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rmartin65
11-01-2009, 04:09 PM
Ok, with half the season done I wanted to share my thoughts for who the Texans should draft next year. Please critique. Oh, I have the Texans picking in the mid-20's. Say 24.

My first wish is to trade up for Suh, Berry or Mays, in that order. If that could not happen, a trade down to get some more picks. I am also hoping the FO signs a veteran DT. For the purpose of this mock, there is no trading. However, the Texans do sign a startable DT.

1) Idaho OG Mike Iupati, 6’5” 330
I am starting to think the running games’ problem is not just the runningback. Yes, I don’t think Slaton is a legitimate starting back. A very good 3rd down back, a great receiver out of the backfield, but the fumbling is killing me. Add in the lack of power, and I just don’t see it. However, the offensive line is a problem. Both the OGs are injured, which hurts. Pitts is old though, and quite a few people were clamoring for a replacement for Brisel. Iupati is raw, after only starting football at 14, but has been progressing by leaps and bounds each year. He is a high reward type of player, and I really only worry about his level of competition.

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
You all know I am a fan of Gerhart, notably because of his power, and the fact that he is very consistent. After seeing the team fail time and time again in short yardage situations, power back is a priority. This pick could change because Moats has been playing well, but let us wait until we see it week in and week out.

3) Florida State SS Myron Rolle, 6’2” 223
Rolle took a year off from football to further his education. This will hurt his stock, and make some team very happy next April. Rolle has all the attributes to make him a starting safety.

4) Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’1” 205
Small school prospect with great measurables, he shuts down half the field at his level. He can double as a returner, which can only increase his value.

5) Notre Dame S Kyle McCarthy, 6’ 210
McCarthy plays SS at Notre Dame, but he has been a ball hawk all year. He is a very solid tackler, and a blue collar work ethic kind of guy.

5) Oklahoma DT DeMarcus Granger, 6’2” 327
Granger is a hard player to place. He plays next to one of the best DTs in college, so that makes him look better. However, he is a monster that is very strong at the point of attack. Granger has the potential to be a dominant run stopper. He suffered a pretty bad injury last year, it should be looked at.

6) Hillsdale OT Jared Veldheer, 6’8” 321
An athletic freak that has been dominating D2. Definitely a project pick, but with a very high ceiling.

7) Florida International QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 230
7th rounder, so I was trying to think of a position where the player could take a few years to develop. Schaub is an upper tier QB, no doubt. But face it, he wont stay healthy all year every year. And the thought of Orlovsky backed up by Grossman (or the reverse) does not instill me with confidence. Smith has a pro arm and just needs to work on the nuances of the game.

Bubbajwp
11-01-2009, 06:16 PM
I would be happy if it turned out this way. But how about this

Rnd 1 traded for Steven Jackson
Rnd 2 G
Every thing else stays the same


I know you said no trades but I have a gut fealing that the Texans are going to go after Jackson this offseason.

rmartin65
11-03-2009, 07:00 AM
I would be happy if it turned out this way. But how about this

Rnd 1 traded for Steven Jackson
Rnd 2 G
Every thing else stays the same


I know you said no trades but I have a gut fealing that the Texans are going to go after Jackson this offseason.

I dont know about going after a RB. Sure he is only 26, so he has some good years left, but look at the carries. He will have about 1500 carries by next year. He has a history of injuries as well. I would prefer not to go after him.

badboy
11-03-2009, 03:28 PM
Ok, with half the season done I wanted to share my thoughts for who the Texans should draft next year. Please critique. Oh, I have the Texans picking in the mid-20's. Say 24.

My first wish is to trade up for Suh, Berry or Mays, in that order. If that could not happen, a trade down to get some more picks. I am also hoping the FO signs a veteran DT. For the purpose of this mock, there is no trading. However, the Texans do sign a startable DT.

1) Idaho OG Mike Iupati, 6’5” 330
I am starting to think the running games’ problem is not just the runningback. Yes, I don’t think Slaton is a legitimate starting back. A very good 3rd down back, a great receiver out of the backfield, but the fumbling is killing me. Add in the lack of power, and I just don’t see it. However, the offensive line is a problem. Both the OGs are injured, which hurts. Pitts is old though, and quite a few people were clamoring for a replacement for Brisel. Iupati is raw, after only starting football at 14, but has been progressing by leaps and bounds each year. He is a high reward type of player, and I really only worry about his level of competition.

2) Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
You all know I am a fan of Gerhart, notably because of his power, and the fact that he is very consistent. After seeing the team fail time and time again in short yardage situations, power back is a priority. This pick could change because Moats has been playing well, but let us wait until we see it week in and week out.

3) Florida State SS Myron Rolle, 6’2” 223
Rolle took a year off from football to further his education. This will hurt his stock, and make some team very happy next April. Rolle has all the attributes to make him a starting safety.

4) Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’1” 205
Small school prospect with great measurables, he shuts down half the field at his level. He can double as a returner, which can only increase his value.

5) Notre Dame S Kyle McCarthy, 6’ 210
McCarthy plays SS at Notre Dame, but he has been a ball hawk all year. He is a very solid tackler, and a blue collar work ethic kind of guy.

5) Oklahoma DT DeMarcus Granger, 6’2” 327
Granger is a hard player to place. He plays next to one of the best DTs in college, so that makes him look better. However, he is a monster that is very strong at the point of attack. Granger has the potential to be a dominant run stopper. He suffered a pretty bad injury last year, it should be looked at.

6) Hillsdale OT Jared Veldheer, 6’8” 321
An athletic freak that has been dominating D2. Definitely a project pick, but with a very high ceiling.

7) Florida International QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 230
7th rounder, so I was trying to think of a position where the player could take a few years to develop. Schaub is an upper tier QB, no doubt. But face it, he wont stay healthy all year every year. And the thought of Orlovsky backed up by Grossman (or the reverse) does not instill me with confidence. Smith has a pro arm and just needs to work on the nuances of the game.Cost too much to trade up to top 10 maybe top 5 for guys you list.

1. Your OG while fast for 330lbs is too big and too many good guards & tackle converts to use up a first. Studdard is coming on strong and Myers and Caldwell will start remainder of this season. I think Myers and Caldwell may switch positions but Kubes really likes Myers at center.
2. Gerhart I had at #2 also, but if Moats is the real deal and Kubes does not get him killed being "set up the pass with the run" guy, we will see Moats/Slaton/Brown next year.
3. Your going to draft a SS when Pollard has revitalized your D? He is only 25.
4. I like your CB but I'm not taking a corner here.
5A. Two SS? Maybe one here if Ferguson & Barber are cut.
5B. I like a big nasty here but if you sign one in free agency? Also, if our lighter DTs continue to do well, forget Kubes signing or drafting a big boy. In fact Okam will prob be gone.

I have to change my board as Texans keep winning and we keep dropping in the draft order. LOL
Picking at # 19
1. Haden CB I think Dunta will be on roster either another tag or he will get a long term deal with both Smith and DE compromising. Reeves will be the other starter. Quinn is good and I'd move him to FS next year but I don't think Gary will. He does like CBs and a 1st round may help DR to sign. If DR is signed for only one more year, you have either Quinn or Haden to replace him.
2. Gerhart RB is still my favorite & I have him to replace C. Brown. At 6'1" 235 with 5.5 WR speed, he is too good to turn down regardless of how Moats/Slaton do. I do not repeat do not think Smith will go RB.
3. Jerome Murphy S. FLorida 6'1" CB/FS/KR with 4.48 speed is my FS if Quinn stays at corner. Wilson may last another year.
4. Thomas Austin OG/C/OT Clemson 6'3" 310lbs 5.16 "good feet & sets like an anchor". Will be a Caldwell type and may beat Brisiel out. First off the bench.
5A. Eric Olsen C/LG/OT Notre Dame 6'4" 305lbs 5.26. Started 12 g at LG & moved to C this year. May be gone by this pick. He will be solid.
5b. Tyler Sash SS Iowa 6'1" 210 A fellow poster turned me on to this guy and he blows me away. 5 INTs last year and 5 so far (before Saturday's win over Indiana. He had at least one INT a return for 86 yds and 6 points).
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/103109aaa.html

rmartin65
11-03-2009, 03:52 PM
Cost too much to trade up to top 10 maybe top 5 for guys you list.

1. Your OG while fast for 330lbs is too big and too many good guards & tackle converts to use up a first. Studdard is coming on strong and Myers and Caldwell will start remainder of this season. I think Myers and Caldwell may switch positions but Kubes really likes Myers at center.
2. Gerhart I had at #2 also, but if Moats is the real deal and Kubes does not get him killed being "set up the pass with the run" guy, we will see Moats/Slaton/Brown next year.
3. Your going to draft a SS when Pollard has revitalized your D? He is only 25.
4. I like your CB but I'm not taking a corner here.
5A. Two SS? Maybe one here if Ferguson & Barber are cut.
5B. I like a big nasty here but if you sign one in free agency? Also, if our lighter DTs continue to do well, forget Kubes signing or drafting a big boy. In fact Okam will prob be gone.

I have to change my board as Texans keep winning and we keep dropping in the draft order. LOL
Picking at # 19
1. Haden CB I think Dunta will be on roster either another tag or he will get a long term deal with both Smith and DE compromising. Reeves will be the other starter. Quinn is good and I'd move him to FS next year but I don't think Gary will. He does like CBs and a 1st round may help DR to sign. If DR is signed for only one more year, you have either Quinn or Haden to replace him.
2. Gerhart RB is still my favorite & I have him to replace C. Brown. At 6'1" 235 with 5.5 WR speed, he is too good to turn down regardless of how Moats/Slaton do. I do not repeat do not think Smith will go RB.
3. Jerome Murphy S. FLorida 6'1" CB/FS/KR with 4.48 speed is my FS if Quinn stays at corner. Wilson may last another year.
4. Thomas Austin OG/C/OT Clemson 6'3" 310lbs 5.16 "good feet & sets like an anchor". Will be a Caldwell type and may beat Brisiel out. First off the bench.
5A. Eric Olsen C/LG/OT Notre Dame 6'4" 305lbs 5.26. Started 12 g at LG & moved to C this year. May be gone by this pick. He will be solid.
5b. Tyler Sash SS Iowa 6'1" 210 A fellow poster turned me on to this guy and he blows me away. 5 INTs last year and 5 so far (before Saturday's win over Indiana. He had at least one INT a return for 86 yds and 6 points).
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/103109aaa.html

1) Too big? 330 is not that much larger than the average, if I remember correctly. 6'5" is a little tall, I could see that being a problem. I like Caldwell and Studdard, but I still think a more powerful OG would help the run game immensely. Brown-Studdard-Calwell-Iupati-Winston is the line I am feeling.

2) I also dont think Smithiak will go for a RB, especially this early. I hope they do though. Moats looked good, but it was against the Bills, who doesn't look good against them?

3) Yep, even with Pollard I am looking at a SS. We thought we has a SS before with Will Demps, that did not turn out so well. Even so, a backup SS would be useful. It is late 3rd round, I am looking for depth and potential here now.

4) Fair enough, looking at your draft. I will get to yours.

5) I am becoming a big fan of McCarthy. He is instinctive and knows the position. He would be great depth and special teams. I could see your point, we would have quite a few SS. I would probably pick another position in round 3 if it came down to it. Sash is legit, again, I will get back to your draft.

5) Yep, another DT. We traded away TJ. Zgonia is old. Okam is unproven. Another DT would not hurt.

On to your draft:

1) Love the Haden pick. I would pick him, but I think he goes before the Texans pick. He is definitely ahead of Iupati on my board.

2) Agreed

3) I dont know enough about Murphy, but you picked a first round corner. If DR is kept, Quinn could move to FS. I dont have a problem with this pick though. Depth is always good, and here at the bottom of the third a starter wont get picked.

4) Austin is a popular pick here, I had him in earlier versions. He became expendable in my draft because of Iupati. If the draft is going down your way, I would be ecstatic about the pick.

5a) I would be perfectly fine with Olsen. Depth at every OLine spot, this is good.

5b) Sash is coming on strong. He is alot like McCarthy, either one of them I would be happy with the team picking.

badboy
11-03-2009, 04:21 PM
I could go with a bigger guard to power runs but that is not the ZBS. Would be helpful in red zone wouldn't he?

rmartin65
11-03-2009, 04:26 PM
The thing is, I dont see the ZBS staying. I have not been seeing any improvement in the running game. If anything, it has regressed (aside from the random exceptions).

Wolf6151
11-03-2009, 07:55 PM
I threw this mock together real quick this evening but I think that it addresses most of our needs with the exception of DT that I think we should address in FA since we've proven we're not real good with DT's in the draft.

1. Joe Haden-CB, if Dunta leaves then replacing him will be our top priority since no one that's currently on our roster is good enough to step up as a #1 CB. Haden has all the physical skills he just needs a little coaching on technique and some experience.

2. Nate Allen-FS, Morgan Burnett will most likely be gone in the 1st round and Allen has been moving up draft boards alot lately. I want a good coverage FS/ballhawk.

3. Mike Johnson-OG, might be available and might not if he's gone then the pick is Sergio Render-OG. Both are obvious upgrades to the interior O-line that are much needed.

4. Thomas Austin-OG, should be available and we need a massive talent upgrade on the interior O-line. If he doesn't start by mid year then he should at least be a quality backup. Adding 2 OG's should move Myers and Brisiel to backup rolls where they belong and move Studdard and White off the team where they belong.

5. Anthony Dixon-RB, a power RB who's not perfect but who is in the 5th round. He'll need some work on quickness, speed, and cutting ability but he's got potential.

5. Kyle Jolly-OT, the only depth at OT we've got is Rashad Butler and Tutan Reyes (who?). Jolly has got good size and has started lots of games for N.C. and should have the ability to be a utility O-lineman and decent depth at OT.

6. LeGarrette Blount-RB, I know about the punch and discipline issue with him, I watched the Boise St. game. This pick will be very dependent on how he has handled himself since the incident and on his interviews. If he hasn't changed his attitude then we pick someone else obviously, but if he's had no further incidents, interviews well and seems to have changed his attitude then he's the pick. The guy has talent, size, and power and someone will give him a chance in the NFL. Also in the 6th round it's a very low risk high reward situation. If he plays well great and if he doesn't then we haven't lost anything since most 6th round picks don't make their respective teams rosters anyway.

7. Zoltan Mesko-P, he's big, a good punter, and much younger and cheaper than Turk. Also we wouldn't be wasting a pick on someone who most likely wouldn't make the team anyway. We'd be one of the only teams who's 7th round pick makes the roster. Also how many times are you going to get the chance to draft someone named Zoltan.

beerlover
11-04-2009, 05:59 AM
Depends on underclassman who declare? right now I'm not sold on this Senior Class as a whole alone just not that deep to get an impact player, at least right away where the Texans select. So with that in mind I expect Rick Smith to be shopping around for trade down options- you know I keep saying this every year it could be New England they always seem to stockpile picks, this year in fact besides their own they have two extra 2nd rd. picks (Jacksonville & Tennessee). Both those should be very early in the 2nd if a player they covet is still on the board when the Texans pick then I would trade that pick two for one, so my mock draft would have not have a 1st rd. pick but three 2nd rounders :chickendance:

2a. Kareem Jackson, 5-11 192 CB Alabama (Jr.) could play both FS or CB.

2b. Noel Devine, 5-8 176 RB/WR West Virginia (Jr.) teammate of Steve Slaton explosive offensive playmaker like a Percy Harvin or DeSean Jackson.

2c. A.J. Edds, 6-4 244 OLB Iowa (Sr.) premier 4-3 weakside linebacker a coverage specialist who compliments DeMeco & Brian Cushing.

3. J.D. Walton, 6-3 305 C Baylor (Sr.) top notch Center to add inside toughness

4. Mike Neal, 6-3 302 DT Purdue (Sr.) developmental specimen to add to rotation.

5. Josh Pinkard, 6-1 215 FS USC (Sr.) better in coverage than Mays & more diciplined.

6a. (aquired via Travis Johnson) Tony Moeaki, 6-3 252 TE Iowa (Sr.) excellent hands, blocking technique question is will Owen Daniels be re-signed after torn acl?

6b. Lonyae Miller, 5-11 220 RB Fresno State (Sr.) ZBS powerback

7. Josh Hull, 6-3 240 ILB Penn State (another Diles) very productive/instinctive, low cost low maintenance :chef:

badboy
11-04-2009, 08:41 AM
The thing is, I dont see the ZBS staying. I have not been seeing any improvement in the running game. If anything, it has regressed (aside from the random exceptions).I am not sold on the ZBS either although Slaton ran well in it last year. The Oline seems to be improving from what others say so expect Kubes to stick with it. Historically, I have favored the straight approach of trying to blow the dline back with big strong Oline and a strong power runner. An occasional play by a half back on a slant or draw play but move the pile type of a running game. Your guard would be excellent in that offense but we would need a big strong RB (Gerhart?). The ZBS is a Kubiac philosophy as was the "run to set up the pass". We saw how long it took for him to change the latter & I expect the same of the ZBS. To be fair, ZBS did move the ball between the 20s.

badboy
11-04-2009, 09:23 AM
I threw this mock together real quick this evening but I think that it addresses most of our needs with the exception of DT that I think we should address in FA since we've proven we're not real good with DT's in the draft.

1. Joe Haden-CB, if Dunta leaves then replacing him will be our top priority since no one that's currently on our roster is good enough to step up as a #1 CB. Haden has all the physical skills he just needs a little coaching on technique and some experience.

2. Nate Allen-FS, Morgan Burnett will most likely be gone in the 1st round and Allen has been moving up draft boards alot lately. I want a good coverage FS/ballhawk.

3. Mike Johnson-OG, might be available and might not if he's gone then the pick is Sergio Render-OG. Both are obvious upgrades to the interior O-line that are much needed.

4. Thomas Austin-OG, should be available and we need a massive talent upgrade on the interior O-line. If he doesn't start by mid year then he should at least be a quality backup. Adding 2 OG's should move Myers and Brisiel to backup rolls where they belong and move Studdard and White off the team where they belong.

5. Anthony Dixon-RB, a power RB who's not perfect but who is in the 5th round. He'll need some work on quickness, speed, and cutting ability but he's got potential.

5. Kyle Jolly-OT, the only depth at OT we've got is Rashad Butler and Tutan Reyes (who?). Jolly has got good size and has started lots of games for N.C. and should have the ability to be a utility O-lineman and decent depth at OT.

6. LeGarrette Blount-RB, I know about the punch and discipline issue with him, I watched the Boise St. game. This pick will be very dependent on how he has handled himself since the incident and on his interviews. If he hasn't changed his attitude then we pick someone else obviously, but if he's had no further incidents, interviews well and seems to have changed his attitude then he's the pick. The guy has talent, size, and power and someone will give him a chance in the NFL. Also in the 6th round it's a very low risk high reward situation. If he plays well great and if he doesn't then we haven't lost anything since most 6th round picks don't make their respective teams rosters anyway.

7. Zoltan Mesko-P, he's big, a good punter, and much younger and cheaper than Turk. Also we wouldn't be wasting a pick on someone who most likely wouldn't make the team anyway. We'd be one of the only teams who's 7th round pick makes the roster. Also how many times are you going to get the chance to draft someone named Zoltan.
I'm definitely ok with your identification of needs and will give my thoughts below. Still early for mocks but fun ain't it?

1. Haden is my pick for now but I think DR will be a Texan. This will give Haden & Quinn time to develop.
2. Nate Allen 50-50 he will be avail when we draft in 2nd. I like this pick especially if DT has been ruled out by draft as a "need". For some reason, I think of Allen as more SS but he has decent speed and can tackle. He does fit Smithiac's view of a safety that can play either. WIlson is rebounding very well from his injury. Allen link http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64437&draftyear=2010&genpos=FS NOTE: he was chosen for East-West and Senior bowl 2010. I get a lot of info rom those games.
3. Johnson gone before we pick & might be converted to LT. Sergio Render is a big really strong guard with knock down power but read the Sept 26th note that he needs to step up. Of course he had gone against Suh the week before and their QB was sacked 4 times. Render is recovering from a pectoral tear. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68066&draftyear=2010&genpos=OG

As I think Studdard, Myers, Caldwell will be the middle Oline, I am drafting guards a bit lower to be my backups in training.
4.Austin is my pick but your comment on Studdard is way off from what I see and hear. He is really stepping up on run blocking (Buffalo of course) and Colts will be a big test. Kubes likes him, too.
5. Dixon in 5th? I rate him higher but like the pick if there.
5B. Jolly no thoughts on him but Walters has him rated as 21st tackle just ahead of UT's Ulatowksi. NFLDraftScout.com has Ulatowski rated but not Senior Jolley. http://walterfootball.com/draft2010OT.php

badboy
11-04-2009, 09:42 AM
Depends on underclassman who declare? right now I'm not sold on this Senior Class as a whole alone just not that deep to get an impact player, at least right away where the Texans select. So with that in mind I expect Rick Smith to be shopping around for trade down options- you know I keep saying this every year it could be New England they always seem to stockpile picks, this year in fact besides their own they have two extra 2nd rd. picks (Jacksonville & Tennessee). Both those should be very early in the 2nd if a player they covet is still on the board when the Texans pick then I would trade that pick two for one, so my mock draft would have not have a 1st rd. pick but three 2nd rounders :chickendance:

2a. Kareem Jackson, 5-11 192 CB Alabama (Jr.) could play both FS or CB.

2b. Noel Devine, 5-8 176 RB/WR West Virginia (Jr.) teammate of Steve Slaton explosive offensive playmaker like a Percy Harvin or DeSean Jackson.

2c. A.J. Edds, 6-4 244 OLB Iowa (Sr.) premier 4-3 weakside linebacker a coverage specialist who compliments DeMeco & Brian Cushing.

3. J.D. Walton, 6-3 305 C Baylor (Sr.) top notch Center to add inside toughness

4. Mike Neal, 6-3 302 DT Purdue (Sr.) developmental specimen to add to rotation.

5. Josh Pinkard, 6-1 215 FS USC (Sr.) better in coverage than Mays & more diciplined.

6a. (aquired via Travis Johnson) Tony Moeaki, 6-3 252 TE Iowa (Sr.) excellent hands, blocking technique question is will Owen Daniels be re-signed after torn acl?

6b. Lonyae Miller, 5-11 220 RB Fresno State (Sr.) ZBS powerback

7. Josh Hull, 6-3 240 ILB Penn State (another Diles) very productive/instinctive, low cost low maintenance :chef:I think this draft will follow last one in no takers for a trade down scenario. Don't know your guys but some thoughts; if Slaton and Moats keep fumbling under control (Moats has a history of TO also) why would Texans use a 2 for same type RB? I just do not see it. If that was there thoughts, I'd rather use the 1st on CJ Spiller as I see him falling a bit even if he remains in Heisman contention. Also, if OD is not on team and you just might be right do we wait until 6th? I am still out on Dreesen and Casey. TE plays a huge role in this offense and I could see a higher pick for a TE who can catch and block.

TexansSeminole
11-04-2009, 10:44 AM
I think this draft will follow last one in no takers for a trade down scenario. Don't know your guys but some thoughts; if Slaton and Moats keep fumbling under control (Moats has a history of TO also) why would Texans use a 2 for same type RB? I just do not see it. If that was there thoughts, I'd rather use the 1st on CJ Spiller as I see him falling a bit even if he remains in Heisman contention. Also, if OD is not on team and you just might be right do we wait until 6th? I am still out on Dreesen and Casey. TE plays a huge role in this offense and I could see a higher pick for a TE who can catch and block.

Spiller is a McFadden rehash IMO. Not a lot of power in those legs. Plus he is constantly getting nicked up.

I don't think I've ever watched a Clemson gane where Spiller isn't limping a little bit.

badboy
11-04-2009, 11:18 AM
Spiller is a McFadden rehash IMO. Not a lot of power in those legs. Plus he is constantly getting nicked up.

I don't think I've ever watched a Clemson gane where Spiller isn't limping a little bit.You could well be correct in your comparison but my point is more if you are going to draft a back similar to what you have go with the guy with the stats. Nicks or not his legs are strong enough to have him in consideration for Heisman.

TexansSeminole
11-04-2009, 11:46 AM
You could well be correct in your comparison but my point is more if you are going to draft a back similar to what you have go with the guy with the stats. Nicks or not his legs are strong enough to have him in consideration for Heisman.

So were McFaddens'. Bush won the Heisman.

bah007
11-04-2009, 01:24 PM
You could well be correct in your comparison but my point is more if you are going to draft a back similar to what you have go with the guy with the stats. Nicks or not his legs are strong enough to have him in consideration for Heisman.

The Heisman is irrelevant to NFL potential.

beerlover
11-04-2009, 01:39 PM
I think this draft will follow last one in no takers for a trade down scenario. Don't know your guys but some thoughts; if Slaton and Moats keep fumbling under control (Moats has a history of TO also) why would Texans use a 2 for same type RB? I just do not see it. If that was there thoughts, I'd rather use the 1st on CJ Spiller as I see him falling a bit even if he remains in Heisman contention. Also, if OD is not on team and you just might be right do we wait until 6th? I am still out on Dreesen and Casey. TE plays a huge role in this offense and I could see a higher pick for a TE who can catch and block.

Devine is a blur the Texans don't have anything like him, speed kills just look @ what Chris Johnson, DeSean Jackson or Percy Harvin have done in their young careers-

Edds would start @ WILL completing the best LB tandem in the NFL.

Kareem Jackson has a nose for the football plays with sound technique similar to Malcolm Jenkins taken 1st rd. ahead of Cushing in last years draft.

Walton has the game to beat out Myers in training camp/pre-season.

A three-year starter that transferred from Arizona State. Has done both the shotgun snap in the spread and conventional snap to the quarterback under center. Position/wall off type blocker. Creates inside running lanes by turning the down defender. Solid on the block back or "choke" block. Plays on his feet. Good agility and balance in close quarters. Plays with a good base and works to finish his blocks. Will drop his head at times in pass protection but generally slides and adjusts his mirror to wall off defender. Good hand quickness to lock out and position hands on the breast plate and get push on his target. Strong and crafty, but needs to be more consistent with his ability to recover and anchor in pass protection.

The rest are developmental/depth who address needs

badboy
11-04-2009, 01:41 PM
So were McFaddens'. Bush won the Heisman.Any player can bust but more are successful. I think Bush was used incorrectly rather the same was Slaton has been so far this year. I am not as familiar with McFadden as Bush. Just saying the higher the round the higher the odds of success.

badboy
11-04-2009, 01:45 PM
The Heisman is irrelevant to NFL potential.

No it is not. It is an award based on production in college. It is an indicator or tool to be used as the Doak Walker or the chunk of granite given away in Houston or any other award. It means that player beat out many others. Sure some politicing goes on but it does offer info. I think to many of you get caught up with the few busts rather than those that go on to be very productive players. A war room does not look at just awards but all types of info just like the Wonderlic or however it is spelled.

badboy
11-04-2009, 01:57 PM
Devine is a blur the Texans don't have anything like him, speed kills just look @ what Chris Johnson, DeSean Jackson or Percy Harvin have done in their young careers-
Edds would start @ WILL completing the best LB tandem in the NFL.

Kareem Jackson has a nose for the football plays with sound technique similar to Malcolm Jenkins taken 1st rd. ahead of Cushing in last years draft.

Walton has the game to beat out Myers in training camp/pre-season.

The rest are developmental/depth who address needsHarvin is 5'11" 195 I think. Gonna have to do better than that to convince me. Unless Devine becomes your starter, I do not see a high 2nd on him. We need too many other things. Thanks for info on others.

rmartin65
11-04-2009, 04:18 PM
Depends on underclassman who declare? right now I'm not sold on this Senior Class as a whole alone just not that deep to get an impact player, at least right away where the Texans select. So with that in mind I expect Rick Smith to be shopping around for trade down options- you know I keep saying this every year it could be New England they always seem to stockpile picks, this year in fact besides their own they have two extra 2nd rd. picks (Jacksonville & Tennessee). Both those should be very early in the 2nd if a player they covet is still on the board when the Texans pick then I would trade that pick two for one, so my mock draft would have not have a 1st rd. pick but three 2nd rounders :chickendance:

2a. Kareem Jackson, 5-11 192 CB Alabama (Jr.) could play both FS or CB.

2b. Noel Devine, 5-8 176 RB/WR West Virginia (Jr.) teammate of Steve Slaton explosive offensive playmaker like a Percy Harvin or DeSean Jackson.

2c. A.J. Edds, 6-4 244 OLB Iowa (Sr.) premier 4-3 weakside linebacker a coverage specialist who compliments DeMeco & Brian Cushing.

3. J.D. Walton, 6-3 305 C Baylor (Sr.) top notch Center to add inside toughness

4. Mike Neal, 6-3 302 DT Purdue (Sr.) developmental specimen to add to rotation.

5. Josh Pinkard, 6-1 215 FS USC (Sr.) better in coverage than Mays & more diciplined.

6a. (aquired via Travis Johnson) Tony Moeaki, 6-3 252 TE Iowa (Sr.) excellent hands, blocking technique question is will Owen Daniels be re-signed after torn acl?

6b. Lonyae Miller, 5-11 220 RB Fresno State (Sr.) ZBS powerback

7. Josh Hull, 6-3 240 ILB Penn State (another Diles) very productive/instinctive, low cost low maintenance :chef:

I actually feel pretty good about the senior class. At least, I dont see it as exceptionally weak. I would love to do the three 2nds, lets see if it happens.

2a) I dont think Jackson declares next year. But if he does, I could be talked into this pick. Can you give me some reasons why you like this guy?

2b) Devine.... very small, very quick. He also has underrated power. But still, I am having problems getting over his diminutive stature. A 3rd, yes I would take him with a smile on my face. But I just dont know this early. I would go with a power back or oline help.

2c) No complaints here. Our LB group will be nasty, especially with Diles backing up all three spots.

3) I am good with this pick. C is a week spot, and if the coaches are bent on keeping Caldwell at guard.

4) The first of your picks I really dislike. I have seen Purdue a couple of times, and this guy did not stand out at all. At all.

5) Pinkard is pretty good, but I worry that he looks better because of all the talent on the team. If you are looking for a playmaking safety, Kyle McCarthy is still the guy. Or Sash from Iowa, although he might play SS.

6) A TE? Not if OD gets resigned. If he is not, the I hope we go TE here, if not earlier. I actually like the Illinois guy better, Michael Hoomanawanui.

6) I am ok with a power back here, if we dont take on earlier. Miller is good, Blount (if he checks out mentally) might be ok, but a sleeper is Joique Bell from Wayne State.

7) Hull is a good pick here. I like the late round ILB here. I may be biased, but another playe is Ryan Reynolds from Oklahoma. Lots of knee injuries, which is scary, but he is a player.

Bubbajwp
11-04-2009, 08:32 PM
Harvin is 5'11" 195 I think. Gonna have to do better than that to convince me. Unless Devine becomes your starter, I do not see a high 2nd on him. We need too many other things. Thanks for info on others.

Darren Sproles anybody?

Noel Devine could be the next sproles. I'll take that anyday. Sure he is small but he is so small that most defenders wont see him until he is past the oline. Same with screens the defenders might know were he is but that doesnt mean they know witch direction he is going to go. By the time they figure it out he is running past them.

bah007
11-04-2009, 08:46 PM
Once McNair takes a look at Devine's checkered past he will never sign off on it so y'all can just throw that pipe dream away.

Bubbajwp
11-04-2009, 08:54 PM
Once McNair takes a look at Devine's checkered past he will never sign off on it so y'all can just throw that pipe dream away.

True

awtysst
11-04-2009, 10:22 PM
Here is one I did off the top of my head. I spent about 5 minutes or so on it. My scenario had the Texans picking around 18th.

1.Joe Haden,CB,Florida.
We need a CB and he is the best there.

2.Major Wright , FS, Florida.
Another Florida D player. These two know each other and can be slotted right in. They know each other’s moves and know how to pass and cover together.

3.Boo Robinson, NT, Wake Forest.
A MONSTOR nose tackle that can hold the line, be a force in the run game, and can also push forward to. The run stopper we have been begging our team to get.

4.Ed Wang, OT, Virginia Tech-
what does this team need? More balls. What goes with balls?! MORE WANG!

5.Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State.
Yeah THAT Myron Rolle, the guy who got a Rhodes Scholarship. He is a heck of a football player too. A year away from the game and he drops, but that’s ok with me.

6a.Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State-RB:
a true powerback. Need 2 yards? Hand the ball to him and let him fall forward.

6b.Juice Williams, QB, Illinois-
Yup. You read that right. But here is the thing. Juice Williams is NOT a QB. He is a guy who can be used in a few WildTEX packages. Need a couple of yards? Maybe direct snap to Juice and let him run it? How about a package with a direct snap to Juice, who hands it off to Slaton, who reverses it to Schaub who then throws a deep TD pass to AJ or OD?! Like the idea?! I do!

7. Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech.
Yeah THAT Brandon Carter. Yeah, that guy with the face paint and the Mohawk. Yeah, this guy is a football player. He plays hard every snap. May be a good backup.

Wolf6151
11-05-2009, 11:13 AM
Here is one I did off the top of my head. I spent about 5 minutes or so on it. My scenario had the Texans picking around 18th.

1.Joe Haden,CB,Florida.
We need a CB and he is the best there.

2.Major Wright , FS, Florida.
Another Florida D player. These two know each other and can be slotted right in. They know each other’s moves and know how to pass and cover together.

3.Boo Robinson, NT, Wake Forest.
A MONSTOR nose tackle that can hold the line, be a force in the run game, and can also push forward to. The run stopper we have been begging our team to get.

4.Ed Wang, OT, Virginia Tech-
what does this team need? More balls. What goes with balls?! MORE WANG!

5.Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State.
Yeah THAT Myron Rolle, the guy who got a Rhodes Scholarship. He is a heck of a football player too. A year away from the game and he drops, but that’s ok with me.

6a.Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State-RB:
a true powerback. Need 2 yards? Hand the ball to him and let him fall forward.

6b.Juice Williams, QB, Illinois-
Yup. You read that right. But here is the thing. Juice Williams is NOT a QB. He is a guy who can be used in a few WildTEX packages. Need a couple of yards? Maybe direct snap to Juice and let him run it? How about a package with a direct snap to Juice, who hands it off to Slaton, who reverses it to Schaub who then throws a deep TD pass to AJ or OD?! Like the idea?! I do!

7. Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech.
Yeah THAT Brandon Carter. Yeah, that guy with the face paint and the Mohawk. Yeah, this guy is a football player. He plays hard every snap. May be a good backup.

Overall I like your draft.
1. Haden, great pick no arguments.
2. Wright, good pick but we could probably do better.
3. Robinson, I doubt that he's still available in the 3rd round.
4. Wang, good pick and we definetly need some depth at OT
5. Rolle, I doubt he's still available in the 5th round.
6. Dixon, good pick and good value here.
6. Williams, I don't know anything about this guy.
7. Carter, definetly a position of need and we have little to lose here, good pick.

badboy
11-05-2009, 11:43 AM
Darren Sproles anybody?

Noel Devine could be the next sproles. I'll take that anyday. Sure he is small but he is so small that most defenders wont see him until he is past the oline. Same with screens the defenders might know were he is but that doesnt mean they know witch direction he is going to go. By the time they figure it out he is running past them.Bubba, I just don't think one or two exceptions either good or bad is what I'd base a draft upon. You need a wider base.

badboy
11-05-2009, 11:50 AM
Here is one I did off the top of my head. I spent about 5 minutes or so on it. My scenario had the Texans picking around 18th.

1.Joe Haden,CB,Florida.
We need a CB and he is the best there.

2.Major Wright , FS, Florida.
Another Florida D player. These two know each other and can be slotted right in. They know each other’s moves and know how to pass and cover together.

3.Boo Robinson, NT, Wake Forest.
A MONSTOR nose tackle that can hold the line, be a force in the run game, and can also push forward to. The run stopper we have been begging our team to get.

4.Ed Wang, OT, Virginia Tech-
what does this team need? More balls. What goes with balls?! MORE WANG!

5.Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State.
Yeah THAT Myron Rolle, the guy who got a Rhodes Scholarship. He is a heck of a football player too. A year away from the game and he drops, but that’s ok with me.

6a.Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State-RB:
a true powerback. Need 2 yards? Hand the ball to him and let him fall forward.

6b.Juice Williams, QB, Illinois-
Yup. You read that right. But here is the thing. Juice Williams is NOT a QB. He is a guy who can be used in a few WildTEX packages. Need a couple of yards? Maybe direct snap to Juice and let him run it? How about a package with a direct snap to Juice, who hands it off to Slaton, who reverses it to Schaub who then throws a deep TD pass to AJ or OD?! Like the idea?! I do!

7. Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech.
Yeah THAT Brandon Carter. Yeah, that guy with the face paint and the Mohawk. Yeah, this guy is a football player. He plays hard every snap. May be a good backup.I like your thinking, however..

3. No longer see a big DT being drafted ot FA if our lighter roster guys keep shutting down the run. I think other posters have identified Boo may not be the guy you think he is but I have not followed him. I like Oghobaase in 2nd if Gerhart not taken. He fits Smithiac idea of DT.

I have Dixon and Rolle rated higher.

Goatcheese
11-05-2009, 05:19 PM
I don't know why so many folks are thinking Corner at this point. D-Rob and Reeves are both top 20 cover corners so far this season, and I don't see them letting Robinson walk when we're primed for a serious run next season.

Our draft needs are pretty much what they were last year: OG, OC, SS, DT, RB, and FS in roughly that order.

awtysst
11-06-2009, 07:17 AM
I don't know why so many folks are thinking Corner at this point. D-Rob and Reeves are both top 20 cover corners so far this season, and I don't see them letting Robinson walk when we're primed for a serious run next season.

Our draft needs are pretty much what they were last year: OG, OC, SS, DT, RB, and FS in roughly that order.

I think DR is gone after this year. He will likely be gone via FA or trade. Reeves is fine, but I am not sold on any of the other CBs on the team.

badboy
11-06-2009, 09:08 AM
I don't know why so many folks are thinking Corner at this point. D-Rob and Reeves are both top 20 cover corners so far this season, and I don't see them letting Robinson walk when we're primed for a serious run next season.

Our draft needs are pretty much what they were last year: OG, OC, SS, DT, RB, and FS in roughly that order.
I am addressing your post and also Awtest. First each year since he has been here the coach as noted "you can't have enough cornerbacks." While I disagree with Awtest and think DR will be here next year, if he is gone it leaves a possible gaping hole in a priority position. Reeves has done better than most have expected and should continue to hold down one side. Is he a #1 CB? If Dunta leaves, Jacques better be. Quinn is looking good also, but as many have posted, he is only a few games from being a possible Bennett. Moulds has basically ridden the injury train & I expect nothing from him.

I think to a certain extent, Smith used the drafting of Quinn and a very fast McCain against DR before this season. Just a gentle reminder, Smith was ok moving on. This year little has changed other than DR is one year older and that does not help his demand for a long term deal. If Smith drops the tag on him again, which I expect, results will be the same. Now Dunta will have a season behind him to show other teams he is healthy and if some one wants to give up picks or work a trade, I'll be slap dab giddy.
Goatcheese, I think you are misreading the teams needs.

OG: Kubes is vocal that Studdard is coming along well. Other posters who do all the post game review for MB seem to agree his play is much better. Also many have stated Caldwell will be hard to remove as a starter on the right side. Even Winston made a comment this week on his radio show, that early on he or Duane Brown would be caught out of position supporting the guard replacements. He went on to say that no longer happens and that was in his opinion why Oline was doing better. On my board, I currently have two guards drafting but not until 4th and 5th rounds. Guards are rarely selected in first and this year's crop of tackles that can play guard is pretty deep.

Center: while many posters are upset with Myers, Kubes does not. Caldwell did not beat out the back up at center Chris White. Not saying he will not next season.

SS: Have you been watching Pollard? Now if you want to designate free safety as a need, I'm with you. Even for that position Wilson has made great strides since healing from injury.

Goatcheese
11-06-2009, 05:16 PM
I am addressing your post and also Awtest. First each year since he has been here the coach as noted "you can't have enough cornerbacks." While I disagree with Awtest and think DR will be here next year, if he is gone it leaves a possible gaping hole in a priority position. Reeves has done better than most have expected and should continue to hold down one side. Is he a #1 CB? If Dunta leaves, Jacques better be. Quinn is looking good also, but as many have posted, he is only a few games from being a possible Bennett. Moulds has basically ridden the injury train & I expect nothing from him.

I think to a certain extent, Smith used the drafting of Quinn and a very fast McCain against DR before this season. Just a gentle reminder, Smith was ok moving on. This year little has changed other than DR is one year older and that does not help his demand for a long term deal. If Smith drops the tag on him again, which I expect, results will be the same. Now Dunta will have a season behind him to show other teams he is healthy and if some one wants to give up picks or work a trade, I'll be slap dab giddy.
Goatcheese, I think you are misreading the teams needs.

OG: Kubes is vocal that Studdard is coming along well. Other posters who do all the post game review for MB seem to agree his play is much better. Also many have stated Caldwell will be hard to remove as a starter on the right side. Even Winston made a comment this week on his radio show, that early on he or Duane Brown would be caught out of position supporting the guard replacements. He went on to say that no longer happens and that was in his opinion why Oline was doing better. On my board, I currently have two guards drafting but not until 4th and 5th rounds. Guards are rarely selected in first and this year's crop of tackles that can play guard is pretty deep.

Center: while many posters are upset with Myers, Kubes does not. Caldwell did not beat out the back up at center Chris White. Not saying he will not next season.

SS: Have you been watching Pollard? Now if you want to designate free safety as a need, I'm with you. Even for that position Wilson has made great strides since healing from injury.

OG/OC: They're not embarrassing themselves anymore, but when you have 2 losses in 8 games because you couldn't pick up 1 yard, they're a problem. Improving the interior line is easily the most important thing the Texans could do this coming spring. It will improve the running and passing offense.

SS: Pollard is terrible in coverage. I mean really bad. Yeah, he plays the run well and lays the wood, but a safety is first and foremost a DB, not an undersized linebacker.

FS: Wilson is the exact opposite of Pollard. He is good in coverage, but can't tackle to save his life. If you could somehow cram them both into one body you would have a really good safety. Unfortunately you can't, and I'd much rather have a safety that can only cover than one that can only tackle.

badboy
11-09-2009, 03:44 PM
OG/OC: They're not embarrassing themselves anymore, but when you have 2 losses in 8 games because you couldn't pick up 1 yard, they're a problem. Improving the interior line is easily the most important thing the Texans could do this coming spring. It will improve the running and passing offense.

SS: Pollard is terrible in coverage. I mean really bad. Yeah, he plays the run well and lays the wood, but a safety is first and foremost a DB, not an undersized linebacker.

FS: Wilson is the exact opposite of Pollard. He is good in coverage, but can't tackle to save his life. If you could somehow cram them both into one body you would have a really good safety. Unfortunately you can't, and I'd much rather have a safety that can only cover than one that can only tackle.Yep. I have a FS on my board in round 3 and Tyler Sash SS who can play both in 6th. He might be gone as more become aware of him. Another poster tipped me off. 5 INTs last season and 6 so far this year.

rmartin65
11-10-2009, 01:07 PM
Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245

badboy
11-10-2009, 01:17 PM
Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245No corner or free safety? Dunno about dat.

rmartin65
11-10-2009, 01:34 PM
No corner or free safety? Dunno about dat.

I am actually feeling ok about our corners. If the team makes the playoffs, I think DRob might stay. DRob, Reeves, Quinn, that is solid enough for me, especially if we can get a better pass rush.

Free safety, yea, I really want to pick one. But there is just no one I feel really good about. Wilson is playing ok. Who would you pick at FS? Sash is a RS Soph, he wont come out this year.

badboy
11-10-2009, 02:09 PM
I am actually feeling ok about our corners. If the team makes the playoffs, I think DRob might stay. DRob, Reeves, Quinn, that is solid enough for me, especially if we can get a better pass rush.

Free safety, yea, I really want to pick one. But there is just no one I feel really good about. Wilson is playing ok. Who would you pick at FS? Sash is a RS Soph, he wont come out this year.First on Sash, he is eligible as i have been told due to his high school graduating class or something like that. If this is correct, He is sitting on at least 11 INTs last two years with games to go. He is 20 yoa and IMO another year will not move him up much IMO.

I had same opinion as you on DRob until his game against Colts, where he looked very average. I really like Quinn but he could have a Bennett season next year and Moulds should be gone. I want a CB some round if Dunta is around and if not, a CB very high in draft.

Free safety has been very important to me but Wilson has cooled my jets a bit with his much improved play as he heals. As of today, I have Texans at #19 with Haden CB in round 1. With either Jerome Murphy of S. FLorida CB/FS/KR 6'1" 185 4.48 or Kyle Wilson of Boise FS/CB 5'10" 186 4.42 in 3rd.

Round two is where I'm conflicted. I want RB Gerhart but do not think Smith will select a Power Back that high so I have Vince Oghobaase DT 6'5"310 lbs 5.16 Duke

beerlover
11-10-2009, 02:18 PM
Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245

If this were to happen I'd be giddy :ahhaha:

HowEver- after finally getting a chance to see Toby pound the rock & beat a top 10 team almost singlehandedly, at least in my mind he has moved himself up into the first round. With the Texans issues @ RB even I have to finally admit this has to be addressed early. I would take similar pathway as the Cushing pick last draft, just that this time its on the offensive side & no I don't want to bring in Larry Johnson (who may or may not save you a top pick).

Toby is a playmaking stud powerback without fumbling issues, is an excellent blocker, high charcter & excellent teammate. Above all he is a football player just like Cushing & nobody is bashing that pick anymore :peek:

badboy
11-10-2009, 02:28 PM
This is my fear Beerlover, the more attention he gets, the higher he goes and convincing you to go RB in 1st is a bit more easy than Kubes, I'm thinking. I started with Gerhart in 3rd and then 2nd.

rmartin65
11-10-2009, 02:31 PM
First on Sash, he is eligible as i have been told due to his high school graduating class or something like that. If this is correct, He is sitting on at least 11 INTs last two years with games to go. He is 20 yoa and IMO another year will not move him up much IMO.

I had same opinion as you on DRob until his game against Colts, where he looked very average. I really like Quinn but he could have a Bennett season next year and Moulds should be gone. I want a CB some round if Dunta is around and if not, a CB very high in draft.

Free safety has been very important to me but Wilson has cooled my jets a bit with his much improved play as he heals. As of today, I have Texans at #19 with Haden CB in round 1. With either Jerome Murphy of S. FLorida CB/FS/KR 6'1" 185 4.48 or Kyle Wilson of Boise FS/CB 5'10" 186 4.42 in 3rd.

Round two is where I'm conflicted. I want RB Gerhart but do not think Smith will select a Power Back that high so I have Vince Oghobaase DT 6'5"310 lbs 5.16 Duke

You are absolutely correct, Sash is eligible. But how many RS Sophomore's declare? I dont see it happening, especially if he is only projected in the bottom half of the draft.

DRob looked average, again you are correct. But it was against the Colts. Most DB's are average if not below average against them. I truly believe that Haden will not be available at the Texans pick.

I am glad that I am getting more people on the Gerhart bandwagon. And I agree with Beerlover below (I will reply to that post in a sec), I would take him in the first. Oghobaase would be an acceptable backup pick.

rmartin65
11-10-2009, 02:34 PM
If this were to happen I'd be giddy :ahhaha:

HowEver- after finally getting a chance to see Toby pound the rock & beat a top 10 team almost singlehandedly, at least in my mind he has moved himself up into the first round. With the Texans issues @ RB even I have to finally admit this has to be addressed early. I would take similar pathway as the Cushing pick last draft, just that this time its on the offensive side & no I don't want to bring in Larry Johnson (who may or may not save you a top pick).

Toby is a playmaking stud powerback without fumbling issues, is an excellent blocker, high charcter & excellent teammate. Above all he is a football player just like Cushing & nobody is bashing that pick anymore :peek:

You are preaching to the choir. I was the first one to pimp out Gerhart on these boards, and I would have no problem taking him in the first. I could redo my mock if you think that would be more accurate. However, I think he could drop, because he wont run below a 4.5 at the combine.

Let me re-iterate;
Toby Gerhart is my favorite back in the draft, and the player I want the Texans select.

steelbtexan
11-10-2009, 04:11 PM
Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245

If this draft were to happen I would be thrilled.


My mock at this point in the season looks like this.

Rd1 Iupati G-Idaho part of solving the sort yardage problems.
Rd2 Gerhart RB- Stanford Everydown RB,another part of solving problems in the run game. Smart
Rd3 Brandon Ghee-CB-WF Big physical CB,play fell off SR year or he wouldn't be availabe. Smart
Rd3 J.D.Walton C- Baylor Big tough guy, max effort, looked better than no.2 pick Jason Smith at times last year. Helps with short yardage problems, Smart
Rd4 Justin Woodall S-Ala. Big tough FS-SS leader of secondary on the great Ala. defense. Smart
Rd5 Dan Williams DT-Tenn Run stopping DT, SEC battle tested, Team leader
Rd5. Jeff Byars C-G-USC 4 yr starter,undersized,was made to play in ZBS,team leader
Rd6 Walter Thurmond CB Ore- Playmaking CB tore ACL may have to be put on IR for rookie year but if Thurmond gets healthy he would be a steal in Rd6.
Rd7 Zoltan Mesko P Mich Younger,stronger leg,cheaper than Turk

I think these are the type of players that Smithiak will look at in the draft. At least these are the kind of players they drafted this year. Tough,smart,team leaders

Let the critiques begin

badboy
11-10-2009, 04:15 PM
You are preaching to the choir. I was the first one to pimp out Gerhart on these boards, and I would have no problem taking him in the first. I could redo my mock if you think that would be more accurate. However, I think he could drop, because he wont run below a 4.5 at the combine.
Let me re-iterate;
Toby Gerhart is my favorite back in the draft, and the player I want the Texans select.This is what I am hoping. There were several backs rated highly last season that fell. One Rashad Jennings I had rated as high as 3rd if I recall and I kept yelling when he kept dropping and Texans would pick someone else.
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/1251717

steelbtexan
11-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245

Great mock, here's my critique

Rd1 Iupata Like the pick alot
Rd2 Gerhart Love this pick
Rd3 Walton Good pick Adds toughness that the Texans interior OL is currently lacking
Rd4 Ross Dont know much about him but adding a big DT cant be a bad thing.
Rd5 Wang Like the pick big athletic OT former TE from Va.Tech reminds me of D.Brown
Rd6 McCarty Great pick Heady playmaker
Rd6 Lane Good value Small school guy,Has alot of ability
Rd7 Rey Dont know anything about this guy. I would take the best P on the board. It's time to replace Turk.

rmartin65
11-11-2009, 08:57 AM
This is what I am hoping. There were several backs rated highly last season that fell. One Rashad Jennings I had rated as high as 3rd if I recall and I kept yelling when he kept dropping and Texans would pick someone else.
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/1251717

Yep, I remember Jennings. He dropped far though, that could not be solely because of his speed. Another player that dropped was The Iowa back, Green? Power back, but slower than NFL teams like.

badboy
11-11-2009, 01:37 PM
Yep, I remember Jennings. He dropped far though, that could not be solely because of his speed. Another player that dropped was The Iowa back, Green? Power back, but slower than NFL teams like.Shonn Green also was noted for small hands. I liked him but more as a power back. I think Green held out also but not certain.

Wolf6151
11-11-2009, 05:11 PM
Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245


Some constructive criticism, not meant as bashing.

1. Iupati, I think he's the wrong type of O-lineman for the Texans, he's a big power blocker who I think will probably go in the mid to late 2nd round. I don't think he fits what Kubiak and Gibbs are looking for in an OG.
2. Gerhart, regardless of what the so called mock pros think, I think that his lack of speed and more importantly lack of quickness and agility will hurt him on draft day. What works in college doesn't always transition well to the NFL where speed and quickness are everything. I think he'll fall to the 4th round or later.
3. Walton, I don't know anything about him but I like your way of thinking, we definately need O-line help and Myers needs to be replaced by someone bigger.
4. Ross, I don't know anything about this guy either, has good size though. I personally think we should pick a DT in FA not in the draft.
5. Wang, good pick as depth at OT is a need.
6. McCarty, I don't know anything about this guy either but I like Safeties and LB's in the late rounds as they are the guys that are going to be playing special teams and they have speed and tackling ability.
6. Lane, I don't see DE as a need what's he going to do that Smith, Barwin, Nading, or Bulman can't do.
7. Rey, again don't know anything about him but we've got tons of talent and depth at LB. If we're going to take a guy for depth I'd rather do it at a position of need like Safety or O-line, our 2 biggest needs, where a depth guy stands a chance of making the team and an extra body helps.

Overall this draft is EHHHHH. Not addressing the secondary early is a problem.

rmartin65
11-11-2009, 07:23 PM
Some constructive criticism, not meant as bashing.

1. Iupati, I think he's the wrong type of O-lineman for the Texans, he's a big power blocker who I think will probably go in the mid to late 2nd round. I don't think he fits what Kubiak and Gibbs are looking for in an OG.
2. Gerhart, regardless of what the so called mock pros think, I think that his lack of speed and more importantly lack of quickness and agility will hurt him on draft day. What works in college doesn't always transition well to the NFL where speed and quickness are everything. I think he'll fall to the 4th round or later.
3. Walton, I don't know anything about him but I like your way of thinking, we definately need O-line help and Myers needs to be replaced by someone bigger.
4. Ross, I don't know anything about this guy either, has good size though. I personally think we should pick a DT in FA not in the draft.
5. Wang, good pick as depth at OT is a need.
6. McCarty, I don't know anything about this guy either but I like Safeties and LB's in the late rounds as they are the guys that are going to be playing special teams and they have speed and tackling ability.
6. Lane, I don't see DE as a need what's he going to do that Smith, Barwin, Nading, or Bulman can't do.
7. Rey, again don't know anything about him but we've got tons of talent and depth at LB. If we're going to take a guy for depth I'd rather do it at a position of need like Safety or O-line, our 2 biggest needs, where a depth guy stands a chance of making the team and an extra body helps.

Overall this draft is EHHHHH. Not addressing the secondary early is a problem.

No worries, I am a big boy, I dont have a problem with criticism.

1) Iupati is shooting up the draft boards. He is big, athletic, smart, and has all the tools to be a successful pro. And about the blocking sceme: You are right. As of now, the Texans run a ZBS. I dont see it lasting. The run game is still abysmal.

2) Fourth round, are you ****ing kidding me!? You are the only one I have seen projecting him below the third. It is not like he will run a 4.8 or anything. Moreno ran a 4.68 at the combine. Emmit ran a 4.6 or 4.7. Speed is not everything in the league. Bush would be a Hall of Famer if it was. No, this is the one criticism where I think you are completely off base. Read this article: http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi-bin/?p=1035761

3) No disagreements

4) I do have the Texans picking up someone in FA. However, we should still be grooming a big body for the future.

5) No disagreements

6) No disagreements

6) I was just looking for value here. I subscribe to the belief that the top rounds are for starters, or players who will start in the near future. The middle rounds are for depth, and the late rounds are project players with high upside. Lane is just raw. Physically gifted, just raw.

7) I can see the punter here.

beerlover
11-11-2009, 10:36 PM
this is appropriately called the HALF-SEASON TEXANS MOCK/WISHLIST so half-way through the College & NFL seasons we have some idea who looks like a Sunday prospect, what that Sunday team needs & how well they fit in both scheme/as teammates.

work ethic, character, athletic ability & football production all come into play. primary need is RB, weakside LB, interior OL/Center, DT, CB, FS. based off what we know so far, rmartin65 with exception of CB really fills those major areas of concern quite nicely. I'm thinking he believes the Texans will come to terms with Dunta Robinson which I agree & think it would be a sad day if he walked.

Wolf6151
11-11-2009, 11:09 PM
this is appropriately called the HALF-SEASON TEXANS MOCK/WISHLIST so half-way through the College & NFL seasons we have some idea who looks like a Sunday prospect, what that Sunday team needs & how well they fit in both scheme/as teammates.

work ethic, character, athletic ability & football production all come into play. primary need is RB, weakside LB, interior OL/Center, DT, CB, FS. based off what we know so far, rmartin65 with exception of CB really fills those major areas of concern quite nicely. I'm thinking he believes the Texans will come to terms with Dunta Robinson which I agree & think it would be a sad day if he walked.


I guess this is a topic for a different thread but do the Texans really want Dunta back next year? If this seasons production vs. payroll is any indicator of future production then I question if Dunta will be back next year. Dunta's production is worse than Glover Quin. I'm not totally sold on Glover Quin and though he shows promise he's no #1 CB and Bennett showed promise as well a couple years ago. So do we re-sign Dunta and accept mediocre production, try to sign a better FA that will most likely cost even more than Dunta, or take the chance at getting Haden in the draft ,which is no guarantee, and then wait for him to develope. Also Dunta staying or leaving really affect our draft priorities. If he stays we can concentrate on FS and OG/C and if he leaves then it makes filling the #1 CB spot top priority.

TexansSeminole
11-12-2009, 03:58 AM
I guess this is a topic for a different thread but do the Texans really want Dunta back next year? If this seasons production vs. payroll is any indicator of future production then I question if Dunta will be back next year. Dunta's production is worse than Glover Quin. I'm not totally sold on Glover Quin and though he shows promise he's no #1 CB and Bennett showed promise as well a couple years ago. So do we re-sign Dunta and accept mediocre production, try to sign a better FA that will most likely cost even more than Dunta, or take the chance at getting Haden in the draft ,which is no guarantee, and then wait for him to develope. Also Dunta staying or leaving really affect our draft priorities. If he stays we can concentrate on FS and OG/C and if he leaves then it makes filling the #1 CB spot top priority.

Completely understand where you are coming from. We could not resign Dunta and draft a 1st or 2nd round corner to be a starter for the future. I'd rather see some of our young guys play #2 or #3 corner than Dunta. Reeves may not be a #1 corner but I would play him as one next year because with Dunta you aren't getting anything better.

Right now I would like to see Morgan Burnett in the first and someone like Patrick Robinson in the second. We need to upgrade the versatility in our secondary BAD.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-12-2009, 05:57 AM
1.rd FS or DT (I prefer us to sign experienced NT from FA if available)
2.rd FS , DR, RB or OL (If we can't sign any from FA)
3.rd RB or OL (We should be able find good interior OL)
4.rd RB or OL

CB Just sign DR
FA find experienced NT (IMO this position usually better off with experienced player than rook for an immediate impact)

Go Texans!!!

badboy
11-12-2009, 08:44 AM
this is appropriately called the HALF-SEASON TEXANS MOCK/WISHLIST so half-way through the College & NFL seasons we have some idea who looks like a Sunday prospect, what that Sunday team needs & how well they fit in both scheme/as teammates.

work ethic, character, athletic ability & football production all come into play. primary need is RB, weakside LB, interior OL/Center, DT, CB, FS. based off what we know so far, rmartin65 with exception of CB really fills those major areas of concern quite nicely. I'm thinking he believes the Texans will come to terms with Dunta Robinson which I agree & think it would be a sad day if he walked.Not attacking but rather discussing, using the #1 pick on a huge guard to put in our ZBS is ok to voice our opinion. We need to be realistic that usually that type body will not be successful in our offense. I too prefer an Oline that powers the ball down the field. Let's look at the thought that ZBS will go away. If it does, what do we do for players? Everyone we have was selected to be fast with quick feet and to pass block. None does straight ahead power blocking well. IMO Brown is the best. Pitts would have worked but I do not see him back unless he signs a very low $ deal with incentatives. Again I like the choice just not for an offense we will not change and where he will probably be successful. Now if this guard blows away the cones and other agility tests at combine proving he can work in the ZBS, I will change my mind.

badboy
11-12-2009, 09:04 AM
this is appropriately called the HALF-SEASON TEXANS MOCK/WISHLIST so half-way through the College & NFL seasons we have some idea who looks like a Sunday prospect, what that Sunday team needs & how well they fit in both scheme/as teammates.

work ethic, character, athletic ability & football production all come into play. primary need is RB, weakside LB, interior OL/Center, DT, CB, FS. based off what we know so far, rmartin65 with exception of CB really fills those major areas of concern quite nicely. I'm thinking he believes the Texans will come to terms with Dunta Robinson which I agree & think it would be a sad day if he walked.I am the guy who has been pushing to get a big old mean gorilla type DT that will stop the run. However, Bush has seemingly eliminated that need by using our lighter guys to stop the other teams running game. There will be some good DT prospects in free agency and we should go after one. If we go after one in draft, it should be later rounds. IMO no longer qualifies as primary need.

While I agree that center should be upgraded, don't see it happening unless it is by Caldwell and moving Myers to guard, his more natural position. Again, I do not see this either as Myers has the experience to call the offensive sets. There have few bobbles between Schaub and Chris. On the QB sack by Colts, the RB (Slaton, I think) missed the block after Myers was tossed aside, so 2 players did not do the job that play.

badboy
11-12-2009, 09:44 AM
I guess this is a topic for a different thread but do the Texans really want Dunta back next year? If this seasons production vs. payroll is any indicator of future production then I question if Dunta will be back next year. Dunta's production is worse than Glover Quin. I'm not totally sold on Glover Quin and though he shows promise he's no #1 CB and Bennett showed promise as well a couple years ago. So do we re-sign Dunta and accept mediocre production, try to sign a better FA that will most likely cost even more than Dunta, or take the chance at getting Haden in the draft ,which is no guarantee, and then wait for him to develope. Also Dunta staying or leaving really affect our draft priorities. If he stays we can concentrate on FS and OG/C and if he leaves then it makes filling the #1 CB spot top priority.Prior to Indy game I was posting that DR would definitely be back. Not so sure anymore. I want to see him in the 2nd Indy game. I think we will draft at least two CBs or combo CB/FS. Fortunatley this draft should be deep. I'm not sure if team is ready to give up on Bennett yet. I think it depends on who is available when we draft in first round.

badboy
11-12-2009, 11:14 AM
Completely understand where you are coming from. We could not resign Dunta and draft a 1st or 2nd round corner to be a starter for the future. I'd rather see some of our young guys play #2 or #3 corner than Dunta. Reeves may not be a #1 corner but I would play him as one next year because with Dunta you aren't getting anything better.

Right now I would like to see Morgan Burnett in the first and someone like Patrick Robinson in the second. We need to upgrade the versatility in our secondary BAD.I have been pretty pleased with SS Pollard and since WIlson has healed he is playing much better at FS. I was hoping Mays would drop to about 18-19 which was unlikely but even more unlikely now is Texans drafting above 22. I am looking at Earl Thomas UTexas FS 5'10 197 4.45 with 5 INTS. I like Haden in 1st but if we end up much further down he'll be gone. Thomas may be there.

badboy
11-12-2009, 11:16 AM
1.rd FS or DT (I prefer us to sign experienced NT from FA if available)
2.rd FS , DR, RB or OL (If we can't sign any from FA)
3.rd RB or OL (We should be able find good interior OL)
4.rd RB or OL

CB Just sign DR
FA find experienced NT (IMO this position usually better off with experienced player than rook for an immediate impact)

Go Texans!!!Why?

Wolf6151
11-12-2009, 01:08 PM
[/B]I have been pretty pleased with SS Pollard and since WIlson has healed he is playing much better at FS. I was hoping Mays would drop to about 18-19 which was unlikely but even more unlikely now is Texans drafting above 22. I am looking at Earl Thomas UTexas FS 5'10 197 4.45 with 5 INTS. I like Haden in 1st but if we end up much further down he'll be gone. Thomas may be there.


I've got to agree with TexasSeminole, that if we're going after a FS in the 1st round then I'd rather have Morgan Burnett. IMO he's 2nd only to Berry amongst FS. Earl Thomas will probably stay and play another year at UT but if he does decide to go pro next year then he'd be my 3rd choice behind Berry and Burnett. I don't see Taylor Mays as having the ball skills or coverage skills to be a good FS in the NFL, I think he'll be a much better SS in a traditional scheme. I'd then go after Mike Johnson-OG in the 2nd round, I think he fits our ZBS much better than Iupati. Someone else mentioned Boo Robinson or Dan Williams in the 3rd round, Robinson will probably be gone by the time we pick in the 3rd but Dan Williams-DT in the 3rd round isn't a bad idea.

1. Morgan Burnett-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG
3. Dan Williams-DT

I could live with that easy.

rmartin65
11-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Not attacking but rather discussing, using the #1 pick on a huge guard to put in our ZBS is ok to voice our opinion. We need to be realistic that usually that type body will not be successful in our offense. I too prefer an Oline that powers the ball down the field. Let's look at the thought that ZBS will go away. If it does, what do we do for players? Everyone we have was selected to be fast with quick feet and to pass block. None does straight ahead power blocking well. IMO Brown is the best. Pitts would have worked but I do not see him back unless he signs a very low $ deal with incentatives. Again I like the choice just not for an offense we will not change and where he will probably be successful. Now if this guard blows away the cones and other agility tests at combine proving he can work in the ZBS, I will change my mind.

You are absolutely correct, Iupati would not be a raging success in the ZBS. However, I dont think the ZBS lasts past this season. It is not doing anything for the run game at all. The players would be a problem though. Brown would fit, after a training camp. I think Winston could do it as well. Caldwell is a little small, but maybe he could do it. Then we would have Iupati. So we still lack a center or a guard, wherever Caldwell does not go. I dont know alot about the other lineman on the team, what do you think?

beerlover
11-12-2009, 01:33 PM
no reason why ZBS with Gibbs coaching it cannot succeed but unlike last year when the same OL started all 16 games the Texans have been less fortunate losing two starters, Brisiel & Pitts.

However another mauler is in order 300 lbs give or take a little makes no difference & reason why a prospect like Baylor Center J.D. Walton would be a great fit.

badboy
11-12-2009, 02:38 PM
I've got to agree with TexasSeminole, that if we're going after a FS in the 1st round then I'd rather have Morgan Burnett. IMO he's 2nd only to Berry amongst FS. Earl Thomas will probably stay and play another year at UT but if he does decide to go pro next year then he'd be my 3rd choice behind Berry and Burnett. I don't see Taylor Mays as having the ball skills or coverage skills to be a good FS in the NFL, I think he'll be a much better SS in a traditional scheme. I'd then go after Mike Johnson-OG in the 2nd round, I think he fits our ZBS much better than Iupati. Someone else mentioned Boo Robinson or Dan Williams in the 3rd round, Robinson will probably be gone by the time we pick in the 3rd but Dan Williams-DT in the 3rd round isn't a bad idea.

1. Morgan Burnett-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG
3. Dan Williams-DT

I could live with that easy.Walters has updated mock today showing THomas going at #18 and Burnett at # 20 to Texans. I don't see Houston selecting that low. Do you believe Burnett will drop to 22-25?

badboy
11-12-2009, 02:52 PM
I've got to agree with TexasSeminole, that if we're going after a FS in the 1st round then I'd rather have Morgan Burnett. IMO he's 2nd only to Berry amongst FS. Earl Thomas will probably stay and play another year at UT but if he does decide to go pro next year then he'd be my 3rd choice behind Berry and Burnett. I don't see Taylor Mays as having the ball skills or coverage skills to be a good FS in the NFL, I think he'll be a much better SS in a traditional scheme. I'd then go after Mike Johnson-OG in the 2nd round, I think he fits our ZBS much better than Iupati. Someone else mentioned Boo Robinson or Dan Williams in the 3rd round, Robinson will probably be gone by the time we pick in the 3rd but Dan Williams-DT in the 3rd round isn't a bad idea.

1. Morgan Burnett-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG
3. Dan Williams-DT

I could live with that easy.Why Mike Johnson? What about his feet and skill set? he is rated as maybe dropping to 3rd.

TexansSeminole
11-12-2009, 02:59 PM
Walters has updated mock today showing THomas going at #18 and Burnett at # 20 to Texans. I don't see Houston selecting that low. Do you believe Burnett will drop to 22-25?

You never know. I see this draft of safeties a bit like the 2007 draft. Remember that crop of safeties?

LaRon Landry was the 6th overall pick.

Michael Griffin was taken at 19.

Reggie Nelson was taken 21st.

Brandon Meriweather was taken at 24.

The theme here was that there was 1 big time safety and a few others that were good players and all pretty equally ranked.

I see Berry as the big time prospect with Mays, Burnett, and Thomas all bunched together.

Obviously it depends on who else is available in the draft at all positions, but it isn't too hard to believe that one of them would be available in the 20s.

It also depends on what teams want. Mays is a big hitting SS, Thomas is a rangy cover safety, Burnett is somewhere in the middle. The Texans don't need Mays enough to justify drafting him in the 1st, we have Pollard. We could really use either Thomas or Burnett.

badboy
11-12-2009, 03:10 PM
You are absolutely correct, Iupati would not be a raging success in the ZBS. However, I dont think the ZBS lasts past this season. It is not doing anything for the run game at all. The players would be a problem though. Brown would fit, after a training camp. I think Winston could do it as well. Caldwell is a little small, but maybe he could do it. Then we would have Iupati. So we still lack a center or a guard, wherever Caldwell does not go. I dont know alot about the other lineman on the team, what do you think?I agree with Beerlover. The ZBS is for moving the ball down the field with TEs, slot WR and RB as Slaton did last year. It can be successful but the one missing ingredient is a RB that keeps the coverage locked close to scrimmage. You get a power back that can create his own holes. Our line as weak as it is does create some room, our backs just can't break free. A 2 back system can be used to create confusion, our bigger backs just never do the job. A Gerhart or Jonathan Dwyer (two mocks have us drafting him around #22) would really help the offense as big strong types that can catch the ball.

JB
11-12-2009, 03:14 PM
Walters has updated mock today showing THomas going at #18 and Burnett at # 20 to Texans. I don't see Houston selecting that low. Do you believe Burnett will drop to 22-25?

I really like this draft for us with Burnett, Oghobaase, and Gerhart in the first 3 rounds.

edit: Although I do not know much about Oghobaase...lol

badboy
11-12-2009, 03:16 PM
You never know. I see this draft of safeties a bit like the 2007 draft. Remember that crop of safeties?

LaRon Landry was the 6th overall pick.

Michael Griffin was taken at 19.

Reggie Nelson was taken 21st.

Brandon Meriweather was taken at 24.

The theme here was that there was 1 big time safety and a few others that were good players and all pretty equally ranked.

I see Berry as the big time prospect with Mays, Burnett, and Thomas all bunched together.

Obviously it depends on who else is available in the draft at all positions, but it isn't too hard to believe that one of them would be available in the 20s.

It also depends on what teams want. Mays is a big hitting SS, Thomas is a rangy cover safety, Burnett is somewhere in the middle. The Texans don't need Mays enough to justify drafting him in the 1st, we have Pollard. We could really use either Thomas or Burnett.Historically with Kubes, safety has not had a high priority and he usually selects big hitters with little coverage ability the old 1 & 2 safety not SS and free. When creating a mock, I usually prioritize what I think is best for team. I often choose to ignore what Kubes has done or probably will do. I am saying a Power back should be selected in top 2 rounds but if one is even selected, I'll be surprised.

badboy
11-12-2009, 03:41 PM
I really like this draft for us with Burnett, Oghobaase, and Gerhart in the first 3 rounds.

edit: Although I do not know much about Oghobaase...lolA most excellent draft IF DR is back at peak performance or you are convinced Quin will be a starter. I don't see much avaliable in 4th round at CB. Uh, oh!

76Texan
11-12-2009, 03:56 PM
When do we need to put the tag on Dunta again?
Or is there a date we need to come to term on a new contract if we decide to do that?

JB
11-12-2009, 03:58 PM
A most excellent draft IF DR is back at peak performance or you are convinced Quin will be a starter. I don't see much avaliable in 4th round at CB. Uh, oh!

I know, but Haden will not fall to us and I do not see another cb in the first round. Of course Burnett might not come out. At this point though, and if DR stays around, this would not be a bad draft...but not the best.

badboy
11-12-2009, 04:11 PM
When do we need to put the tag on Dunta again?
Or is there a date we need to come to term on a new contract if we decide to do that?Some disagreement on that. As 2010 seems to be an uncapped year, it may effect the tag dates. I was hoping we would use that advantage to go after Asomugha in a trade. Dunta was doing ok until Colts. I expect him to do better against Tenn but for me the 2nd Colt game is what I need to see much improvement. He need to have a couple INTs or at least one that he takes for 6. He is a year older and while apparently over the injury not doing so great. Ideal scenario for me would be a trade picking up another 2nd round.

badboy
11-12-2009, 04:16 PM
I know, but Haden will not fall to us and I do not see another cb in the first round. Of course Burnett might not come out. At this point though, and if DR stays around, this would not be a bad draft...but not the best.I am working on new mock with us @ #24. Looking at Kyle Wilson CB/FS in 2nd and hoping Gerhart there in 3rd (I'll explain my thinking if I do). A dt in 4th with a guard/center in 5th. First round has me stumped as I don't see Haden falling to us and agree Burnett may stay. He is a redshirt soph and with a first round prediction he should jump to NFL. I just keep hoping Wilson keeps getting better.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-12-2009, 04:19 PM
Why?

Why not sign DR?

More than likely one draft woundn't fill all of our needs. DR and Reeves are fine as of now but of course we can always upgrade when needed. However, FS, DT, RB, and OL positions are higher needs in upgrading than CB . We have two CB starters right now and they are more than NFL average IMO. Why draft CB when we have other positions that needs more attention? To me it is more of priority issue. For NT, I would prefer experienced NFL player from FA who can give us an impact. This is how I view 2010 draft badboy.

Go Texans!!!

JB
11-12-2009, 04:21 PM
I am working on new mock with us @ #24. Looking at Kyle Wilson CB/FS in 2nd and hoping Gerhart there in 3rd (I'll explain my thinking if I do). A dt in 4th with a guard/center in 5th. First round has me stumped as I don't see Haden falling to us and agree Burnett may stay. He is a redshirt soph and with a first round prediction he should jump to NFL. I just keep hoping Wilson keeps getting better.

Earl Thomas would be a nice pick!

TexansSeminole
11-12-2009, 06:07 PM
I am working on new mock with us @ #24. Looking at Kyle Wilson CB/FS in 2nd and hoping Gerhart there in 3rd (I'll explain my thinking if I do). A dt in 4th with a guard/center in 5th. First round has me stumped as I don't see Haden falling to us and agree Burnett may stay. He is a redshirt soph and with a first round prediction he should jump to NFL. I just keep hoping Wilson keeps getting better.

Burnett is a junior, not a redshirt sopohmore. Doubt he stays.

badboy
11-16-2009, 03:17 PM
Burnett is a junior, not a redshirt sopohmore. Doubt he stays.My info had him as junior but last week an article I read had him as red shirt sophomore. Thought that was odd but was too tied up to research more. Thanks for the info. He is a big guy & 40 seems to be around 4.65.

badboy
11-16-2009, 03:32 PM
Why not sign DR?

More than likely one draft woundn't fill all of our needs. DR and Reeves are fine as of now but of course we can always upgrade when needed. However, FS, DT, RB, and OL positions are higher needs in upgrading than CB . We have two CB starters right now and they are more than NFL average IMO. Why draft CB when we have other positions that needs more attention? To me it is more of priority issue. For NT, I would prefer experienced NFL player from FA who can give us an impact. This is how I view 2010 draft badboy.

Go Texans!!!I had typed a nice long response and somehow deleted it. I am not impressed with Dunta as much as you. He has not had an above average year imo and needs to run out the year in a "shut down" mode to win me. If he is tagged 2010 it will be apprx $13million. So far he has not earned the $10. I like Quin but the Bennett bust is a concern. There are not too many college corners who will step in as a starter in this draft and we will be drafting pretty low. Actually I think one draft can fill all our needs.

FS: I have been after a FS and wanted Jenkins last year. However, Wilson has seemingly healed and has been playing fairly well combined with Pollard.
DT:Historically, I wanted a Raji type but Bush has done well shutting down the run with "lighter" tackles. Okoye is not going anywhere if he continues to bloom.
RB: We agree but Smith has not signed a power back and he did not even use a 7th last year. I hope he see the light this year.

OL: is doing much better and Caldwell is support to start RG now. Myers is not going anywhere soon as he understands the calls needed to be made. I draft two players but later rounds.

badboy
11-16-2009, 03:41 PM
Earl Thomas would be a nice pick!Yeah but he might play another year at UT. He is project now higher than #24 where I think Texans are head now. Of course I also have Houston winning out. :chef:

SAMURAITEXAN
11-19-2009, 02:44 AM
I had typed a nice long response and somehow deleted it. I am not impressed with Dunta as much as you. He has not had an above average year imo and needs to run out the year in a "shut down" mode to win me. If he is tagged 2010 it will be apprx $13million. So far he has not earned the $10. I like Quin but the Bennett bust is a concern. There are not too many college corners who will step in as a starter in this draft and we will be drafting pretty low. Actually I think one draft can fill all our needs.

FS: I have been after a FS and wanted Jenkins last year. However, Wilson has seemingly healed and has been playing fairly well combined with Pollard.
DT:Historically, I wanted a Raji type but Bush has done well shutting down the run with "lighter" tackles. Okoye is not going anywhere if he continues to bloom.
RB: We agree but Smith has not signed a power back and he did not even use a 7th last year. I hope he see the light this year.

OL: is doing much better and Caldwell is support to start RG now. Myers is not going anywhere soon as he understands the calls needed to be made. I draft two players but later rounds.

FS: Yes Wilson is playing better. Is Pollard making FS position look better or Wilson making SS position look better? Before Pollard, how did Wilson looked?
I am not saying Wilson is really that bad but, just imagine if we can upgrade FS position with high draft choice.

DT: Yes using lighter tackles are working. However, don't you feel more comfortable having an additional disruptive DT to our D line?

OL: We need more power on our O Line to make our running better IMO. Our pass O protection is better but we need help on our running game. RB is not only problem. We can upgrade there.

RB: If I recall correctly, Smith was targeting Coffee on 3rd but was taken before we got to him. I assume other RB remained in draft wan't value pick for them. Who knows, we may go after some RB in 2010 draft.

I agree, I liked Jenkins as well but, Saints took him at 14th pick. But, I am very happy with Cushing.

DR: It is all depends on how DR perform this year. He may ended up not asking too much. We will find out about DR situation after this season.

Go Texans!!!

painekiller
11-19-2009, 09:43 AM
but the Bennett bust is a concern.

Bennett has had some tough personal issues off the field that maybe contributing to his lost season. Since the team has not disclosed anything regarding Bennett's situation, out of respect for his privacy I will not go into details, suffice it to say he has suffered a huge personal lose that would set anyone back.

He deserves our prayers, not our uninformed negativity.

Hope that his lost year does not hurt us and that he can come back focused and a stronger player soon.

steelbtexan
11-19-2009, 10:06 AM
I wish the media would report this about Bennett without saying what his personal issues are.

Kubes said he was having a great TC and all of the sudden suckitude took over his game. I thought Kubes was blowing smoke where the sun dont shine.

This explains what is wrong with Bennett. I guess it's much to ask for McLame to provide useful info to his readers. It's bad that this MB is more informational than the Barnicle.

Thoughta and Prayers Freddy B

badboy
11-19-2009, 01:27 PM
Bennett has had some tough personal issues off the field that maybe contributing to his lost season. Since the team has not disclosed anything regarding Bennett's situation, out of respect for his privacy I will not go into details, suffice it to say he has suffered a huge personal lose that would set anyone back.

He deserves our prayers, not our uninformed negativity.

Hope that his lost year does not hurt us and that he can come back focused and a stronger player soon.First I heard of any personal issues. Yeah it could certainly effect his year but if we are not told painekiller, we evaluate based on what we know; same with injuries. If this was a death of a friend or loved one my prayers go to him and his. I has been difficult for me to fathom how he went from a very good season to two pretty bad ones.

painekiller
11-19-2009, 05:57 PM
I wish the media would report this about Bennett without saying what his personal issues are.

Kubes said he was having a great TC and all of the sudden suckitude took over his game. I thought Kubes was blowing smoke where the sun dont shine.

This explains what is wrong with Bennett. I guess it's much to ask for McLame to provide useful info to his readers. It's bad that this MB is more informational than the Barnicle.

Thoughta and Prayers Freddy B

Bennett's lose occurred in the 1st week or two of the season, and I am not sure the press is aware officially.

badboy
11-20-2009, 11:31 AM
Bennett's lose occurred in the 1st week or two of the season, and I am not sure the press is aware officially.If you are uncomfortable saying what happened can you at least give some creedence to how you know?

pbat488
11-20-2009, 11:45 AM
Bennett's lose occurred in the 1st week or two of the season, and I am not sure the press is aware officially.

If you are uncomfortable saying what happened can you at least give some creedence to how you know?

Like badboy said, why should we take what you are saying as the truth? How/why do you know and a McClain or other reporter close to the team wouldn't?

Not to be crass, but as far as I'm concerned the only thing Freddy has lost is his ability to tackle.:deadhorse

painekiller
11-20-2009, 03:40 PM
Like badboy said, why should we take what you are saying as the truth? How/why do you know and a McClain or other reporter close to the team wouldn't?

Not to be crass, but as far as I'm concerned the only thing Freddy has lost is his ability to tackle.:deadhorse

A friend of mine works at a local hospital, her telling me the information puts her job at risk due to privacy rights of patients. She is a huge fan of the team, and she knows who the players are.

Fred Bennett has suffered a lose that he has keeped private, and I have overstepped my bounds stating that much.

badboy
11-20-2009, 03:47 PM
A friend of mine works at a local hospital, her telling me the information puts her job at risk due to privacy rights of patients. She is a huge fan of the team, and she knows who the players are.

Fred Bennett has suffered a lose that he has keeped private, and I have overstepped my bounds stating that much.'Nuff said. Prayers offered to Bennett and all involved. Sometimes it is easy to forget these guys are human.

YoungTexanFan
11-20-2009, 11:28 PM
A friend of mine works at a local hospital, her telling me the information puts her job at risk due to privacy rights of patients. She is a huge fan of the team, and she knows who the players are.

Fred Bennett has suffered a lose that he has keeped private, and I have overstepped my bounds stating that much.

I'm not following. What does it mean to "suffer a lose"?? He suffered a loss, as in a family member/friend? He has a lose joint? He's losing his hair?

My medical terminology knowledge seems to be coming up short here, any help would be appreciated.

painekiller
11-22-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm not following. What does it mean to "suffer a lose"?? He suffered a loss, as in a family member/friend? He has a lose joint? He's losing his hair?

My medical terminology knowledge seems to be coming up short here, any help would be appreciated.

suffice it to say he has suffered a huge personal lose that would set anyone back.

Again I am placing my friends job at jeopardy stating this much. Neither Fred nor the team disclosed anything about the matter, which means the family wants it to stay personal. Respect that the player is also a person with a life outside the field and we do not always know the details.

I just hope that the lose he suffered is not suffered by any of you. Yet things happen and life goes on.

Fred Bennett and Molden will both have to earn their spots next off season. IMO.