that we still are going to go after Payne and probably Faggins, but what would that bring us down to, like 10 to 12 million? That is still enough space to sign a good receiver in FA before the draft.

How much would it cost to get Laverniouse Coles, Plexico Burress, Jerry Porter, Joey Galloway, or Derrick Mason.

If we signed one of them we would still probably have like 8 to 10 million left over for rooks. :thumbup

wiley2002
02-22-2005, 07:02 PM
Don't go spending too much because we should be having some key players coming up to the end of their contracts in a year or two.

BuffSoldier
02-22-2005, 07:05 PM
Don't go spending too much because we should be having some key players coming up to the end of their contracts in a year or two.

Yeah, I know just thinking wishfully.
Speaking of thinking wishfully, you never know, with the good attitudes on our team, we might be able to be that type of team thats good enough for players to resign for less money, and stay in a hunt for a SB, but I doubt that happens next year unless we kill in free agency and the draft.

LikeABoss
02-22-2005, 07:12 PM
I say we should build the team through the draft like the Baltimore Ravens did, and if any good veteran free agents want to play for the Texans at a decent price then I say grab them, but if not we should be developing the young talent that we already have and acquire through the draft. But we have to make sure we are picking the right players that will make actually make the team and contribute on the field when asked upon them, but I'm not too sure the Texans have been doing that though :confused:

BuffSoldier
02-22-2005, 07:17 PM
The Ravens went after TO but didnt get him, plus the Ravens didnt make the playoffs this year. But I still think that it was a good example. :)

LikeABoss
02-22-2005, 07:24 PM
The Ravens went after TO but didnt get him, plus the Ravens didnt make the playoffs this year. But I still think that it was a good example. :)

Please believe the Ravens will be back in the playoffs very soon. Their only weakness is on offense primarily the WR position, and fixing the O-line, which both could be done through free agency or through the draft because they are 20 million below the salary cap. They are not in the rebuilding process though.

wiley2002
02-22-2005, 07:41 PM
Yeah, I know just thinking wishfully.
Speaking of thinking wishfully, you never know, with the good attitudes on our team, we might be able to be that type of team thats good enough for players to resign for less money, and stay in a hunt for a SB, but I doubt that happens next year unless we kill in free agency and the draft.
:hmmm: I see where you're coming from but I just don't want to see the Texans end up the way Dallas did after all those FA they picked up in the 90s. I want to see the Texans remain a dominant force for years to come. So far they have shown me that they can. This season should prove who's worthy and who's not.

ThaShark316
02-22-2005, 07:53 PM
14 to 16 mil? :shocked

I thought it was like 2 mil or 3 mil maybe.

Dannyboy81
02-22-2005, 08:25 PM
I dont know . I think we can be 50 mil under the cap but we still wont make the playoffs. We dont play consistent and our playcalling is mediocore at best.
Its not the players but the system instead!! Its gets me mad just mentioning how much money we have or what draft picks we got. Still think we need a new head coach!! Capers can stay but not as headcoach . Anyone follow me????? Give me feedback please!!

Grid
02-22-2005, 08:31 PM
I follow you.. but dont agree with you. Capers has yet to show me that he isnt a good head coach. We have line problems.. get them fixed..and then lets see where we are. If we have the talent and we are playing well.. but the playcalling is losing the game for us.. then we know who to fire.

As things are.. its not Capers that is losing the game, its our Oline and our Dline.

Grid
02-22-2005, 08:35 PM
Thoughts:

ok.. we are 14-16 under the cap. lets assume we resign Payne & Faggins. and lets assume that that costs us 4 million (maybe a little low.. we will see.)

Now.. there are some other plays im sure we are gonna want to resign.. and maybe pick up a couple "no namers" from around the league.. so lets assume we spend 4 million more on that (again.. maybe a little low)

So.. that would leave us with 6 to 8 million in cap space. Enough for ONE good pickup. Who do you think it could be? Im gonna say LaMont Jordan. We have wanted him forever and the jets are having cap issues.. as much as they want to resign him.. signing a backup RB probably wont be their highest priority.

Hes a franchise RB. We need a franchise RB. DD is great but unreliable with his injuries. Lamont Jordan.. god I hope we get him.

*crosses fingers and wishes on a shooting star*

Hottoddie
02-22-2005, 09:04 PM
Don't forget that the rookie pool has to come out of the $14-16 million as well.

Grid
02-22-2005, 09:13 PM
ahhh.. yah thats right.. forgot about that. well shoot. Maybe if Casserly is very persuasive heh.

edo783
02-22-2005, 09:50 PM
I think they will also be raising the cap to around 85 Mill. If that isn't already factored into the 14-16 number, then we could get Jordan and still have space for the newbees. There are a couple of centers and gaurds that are FA's that should we get either as starters (hope) or quality backups.

ColdSteelBlue
02-23-2005, 06:19 AM
I think the 2 guys we need to target are LB Edgar Hartwell(Bal.) and C/G Ben Hamilton (Den.) Both would be great to get, but 1 would make me happy.

TEXANS84
02-23-2005, 01:59 PM
I see a franchise tag coming to Jamie Sharper's future next year.

Meloy
02-23-2005, 02:42 PM
I really didnt think that we had that much space open. I know that we still are going to go after Payne and probably Faggins, but what would that bring us down to, like 10 to 12 million? That is still enough space to sign a good receiver in FA before the draft.

How much would it cost to get Laverniouse Coles, Plexico Burress, Jerry Porter, Joey Galloway, or Derrick Mason.

If we signed one of them we would still probably have like 8 to 10 million left over for rooks. :thumbup

Ain't it amazing what 3 weeks or so will do? I mentioned this in another thread and was blasted as not knowing what I was talking about. The cap is very complex and I sure don't claim to be an expert. However, as I understand, the $14 m is our wiggle room for 2005. Draft picks and free agents not picked in draft must come out of that as well as any free agents we keep or select. Still $14 m is a lot of change. Keep in mind, there are always borderline guys on the team who could be cut if needed. Football does not have guaranteed contracts and some of those guys have small signing bonus if any and would not impact cap. I think if you have a shot at a good f/a that can be a starter or above avg back up, you go for him. You can't say well that effects how much cap space avail in following years. To me that's like saying, do not draft a player that is a potential starter cause his salary effects future years. Of course it does. That's how we get better. While free agency and the draft are basically **** shoots, at least you have a pro track record with a f/a. I like building with younger guys but if you can sign a guy who can be a player maker for 2+ years , I say negotiate.

texasguy346
02-23-2005, 02:56 PM
I see a franchise tag coming to Jamie Sharper's future next year.

I think it will be a top priority for CC to sign him to a deal before we need to place the franchise tag on him. Hopefully he'll be able to finish up his career as a Texan.

twinkletwinkle
02-23-2005, 02:58 PM
Yeah I dont purport to know anything about the cap either but I heard last night that the Rockets were paying Matt Moloney 200gs a year until he is 75. Not to say that this was a particularly good deal, but can teams in the NFL come up with the same creative solutions? If so the cap is roadhump more so than a roadblock.

erickwsmom
02-23-2005, 02:58 PM
And I think he wants to also.

Meloy
02-23-2005, 03:53 PM
Yeah I dont purport to know anything about the cap either but I heard last night that the Rockets were paying Matt Moloney 200gs a year until he is 75. Not to say that this was a particularly good deal, but can teams in the NFL come up with the same creative solutions? If so the cap is roadhump more so than a roadblock.

Good question. The NFL cap gurus must sign off on contracts as I understand. Bud Adams use to include businesses such as car washes, oil change, and car dealerships to entice players to sign. I understand he gave Earl Campbell a start at cattle ranching and former player Mac Haik a car dealership. The Texans have a cap specialist on payroll to avoid getting in trouble with NFL. :woot

Chawky1
02-25-2005, 09:17 AM
Thoughts:

ok.. we are 14-16 under the cap. lets assume we resign Payne & Faggins. and lets assume that that costs us 4 million (maybe a little low.. we will see.)

Now.. there are some other plays im sure we are gonna want to resign.. and maybe pick up a couple "no namers" from around the league.. so lets assume we spend 4 million more on that (again.. maybe a little low)

So.. that would leave us with 6 to 8 million in cap space. Enough for ONE good pickup. Who do you think it could be? Im gonna say LaMont Jordan. We have wanted him forever and the jets are having cap issues.. as much as they want to resign him.. signing a backup RB probably wont be their highest priority.

Hes a franchise RB. We need a franchise RB. DD is great but unreliable with his injuries. Lamont Jordan.. god I hope we get him.

*crosses fingers and wishes on a shooting star*

You guys have so many holes to fill that I think blowing your proverbial cap load on a position where you already have depth would be a waste. Your comment on picking up no-namers was a good idea as there is a lot of bargain priced second tier talent to be had. It's one thing to strengthen an area of strength when you are the Patriots, and another when you are the Texans.

In terms of depth, I think you guys could use a viable vet qb who would come in cheap and give you some Carr insurance (bahahahahaha......uh anyway), your RB depth seems decent to me (is Wells a FA???) if you start this next season with the three you ended last year with - all healthy - you should be good enough in that are.

Wr's are decent enough to get the job done, maybe a mid round draft pick, or a cheap vet FA #2 or #3 caliber WR. TE could use a major upgrade.....Bubba? O-line ...good god, I'd draft O-line with your first three picks or find some upgrades in FA.

wiley2002
02-25-2005, 09:25 AM
If DD gets hurt (hope it doesn't happen) we have Jonathon Wells. He showed great improvement last year. I think, and I hope, that will give DD some competition and cause both of them to keep stepping it up.

TexanBacker93
02-25-2005, 09:28 AM
For anyone always wanting the Texans to do whatever it takes to get a player, take some time to look at the Redskins. Each and every year under their magnificent owner they are in cap hell and having to rework contracts and waive good players. Just 2 years ago they gave up a 1st round pick to get Coles and now because they continue to spend money with no regard to team chemistry and cost they have to get rid of him. With the biggest payroll in football, playing in the weaker conference and a weak division, the Redskins have 18 wins over the past 3 years and not even a sniff of a playoff appearance.

Houston is not a team that is going to have to overspend to get players for very long. This is a great city and very ideal for athletes since we don't have a state income tax. Casserly, McNair, and Capers will get the players the Texans need without sacrificing the future. I would rather go with a no name opposite Andre than to see us have to let Andre go because we can't afford 2 big name receivers. Something very special is being built down here. I hope they don't mess it up trying to make a huge splash.

wiley2002
02-25-2005, 09:32 AM
Something very special is being built down here. I hope they don't mess it up trying to make a huge splash.
So far so good. If everything proceeds as planned, this team will be playoff bound this year or next year. Hopefully both! :woot

rhc564
02-25-2005, 10:14 AM
So far so good. If everything proceeds as planned, this team will be playoff bound this year or next year. Hopefully both!

It amazes me that so many of you think Capers will put the players we
need together in one year that he hasn't come close to doing in 3!...all
these holes we have to fill that will require playing time together to reach
any kind of acceptable level is not going to 'magically' happen because
the time frame of the 'plan' is HERE. :woot

wiley2002
02-25-2005, 10:21 AM
I don't know if you've noticed but every year there seems to be a couple of the young players who keep stepping up. Last year we had quite a few like Faggins and Robinson on defense. Gaffney is showing promise as a possible #2 WR. Heck, even the o-line was finally starting to show signs of better blocking routes. Lots of those question marks will be filled by this year.

I guarantee it. -Chad Johnson

rhc564
02-25-2005, 11:12 AM
"even the o-line was finally starting to show signs of better blocking routes.".

...your'e kidding, right? There was no offense against the Browns and
they had a field day sacking Carr! Pass protection is the knock against
the OL, not opening holes for the RB. Plus, we are going to need a lot
more than a "couple' of guys stepping up to just win, let alone make the
playoffs. :confused:

BattleRedRaider
02-25-2005, 11:38 AM
Yeah, our o-line needs alot of help. The last thing Carr needs is a concussion from all the sacks he's getting.

Grid
02-25-2005, 02:38 PM
oline doesnt need many changes.

here are my thoughts on it

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=6657&page=1

Txnpride
02-25-2005, 02:45 PM
I follow you.. but dont agree with you. Capers has yet to show me that he isnt a good head coach. We have line problems.. get them fixed..and then lets see where we are. If we have the talent and we are playing well.. but the playcalling is losing the game for us.. then we know who to fire.

As things are.. its not Capers that is losing the game, its our Oline and our Dline.Wish all the fans can realize the lines play is killing us.As you stated....get these problems fixed...and we can hang with anyone. :cool:

THEFUTURE
02-25-2005, 02:55 PM
but if we did bring in an OLmen, who is a free agent, that has experience with zone blocking?... but if it is gonna be a rookie, i say we give alex barron a good look, 6'7".. 300+ pounds... a mammoth of a man... espn just did a good article... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1998707

THEFUTURE
02-25-2005, 03:06 PM
i dont think he will go in the first, but maybe in a later round, take a look at him, let his skills develop more... there are still a lot of technical things to be desired.... but he is a big boy... and he could be something if he does progress

Meloy
02-25-2005, 03:41 PM
oline doesnt need many changes.

here are my thoughts on it

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=6657&page=1

Just read your "thoughts" & I think you nailed it!! Only caution I have is Johnson @ ILB? I've read he can't take on heads up, he needs to go lateral. If so, how can he go ilb in pros? 2nd, I like dd starting but we could use someone to take load off with a few (10-15)carries. That we should be able to get with 4-5 round or maybe cheap f/a. :thumbup

Grid
02-25-2005, 03:48 PM
Johnson is a great athlete.. if he ISNT strong going head to head (which I feel is more rumor, or people looking for something to nitpick).. then I have no doubt he can learn to be strong in it.

even so.. our chances of getting him are slim to none.

Id really like us to start stockpiling some picks.

Next draft.. Ngata, Wright, and Brooks will all be 1st round guys that we could REALLY REALLY use.

rhc564
02-25-2005, 03:55 PM
"oline doesnt need many changes."

The new OL blocking did not change the pass blocking, so why did it fall
apart? Our OL just could not keep people away from Carr, even when we
out numbered them, and was not caused by zone run blocking!

Folks, we have got to get the OL pass protection failures solved or
we're going no where. Period. :woot

BuffSoldier
02-25-2005, 07:37 PM
I feel that the change to zone blocking was a good change. At the beggining of the season the o-line was new at it and the running game had problems, but as the season progressed, I noticed that DD progression increased, and the line started to block better.

As happy as I was with the increase in run production, I was very dissapointed with the way the O-line performed in pass pro. I think we still need more help in pass pro if we can get it.

Wolf
02-25-2005, 08:04 PM
Folks, we have got to get the OL pass protection failures solved or
we're going no where. Period. :woot
:shocked


What no mention of Capers?
:shocked

TexansTrueFan
02-26-2005, 04:24 PM
I dont know . I think we can be 50 mil under the cap but we still wont make the playoffs. We dont play consistent and our playcalling is mediocore at best.
Its not the players but the system instead!! Its gets me mad just mentioning how much money we have or what draft picks we got. Still think we need a new head coach!! Capers can stay but not as headcoach . Anyone follow me????? Give me feedback please!!


Hmm so D.D 4 fumbles in the first 2 games were the coaches fault ???? oh and carrs 3 int lord them coaches are bad :loser

Grid
02-26-2005, 08:29 PM
the pass protection suffered because of the numerous Oline changes. We had pitts moving to LG.. and Wand and Wade taking over the Tackle spots.

remember last year? we had pretty much our whole oline returning.. and they were actually getting fairly good. Olines need time to mesh.

So.. no.. we dont need many oline changes.. otherwise we would be shooting ourselves in the foot.

TexanBacker93
02-27-2005, 12:15 PM
If the Texans can get a stud LT in the draft I would go for it. Barron is definitely a first round selection, although he isn't as polished as Gallery or even Gross. He won't be around in the 2nd round. I don't know if he's good enough to take at 13, but if Casserly can send the 2nd, a 4th, and one of the 3rds to San Diego for their 2nd 1st round pick it might be worth grabbing someone like Johnson and then Barron in the 1st round.

If that isn't possible I think the best thing the Texans can do is let the unit grow. The Texans haven't had the same line in any of the 3 years and they won't upgrade their line through FA unless they overpay.

The Texans aren't 1 player away from winning a Super Bowl. Build talent and get the best players through the draft. That's the winning formula in the NFL now.

TexansTrueFan
02-27-2005, 02:12 PM
personally i think they are a few OL, and DL players away from beign superbowl contenders.

HoustonLionsFan
03-06-2005, 08:48 PM
Just curious, what is Carr's salary cap # this year?

HoustonLionsFan
03-06-2005, 09:12 PM
Ummm...OK.

I can help a little. I believe his base salary for 05 is 5.5 mil, 3.1 mil signing bonus I believe. Is there any roster bonus this year anyone knows about? Or is 8.6 mil his TOTAL cap # this year?

Anyone?