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beerlover
11-12-2009, 12:43 AM
1) CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest, 6'0" 190 Been infatuated with this Demon Deacon defense the past two years & have wished for a significant addition off it & on the Texans so by process of elimination Ghee is it. One thing of note watching Wake is they're taught to create turnovers, this may be the reason why he is such a hitting machine, ala Bernard Pollard this makes the Texans secondary more formidable.

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started.

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305 He is Center specific, meaning if drafted that is where he is going to play moving Myers to bench. mauler like Studdard, has leadership intangible to step up & make the offensive line calls, tough, intelligent, durable pivot man Gibbs likes.

4) DT Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries.

5) SS/FS Barry Church, Toledo, 6'1" 219 Another strong tackler, can move to the ball in a hurry, has nose for the ball & also forces turnovers, fits Texans aggressive cover skills & strong in run support. I would see him as Pollards back-up adding much needed depth & special teams play as he develops.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson) TE Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 A threat in passing game, excellent hands/routes with + blocking game. Will Texans come to an agreement with Owen Daniels agent? have no idea coming into labor negoiations (I'm thinking Texans are waiting to see what happens before resiging these key players). regardless this is not a throw away pick, in fact I expect him to be gone in the 4th rd. but this kid will be a player in the NFL for sure.

6) OLB Keenan Clayton, Oklahoma 6'1" 221 Should compete hard in camp for a roster spot. Combine numbers should post better than expected measureables, his ability to cover & force break-ups is on the rise for a reason. An example of a safety who grew into a LB so his ability to cover is better than most linebackers.

7) OG/C Andrew Lewis, Oklahoma State 6'4" 292 Can fill both Guard & Center positions that proverbial versatility. Depth/Need. practice squad possibly, very durable & fits ZBS.

This draft is defense heavy but should give Bush the tools to finish the job.

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badboy
11-12-2009, 04:54 PM
I can drink to this. Don't know much about your Toledo guy at FS but Wilson has that position for now so...

Gerhart I really like but am hoping he is there in third. I see this draft as being defensive oriented and deep so maybe he gets pushed down. I think that flavor of the month is the smaller back such as Slaton and Dwyer and Dixon and there is another I can't think of may push Toby down. At least I hope 'cause I don't see Smith drafting a back in 1st or 2nd.

JB
11-12-2009, 05:05 PM
I can drink to this. Don't know much about your Toledo guy at FS but Wilson has that position for now so...

Gerhart I really like but am hoping he is there in third. I see this draft as being defensive oriented and deep so maybe he gets pushed down. I think that flavor of the month is the smaller back such as Slaton and Dwyer and Dixon and there is another I can't think of may push Toby down. At least I hope 'cause I don't see Smith drafting a back in 1st or 2nd.

I think Gerhart may be there in the third and maybe the fourth. Speed is the flavor of the decade and lack of it will push him down.

badboy
11-12-2009, 05:18 PM
I think Gerhart may be there in the third and maybe the fourth. Speed is the flavor of the decade and lack of it will push him down.I truly hope you are correct as Smithiac may then use a 3rd or 4th on a power back. They never have before.

rmartin65
11-12-2009, 05:49 PM
1) CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest, 6'0" 190 Been infatuated with this Demon Deacon defense the past two years & have wished for a significant addition off it & on the Texans so by process of elimination Ghee is it. One thing of note watching Wake is they're taught to create turnovers, this may be the reason why he is such a hitting machine, ala Bernard Pollard this makes the Texans secondary more formidable.

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started.

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305 He is Center specific, meaning if drafted that is where he is going to play moving Myers to bench. mauler like Studdard, has leadership intangible to step up & make the offensive line calls, tough, intelligent, durable pivot man Gibbs likes.

4) DT Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries.

5) SS/FS Barry Church, Toledo, 6'1" 219 Another strong tackler, can move to the ball in a hurry, has nose for the ball & also forces turnovers, fits Texans aggressive cover skills & strong in run support. I would see him as Pollards back-up adding much needed depth & special teams play as he develops.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson) TE Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 A threat in passing game, excellent hands/routes with + blocking game. Will Texans come to an agreement with Owen Daniels agent? have no idea coming into labor negoiations (I'm thinking Texans are waiting to see what happens before resiging these key players). regardless this is not a throw away pick, in fact I expect him to be gone in the 4th rd. but this kid will be a player in the NFL for sure.

6) OLB Keenan Clayton, Oklahoma 6'1" 221 Should compete hard in camp for a roster spot. Combine numbers should post better than expected measureables, his ability to cover & force break-ups is on the rise for a reason. An example of a safety who grew into a LB so his ability to cover is better than most linebackers.

7) OG/C Andrew Lewis, Oklahoma State 6'4" 292 Can fill both Guard & Center positions that proverbial versatility. Depth/Need. practice squad possibly, very durable & fits ZBS.

This draft is defense heavy but should give Bush the tools to finish the job.

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Good draft!
Here are my critiques:

1) I dont know much about Ghee, but I will trust you on this one. I like my hard hitting corners, as long he is at least a decent cover guy, I feel good about this pick.

2) Gerhart-Excellent choice, enough said.

3) Walton- Good choice

4) I like the picking of a DT here, I just dont know which one to pick. I admit to not watching Texas too much (only watched the RRS) but Texas normally churns out some decent players.

5) I like a safety here, but you got the wrong guy. I am in no way a Notre Dame fan, but McCarthy changes games. He is clutch, and great on special teams.

6) I would say only a TE if OD is not re-signed. Moeaki is a good choice, as is the Illinois one. If OD is in fact re-signed, I would look for some OL depth.

6) Oklahoma OLB, good pick. Will play on special teams, no complaints here.

7) Eh, 7th rounder. I am fine with this pick, I cant really make up my mind on who I want. I am always down with OL depth.

rmartin65
11-12-2009, 05:52 PM
I can drink to this. Don't know much about your Toledo guy at FS but Wilson has that position for now so...

Gerhart I really like but am hoping he is there in third. I see this draft as being defensive oriented and deep so maybe he gets pushed down. I think that flavor of the month is the smaller back such as Slaton and Dwyer and Dixon and there is another I can't think of may push Toby down. At least I hope 'cause I don't see Smith drafting a back in 1st or 2nd.

I think Gerhart may be there in the third and maybe the fourth. Speed is the flavor of the decade and lack of it will push him down.

I am sorry guys, but I just can't see anything past a late second for Gerhart. The man takes over games. I have seen a couple games of his, and in every one he has impressed. I posted this article in another thread, but its worth a look: http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi-bin/?p=1035761

The stat break down is especially impressive.

nunusguy
11-12-2009, 05:58 PM
I like the Stanford back, but I dunno if he's a 2nd round value and I'd doubt
Kubiak wouldn't pay that price for a running back anyway, especially one who might end up playing baseball instead of football.

TexansSeminole
11-12-2009, 07:13 PM
1) CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest, 6'0" 190 Been infatuated with this Demon Deacon defense the past two years & have wished for a significant addition off it & on the Texans so by process of elimination Ghee is it. One thing of note watching Wake is they're taught to create turnovers, this may be the reason why he is such a hitting machine, ala Bernard Pollard this makes the Texans secondary more formidable.


Ghee as a first rounder? I haven't been doing a lot of reading on players this year but just from watching WF over the years, Ghee doesn't come across as a first rounder.

beerlover
11-13-2009, 06:31 AM
Ghee as a first rounder? I haven't been doing a lot of reading on players this year but just from watching WF over the years, Ghee doesn't come across as a first rounder.

interesting that Wake plays FSU this weekend :photos:

like his size, athletic ability, aggressive physical game, they say he compares to Vontae Davis taken in 09 (1st rd.) out of Illinois but reminds me more of Aqib Talib taken 08 (1st rd.) out of Kansas. I feel the Texans will be too tempted if one of the elite corners are still available & lately he has been flashing his NFL skill set focusing more on break-ups in one on one coverage.

TexansSeminole
11-13-2009, 11:04 AM
interesting that Wake plays FSU this weekend :photos:

like his size, athletic ability, aggressive physical game, they say he compares to Vontae Davis taken in 09 (1st rd.) out of Illinois but reminds me more of Aqib Talib taken 08 (1st rd.) out of Kansas. I feel the Texans will be too tempted if one of the elite corners are still available & lately he has been flashing his NFL skill set focusing more on break-ups in one on one coverage.

He's been a good playeer for awhile, maybe I'm just showing my lack of research this year. He could very well be a first rounder.

We (FSU) have a freshman QB playing for the rest of the year because Ponder is having shoulder surgery.

badboy
11-13-2009, 11:29 AM
Good draft!
Here are my critiques:

1) I dont know much about Ghee, but I will trust you on this one. I like my hard hitting corners, as long he is at least a decent cover guy, I feel good about this pick.

2) Gerhart-Excellent choice, enough said.

3) Walton- Good choice

4) I like the picking of a DT here, I just dont know which one to pick. I admit to not watching Texas too much (only watched the RRS) but Texas normally churns out some decent players.

5) I like a safety here, but you got the wrong guy. I am in no way a Notre Dame fan, but McCarthy changes games. He is clutch, and great on special teams.

6) I would say only a TE if OD is not re-signed. Moeaki is a good choice, as is the Illinois one. If OD is in fact re-signed, I would look for some OL depth.

6) Oklahoma OLB, good pick. Will play on special teams, no complaints here.

7) Eh, 7th rounder. I am fine with this pick, I cant really make up my mind on who I want. I am always down with OL depth.Ghee is a strong candidate. 6' 190 and a true corner with 4.45 speed with a low of 4.34. He did exceprionally well against Georgia Tech recently. See link
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=74747&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

I am looking at Mike Neal Purdue DT on my latest mock re-incarnation at round 4. Very strong guy with 5 QB sacks so far with 4.92 speed.

badboy
11-13-2009, 11:40 AM
I am sorry guys, but I just can't see anything past a late second for Gerhart. The man takes over games. I have seen a couple games of his, and in every one he has impressed. I posted this article in another thread, but its worth a look: http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi-bin/?p=1035761

The stat break down is especially impressive.RMARTIN65 GOOGLE running back Johnathan Dwyer and compare stats to Toby. The Georgia Tech guy had almost the same article written about him. 6'1" 235 (sound familiar?). 2008 Dwyer rushed for 1395 and averaged 7.5. As of Nov 12th he has gained 1093 @ 6.5 yds per carry. He is reported as "excellent" on play actions (Schaub anyone?) where he does not get the ball but usually draws the defense with him.

TexansSeminole
11-13-2009, 11:45 AM
RMARTIN65 GOOGLE running back Johnathan Dwyer and compare stats to Toby. The Georgia Tech guy had almost the same article written about him. 6'1" 235 (sound familiar?). 2008 Dwyer rushed for 1395 and averaged 7.5. As of Nov 12th he has gained 1093 @ 6.5 yds per carry. He is reported as "excellent" on play actions (Schaub anyone?) where he does not get the ball but usually draws the defense with him.

Well Dwyer plays fullback in the triple option at Georgia Tech. The QB either gives him the ball up the gut, runs a QB follow, or continues the option with a pitch man available. Generally they don't run a playaction, they rarely throw the ball period.

I love Dwyer as a prospect but it is hard to compare his statistics to other RBs because Ga Tech's scheme is so different than what most other teams are doing.

TheRealJoker
11-13-2009, 12:08 PM
No way Moeaki lasts until the 6th round. The only way he can be shutdown is if a crappy backup freshmen QB is in the game!!!

beerlover
11-13-2009, 12:42 PM
No way Moeaki lasts until the 6th round. The only way he can be shutdown is if a crappy backup freshmen QB is in the game!!!

this is a steal & reason why I put in the disclaimer, "in fact I expect him to be gone in the 4th rd." I was suprised current rankings of eligible College prospects had him listed 5th-6th rd. so had to jump all over it. they key to this pick is what the Texans wind up receiving in exchange for Travis Johnson? I beleive Rick got an escalator clause that would bump him up to the 5th rd. (helps he starts this weekend) so I just wanted to make damn sure the Texans get someone in return to show for it. This pick is also dependant on Owen Daniels contract/rehab. If for whatever reason Daniels is no longer a Texan (sad day indeed) the Texans will have to address this most likely even after drafting two last year, in the draft. Then I would move him up to the 4th because there would be more sense of urgency.

kastofsna
11-14-2009, 01:31 AM
No way Moeaki lasts until the 6th round. The only way he can be shutdown is if a crappy backup freshmen QB is in the game!!!

really, no WAY it doesn't happen? every year there are dozens of guys who slip into the later rounds and dozens who get drafted way too "early." it's very possible for a 4th rounder to slip to the 6th.

rmartin65
11-14-2009, 11:38 AM
RMARTIN65 GOOGLE running back Johnathan Dwyer and compare stats to Toby. The Georgia Tech guy had almost the same article written about him. 6'1" 235 (sound familiar?). 2008 Dwyer rushed for 1395 and averaged 7.5. As of Nov 12th he has gained 1093 @ 6.5 yds per carry. He is reported as "excellent" on play actions (Schaub anyone?) where he does not get the ball but usually draws the defense with him.

I actually have watched alot of Georgia Tech, and he is a good back. If you look at the 2010 Runningbacks thread, I have him rated above Gerhart. I think that he is not as physical though, and benefits from the triple option that is ran there.

painekiller
11-14-2009, 05:18 PM
interesting that Wake plays FSU this weekend :photos:

like his size, athletic ability, aggressive physical game, they say he compares to Vontae Davis taken in 09 (1st rd.) out of Illinois but reminds me more of Aqib Talib taken 08 (1st rd.) out of Kansas. I feel the Texans will be too tempted if one of the elite corners are still available & lately he has been flashing his NFL skill set focusing more on break-ups in one on one coverage.

I like Ghee, but I have not seen him mention as a 1st rounder yet. Seeing him going in the 3rd more often than any other round. Until he runs, I would have to call him a reach in the 1st.

Also I am looking for play makers, and Ghee has only one INT in his career. A little lower than a guy with his speed should have.

PapaL
11-14-2009, 07:28 PM
" I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started. "

Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

Just thinking out loud...

rmartin65
11-14-2009, 08:45 PM
" I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started. "

Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

Just thinking out loud...

I think he was making fun of Jason Kidd...

beerlover
11-14-2009, 09:00 PM
" I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started. "

Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

Just thinking out loud...

http://static.desktopnexus.com/wallpapers/14665-bigthumbnail.jpg

how about 270? after watching Toby dominate USC I'm convinced if the Texans want him they need to use their 1st, so flip RB w/CB maybe Ghee will still be there in the 2nd or Perrish Cox looks pretty good tonight for OSU.

badboy
11-16-2009, 12:27 PM
" I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started. "

Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

Just thinking out loud...I try not to do that very often. Thinking can lead to various problems like headaches & thinking aloud can lose you friends who don't really need to know what you are thinking about their girl friends.

beerlover
11-16-2009, 02:17 PM
Still bye week so made some adjustments based off this weekends results both College & NFL.

1) RB, Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. Type of big, ball control back elite teams covet to control end of games situations like Colts/Patriots last night. Stanford seems to have a very solid OL, they finish their blocking assingments & proficient in both run blocking/pass protection, if that breaks down they have a big mobile, strong QB Andrew Luck that looks like the second coming of Elway throwing on the run outside the pocket or just taking it for the conversion himself. But here is the deal, everybody knows Toby is going to get the rock & still he drives multiple tacklers backwards for an extra 2-3 yards every carry, those extra yards are key to favorable conversions & time of possession. The last two weeks against top 10 teams he has amassed 401 yds. rushing & 6 TD's & gang tackling aside teams cannot stop him. Given the Texans need to improve their run game, complimenting Steve Slaton & Ryan Moats it's a perfect fit.

2) CB, Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State, 6'0" 195 Very difficult to commit to any one cornerback, just know the Texans will be prepared to take the best one available who fits their system. After watching Perrish shutdown Texas Tech & perform at an elite level, came up on the first series of the game to the line of scrimmage & took out the RB als vintage Dunta Robinson technique, the next play he dove & intercepted an underthrown ball in the endzone. Reminds me of Jarirus Byrd, drafted last year out of Oregon, then drafted in the 2nd rd. by Buffalo now leading the NFL with 8 Int's. Both appear to have the skill set to play both corner or safety have good ball anticipation & tackling ability. Does have better speed so I would expect him to play CB next level but he does give you added versatility.

3) OLB, A.J. Edds, Iowa, 6'4" 244 Changed from J.D. Walton because I expect him to be off the board w/combination of doubt Texans would use consecutive 3rd picks on a C/OG. Edds is no small consolation prize, he is one of the premier cover weakside linebackers in the country & compliments what the Texans currently have. Has excellent range & length to shorten field & throwing windows.

4) TE, Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 Based off feedback & my own feelings that Tony will be a legit NFL TE who fits the slot ala Owen Daniels as well inline blocking ability as well downfield I'm not going to submit waiting til later. Owen will be coming off ACL & has a contract yet to be inked so at this writing alot of things are still in the air. As situation evolves Tony could rise higher on my Texan board, David Thomas drafted out of Texas in 06 in 3rd rd. by New England (Acquired by Saints from New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 seventh-round draft choice) had 5 receptions.

5) DT, Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries. Has two sacks against Baylor, JD aside not his man, but solid game all around with 5 solo tackles 3 for a loss (-14). Tied for 6th on a dominant Texas defense, 5 sacks for 30 yards loss & 2 fumbles recovered.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson trade w/San Diego) OG/C, Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6'3" 310 If everything goes according to plan Gibbs should be able to complete his OL before retirement. Another ZBS versatile and dependable interior lineman, filling out depth chart. Continue to address the interior of the Texans OL, remember the Texans traded a 6th for Chris Myers somewhere here in the 5th/6th they should fill this need.

6) DE, Arthur Moats, James Madison, 6'0" 250 Trying to find out if he is related to Ryan? Always looking for Dwight Freeney clone, Moats is leading the team in tackles (83) & sacks (11). has non-stop motor against lesser competition which is reason still on the board but reward worth risk here.

7) K, Leigh Tiffin, Alabama, 6'1" 212 One of the top kickers in the country, really respect Chris & think he's a great guy but when the pressure is on he tends to miss key opportunities that can either win or lose games. He did it in Pittsburgh & now Houston. We'll see some big games coming up for Alabama against Florida & possibly beyond if they win so his mettle will be tested @ the highest level.

badboy
11-16-2009, 02:41 PM
Still bye week so made some adjustments based off this weekends results both College & NFL.

1) RB, Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. Type of big, ball control back elite teams covet to control end of games situations like Colts/Patriots last night. Stanford seems to have a very solid OL, they finish their blocking assingments & proficient in both run blocking/pass protection, if that breaks down they have a big mobile, strong QB Andrew Luck that looks like the second coming of Elway throwing on the run outside the pocket or just taking it for the conversion himself. But here is the deal, everybody knows Toby is going to get the rock & still he drives multiple tacklers backwards for an extra 2-3 yards every carry, those extra yards are key to favorable conversions & time of possession. The last two weeks against top 10 teams he has amassed 401 yds. rushing & 6 TD's & gang tackling aside teams cannot stop him. Given the Texans need to improve their run game, complimenting Steve Slaton & Ryan Moats it's a perfect fit.

2) CB, Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State, 6'0" 195 Very difficult to commit to any one cornerback, just know the Texans will be prepared to take the best one available who fits their system. After watching Perrish shutdown Texas Tech & perform at an elite level, came up on the first series of the game to the line of scrimmage & took out the RB als vintage Dunta Robinson technique, the next play he dove & intercepted an underthrown ball in the endzone. Reminds me of Jarirus Byrd, drafted last year out of Oregon, then drafted in the 2nd rd. by Buffalo now leading the NFL with 8 Int's. Both appear to have the skill set to play both corner or safety have good ball anticipation & tackling ability. Does have better speed so I would expect him to play CB next level but he does give you added versatility.

3) OLB, A.J. Edds, Iowa, 6'4" 244 Changed from J.D. Walton because I expect him to be off the board w/combination of doubt Texans would use consecutive 3rd picks on a C/OG. Edds is no small consolation prize, he is one of the premier cover weakside linebackers in the country & compliments what the Texans currently have. Has excellent range & length to shorten field & throwing windows.

4) TE, Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 Based off feedback & my own feelings that Tony will be a legit NFL TE who fits the slot ala Owen Daniels as well inline blocking ability as well downfield I'm not going to submit waiting til later. Owen will be coming off ACL & has a contract yet to be inked so at this writing alot of things are still in the air. As situation evolves Tony could rise higher on my Texan board, David Thomas drafted out of Texas in 06 in 3rd rd. by New England (Acquired by Saints from New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 seventh-round draft choice) had 5 receptions.

5) DT, Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries. Has two sacks against Baylor, JD aside not his man, but solid game all around with 5 solo tackles 3 for a loss (-14). Tied for 6th on a dominant Texas defense, 5 sacks for 30 yards loss & 2 fumbles recovered.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson trade w/San Diego) OG/C, Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6'3" 310 If everything goes according to plan Gibbs should be able to complete his OL before retirement. Another ZBS versatile and dependable interior lineman, filling out depth chart. Continue to address the interior of the Texans OL, remember the Texans traded a 6th for Chris Myers somewhere here in the 5th/6th they should fill this need.

6) DE, Arthur Moats, James Madison, 6'0" 250 Trying to find out if he is related to Ryan? Always looking for Dwight Freeney clone, Moats is leading the team in tackles (83) & sacks (11). has non-stop motor against lesser competition which is reason still on the board but reward worth risk here.

7) K, Leigh Tiffin, Alabama, 6'1" 212 One of the top kickers in the country, really respect Chris & think he's a great guy but when the pressure is on he tends to miss key opportunities that can either win or lose games. He did it in Pittsburgh & now Houston. We'll see some big games coming up for Alabama against Florida & possibly beyond if they win so his mettle will be tested @ the highest level.Good job & I'd be very satisfied, but.. still don't see Smithiac drafting a back especially this type in first round. As I posted somewhere last week, Two guys at Walters have Texans taking Jonathan Dwyer in first. I really hope I'm surprised. I like Cox and mentioned him to a visitor from another team about 3 weeks ago. Don't think he will be avail in 2nd for us. I am looking at # 24 for now.

3rd OLB? Not for me thanks. We are set there with three starters and a good back up in Bentley. You can get a good OLB in 6th. Can we do better than DIles? SUre but use the pick better elsewhere. Need to address free safety. I am ok with your DT in 5th but I have Neal from Purdue in 4th. 6'4"302 4.96.

4th I am not going TE here either. Unless Dreesen blows it over the rest of season, I will go with what we have + WRs such as JJ and Walters getting more.

5. I have Austin here and good chance he might be gone. If it goes your way, let's celebrate. He will be an awesome addition similar to Caldwell. He plays all OLine spots too.

beerlover
11-16-2009, 03:12 PM
Good job & I'd be very satisfied, but.. still don't see Smithiac drafting a back especially this type in first round. As I posted somewhere last week, Two guys at Walters have Texans taking Jonathan Dwyer in first. I really hope I'm surprised. I like Cox and mentioned him to a visitor from another team about 3 weeks ago. Don't think he will be avail in 2nd for us. I am looking at # 24 for now.

3rd OLB? Not for me thanks. We are set there with three starters and a good back up in Bentley. You can get a good OLB in 6th. Can we do better than DIles? SUre but use the pick better elsewhere. Need to address free safety. I am ok with your DT in 5th but I have Neal from Purdue in 4th. 6'4"302 4.96.

4th I am not going TE here either. Unless Dreesen blows it over the rest of season, I will go with what we have + WRs such as JJ and Walters getting more.

5. I have Austin here and good chance he might be gone. If it goes your way, let's celebrate. He will be an awesome addition similar to Caldwell. He plays all OLine spots too.

solid feeback, thanks :beer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOCKIwYzkV0

rmartin65
11-16-2009, 05:04 PM
Still bye week so made some adjustments based off this weekends results both College & NFL.

1) RB, Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. Type of big, ball control back elite teams covet to control end of games situations like Colts/Patriots last night. Stanford seems to have a very solid OL, they finish their blocking assingments & proficient in both run blocking/pass protection, if that breaks down they have a big mobile, strong QB Andrew Luck that looks like the second coming of Elway throwing on the run outside the pocket or just taking it for the conversion himself. But here is the deal, everybody knows Toby is going to get the rock & still he drives multiple tacklers backwards for an extra 2-3 yards every carry, those extra yards are key to favorable conversions & time of possession. The last two weeks against top 10 teams he has amassed 401 yds. rushing & 6 TD's & gang tackling aside teams cannot stop him. Given the Texans need to improve their run game, complimenting Steve Slaton & Ryan Moats it's a perfect fit.

2) CB, Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State, 6'0" 195 Very difficult to commit to any one cornerback, just know the Texans will be prepared to take the best one available who fits their system. After watching Perrish shutdown Texas Tech & perform at an elite level, came up on the first series of the game to the line of scrimmage & took out the RB als vintage Dunta Robinson technique, the next play he dove & intercepted an underthrown ball in the endzone. Reminds me of Jarirus Byrd, drafted last year out of Oregon, then drafted in the 2nd rd. by Buffalo now leading the NFL with 8 Int's. Both appear to have the skill set to play both corner or safety have good ball anticipation & tackling ability. Does have better speed so I would expect him to play CB next level but he does give you added versatility.

3) OLB, A.J. Edds, Iowa, 6'4" 244 Changed from J.D. Walton because I expect him to be off the board w/combination of doubt Texans would use consecutive 3rd picks on a C/OG. Edds is no small consolation prize, he is one of the premier cover weakside linebackers in the country & compliments what the Texans currently have. Has excellent range & length to shorten field & throwing windows.

4) TE, Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 Based off feedback & my own feelings that Tony will be a legit NFL TE who fits the slot ala Owen Daniels as well inline blocking ability as well downfield I'm not going to submit waiting til later. Owen will be coming off ACL & has a contract yet to be inked so at this writing alot of things are still in the air. As situation evolves Tony could rise higher on my Texan board, David Thomas drafted out of Texas in 06 in 3rd rd. by New England (Acquired by Saints from New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 seventh-round draft choice) had 5 receptions.

5) DT, Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries. Has two sacks against Baylor, JD aside not his man, but solid game all around with 5 solo tackles 3 for a loss (-14). Tied for 6th on a dominant Texas defense, 5 sacks for 30 yards loss & 2 fumbles recovered.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson trade w/San Diego) OG/C, Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6'3" 310 If everything goes according to plan Gibbs should be able to complete his OL before retirement. Another ZBS versatile and dependable interior lineman, filling out depth chart. Continue to address the interior of the Texans OL, remember the Texans traded a 6th for Chris Myers somewhere here in the 5th/6th they should fill this need.

6) DE, Arthur Moats, James Madison, 6'0" 250 Trying to find out if he is related to Ryan? Always looking for Dwight Freeney clone, Moats is leading the team in tackles (83) & sacks (11). has non-stop motor against lesser competition which is reason still on the board but reward worth risk here.

7) K, Leigh Tiffin, Alabama, 6'1" 212 One of the top kickers in the country, really respect Chris & think he's a great guy but when the pressure is on he tends to miss key opportunities that can either win or lose games. He did it in Pittsburgh & now Houston. We'll see some big games coming up for Alabama against Florida & possibly beyond if they win so his mettle will be tested @ the highest level.

This draft has the rmartin65 seal of approval

1) Keep preaching the Gerhart pick. People will come around.

2) Cox is a good pick, a corner should be the pick. Cox has return value as well.

3) I like Edds, and it would set the LB core up spectacularly. But it is not a need. I would be ok with the pick, but I would prefer OL depth.

4) I feel the same way about Moeki as I did with Edds. Good pick, but not exactly a need. This changes if OD is not re-signed.

5) I like this pick, DT depth is necessary.

6) Good pick, if he is still there.

6) I could go with this pick. I have another small school end on my radar, but Moats is a worthy project.

7) I dont know about the kicker. I know Brown missed that FG, but he has been fairly consistent.

badboy
11-16-2009, 05:14 PM
Do either of you think Thomas Austin is going that low? I have in 5th now and I think that is probably too low. Hope I'm wrong. I think guards will not have the priority this year and that helps us.

rmartin65
11-16-2009, 08:35 PM
Do either of you think Thomas Austin is going that low? I have in 5th now and I think that is probably too low. Hope I'm wrong. I think guards will not have the priority this year and that helps us.

I dont think that he will, but Guards drop in the draft. I consider this plausible, but unlikely. That is why I am down with the pick and did not make a big deal about it.

beerlover
11-24-2009, 03:18 AM
Still bye week so made some adjustments based off this weekends results both College & NFL.

1) RB, Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. Type of big, ball control back elite teams covet to control end of games situations like Colts/Patriots last night. Stanford seems to have a very solid OL, they finish their blocking assingments & proficient in both run blocking/pass protection, if that breaks down they have a big mobile, strong QB Andrew Luck that looks like the second coming of Elway throwing on the run outside the pocket or just taking it for the conversion himself. But here is the deal, everybody knows Toby is going to get the rock & still he drives multiple tacklers backwards for an extra 2-3 yards every carry, those extra yards are key to favorable conversions & time of possession. The last two weeks against top 10 teams he has amassed 401 yds. rushing & 6 TD's & gang tackling aside teams cannot stop him. Given the Texans need to improve their run game, complimenting Steve Slaton & Ryan Moats it's a perfect fit.

2) CB, Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State, 6'0" 195 Very difficult to commit to any one cornerback, just know the Texans will be prepared to take the best one available who fits their system. After watching Perrish shutdown Texas Tech & perform at an elite level, came up on the first series of the game to the line of scrimmage & took out the RB als vintage Dunta Robinson technique, the next play he dove & intercepted an underthrown ball in the endzone. Reminds me of Jarirus Byrd, drafted last year out of Oregon, then drafted in the 2nd rd. by Buffalo now leading the NFL with 8 Int's. Both appear to have the skill set to play both corner or safety have good ball anticipation & tackling ability. Does have better speed so I would expect him to play CB next level but he does give you added versatility.

3) OLB, A.J. Edds, Iowa, 6'4" 244 Changed from J.D. Walton because I expect him to be off the board w/combination of doubt Texans would use consecutive 3rd picks on a C/OG. Edds is no small consolation prize, he is one of the premier cover weakside linebackers in the country & compliments what the Texans currently have. Has excellent range & length to shorten field & throwing windows.

4) TE, Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 Based off feedback & my own feelings that Tony will be a legit NFL TE who fits the slot ala Owen Daniels as well inline blocking ability as well downfield I'm not going to submit waiting til later. Owen will be coming off ACL & has a contract yet to be inked so at this writing alot of things are still in the air. As situation evolves Tony could rise higher on my Texan board, David Thomas drafted out of Texas in 06 in 3rd rd. by New England (Acquired by Saints from New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 seventh-round draft choice) had 5 receptions.

5) DT, Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries. Has two sacks against Baylor, JD aside not his man, but solid game all around with 5 solo tackles 3 for a loss (-14). Tied for 6th on a dominant Texas defense, 5 sacks for 30 yards loss & 2 fumbles recovered.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson trade w/San Diego) OG/C, Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6'3" 310 If everything goes according to plan Gibbs should be able to complete his OL before retirement. Another ZBS versatile and dependable interior lineman, filling out depth chart. Continue to address the interior of the Texans OL, remember the Texans traded a 6th for Chris Myers somewhere here in the 5th/6th they should fill this need.

6) DE, Arthur Moats, James Madison, 6'0" 250 Trying to find out if he is related to Ryan? Always looking for Dwight Freeney clone, Moats is leading the team in tackles (83) & sacks (11). has non-stop motor against lesser competition which is reason still on the board but reward worth risk here.

7) K, Leigh Tiffin, Alabama, 6'1" 212 One of the top kickers in the country, really respect Chris & think he's a great guy but when the pressure is on he tends to miss key opportunities that can either win or lose games. He did it in Pittsburgh & now Houston. We'll see some big games coming up for Alabama against Florida & possibly beyond if they win so his mettle will be tested @ the highest level.

bump -

what we learned tonight against the Titans-

Need a possession back who can also score in the red zone - Toby meets this need
Dunta is playing his last games as a Texan, the second offer if there is one will be much less than the first one - Cox addresses the next most important need
Cushing is a standout SAM we need to bookend him with a standout WIL - Edds is standout in coverage
Without Owens this offense looks lost, maybe its just Schaub, we need Owens or another TE like him, while I like Casey he is still rough & will the Texans pony up & pay Owen coming off ACL?
Instead of spending high picks on the DL lets approach it bottom up & take someone with the talent who is hungry to earn a big contract - Lamarr has been really looking good as of late, not sure he'll still be here but if he is would be excellent pick
Interior Line play is less than good, from penaltys, to allowing too many sacks & inability to create running lanes, another OG needs to be added & sooner rather than later - Thomas Austin is a beast, for a later rd. pick another excellent value.
Pass Rush. Did the Texans have ONE against Tennessee? Again go with a later round pick, take someone on the way up from a smaller school with everything to prove, after 8 years of little to nothing at some point the Texans have got to get lucky - Moats is a bluecollar, high motor kid who competes & produces sacks & TFL's
Sorry but that's end of the line for Chris here as a Texan, two games in a row unable to connect on game ending FG's. Texans need to be accountable & show they are willing to take corrective action - Tiffen is ranked #2 in the country w/25 FG made, 4-5 form 40-49 yards & 1-1 50+

LonerATO
11-24-2009, 03:22 AM
bump -

what we learned tonight against the Titans-

Need a possession back who can also score in the red zone - Toby meets this need
Dunta is playing his last games as a Texan, the second offer if there is one will be much less than the first one - Cox addresses the next most important need
Cushing is a standout SAM we need to bookend him with a standout WIL - Edds is standout in coverage
Without Owens this offense looks lost, maybe its just Schaub, we need Owens or another TE like him, while I like Casey he is still rough & will the Texans pony up & pay Owen coming off ACL?
Instead of spending high picks on the DL lets approach it bottom up & take someone with the talent who is hungry to earn a big contract - Lamarr has been really looking good as of late, not sure he'll still be here but if he is would be excellent pick
Interior Line play is less than good, from penaltys, to allowing too many sacks & inability to create running lanes, another OG needs to be added & sooner rather than later - Thomas Austin is a beast, for a later rd. pick another excellent value.
Pass Rush. Did the Texans have ONE against Tennessee? Again go with a later round pick, take someone on the way up from a smaller school with everything to prove, after 8 years of little to nothing at some point the Texans have got to get lucky - Moats is a bluecollar, high motor kid who competes & produces sacks & TFL's
Sorry but that's end of the line for Chris here as a Texan, two games in a row unable to connect on game ending FG's. Texans need to be accountable & show they are willing to take corrective action - Tiffen is ranked #2 in the country w/25 FG made, 4-5 form 40-49 yards & 1-1 50+


I think Houston will light it up at the Combine and I think the Texans could snag Graham Gano as a kicker(he must hate the UFL).

bah007
11-24-2009, 03:32 AM
When the dust settles I think Lamarr Houston will be a third round pick. This is only his second year as a DT so he still has room to grow.

rmartin65
11-24-2009, 12:07 PM
After seeing KB miss another one to send the game into overtime, I am on the draft a kicker bandwagon as well. Or sign one. Jesus Christ, just get rid of Brown. I dont even want to see him in a Texans uniform next year. I turned off the TV last night when I saw him walk out onto the field. I knew he would miss. I turned off the TV and went to bed. And behold, I woke up this morning, watched Sportscenter, and he missed.

Get a new damn kicker!

beerlover
11-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Should add: it's wait & see mode in regards to Kubiak/Rick Smith future & how this impacts the draft. Also I expected to have a much higher pick slot instead it looks like we're stuck again @ #15 :kitten:

YoungTexanFan
11-28-2009, 03:06 AM
I just can't jump on board with a first round RB. We need defensive help. I've seen Cox play a good handful of times, and he's boom or bust. Most of my friends at OSU don't like him. I don't grade him in the second round either way. Houston is going to jump. I think 3rd round is probably solid. I've seen him play in person a few times and I've seen UT on film plenty. I'm impressed with him. I'm not impressed with Kindle. I don't think Kindle is a first round talent. I'm all for taking a kicker.

My favorite player in the entire draft is McClain from Bama. I would move DeMeco in a heartbeat for this kid, or put this kid at the WILL. I don't care. I would take this guy regardless of anything. I'm calling him the DROY already.

YoungTexanFan
11-28-2009, 03:09 AM
double post.

badboy
12-01-2009, 11:50 AM
Should add: it's wait & see mode in regards to Kubiak/Rick Smith future & how this impacts the draft. Also I expected to have a much higher pick slot instead it looks like we're stuck again @ #15 :kitten:I have dropped us from # 22 to #15 also after last two humiliations. Man, vacation last week was a bummer with 2 losses in one week.

WolverineFan
12-02-2009, 02:30 AM
I just can't jump on board with a first round RB. We need defensive help. I've seen Cox play a good handful of times, and he's boom or bust. Most of my friends at OSU don't like him. I don't grade him in the second round either way. Houston is going to jump. I think 3rd round is probably solid. I've seen him play in person a few times and I've seen UT on film plenty. I'm impressed with him. I'm not impressed with Kindle. I don't think Kindle is a first round talent. I'm all for taking a kicker.

My favorite player in the entire draft is McClain from Bama. I would move DeMeco in a heartbeat for this kid, or put this kid at the WILL. I don't care. I would take this guy regardless of anything. I'm calling him the DROY already.

Agreed. My favorite players in this draft are Eric Berry and Earl Thomas (if he comes out) then McClain. He is an absolute beast. He lines everybody up on defense and makes all the calls (very impressive for a college LB to be able to do this in Nick Saban's scheme). He also makes all the calls on the fly after the offense makes adjustments to their alignment.

He is the #1 reason that Alabama defense has been stellar the past two seasons. Terrence Cody has had a minimal impact compared to this guy.

However, he is a MLB pure and simple. I wouldn't mind moving Demeco outside to WILL though and placing McClain at MLB. With Cushing at SAM we would have one of the NFL's best LB cores in a matter of years. Kid is a flat out player.

badboy
12-02-2009, 02:06 PM
Agreed. My favorite players in this draft are Eric Berry and Earl Thomas (if he comes out) then McClain. He is an absolute beast. He lines everybody up on defense and makes all the calls (very impressive for a college LB to be able to do this in Nick Saban's scheme). He also makes all the calls on the fly after the offense makes adjustments to their alignment.

He is the #1 reason that Alabama defense has been stellar the past two seasons. Terrence Cody has had a minimal impact compared to this guy.

However, he is a MLB pure and simple. I wouldn't mind moving Demeco outside to WILL though and placing McClain at MLB. With Cushing at SAM we would have one of the NFL's best LB cores in a matter of years. Kid is a flat out player.Would you be ok with Reeves on one side and Quin on other with FS Thomas on Quin's side? I think DR is out of here.

WolverineFan
12-02-2009, 02:18 PM
Would you be ok with Reeves on one side and Quin on other with FS Thomas on Quin's side? I think DR is out of here.

Reeves is a very underrated CB. He has very good coverage skills, but terrible ball skills. Quin has been very impressive early on. Preferably we would take Joe Haden and Reeves would play in the nickel where his skills are more utilized. Either way if we could get either Haden, McClain, or Thomas (heard he's not coming out though) then I would be happy.

With Haden we get a lockdown CB, but ignore our need at Safety.

With McClain we ignore our needs in the secondary, but begin to create the best LB core in the league with Cushing, Ryans, & McClain.

With Thomas we suddenly have 2 very good safeties with him and Pollard, but we ignore our need at CB.

However, any of these scenarios instantly improves our defense and I'm a defensive guy so I love that.

badboy
12-02-2009, 03:25 PM
Reeves is a very underrated CB. He has very good coverage skills, but terrible ball skills. Quin has been very impressive early on. Preferably we would take Joe Haden and Reeves would play in the nickel where his skills are more utilized. Either way if we could get either Haden, McClain, or Thomas (heard he's not coming out though) then I would be happy.

With Haden we get a lockdown CB, but ignore our need at Safety.

With McClain we ignore our needs in the secondary, but begin to create the best LB core in the league with Cushing, Ryans, & McClain.

With Thomas we suddenly have 2 very good safeties with him and Pollard, but we ignore our need at CB.

However, any of these scenarios instantly improves our defense and I'm a defensive guy so I love that.If we draft around #15 we should be able to get a CB, FS OG and Center as all but Guard are fairly deep. I want a power back and there are not many of them.

Haden CB; Gerhart RB;Mike Johnson OG;Mike Neal DT; Thomas Austin C; Robert Johnson FS/CB (Utah) and Tyler Sash SS covers my needs.

mussop
12-02-2009, 03:41 PM
If we draft around #15 we should be able to get a CB, FS OG and Center as all but Guard are fairly deep. I want a power back and there are not many of them.

Haden CB; Gerhart RB;Mike Johnson OG;Mike Neal DT; Thomas Austin C; Robert Johnson FS/CB (Utah) and Tyler Sash SS covers my needs.

Every year quality guards fall to the 3rd round an down. I still think we have to go BPA in round 1 and 2 and then possibly we can start filling needs.

treduke
12-02-2009, 03:49 PM
someone i would love to see the texans draft is terrence cody from alabama!
and i know the trojans are having a down year and he's battled some injuries but i'll still take taylor mays if he's on the board!

YoungTexanFan
12-02-2009, 03:51 PM
Every year quality guards fall to the 3rd round an down. I still think we have to go BPA in round 1 and 2 and then possibly we can start filling needs.

This is usually true, though I was all about taking Brandon Albert in the first round as an OG. Then some morons decided that he would make a great NFL LT. That's working out well. The Chiefs are still looking for an NFL LT and there are talks up here about moving him back to his natural LG spot and drafting a real LT. I thought he had All-Pro potential as an OG. But otherwise, I do agree with your point.

badboy
12-02-2009, 03:53 PM
someone i would love to see the texans draft is terrence cody from alabama!
and i know the trojans are having a down year and he's battled some injuries but i'll still take taylor mays if he's on the board!Tell me what you like about Cody. I was a big Mays fan early this season but he is having a very average year. He will go in first but I am leaning elswhere with my first and probably just go with Wilson again next year. I am still trying to create a new mock after losing 2 games last week. Let's talk about your Nose Tackle.

badboy
12-02-2009, 03:55 PM
This is usually true, though I was all about taking Brandon Albert in the first round as an OG. Then some morons decided that he would make a great NFL LT. That's working out well. The Chiefs are still looking for an NFL LT and there are talks up here about moving him back to his natural LG spot and drafting a real LT. I thought he had All-Pro potential as an OG. But otherwise, I do agree with your point.YTF, what can you give me on OG Mike Johnson? I am looking at him in round three. Will he work well in the ZBS if we keep it next year. I am worried about recent info at draftscout.com that was posted yesterday.

treduke
12-02-2009, 04:20 PM
Tell me what you like about Cody. I was a big Mays fan early this season but he is having a very average year. He will go in first but I am leaning elswhere with my first and probably just go with Wilson again next year. I am still trying to create a new mock after losing 2 games last week. Let's talk about your Nose Tackle.
i dont know if you're trying to pick on the new guy or what but here goes!
cody clogs the middle of one the best defenses in the country! ask any inside lb what his best friend is and they probably tell you a big nasty dt who keeps those hogs busy! he brings as nastiness that honestly the texans could use up front! would love suh or Mccoy from oklahoma but thats wishful thinking! at 6'5 and about 385 i think he needs to lose some weight and work on his lateral quickness cause from watching him the last couple of weeks i think he sometimes stuggles to shed blocks! that's my opinion! i'm not mel kiper or todd mc shay just a guy who watches alot of football!:tv:

badboy
12-02-2009, 04:25 PM
i dont know if you're trying to pick on the new guy or what but here goes!
cody clogs the middle of one the best defenses in the country! ask any inside lb what his best friend is and they probably tell you a big nasty dt who keeps those hogs busy! he brings as nastiness that honestly the texans could use up front! would love suh or Mccoy from oklahoma but thats wishful thinking! at 6'5 and about 385 i think he needs to lose some weight and work on his lateral quickness cause from watching him the last couple of weeks i think he sometimes stuggles to shed blocks! that's my opinion! i'm not mel kiper or todd mc shay just a guy who watches alot of football!:tv:No picking intended. If you review my posts I am a draft nut. I change mocks about weekly and am always looking for info. I'll respond on Cody in a bit. Welcome to the jungle.

rmartin65
12-02-2009, 04:35 PM
If we draft around #15 we should be able to get a CB, FS OG and Center as all but Guard are fairly deep. I want a power back and there are not many of them.

Haden CB; Gerhart RB;Mike Johnson OG;Mike Neal DT; Thomas Austin C; Robert Johnson FS/CB (Utah) and Tyler Sash SS covers my needs.

Now that is a draft I could get behind. Only thing, Sash is a RS Soph, so there is no way in hell he comes out if he is not a first day guy. I would look for a special teamer here, a kicker maybe (if there is one valued high enough), or a linebacker.

rmartin65
12-02-2009, 04:40 PM
i dont know if you're trying to pick on the new guy or what but here goes!
cody clogs the middle of one the best defenses in the country! ask any inside lb what his best friend is and they probably tell you a big nasty dt who keeps those hogs busy! he brings as nastiness that honestly the texans could use up front! would love suh or Mccoy from oklahoma but thats wishful thinking! at 6'5 and about 385 i think he needs to lose some weight and work on his lateral quickness cause from watching him the last couple of weeks i think he sometimes stuggles to shed blocks! that's my opinion! i'm not mel kiper or todd mc shay just a guy who watches alot of football!:tv:

First- Welcome to the board. And its great to see another guy enthused about the draft.

Second- Chill on the exclamation points a little.

Now, to your ideas. Cody is (in my opinion) best suited for the NT in a 3-4. I do not see him having too much of an impact in a 4-3, he is just too slow and unconditioned. It would be great to have a big DT plugging up the lanes, but the DT's in a 4-3 need to get at least a little bit of pressure on the QB. Cody looks like a man amongst boys out there because of his size. I think if you put him against the pros, he becomes very average. He is huge, but there is so much fat. I would be surprised if he lifts 30 reps this combine. Also, the Alabama D is stacked. They have players with pro potential at just about every position. That makes him look better than he is.

badboy
12-02-2009, 04:44 PM
Treduke, Historically I have called for a big NT to stop the run as Kubiac has identified the need to stop the run as a "Priority need" last two seasons but did nothing to address that in last two drafts. Well, he did pick Okam in 4th but that has been a dud. After a weak start to the season, Bush has been able to keep the yards down below 100 for most part and by using "lighter" DTs. Let's look at Terrence Cody. He started 12 games in 2008 and was credited with 24 tackles 7 of which were solo. So far this year he has 22 tackles. A Dlineman averaging only two tackles a game does not float my boat. Yeah, he does clog the middle but how much of Alabama's defensive success is his? I would not give a 2nd for him to be honest. Those big boys usually have a problem keeping the weight down also. To give credit he did block two field goals.

badboy
12-02-2009, 04:47 PM
Now that is a draft I could get behind. Only thing, Sash is a RS Soph, so there is no way in hell he comes out if he is not a first day guy. I would look for a special teamer here, a kicker maybe (if there is one valued high enough), or a linebacker.If Sash get a rating anything higher than a 5th he ought to fall on his knees and thank mama. No offense but no one knows the guy. He needs to get on an NFL team and get some coaching and work his way off special teams. Can't do that chasing college girls.

treduke
12-02-2009, 04:56 PM
First- Welcome to the board. And its great to see another guy enthused about the draft.

Second- Chill on the exclamation points a little.

Now, to your ideas. Cody is (in my opinion) best suited for the NT in a 3-4. I do not see him having too much of an impact in a 4-3, he is just too slow and unconditioned. It would be great to have a big DT plugging up the lanes, but the DT's in a 4-3 need to get at least a little bit of pressure on the QB. Cody looks like a man amongst boys out there because of his size. I think if you put him against the pros, he becomes very average. He is huge, but there is so much fat. I would be surprised if he lifts 30 reps this combine. Also, the Alabama D is stacked. They have players with pro potential at just about every position. That makes him look better than he is.
first- thanks for the welcome
second-sorry about all the exclamation points
with all the cowher talk and rumors that most likely means a switch to a 3-4 and i do agree with the fact that he is overweight as far as the d being stacked i call that the trojan syndrome when you have so many good players on a team some do tend be be a little overrated that being said if cody gets into a good situation i think he'll be a good pro

badboy
12-02-2009, 05:02 PM
first- thanks for the welcome
second-sorry about all the exclamation points
with all the cowher talk and rumors that most likely means a switch to a 3-4 and i do agree with the fact that he is overweight as far as the d being stacked i call that the trojan syndrome when you have so many good players on a team some do tend be be a little overrated that being said if cody gets into a good situation i think he'll be a good proNot to gang up but I think an ZBS offense like ours would run Cody ragged. I just don't see him keeping up. Not saying he can't get in shape but wow. He should have more tackles by guys just running into him and bouncing to the ground.

Any one else you like? Give us some ideas on who you would pick for Texans in next draft.

treduke
12-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Not to gang up but I think an ZBS offense like ours would run Cody ragged. I just don't see him keeping up. Not saying he can't get in shape but wow. He should have more tackles by guys just running into him and bouncing to the ground.

Any one else you like? Give us some ideas on who you would pick for Texans in next draft.
one last thought on mt. cody i would not spend a 1st on him or even a 2nd for that matter i watch alot of big 12 football and another guy i like is parish cox as guy that could still be around in the mid-rounds 6'0 about 195 runs a 4.3 very good return guy which would allow jacoby to focus more on being a receiver he does take some risks and needs work on his tackling but with some good coaching that wont be a big issue

beerlover
12-02-2009, 08:32 PM
one last thought on mt. cody i would not spend a 1st on him or even a 2nd for that matter i watch alot of big 12 football and another guy i like is parish cox as guy that could still be around in the mid-rounds 6'0 about 195 runs a 4.3 very good return guy which would allow jacoby to focus more on being a receiver he does take some risks and needs work on his tackling but with some good coaching that wont be a big issue

I doubt Kubiak & staff get the boot but if somehow Texans switch to a 3-4 Cody would have to be in the mix, you simply cannot run this defense without a massive run stopper in the middle. He is elite to NT position if a team has such a need he will surely be targeted :cow:

rmartin65
12-02-2009, 08:35 PM
I doubt Kubiak & staff get the boot but if somehow Texans switch to a 3-4 Cody would have to be in the mix, you simply cannot run this defense without a massive run stopper in the middle. He is elite to NT position if a team has such a need he will surely be targeted :cow:

Just curious, you see Cody as an elite prospect? Por que?

beerlover
12-02-2009, 08:59 PM
Just curious, you see Cody as an elite prospect? Por que?

its kinda funny but his teammate last year stole the show @ the combine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0ysfkUxuw & still got drafted #6 overall by Cincinnati, I would call that elite. so it would not surprise me if Cody learned nothing from this & just went about his buisness like Andre did cause in the end 6'4" 370 lb DT's don't grow on trees. It is important for him to be reached by his coaches & they manuver a route he can develop some better work habits with an incentive layden contract which sets both weight, conditioning & strength goals.

rmartin65
12-02-2009, 09:04 PM
its kinda funny but his teammate last year stole the show @ the combine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0ysfkUxuw & still got drafted #6 overall by Cincinnati, I would call that elite. so it would not surprise me if Cody learned nothing from this & just went about his buisness like Andre did cause in the end 6'4" 370 lb DT's don't grow on trees. It is important for him to be reached by his coaches & they manuver a route he can develop some better work habits with an incentive layden contract which sets both weight, conditioning & strength goals.

Hmm. I just worry when players dont control their weight. I mean, if they cant put in the effort to get into the NFL, what will they do once they sign a bigass contract?

I will admit, if he can get his weight down to 335-350, and build some strength, he could be a good player. I still see him being drafted by a 3-4 team though. DT's in the 4-3 need to at least threaten the QB. Cody is averaging what, a sack per year?

mussop
12-02-2009, 09:16 PM
This is usually true, though I was all about taking Brandon Albert in the first round as an OG. Then some morons decided that he would make a great NFL LT. That's working out well. The Chiefs are still looking for an NFL LT and there are talks up here about moving him back to his natural LG spot and drafting a real LT. I thought he had All-Pro potential as an OG. But otherwise, I do agree with your point.

Hey im a build the trenches first guy so dont get me wrong. If one of the top OT's fell to us in the first round and I were GM, I would have the card turned in before they finished announcing the previous picks name. IMO you just dont pass up elite OL unless its for an elite DL.

Now, to your ideas. Cody is (in my opinion) best suited for the NT in a 3-4. I do not see him having too much of an impact in a 4-3, he is just too slow and unconditioned. It would be great to have a big DT plugging up the lanes, but the DT's in a 4-3 need to get at least a little bit of pressure on the QB. Cody looks like a man amongst boys out there because of his size. I think if you put him against the pros, he becomes very average. He is huge, but there is so much fat. I would be surprised if he lifts 30 reps this combine. Also, the Alabama D is stacked. They have players with pro potential at just about every position. That makes him look better than he is.

I think the conditioning theory has been a little overhyped. His conditioning has gotten better every year. He came into this year around 350 and in the best shape of his Bama career. He's shown the right attitude and worked hard. And while you say the other good players around him make him look better, I couldnt agree less. In the 3/4 the nose tackle and the inside linebackers, those are three guys that are very important. But when you go through it, the nose tackle is probably the single-most important guy. Because he demands double teams it frees up Rolondo McClain and the other defendars to make plays. He beats his man 1 on 1 the majority of the time so teams have to double him. Auburn tried to start off single blocking him on the first play of the game and Cody plowed throught tthe guy and tackled the RB behind the line of scrimage.

Watch him when he has to pursue a play, he doesnt give up and just stop like a guy that has bad conditioning. He hustles for a guy his size. Now im not saying he could run a marothon but he has good conditioning for a guy his size. Even Saben raved about Cody’s work ethic and character. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/sports/ncaafootball/06alabama.html) He reminds me alot of Gilbert Brown the DT for the Packers in their latest glory days. I think some 3/4 team is going to pick him and he will do exactly what they drafted him for and do it well.

Let's look at Terrence Cody. He started 12 games in 2008 and was credited with 24 tackles 7 of which were solo. So far this year he has 22 tackles. A Dlineman averaging only two tackles a game does not float my boat. Yeah, he does clog the middle but how much of Alabama's defensive success is his? I would not give a 2nd for him to be honest. Those big boys usually have a problem keeping the weight down also. To give credit he did block two field goals.

You just dont rack up stats as a 3/4 NT. How can you judge him for tackles when his main job is to tie up blockers? I agree he wouldnt be the same in our 4/3 but he is more than capable of performing well at whats required of a 3/4 N.

If we were to hire Cowher and switched to a 3/4, I wouldnt be unhappy if we drafted Cody in the first.

beerlover
12-02-2009, 11:38 PM
Hey im a build the trenches first guy so dont get me wrong. If one of the top OT's fell to us in the first round and I were GM, I would have the card turned in before they finished announcing the previous picks name. IMO you just dont pass up elite OL unless its for an elite DL.

I think the conditioning theory has been a little overhyped. His conditioning has gotten better every year. He came into this year around 350 and in the best shape of his Bama career. He's shown the right attitude and worked hard. And while you say the other good players around him make him look better, I couldnt agree less. In the 3/4 the nose tackle and the inside linebackers, those are three guys that are very important. But when you go through it, the nose tackle is probably the single-most important guy. Because he demands double teams it frees up Rolondo McClain and the other defendars to make plays. He beats his man 1 on 1 the majority of the time so teams have to double him. Auburn tried to start off single blocking him on the first play of the game and Cody plowed throught tthe guy and tackled the RB behind the line of scrimage.

Watch him when he has to pursue a play, he doesnt give up and just stop like a guy that has bad conditioning. He hustles for a guy his size. Now im not saying he could run a marothon but he has good conditioning for a guy his size. Even Saben raved about Cody’s work ethic and character. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/sports/ncaafootball/06alabama.html) He reminds me alot of Gilbert Brown the DT for the Packers in their latest glory days. I think some 3/4 team is going to pick him and he will do exactly what they drafted him for and do it well.

You just dont rack up stats as a 3/4 NT. How can you judge him for tackles when his main job is to tie up blockers? I agree he wouldnt be the same in our 4/3 but he is more than capable of performing well at whats required of a 3/4 N.

If we were to hire Cowher and switched to a 3/4, I wouldnt be unhappy if we drafted Cody in the first.

This post pretty much sums it all up. good job :)

If we all got together & came up with a top 32 draft board of elite prospects Terrence Cody would be on that list as the premier NT in the nation. with increase in popularity of the 3-4 you can bet several teams will bring him in for private workouts following his combine & pro-day :cool:

mussop
12-03-2009, 01:25 AM
This post pretty much sums it all up. good job :)

If we all got together & came up with a top 32 draft board of elite prospects Terrence Cody would be on that list as the premier NT in the nation. with increase in popularity of the 3-4 you can bet several teams will bring him in for private workouts following his combine & pro-day :cool:

Sad thing is he'll probably go to Denver and have to play in that high altitude. Poor guy. :)

badboy
12-03-2009, 09:35 AM
Every year quality guards fall to the 3rd round an down. I still think we have to go BPA in round 1 and 2 and then possibly we can start filling needs.I think we have discussed need versus BPA before but for the most part I am a need player first guy. The poblem with waiting until later to draft your need is no one may be there. I refer to most recent draft and Glen Coffee who was gone by our pick. If there is a player that appears to be just what you need Jon Asmoah for example, pull the trigger unless you can trade down a bit and still select him and get another pick. This guard is 6'4" 315 5.08 "good at traps and blocks and excellent at bull rushes."Illinois in 2008 had the leading passing offense in their conference. He was starter in a ZBS and is projected 2nd round & number two over all guard. Why not fill the position and remove Studdard? Could he slip to our pick in 3rd? I truly hope so because that would allow us to fill other needs. Who are your picks for first and second?

badboy
12-03-2009, 09:40 AM
This is usually true, though I was all about taking Brandon Albert in the first round as an OG. Then some morons decided that he would make a great NFL LT. That's working out well. The Chiefs are still looking for an NFL LT and there are talks up here about moving him back to his natural LG spot and drafting a real LT. I thought he had All-Pro potential as an OG. But otherwise, I do agree with your point.If I remember correctly there were many calling for Albert to be a tackle including many on this MB. Anyway, I hope he is move down the line and Chiefs go for a LT. This would push OG down a spot for us.

badboy
12-03-2009, 09:52 AM
one last thought on mt. cody i would not spend a 1st on him or even a 2nd for that matter i watch alot of big 12 football and another guy i like is parish cox as guy that could still be around in the mid-rounds 6'0 about 195 runs a 4.3 very good return guy which would allow jacoby to focus more on being a receiver he does take some risks and needs work on his tackling but with some good coaching that wont be a big issueIf we switched to a 3-4 and I don't think that will happen, I think Texans would try to get a NT from another team. If Cody was avail in 3rd, I'd think about it. Perrish Cox would be a very good fit and I have him rated going in 2nd round. On another thread, someone was talking a trade down to Patriots; our first for two of their three seconds which are all pretty high. I'd probably do that deal even if Haden was there for us in first. I am waffling though as I think Haden is best CB. If that trade happened and unlike most thown out there, it is doable. I like Gerhart RB; Asomoah LG and Cox as my three seconds and probably would go Morgan Burnett FS in the fourth. Anyone after that could be projects and we'd have a great draft.

badboy
12-03-2009, 09:57 AM
I doubt Kubiak & staff get the boot but if somehow Texans switch to a 3-4 Cody would have to be in the mix, you simply cannot run this defense without a massive run stopper in the middle. He is elite to NT position if a team has such a need he will surely be targeted :cow:I think Oakland has a big old NT that could be available. He is older but serviceable. I had him coming to Texans with ASO (CB)in trade for DR, Okoye, Okam and something else before trade deadline. I think Davis would take a third for him if we go 3-4.

badboy
12-03-2009, 10:11 AM
its kinda funny but his teammate last year stole the show @ the combine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0ysfkUxuw & still got drafted #6 overall by Cincinnati, I would call that elite. so it would not surprise me if Cody learned nothing from this & just went about his buisness like Andre did cause in the end 6'4" 370 lb DT's don't grow on trees. It is important for him to be reached by his coaches & they manuver a route he can develop some better work habits with an incentive layden contract which sets both weight, conditioning & strength goals. Whole lot of risk for a whole lot of cheeseburger.

badboy
12-03-2009, 10:36 AM
Hey im a build the trenches first guy so dont get me wrong. If one of the top OT's fell to us in the first round and I were GM, I would have the card turned in before they finished announcing the previous picks name. IMO you just dont pass up elite OL unless its for an elite DL.



I think the conditioning theory has been a little overhyped. His conditioning has gotten better every year. He came into this year around 350 and in the best shape of his Bama career. He's shown the right attitude and worked hard. And while you say the other good players around him make him look better, I couldnt agree less. In the 3/4 the nose tackle and the inside linebackers, those are three guys that are very important. But when you go through it, the nose tackle is probably the single-most important guy. Because he demands double teams it frees up Rolondo McClain and the other defendars to make plays. He beats his man 1 on 1 the majority of the time so teams have to double him. Auburn tried to start off single blocking him on the first play of the game and Cody plowed throught tthe guy and tackled the RB behind the line of scrimage.

Watch him when he has to pursue a play, he doesnt give up and just stop like a guy that has bad conditioning. He hustles for a guy his size. Now im not saying he could run a marothon but he has good conditioning for a guy his size. Even Saben raved about Cody’s work ethic and character. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/sports/ncaafootball/06alabama.html) He reminds me alot of Gilbert Brown the DT for the Packers in their latest glory days. I think some 3/4 team is going to pick him and he will do exactly what they drafted him for and do it well.



You just dont rack up stats as a 3/4 NT. How can you judge him for tackles when his main job is to tie up blockers? I agree he wouldnt be the same in our 4/3 but he is more than

If we were to hire Cowher and switched to a 3/4, I wouldnt be unhappy if we drafted Cody in the first.You do it like this; Dan Williams 6'2" 327 rated ahead of Cody 2008: 48 tackles 22 solo and the following:
11/18/09 - Tennessee senior defensive tackle Dan Williams is no doubt improving his NFL draft status. The Memphis native has 35 tackles the last six games. He’s also got seven quarterback hurries, 5.5 tackles for loss and a sack in that span. Teammates and opponents alike have dubbed him unblockable. Williams has spoken briefly with coach Lane Kiffin, who spent a season and a half with the NFL Oakland Raiders, about the NFL.“We never did get in depth into it. He just said, ‘Dan, just keep doing what you’re doing,”’ Williams said. Kiffin told him, “‘You’re doing good, and they’re talking good about you.’ For the most part, I think that’s good to hear, but my goals for this team are still trying to get us to a bowl game and just make sure I do everything I can do we can win,” Williams said. “If my play is helping us win, and it also helps me out in the long run, that’s a plus. But we don’t talk about it that much.” - AP Sports

11/17/09 - 11/17/09 NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee: Williams has steadily risen up NFL Draft boards because of performances such as the one he had in a losing effort against Ole Miss. His nine tackles led the team, and his 2009 total of 52 is third on the squad. That sort of production is a bit unusual for a defensive tackle not named Ndamukong Suh. Williams also had two tackles for loss, one of which came after a pass he batted went to Ole Miss C Daverin Geralds - it was the easiest tackle Williams had all year. One of his most impressive plays came early on, as Williams chased a scrambling QB Jevan Snead to the sideline to prevent a big run. Snead has decent speed, so the big man's hustle could not be ignored. Combining that chase with his strength on the line makes him an intriguing early-round nose tackle prospect. - Chad Reuter, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com

rmartin65
12-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Williams is my favorite NT in this draft. Cody just scares the crap out of me, I see him being a dud.

badboy
12-03-2009, 12:39 PM
Williams is my favorite NT in this draft. Cody just scares the crap out of me, I see him being a dud.Agreed. Cody may not be a dud but am nervous about him also. I don't see Cower or 3-4 for Texans next season.

beerlover
12-03-2009, 12:44 PM
unless there is a drastic coaching change coming I'll stick with my 4th rd. pick of - 4) DT Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries.

badboy
12-03-2009, 01:10 PM
unless there is a drastic coaching change coming I'll stick with my 4th rd. pick of -We are thinking alike. I have Mike Neal Purdue DT 6'4" 302 lbs 4.96 40 and 5.5 sack in 09 with 5 so far last I looked for this season in the fourth on my board. I am thinking of by passing a DT in draft due to possible free agents that should be helpful. I have Thomas Austin OC in 5th but am nervous he might be gone. If I go DT in free agency and move up Thomas I have my starting center who can also get reps at guard while he learns from Myers.

Brown, Asamoah, Thomas, Caldwell and Winston with Brisiel and Myers back ups. Then put a Dwyer or Gerhart in back field with Slaton.

rmartin65
12-03-2009, 01:42 PM
Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

JB
12-03-2009, 02:03 PM
Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

I would love that draft.

badboy
12-03-2009, 02:21 PM
Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.You lost me after round 4. I think we need a guard but when Brisiel returns he or Caldwell could go to LG I guess. We could use a back up tackle but Brown and Winston have been very steady and Rashad "what's his name" Butler would probably be better than a 5th round rookie. I'd replace JV with Thomas Austin C/G from Clemson. Wilson will probably start at FS but look at Robert Johnson Utah FS/CB 6'2" 200 4.52 in the 6th. I have him late in 5th as I am hoping TJ's trade is a bump up.

mussop
12-03-2009, 03:44 PM
You do it like this; Dan Williams 6'2" 327 rated ahead of Cody 2008: 48 tackles 22 solo and the following:
11/18/09 - Tennessee senior defensive tackle Dan Williams is no doubt improving his NFL draft status. The Memphis native has 35 tackles the last six games. He’s also got seven quarterback hurries, 5.5 tackles for loss and a sack in that span. Teammates and opponents alike have dubbed him unblockable. Williams has spoken briefly with coach Lane Kiffin, who spent a season and a half with the NFL Oakland Raiders, about the NFL.“We never did get in depth into it. He just said, ‘Dan, just keep doing what you’re doing,”’ Williams said. Kiffin told him, “‘You’re doing good, and they’re talking good about you.’ For the most part, I think that’s good to hear, but my goals for this team are still trying to get us to a bowl game and just make sure I do everything I can do we can win,” Williams said. “If my play is helping us win, and it also helps me out in the long run, that’s a plus. But we don’t talk about it that much.” - AP Sports

11/17/09 - 11/17/09 NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee: Williams has steadily risen up NFL Draft boards because of performances such as the one he had in a losing effort against Ole Miss. His nine tackles led the team, and his 2009 total of 52 is third on the squad. That sort of production is a bit unusual for a defensive tackle not named Ndamukong Suh. Williams also had two tackles for loss, one of which came after a pass he batted went to Ole Miss C Daverin Geralds - it was the easiest tackle Williams had all year. One of his most impressive plays came early on, as Williams chased a scrambling QB Jevan Snead to the sideline to prevent a big run. Snead has decent speed, so the big man's hustle could not be ignored. Combining that chase with his strength on the line makes him an intriguing early-round nose tackle prospect. - Chad Reuter, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com

Yeh I have read all that already. I could throw this in the disscusion.

11/23/09 - 2009 CHUCK BEDNARIK AWARD FINALIST (BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER): Terrence Cody, Alabama: The Crimson Tide defense leads the nation in total defense (225.18 ypg) and pass efficiency defense (82.5 rating) this season. Alabama is second in the SEC and second nationally in scoring defense (9.91 ppg) and second in the SEC and fifth nationally in pass defense (154.55 ypg) through 11 games. Alabama has held nine of its 11 opponents to less than 100 yards rushing and four of the 11 opponents to less than 200 total yards in a game. Alabama has held six teams to a touchdown or less this season. Cody has recorded 22 tackles, including five tackles of loss (-10 yards), two quarterback pressures and one pass breakup for the nation's second-ranked team. He recorded three tackles and blocked a school-record tying two field goals in the Tide's 12-10 win over Tennessee on Oct. 24. He was named the AT&T All-America and SEC Defensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Vols, which included two blocked kicks in the final 10 minutes of the game, with the second one coming on the game's final play. The announcement of the winner of Bednarik Award will be made during the Home Depot ESPNU College Football Awards Show that will be broadcast on ESPN on Thursday Dec. 10, 2009. The formal presentation of these awards will be made at the Maxwell Football Club's Awards Dinner, to be held on Friday, March 5, 2010 at the Harrah's Entertainment Complex in Atlantic City, New Jersey. - Alabama football

11/20/09 - 2009 BRONKO NAGURSKI AWARD FINALIST: Alabama senior nose guard Terrence Cody has been named one of five finalists for the 2009 Bronko Nagurski Trophy, the Football Writers Association and the Charlotte (N.C.) Touchdown Club announced Thursday. The FWAA's National Defensive Player of the Year Award is named after Bronko Nagurski, who dominated college football at Minnesota as a bruising fullback and defensive tackle from 1927-29. He could have been an All-American at any position playing 60 minutes and was the best player wherever he lined up. A member of the 2008 FWAA All-America team, Cody anchors an Alabama defensive front the leads the SEC and ranks second nationally in rushing defense. The Crimson Tide has allowed only 2.4 yards per play and 72.8 yards per game this season. In addition, the Tide defense ranks second nationally and second in the SEC in scoring defense (10.9 ppg) and second in the SEC and third nationally in total defense (239.3 ypg). The Crimson Tide has held eight of its first 10 opponents to less than 100 yards rushing and three of the 10 opponents to less than 200 total yards in a game. Alabama has held five teams to a touchdown or less this season. Cody has recorded 20 tackles, including five tackles of loss (-10 yards), two quarterback pressures and one pass breakup for the nation’s second-ranked team. He recorded three tackles and blocked a school-record tying two field goals in the Tide’s 12-10 win over Tennessee on Oct. 24. He was named the AT&T All-America and SEC Defensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Vols, which included two blocked kicks in the final 10 minutes of the game, with second one coming on the game’s final play. - Alabama football

10/26/09 - SEC WEEK 8 DEFENSIVE LINEMAN OF THE WEEK: Terrence Cody, Defensive Lineman, Alabama, blocked two field goals and had two tackles in Alabama’s 12-10 victory over Tennessee. His second blocked field goal of the contest came on the last play of the game on an attempted 44-yard field goal to preserve the Crimson Tide win. Cody’s first blocked field goal came earlier in the fourth quarter on an attempted 43-yard field goal. For the season, Cody has 17 total tackles, including five behind the line of scrimmage. - SEC football

Doesnt really add anything to the discussion. There are fluff peices wrote about every potential high draft pick. The point is Cody plays in a defense where his position is required to perform certain task that benifit his teamates. So you cant judge him soley on stats.

You asked in another post who my first two picks would be. Its hard to name any particular players right now with so much up in the air. I can tell you this, it will be the players that I think will have the biggest impact on the team regardless of position.

For instance I can say there is one player who would be a huge addition to this team whether we are a 3/4 or a 4/3. That is Derrick Morgan. Though I doubt he is available when we pick. I would take him in a heartbeat if he were despite the fact that we signed Smith and drafted Barwin last year.

beerlover
12-03-2009, 04:25 PM
Alright, I have been screwing around with a new draft, and I think I have a pretty good one here. Rip into it.

1) Florida CB Joe Haden, 5'11" 190 lbs

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 240 lbs

3) Baylor OC J.D. Walton, 6'3" 305 lbs

4) Purdue DT Mike Deal, 6'3" 302 lbs or Texas DT Lamar Houston, 6'2" 300 lbs

5) OT Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6'8" 321 lbs

6) Thug U TE Jimmy Graham, 6'8" 260 lbs

6) Alabama K Leigh Tiffin, 6'1" 212 lbs

7) Colgate WR Pat Simonds, 6'6" 220 lbs

I feel like I hit the major zones, except FS. A CB, power back, interior OL, DT, K, and two red zone threats. The TE only stays if OD goes.

I honestly never anticapated the Texans would lose both games following their bye week, hence in position to draft a top CB like Haden. I really think he ends up top 10, but if he's still on the board I'm all for selecting him.

If he's gone I'd try to trade down a few spots, maybe pick up another 3rd. thus getting both Walton, C & Edds, OLB before grabbing our franchise RB Gerhart. Second would be a tough choice between best CB or OG on the board.

rmartin65
12-03-2009, 04:30 PM
I honestly never anticapated the Texans would lose both games following their bye week, hence in position to draft a top CB like Haden. I really think he ends up top 10, but if he's still on the board I'm all for selecting him.

If he's gone I'd try to trade down a few spots, maybe pick up another 3rd. thus getting both Walton, C & Edds, OLB before grabbing our franchise RB Gerhart. Second would be a tough choice between best CB or OG on the board.

I concur. That is a good plan, I think that this draft would be great, and bolster the team immensely.

badboy
12-03-2009, 04:53 PM
Mussop, thanks for your input on Cody and I have read what you posted before. I agree that stats are only a part of evaluation and I could be all wrong about him. I don't think I am the only one that has doubts though. I am evaluating him as if he were to be our pick in any round. IF we were going 3-4 and IF we got him no higher than 3rd, I would grudgingly ok the pick.

In a 3-4 I would not want Terrence Cody as a rookie being my nose tackle. I'd take Dan Williams Tennesee NT who also gets double blocked a time or two but still effects the QB. Preferably, in a 3-4 scenario next season, I'd sign a vet to play a year or two and allow Williams time to adjust to NFL.

kastofsna
12-03-2009, 04:56 PM
i have a feeling Gerhart is going to be that guy that every fan of every team loves and will somehow make their team draft him when making mock drafts

mussop
12-03-2009, 08:04 PM
Mussop, thanks for your input on Cody and I have read what you posted before. I agree that stats are only a part of evaluation and I could be all wrong about him. I don't think I am the only one that has doubts though. I am evaluating him as if he were to be our pick in any round. IF we were going 3-4 and IF we got him no higher than 3rd, I would grudgingly ok the pick.

In a 3-4 I would not want Terrence Cody as a rookie being my nose tackle. I'd take Dan Williams Tennesee NT who also gets double blocked a time or two but still effects the QB. Preferably, in a 3-4 scenario next season, I'd sign a vet to play a year or two and allow Williams time to adjust to NFL.

I agree with everyting youre saying. Cody isnt a good fit in a 4/3. We have pretty much the same opinion of him other than the conditioning issue. IMO he has done everything asked of him since getting to Bama. He has good character, he works hard and has shown alot of maturity in the way he has approached this issue. There is tons of press on the very subjuct but people seem to be missing it for some reason.

If you watch him play you will realize its not as much of an issue as regularly advertised.

beerlover
12-04-2009, 01:13 AM
i have a feeling Gerhart is going to be that guy that every fan of every team loves and will somehow make their team draft him when making mock drafts

except Miami :)

LonerATO
12-04-2009, 02:07 AM
except Miami :)

I would be happy with Ryan Mathews or Anthony Dixon if for some reason FO cant get Toby or doesnt want him. Right now I am more worried about OL/DT/Safety then I am runningback. I know RB is a big need, but this team has had more issues with the O-Line and the front four of the D.

kastofsna
12-04-2009, 11:05 AM
except Miami :)

Ronnie Brown is coming off of a season ending injury, oh and he's a free agent this offseason, and Ricky Williams has pretty much said he'll retire after next season. so runningback could suddenly become a huge need for Miami

steelbtexan
12-04-2009, 12:01 PM
I would sign Ronnie Brown and Casey Hampton. The cap room is there.

This would allow the Texans to have freedom to pick BPA in the draft.

Along with providing much needed leadership in the lockeroom.

They should still pick a RB and DT somewhere in the draft.

The OL and DB positions are at the top of my draft wish list.

BigBull17
12-04-2009, 12:51 PM
Ronnie Brown is coming off of a season ending injury, oh and he's a free agent this offseason, and Ricky Williams has pretty much said he'll retire after next season. so runningback could suddenly become a huge need for Miami

Hasn't Ronnie Brown missed signifigant time due to injury over the years?

Honoring Earl 34
12-04-2009, 01:07 PM
I would sign Ronnie Brown and Casey Hampton. The cap room is there.

This would allow the Texans to have freedom to pick BPA in the draft.

Along with providing much needed leadership in the lockeroom.

They should still pick a RB and DT somewhere in the draft.

The OL and DB positions are at the top of my draft wish list.

If that happened then I'm going DB in the first .

badboy
12-04-2009, 01:15 PM
I agree with everyting youre saying. Cody isnt a good fit in a 4/3. We have pretty much the same opinion of him other than the conditioning issue. IMO he has done everything asked of him since getting to Bama. He has good character, he works hard and has shown alot of maturity in the way he has approached this issue. There is tons of press on the very subjuct but people seem to be missing it for some reason.

If you watch him play you will realize its not as much of an issue as regularly advertised.I remember watching him play one time but not who. I was probably focusing on another Alabama player or someone on other team. I do have a vivid image of him moving only a yard or two in any direction. As you say that may be all he is asked to do, but that seems very unlikely. As I posted yesterday, Willams gets double blocks and still disrupts the QB. Cody will definitely be a first round selection.

badboy
12-04-2009, 01:31 PM
I would be happy with Ryan Mathews or Anthony Dixon if for some reason FO cant get Toby or doesnt want him. Right now I am more worried about OL/DT/Safety then I am runningback. I know RB is a big need, but this team has had more issues with the O-Line and the front four of the D.I just don't see Dixon as that good of a candidate especially with a top three round pick. I am with you on Oline and safety concerns, but what do you see the weakness at DT are? The running game for the most part has been slowed significantly.

badboy
12-04-2009, 01:33 PM
I would sign Ronnie Brown and Casey Hampton. The cap room is there.

This would allow the Texans to have freedom to pick BPA in the draft.

Along with providing much needed leadership in the lockeroom.

They should still pick a RB and DT somewhere in the draft.

The OL and DB positions are at the top of my draft wish list.You actually want to gamble again with a free agent running back?

Goldensilence
12-04-2009, 01:37 PM
You actually want to gamble again with a free agent running back?

Considering what we're looking at next year...why not? We've got Steve Slaton who has struggled this year, and Chris Brown who thankfully is one the last year of his contract. We've got Ryan Moats who is well about what he is now...a third string third down back.

I have my doubts Gerhart will be there in the second for us.

badboy
12-04-2009, 03:10 PM
Considering what we're looking at next year...why not? We've got Steve Slaton who has struggled this year, and Chris Brown who thankfully is one the last year of his contract. We've got Ryan Moats who is well about what he is now...a third string third down back.

I have my doubts Gerhart will be there in the second for us.:lion:I agree with everything you say except Gerhart and you could very well be correct there also. I have just burned out on injured RB free agents who take our money and run. What could happen is Chris Brown remains healthy and ends ups with a few good attempts last few games as he did against Colts 2nd game and he gets another year added.

kastofsna
12-05-2009, 07:32 AM
Hasn't Ronnie Brown missed signifigant time due to injury over the years?

yeah, all of them being freakish injuries. sucks.

beerlover
12-30-2009, 03:21 PM
yeah, all of them being freakish injuries. sucks.

now Ricky too :rake: