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Wolf
10-27-2009, 06:59 PM
Coach Gary Kubiak said it shouldn't have made a difference if Alex Smith or Shaun Hill were playing quarterback for the 49ers in the second half of Sunday's 24-21 Texans victory.

Smith came off the bench in the second half and threw three touchdown passes to tight end Vernon Davis down the middle. Some Texans defensive players said they had no idea who Smith was.

“There's no difference; they weren't running any different plays,” Kubiak said. “There's no excuse for that. Whoever's playing quarterback you've got to defend what they're doing. In the second half, we didn't play with the same attention to detail, coverage-wise, leverage-wise.”


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6687664.html

Interesting comment because from what I could tell, 49ers went more of a spread offense and seemed we didn't adjust ...just curious if he is talking strictly to the players or play calling or a little of both

drunkcookie
10-27-2009, 07:06 PM
Yah I heard that comment... dunno what to think about it... I dunno who he was talking about, maybe both...

And I don't care if they were running the same plays or not, Alex Smith was more effective IMO, esspecially scrambling...

Texans_Chick
10-27-2009, 07:43 PM
Here's the better link that contains all the quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5737) regarding the defense (thank goodness for HT.com):

(on the defense not having prepared for 49ers QB Alex Smith) "There's no difference—they weren't running any different plays. They were running power-O and throwing deep-overs. No, there is no excuse for that; whoever's playing quarterback you got to go out there and defend what they're doing. I just think in the second half we didn't play with the same attention to detail coverage-wise, leverage-wise. You know, you go out and jump off-sides three times in the first drive of the second half, to me that's focus. So obviously we didn't have the same focus in the second half we had in the first."

(on what happened on 49ers' second touchdown coverage-wise) "I'm trying to think of which one it was. We're in quarters. He's (LB DeMeco Ryans) got to go get some body on that kid—that guy's a heck of a player and as athletic a tight end as there is in the National Football League and if you let him run free, there's not many linebackers going to keep up with him so he's got to go get some body on him there, he's got to get some help from (S Bernard) Pollard there and that's just kind of what I'm talking about, the attention to detail, technique of playing that coverage."

(on if they were playing quarters, would it be the defensive backs fault) "You're a coverage expert now? When you're in quarters, both of them have their responsibilities. (LB) DeMeco (Ryans) has to go over there and get somebody on the guy. You've got to go push him wide; help push him out there to (S) Bernard (Pollard). Bernard has got to squeeze the play some. You're right. It belongs to both of them."

(on the run defense being a source of pride among the defense) "It's been very good for the last month. This back yesterday is a fine player and they had (RB Glen) Coffee also. We played very sound in the run game and I think that's gone with the success of our team here the past few weeks because our defense has stepped up and played so well. We had a lot of ground to make up. Hopefully we can keep going and we'll face another good back this week."



For anyone who watched the presser live, who asked the third question?

jaayteetx
10-27-2009, 08:13 PM
my question is, why were we covering Vernon Davis with a LB? Dudes got wheels.

feebleminded
10-27-2009, 08:15 PM
Here's the better link that contains all the quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5737) regarding the defense (thank goodness for HT.com):



For anyone who watched the presser live, who asked the third question?

McClain

DexmanC
10-27-2009, 08:33 PM
my question is, why were we covering Vernon Davis with a LB? Dudes got wheels.

It's the same reason OD was open all day. They are TIGHT ENDS.
When a team puts 3 wide receivers on the field, you're gonna put
3 cornerbacks on them. That leaves linebackers to cover tight ends.
Yeah, it sucks. But Houston burns teams every week with the same
mismatch.

jaayteetx
10-27-2009, 09:06 PM
It's the same reason OD was open all day. They are TIGHT ENDS.
When a team puts 3 wide receivers on the field, you're gonna put
3 cornerbacks on them. That leaves linebackers to cover tight ends.
Yeah, it sucks. But Houston burns teams every week with the same
mismatch.

actually, i think SF had some dbs covering OD for part of the game, i believe

DexmanC
10-27-2009, 09:31 PM
actually, i think SF had some dbs covering OD for part of the game, i believe

Which in my response I specifically stated the 3-wide, 1 TE set the
9'ers went to in the second half. You're referring to the Texans
in the 3 TE set. Of course they can use corners on the TE and get
away with it, as there is only 1 WR on the field.

buddyboy
10-27-2009, 09:34 PM
Here's the better link that contains all the quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5737) regarding the defense (thank goodness for HT.com):



For anyone who watched the presser live, who asked the third question?

Wow. Seems like Gary didn't wake up on the right side of the bed before that presser.

:ohsnap:

Ouch McClain. Ouch.

DexmanC
10-27-2009, 09:44 PM
Wow. Seems like Gary didn't wake up on the right side of the bed before that presser.

:ohsnap:

Ouch McClain. Ouch.

You can still see the video on the main page. He was just seizing an
opportunity to poke fun at John Mcclain. Who wouldn't?

DerekLee1
10-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Here's the better link that contains all the quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5737) regarding the defense (thank goodness for HT.com)

He actually called out a couple of players. That's new for him.

Lucky
10-27-2009, 10:22 PM
my question is, why were we covering Vernon Davis with a LB? Dudes got wheels.

It's the same reason OD was open all day. They are TIGHT ENDS.
When a team puts 3 wide receivers on the field, you're gonna put
3 cornerbacks on them. That leaves linebackers to cover tight ends.
Yeah, it sucks. But Houston burns teams every week with the same
mismatch.
Daniels torched All Pro Patrick Willis. Ryans and Willis are premier LBs. But, they can't handle TEs like Davis and Daniels in pass coverage. Complete mismatches and poor defensive play calling that put these LBs in these coverages.

beerlover
10-27-2009, 10:31 PM
Daniels torched All Pro Patrick Willis. Ryans and Willis are premier LBs. But, they can't handle TEs like Davis and Daniels in pass coverage. Complete mismatches and poor defensive play calling that put these LBs in these coverages.

this is an excellent reason to draft a premier coverage LB who has the speed, length & range to cover elite TE's, complimenting what we already have (SAM/MLB).

DexmanC
10-27-2009, 10:37 PM
this is an excellent reason to draft a premier coverage LB who has the speed, length & range to cover elite TE's, complimenting what we already have (SAM/MLB).

Hmmm.. Subtle way of saying Zac Diles sucks, and replacing him
needs to be a top priority next offseason?

disaacks3
10-27-2009, 10:39 PM
Daniels torched All Pro Patrick Willis. Ryans and Willis are premier LBs. But, they can't handle TEs like Davis and Daniels in pass coverage. Complete mismatches and poor defensive play calling that put these LBs in these coverages. QFT! Singletary has got Davis re-invented and OD is a pass-receiving machine - asking any LB to cover them all day is gonna get you burned more than once.

beerlover
10-27-2009, 11:56 PM
Hmmm.. Subtle way of saying Zac Diles sucks, and replacing him
needs to be a top priority next offseason?

Not saying Zach Diles sucks, he provides excellent depth & can play all three postions. However to perfectly fit position he cannot drag in downfield coverage, face it he's not fast enough (4.65) to match-up with other teams weapons. Besides speed he is also rather short (maybe 6-2) to alter passing lanes, tip balls & create bigger zone coverage. Excellent value with 7th rd. pick & to upgrade position would require a big jump in talent, since he possess so many intangibles. To get a player like that the Texans probably need to target the best in the draft, another 1st probably not but maybe a 2nd. this would complete an absolute steller LB group with depth. :twocents:

Vinny
10-28-2009, 01:03 AM
QFT! Singletary has got Davis re-invented and OD is a pass-receiving machine - asking any LB to cover them all day is gonna get you burned more than once.
I know the 9ers covered Daniels with Clements when AJ went down. That says quite a bit about OD.

infantrycak
10-28-2009, 01:47 AM
QFT! Singletary has got Davis re-invented and OD is a pass-receiving machine - asking any LB to cover them all day is gonna get you burned more than once.

I know the 9ers covered Daniels with Clements when AJ went down. That says quite a bit about OD.

I can't believe each week when I see teams still try to cover OD with a LB. Like Lucky said, top tier LB's like Ryans and Willis are not going to consistently cover OD. Schaub has to be walking to the line just chuckling to himself.

BigBull17
10-28-2009, 07:21 AM
Here's the better link that contains all the quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5737) regarding the defense (thank goodness for HT.com):



For anyone who watched the presser live, who asked the third question?

That was very funny when he told that weezing wind bag that. Made me crack up.:turtle:

76Texan
10-28-2009, 12:52 PM
As I counted the numbers of plays by the Niners, the results are as followed:

In the first half, they went:
- No-back once
- Single-back 12 times
- Two-back 8 times (mostly toward the end of the half)
- One direct snap

In the second half, they went:
- No-back 4 times
- Single-back 17 times (6 straight times on their last drive - no point)
- Two-back 9 times
- One direct snap

We were rarely in our nickel in either half.
Instead we mostly stayed in the base 4-3 the whole game.

So overall, they did went with the spread slightly a little more, but it was insignificant.

The D simply did not play well in the second half (all 3 units).

Definitely, it was a little more of a prevent defense in the second half.

Second Honeymoon
10-28-2009, 01:16 PM
The defense struggles to put 4 quarters of good play together. nothing new.

the defense needs to continue to show measured improvement though, and I think we have to some degree. now we just need to see that improvement to a level where we can consistently be prepared to play and able to compete against the great offenses in this league. Can Frank Bush take us to where we want to go? that remains to be seen, but if Bush can't do it, get someone that can next year, because Kubiak/Lil Shanny have shown that they know how to get yards, scores, and TDs in today's league. We are finally going to the end zone and not just settling for field goals in the red zone.

It truly is awesome that our offense has come so far so fast...Schaub and Daniels is starting to become the new Aikman to Novacek in league circles. I think that diving touchdown catch by Daniels a few weeks back has really made them a hot commodity lately.

oh, and we gotta give our hopes and prayers to AJ for a speedy recovery. take your time and get right first.

BigBull17
10-28-2009, 02:03 PM
I can't believe each week when I see teams still try to cover OD with a LB. Like Lucky said, top tier LB's like Ryans and Willis are not going to consistently cover OD. Schaub has to be walking to the line just chuckling to himself.

OD ate Willis alive. I found that a little suprising.

Double Barrel
10-28-2009, 03:16 PM
Interesting quotes by Kubiak. It is very revealing that he's actually naming names.

However, after that first (or even second) TD, was the DC over there chewing some butt and pointing out these coverage mistakes? Were our players instructed what they did wrong and continued to make the same mistakes? Or was the defensive play called and they just failed three times?

These answers just leave me with more questions!

hookinreds
10-28-2009, 05:00 PM
Forgive me if I’m a little off on these three touchdowns, but here is what I remember from watching the replay on Monday.

Davis TD #1
Ryans is lined up over the middle 5 yards deep, Diles crept up on the WS line to blitz and Pollard crept in on the WS about 7 yards off the LOS. Davis slanted in front of Ryans and then up the seam between Pollard and Ryans as Pollard committed to the WS WR lined up wide to cover a slant. Before Pollard saw him coming Davis speed allowed him to clear both.

Davis TD#2
Ryans lined up WS middle about 3 yds off LOS, Cushing about 5 yds off LOS and nearly in the middle of Davis with another WR wide right with a corner playing off. Davis streaks right up the field and as Cushing tries to slide over Davis fakes the out and Cushing bites on it and continues to slide as Davis continues on the streak as Ryans sees the breakdown as he slides back over to the middle but can’t catch up while Pollard was deciding between the streaking WR and streaking Davis coming at him. Smith drops the pass right in between the coverage.

Davis TD#3 – Pretty much the same route as #1 but add twins right, with a DB playing inside the slot WR and outside Davis. Davis just blew up the middle and right by Ryans as Pollard was picking which streaking WR to help with. Smith made a very good throw right between the coverage again.

In TD #1 was Pollard in the right position, just underestimated Davis’ speed?
In TD #2 did Pollard/Ryans have enough time to commit to helping after Cushing bit on the fake…or in that scheme was he supposed to release on a deep route and play the flat?
In TD#3 should Pollard have been able to commit earlier to helping Ryans since there were two DBs on the WRs going deep?

This isn’t intended to dog any of the players as much is it is to try and dissect the breakdown…or perhaps pretty good play calling against what we showed on D and some fine tuning needed on our part in regard to communicating assignments. Could this be attributed to Pollard’s limited amount of time working with these LBs?

drunkcookie
10-28-2009, 05:31 PM
good observations...

whatever happened I hope they figure it out... a blessing we went through this so later down the road we've got a better solution for similar situations... glad it happened in a game we did enough right to win...

76Texan
10-28-2009, 05:42 PM
Forgive me if I’m a little off on these three touchdowns, but here is what I remember from watching the replay on Monday.

Davis TD #1
Ryans is lined up over the middle 5 yards deep, Diles crept up on the WS line to blitz and Pollard crept in on the WS about 7 yards off the LOS. Davis slanted in front of Ryans and then up the seam between Pollard and Ryans as Pollard committed to the WS WR lined up wide to cover a slant. Before Pollard saw him coming Davis speed allowed him to clear both.

Davis TD#2
Ryans lined up WS middle about 3 yds off LOS, Cushing about 5 yds off LOS and nearly in the middle of Davis with another WR wide right with a corner playing off. Davis streaks right up the field and as Cushing tries to slide over Davis fakes the out and Cushing bites on it and continues to slide as Davis continues on the streak as Ryans sees the breakdown as he slides back over to the middle but can’t catch up while Pollard was deciding between the streaking WR and streaking Davis coming at him. Smith drops the pass right in between the coverage.

Davis TD#3 – Pretty much the same route as #1 but add twins right, with a DB playing inside the slot WR and outside Davis. Davis just blew up the middle and right by Ryans as Pollard was picking which streaking WR to help with. Smith made a very good throw right between the coverage again.

In TD #1 was Pollard in the right position, just underestimated Davis’ speed?
In TD #2 did Pollard/Ryans have enough time to commit to helping after Cushing bit on the fake…or in that scheme was he supposed to release on a deep route and play the flat?
In TD#3 should Pollard have been able to commit earlier to helping Ryans since there were two DBs on the WRs going deep?

This isn’t intended to dog any of the players as much is it is to try and dissect the breakdown…or perhaps pretty good play calling against what we showed on D and some fine tuning needed on our part in regard to communicating assignments. Could this be attributed to Pollard’s limited amount of time working with these LBs?
I will break these plays down tomorrow!

Just unbelievable they can happen.

hookinreds
10-29-2009, 12:22 PM
I will break these plays down tomorrow!

Just unbelievable they can happen.

I'll be looking for it.

datchapin
10-29-2009, 02:22 PM
Davis TD#3 – Pretty much the same route as #1 but add twins right, with a DB playing inside the slot WR and outside Davis. Davis just blew up the middle and right by Ryans as Pollard was picking which streaking WR to help with. Smith made a very good throw right between the coverage again.

In TD #1 was Pollard in the right position, just underestimated Davis’ speed?
In TD #2 did Pollard/Ryans have enough time to commit to helping after Cushing bit on the fake…or in that scheme was he supposed to release on a deep route and play the flat?
In TD#3 should Pollard have been able to commit earlier to helping Ryans since there were two DBs on the WRs going deep?

This isn’t intended to dog any of the players as much is it is to try and dissect the breakdown…or perhaps pretty good play calling against what we showed on D and some fine tuning needed on our part in regard to communicating assignments. Could this be attributed to Pollard’s limited amount of time working with these LBs?

On the last TD Demeco looks like he's in position to make the play, but he plays VD and never looks back for the ball. At least that's what it looked like to me.

hradhak
10-29-2009, 06:08 PM
It seems to me that part of the problem is we don't get consistent pressure on the QB. I think the only way our talent deficient secondary is going to look good is that our d-line and blitz schemes need to get more pressure and make the QB not throw the pass he wants. I think most QBs in this league are good enough to beat you given enough time.

thunderkyss
10-29-2009, 07:22 PM
It truly is awesome that our offense has come so far so fast...Schaub and Daniels is starting to become the new Aikman to Novacek in league circles. I think that diving touchdown catch by Daniels a few weeks back has really made them a hot commodity lately.


Neither the offense, or the defense did much of anything in the second half.

We've got a 30 minute offense, and a 30 minute defense... they're about even.

DocBar
10-29-2009, 07:44 PM
Like someone else posted, we got a taste of our own medicine on those plays. Also, if you live by the blitz, you will die by the blitz. Our blitz packages just aren't that effective, for the most part. There must be some tell that the QB's are seeing and us fans are missing.