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barrett
10-27-2009, 01:58 AM
I'm doing this in two halves since this game seems to be the tale of two halves. In "the good half" the Texans score 21 unanswered points and only let the opposing offense across the 50 once when #23 is caught cheating.

DEFENSE first half
From a defensive perspective I could almost cut and paste from last week. The front 7 does a near perfect job against the run and the back 8 is smart but aggressive against the pass. The guys that were in the dog house early in the season are a mirror image of the entire defense as they have done a complete 180 since week one. Pressure on the QB is an issue more so this week than last even though they get 2 sacks and almost 3.

DL's

Williams doesn't get much pressure in the first half. As best I can tell the sack on the first snap was a mistake from the WR who seemed to run a slant when the QB was looking for a quick pass to the sideline. One of the ways that 90 is so impressive though is is size and speed. Just by jumping and waving his arms around he's completely disruptive in the face of the QB. Then he's able to quickly attack the second the passer drops his throwing arm. He's still stellar against the run. Imagine if he was healthy.

Okoye plays the best half I've ever seen him play against the run. He is amazing at the point of attack. He hold's his position magnificently allowing the LB's to attack at will. He even breaks off his (often two) blockers and makes key stops at the bottom of the piles. He doesn't look as impressive against the pass. He's not using his hands like he was last week that I can see.

Cody plays similarly against the run except he seems to consistently get better penetration. Against the pass he's a bit more disruptive as well but not to the point that I feel complimentary. He nearly gets a sack right before the half with the help of a blitz.

Smith is very explosive on some plays and seems tied up on others. I can give him the same evaluation I gave Cody. He get's pretty good penetration and is very good at standing his ground. Against the pass when he slides in he can be very good at making the pocket ugly but not really ever causing the QB to make adjustments or alter his throwing motion.

Zgonina plays the best half I've ever seen him play. Makes takles against the run. Is unmoveable. Makes some trouble in the pass. Hell he even gets a sack (I can't really explain what the RG was doing but it wasn't pass blocking).

Barwin is starting to look more violent at the point of attack. Instead of engaging and calling it a day he seems to be a bit more trouble (but not much) and I feel like I'm seeing his run awareness improving each week.

Bulman generally ineffective against the pass and I can't recolect seeing him in against the run.

Robinson is only in on a few plays and is, as always, extremely disruptive on the plays that I see him but get this... He's the only DT I see getting moved out of his gap at all. I can't figure out if it's because he's 2 yards in the backfield and therefore it looks like he's out of position or if he's just the only that is getting moved horizontally at all. Is it possible that DelJuan Robinson is no longer playing like the 2nd best DT on the Texans? How could I have come to this conclusion? It's been so obvious before. Here's why:

The front 4 as a whole is absurdly effective against the run because they continue to maintain their gap integrity to the point of bordome from a viewing perspective. Nobody ever get's moved out of their gap ts. 91 is being attacked by two guys on occasion and he doesn't move at all. I can't figure it out. These are not 350 pounders. But all of them, from 90, 91, 95 and 94 it's like columns that the LB's fill with ease. Against the pass they are equally unmoveable... problem is, that's not really what we're going for against the pass. Unlike last week they don't seem to get much pressure that I can see. Nobody comes free for the most part when a blitz is called either and when they do get free it's never in time to have an effect other than Cody's almost sack.

LB's

Diles continues to be the 3rd best LB on the field but that's not so bad with this group. He sound again and makes no noticable mistakes that I can find. None. All I can come up with is that he's ineffective as a blitzer. He destroys Gore on a play as 59 is bringing him to the ground. This "mean" Frank Bush D will begin to take it's toll as this continues.

Ryans brings it on every single play. He plays as perfect as I could invision him playing. This is not an over statement. Boring right? True too.

Cushing overruns 1 play by about 3 feet as best I can tell and is able to correct by taking one extra step. I don't think this guy is going to pan out. They don't seem to be sending him on blitzes in the first half like they did last week. Against the run he's very solid but he's overshadowed by #59. He will be a consistent play maker though I can assure you. As the QB is sliding down on a scramble several players get a hit in but 56 takes a punch at the ball and that kind of stuff will pay off eventually.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that these guys are playing 100% mistake free football. They are reading the runs perfectly and tackling perfectly. They are in position in coverage and effective in every phase except the blitzes. But being ineffective isn't a mistake to me. It's not good technique or physically they are being asked to do something that they aren't able to do well. It looks like they just engage. 56 was clearly better at this last week.

DB's

Robinson is not a factor because the QB doesn't throw to his side that I can remember. When he does he get's caught cheating and it allows the S.F. offense to cross midfield for the only time in the first half. He isn't a factor against the run because the RB's never get out of the backfield. He makes up for his pass interference by getting an offensive pass interference call by getting in the way.

Reeves looks slightly sloppy in coverage on one deep out but that's being extrememly picky. It's a good route and a great throw. He doesn't seem to be a factor either in the run game. The QB isn't throwing to the CB's part of the field.

Quin makes a great play on a screen and attacks before the block can take him out of the play. He continues to hit hard. He makes a great play early on to knock the ball away on an out route earlly to retire the side. Dudes gonna be a player.

Pollard makes big time tackle on a reverse I believe. He continues to take good angles to the ball.

Wilson is always in a good position as well. Does his job as well as he can from his position on the field.

The DB's are facing a QB who is not making good decisions. They aren't really tested but when they are they are in position and the make plays and never put the team in jeopardy. (Other than 23's big pass interference play)


I've never felt so impressed by how confident, intelligent and physical this defense is playing. But I can't help but wonder when we're going to look bad because we can't get any pressure on the QB. We're lucky to be playing against Shawn Hill. A good QB could expose us if we get this little pressure. We were better last week. Is S.F.'s Oline better than Cincy's? Is that what it is? I don't care about sacks. I care about pressure. Our QB get's pressured and he still looks great but hey, he's the #1 QB in the league... most guys wouldn't look that good under pressure.

vanknights2002
10-27-2009, 02:07 AM
I'm doing this in two halves since this game seems to be the tale of two halves. In "the good half" the Texans score 21 unanswered points and only let the opposing offense across the 50 once when #23 is caught cheating.

DEFENSE
From a defensive perspective I could almost cut and paste from last week. The front 7 does a near perfect job against the run and the back 8 is smart but aggressive against the pass. The guys that were in the dog house early in the season are a mirror image of the entire defense as they have done a complete 180 since week one. Pressure on the QB is an issue more so this week than last even though they get 2 sacks and almost 3.

DL's

Williams doesn't get much pressure in the first half. As best I can tell the sack on the first snap was a mistake from the WR who seemed to run a slant when the QB was looking for a quick pass to the sideline. One of the ways that 90 is so impressive though is is size and speed. Just by jumping and waving his arms around he's completely disruptive in the face of the QB. Then he's able to quickly attack the second the passer drops his throwing arm. He's still stellar against the run. Imagine if he was healthy.

Okoye plays the best half I've ever seen him play against the run. He is amazing at the point of attack. He hold's his position magnificently allowing the LB's to attack at will. He even breaks off his (often two) blockers and makes key stops at the bottom of the piles. He doesn't look as impressive against the pass. He's not using his hands like he was last week that I can see.

Cody plays similarly against the run except he seems to consistently get better penetration. Against the pass he's a bit more disruptive as well but not to the point that I feel complimentary. He nearly gets a sack right before the half with the help of a blitz.

Smith is very explosive on some plays and seems tied up on others. I can give him the same evaluation I gave Cody. He get's pretty good penetration and is very good at standing his ground. Against the pass when he slides in he can be very good at making the pocket ugly but not really ever causing the QB to make adjustments or alter his throwing motion.

Zgonina plays the best half I've ever seen him play. Makes takles against the run. Is unmoveable. Makes some trouble in the pass. Hell he even gets a sack (I can't really explain what the RG was doing but it wasn't pass blocking).

Barwin is starting to look more violent at the point of attack. Instead of engaging and calling it a day he seems to be a bit more trouble (but not much) and I feel like I'm seeing his run awareness improving each week.

Bulman generally ineffective against the pass and I can't recolect seeing him in against the run.

Robinson is only in on a few plays and is, as always, extremely disruptive on the plays that I see him but get this... He's the only DT I see getting moved out of his gap at all. I can't figure out if it's because he's 2 yards in the backfield and therefore it looks like he's out of position or if he's just the only that is getting moved horizontally at all. Is it possible that DelJuan Robinson is no longer playing like the 2nd best DT on the Texans? How could I have come to this conclusion? It's been so obvious before. Here's why:

The front 4 as a whole is absurdly effective against the run because they continue to maintain their gap integrity to the point of bordome from a viewing perspective. Nobody ever get's moved out of their gap ts. 91 is being attacked by two guys on occasion and he doesn't move at all. I can't figure it out. These are not 350 pounders. But all of them, from 90, 91, 95 and 94 it's like columns that the LB's fill with ease. Against the pass they are equally unmoveable... problem is, that's not really what we're going for against the pass. Unlike last week they don't seem to get much pressure that I can see. Nobody comes free for the most part when a blitz is called either and when they do get free it's never in time to have an effect other than Cody's almost sack.

LB's

Diles continues to be the 3rd best LB on the field but that's not so bad with this group. He sound again and makes no noticable mistakes that I can find. None. All I can come up with is that he's ineffective as a blitzer. He destroys Gore on a play as 59 is bringing him to the ground. This "mean" Frank Bush D will begin to take it's toll as this continues.

Ryans brings it on every single play. He plays as perfect as I could invision him playing. This is not an over statement. Boring right? True too.

Cushing overruns 1 play by about 3 feet as best I can tell and is able to correct by taking one extra step. I don't think this guy is going to pan out. They don't seem to be sending him on blitzes in the first half like they did last week. Against the run he's very solid but he's overshadowed by #59. He will be a consistent play maker though I can assure you. As the QB is sliding down on a scramble several players get a hit in but 56 takes a punch at the ball and that kind of stuff will pay off eventually.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that these guys are playing 100% mistake free football. They are reading the runs perfectly and tackling perfectly. They are in position in coverage and effective in every phase except the blitzes. But being ineffective isn't a mistake to me. It's not good technique or physically they are being asked to do something that they aren't able to do well. It looks like they just engage. 56 was clearly better at this last week.

DB's

Robinson is not a factor because the QB doesn't throw to his side that I can remember. When he does he get's caught cheating and it allows the S.F. offense to cross midfield for the only time in the first half. He isn't a factor against the run because the RB's never get out of the backfield. He makes up for his pass interference by getting an offensive pass interference call by getting in the way.

Reeves looks slightly sloppy in coverage on one deep out but that's being extrememly picky. It's a good route and a great throw. He doesn't seem to be a factor either in the run game. The QB isn't throwing to the CB's part of the field.

Quin makes a great play on a screen and attacks before the block can take him out of the play. He continues to hit hard. He makes a great play early on to knock the ball away on an out route earlly to retire the side. Dudes gonna be a player.

Pollard makes big time tackle on a reverse I believe. He continues to take good angles to the ball.

Wilson is always in a good position as well. Does his job as well as he can from his position on the field.

The DB's are facing a QB who is not making good decisions. They aren't really tested but when they are they are in position and the make plays and never put the team in jeopardy. (Other than 23's big pass interference play)


I've never felt so impressed by how confident, intelligent and physical this defense is playing. But I can't help but wonder when we're going to look bad because we can't get any pressure on the QB. We're lucky to be playing against Shawn Hill. A good QB could expose us if we get this little pressure. We were better last week. Is S.F.'s Oline better than Cincy's? Is that what it is? I don't care about sacks. I care about pressure. Our QB get's pressured and he still looks great but hey, he's the #1 QB in the league... most guys wouldn't look that good under pressure.

Like how you put it, but i disagree on Robinson. The QB isn't throwing toward him like you say. But he is a factor in the run when it comes to his side. The plays don't always get to him but when they do he bring the hat.

barrett
10-27-2009, 03:14 AM
Like how you put it, but i disagree on Robinson. The QB isn't throwing toward him like you say. But he is a factor in the run when it comes to his side. The plays don't always get to him but when they do he bring the hat.

I don't recall him being in on any tackles on run plays in the first half of this game. This is not an assessment of him in general. It is specific to one half of one football game. I've commented several times in my reviews of the other games that his presence against the run is probably his best asset to this teams success.

mussop
10-27-2009, 03:28 AM
Cushing overruns 1 play by about 3 feet as best I can tell and is able to correct by taking one extra step. I don't think this guy is going to pan out. [/i]

Please explain!

barrett
10-27-2009, 03:47 AM
OFFENSE first half

I really focused on the Zone Blocks on the run plays trying to figure out what's going on. After feeling like Slaton was his old self after last week based on his individual performance I figured that the problem must lie with the linemen. For the most part, turns out that's the case. And not just with the run this week.

Kubiak said that Schaub was their offensive player of the game internally. And you see why when you go back and watch. The OLine plays one of their worst games in pass protection but #8 does a terrific job of avoiding sacks and turnovers while making good decisions and throwing accurately to open guys while under pressure. Everybody is screwing up around him and he just continues to make play after play after play. In the first half he had 0 bad throws and 0 incompletions that I could blame on him. The majority of his incompletions were due to pressure or some sort of contact in the pocket.

OL Do you remember talking about the defense the first few weeks how 8-10 guys were doing their job well and 1 or 2 guys would screw it up for everbody else? Well guess what? The offensive line has taken on that role now that the defense has out grown it (in 3 short weeks). If 1 guy screws up it can mess up the entire play. This guy knows all about that:

Brown has his worst half of football this year. He's sloppy and gets beat early and often. I've found that he tends to get beat early in the game frequently but it always seems to wake him up. Well, it didn't this week. It took an offsides penalty to snap him out of it this time and it was well into the 2nd quarter. He completely whiffs a few times in both run and pass blocking. After his wake-up offsides penalty he decides to man up and plays better but still not his best performance.

Studdard looks fairly good overall but again, he get's out of position or shows bad technique and pow, we're getting a 3 yard loss on a play. He does bail Brown's ass out a few times when 76 is way bent and 64 swoops in and shoves the guy. I do think he's improving. So long as he doesn't max out in the next two years I'm officially content with him on the roster. Not as the starter just yet, but on the roster. I expect to see him improve every single week though until his technique is at least average.

Meyers struggles with the 3-4. All the interior linemen do. They are just too big and strong but he's messy on the 2nd level a few times and again, that's enough to end a positive run. He get's eaten alive on the goal line but fortunately Slaton has out run the DT before it's a factor. He played a much better game last week. Is it him or is it the matchup. I don't feel like he's sloppy. He's just getting whooped. So I'm going with the matchup. I will say that I didn't feel like he ruined as many run plays as the other two guys to his left did though.

White looks decent the majority of the time. Never dominant. never as above average as Briesel did at times. Perhaps slightly below average. I could write the exact same thing about all of the linemen in the first half of this game. They all looked sloppy and overmatched at times and servicable at others. Never dominant, never consistent... except this guy:

Winston play's his best half of the year. He doesn't get run into the back of the pocket like normal and his arms never fail him either. He's been in my doghouse all year especially in pass pro but not today. He is very solid. I can't say he was dominant in the run game but he was much more sound than the rest of them.

Caldwell has emerged. In his two series in the first half, he whiffs on one cut block in his first series but on the next run play he is excellent. He's the key pulling block behind Winston and Vonta that get 20 into the endzone on the first score.He looks very good in pass protection mostly because of his athleticism shining through but it's clear he's less sloppy than last week. He still has some of that young Duane Brown sloppy and recover but he looks big and strong and fast and I might also add that He will replace Catfish at RG before the end of the season. Next year what do we do with Pitts/Studdard and Briesel/Caldwell?

I don't know how much of a factor it is that we lost 2 of our starting linemen because all these guys have been in this system with the same coach Gibbs for the same amount of time. But it's VERY clear that they don't have the synch that they had last year. From a timing perspective they certianly do but it seems like on almost every single run play 1 of the 5 is making a big enough physical error to really mess the whole thing up. Maybe everybody's doing their job but the RG gets turned sideways against the DE and then the line to the lane is obstructed or the C whiffs at the second level allowing the MLB to fill the cutback lane. It's just that it's happening on every run play. The 2 or 3 where it doesn't happen are always bigger runs. The majority of the problem though is that they aren't getting the interior to slide sideways. they are getting pinned in. The plays aren't sliding sideways like they should. A big part of that can be blamed on these guys:

TE'S

Normally I lump them in with the WR's as "pass catchers" but I want to single them out for two reasons: 1 good and 1 bad. I'll start with the bad

Dreesen plays very badly as a blocker. When the TE's get blown up like this there is kind of a log jam at the front side of the play and 85 was playing like a badger trying to create a flood. He is constantly getting manhandled by the DE or OLB. I noticed poor TE play against the Jets too and it could be a product of TE's vs. 3-4. I can't be sure but I can be sure that Dreesen had his worst half of football this year. He is not targeted in the open field and therefore cannont redeem himself.

the good

"Open" Daniels has never been a truer nickname than last Sunday. He caught the ball and ran with it. I don't mean to take anything away from him because I think he's a very good TE but apparently the 49ers watched film on Houston and decided that the TE is not a major target in the Oilers offense. He also had ANOTHER LUCKY FUMBLE. When is his luck going to run out? He was a much better blocker than Dreesen but he didn't really have much time to block because he was always catching the ball and running with it. He had 1 of 2 drops by Texans pass catchers in the first half. None of them were by the WR's.

Casey saw time in what I predict to become our most prolific formation. The 3 TE set. This one I saw ran 2 times and one resulted in a TD to 81 and the other a massive hole over the left side despite the fact that 76 completely forgot to block his guy. 86 came across and put a HUGE block to spring 22 for 7 or 8 yards.

RB's

Slaton had a strange angle to pick up a block that cost us on our first series but for the most part was very good in protection. Looked good in space and scored a TD on the ground behind good blocking and a TD through the air behind Winston cheating but not getting caught. The deep pass that he drops hits him in the hands / chest but I will argue that the ball arrives just as he crosses from the shadowed end of the field to the sun drenched end. Factor? Maybe. Or maybe he's not a good downfield receiver. His vision running was not as improved as I had hoped. On 1st and 10 for our 2 minute drive he has a homerun lane to the stong side. I think at some point you loose sight of the obvious because he's so used to defenders in the backfield. When David Anderson is man up on a DE you want to run to the other side.

Brown continues to prove to me that he is not effective. His only positive is that his size allows him to fall forward for positive yards. His cuts are bad and slow and he falls once he's through the line regardless because he's trying to get his pads down. I can't help but feel like we could be better off with Arian Foster. I would at least like to give him a chance. Activate him and give him 1 or 2 runs. Brown has no burst and no vision that I can see. Furthermore he's lackluster in this instance the 1 time I see him have to pick up a blitz.

Leach lays the block behind 73 that guarantees Slaton's TD run. Othewise he is impressive but not good enough to make up for all the mistakes by the OLine and TE's in the run blocking.

The run game is working. Just like last week. It's getting yards but it's not very impressive but it is serving it's purpose. I can only hope that when the OLine finally gels (and I do think it's a matter of time) it will have benefited us because we will be that much more comfortable with the passing schemes and it could line us up for a hell of a run towards the end of the season. Or, it could be our demise. Gotta love them Texans!

WR's

Johnson is a sissy. As it turns out, his injury occured after his first catch and he plays the entire half but never gets another ball thrown his way. He's not as covered as I thought he was but 81 is so open the entire game there's no point in risking it. I can't tell from the bad TV angles if his injury was effecting his route running or not. If you somehow didn't love him before this helmet hiding story...

Walter continues to lay crushing blocks at times and makes all the catches thrown his way. I would absolutely hate to loose him next year. He's the most consistent WR we have.

Anderson gets eaten alive trying to run block and for some reason doesn't run his route right before the half and it causes 8 to take a sack. (It's possible that it was 20's job to run a route I suppose but they were both in the backfield blocking the same guy.) He needs to improve his run blocking considerably. I know he's tiny but he has to find a way to be more effective. activating Martinez could be the answer. I know we all love 89 but it's not his skill set that makes him a good guy to have on the team. I want someone who can run routes, catch AND BLOCK.

Jones is not targeted at all but I wanted to give him props for making all the punt catches in the sun and running back a punt for a fake TD. Sure am glad the coaches didn't quit on him. Plus I like how odd he is with his mannerisms.

These guys simply do not drop balls. Most of them block above well for league standards. What more could be possibly want out of them. Do they even get coached? WOW.

Overall the Offense was massively successful despite the left side of the OLine and Joel Dreesen because the guys steering the ship was at his best and all his targets were perfect and the coach has stuck with the run. It's almost too easy.

TexanSacDawg
10-27-2009, 04:24 AM
i was with you in this thread until you said The pick of Cushing wont pan out but most of all when you called AJ a sissy anfter i read u call johnson a sissy this thread should be trash

DexmanC
10-27-2009, 04:25 AM
i was with you in this thread until you said The pick of Cushing wont pan out but most of all when you called AJ a sissy anfter i read u call johnson a sissy this thread should be trash

I believe he's being sarcastic. When you read the entire block of text, it
should be obvious in context. But, as we all know, sarcasm is the most
invisible in text form.

TexanSacDawg
10-27-2009, 04:27 AM
I believe he's being sarcastic. When you read the entire block of text, it
should be obvious in context. But, as we all know, sarcasm is the most
invisible in text form.

well if this is true then all if forgivin :toast2:

76Texan
10-27-2009, 08:46 AM
Reeves is back to his old form! :spit:

Schaub did a good job considering, but he still hold on to the ball too long at certain critical times; both sacks were past 4 secs.

Caldwell missed badly on the defender; that led to Slaton fumbling the ball.

noxiousdog
10-27-2009, 08:48 AM
i was with you in this thread until you said The pick of Cushing wont pan out but most of all when you called AJ a sissy anfter i read u call johnson a sissy this thread should be trash

Mario is terrible too.

El Tejano
10-27-2009, 09:01 AM
Mario is terrible too.

Careful. Everyone around here is going to start shooting arrows at you for saying that even if you are being sarcastic.

noxiousdog
10-27-2009, 09:35 AM
Careful. Everyone around here is going to start shooting arrows at you for saying that even if you are being sarcastic.

That's makes it more fun ;)

nunusguy
10-27-2009, 09:51 AM
Good stuff Barrett, I enjoyed your analysis and comments.

Jackie Chiles
10-27-2009, 11:22 AM
OFFENSE first half"Open" Daniels has never been a truer nickname than last Sunday. He caught the ball and ran with it. I don't mean to take anything away from him because I think he's a very good TE but apparently the 49ers watched film on Houston and decided that the TE is not a major target in the Oilers offense.

No one else caught this?

badboy
10-27-2009, 11:46 AM
I think the improvement on the defense points to two things. First is better tackling by most. If you watch Pollard and to some extent Quinn, they tackle well. Maybe others are catching on. The second is the fire brought by Cushing. If you can watch him and not get motivated, maggots must be nibbling your toes. To me to play on same field with him even the O side makes you want to hit somebody. Dbacks have said that they slacked off in 2nd half. Hopefully this will not happen in New York.

DBs:If CBs continue to improve the dire need to draft one high may be eliminated. My crystal ball says DR will be on team next season. FS is still dire need to me but if the rest of D keeps improving, Smith may again ignore this position in draft.

Offensively, Pitts will be gone and LG is a ?mark. Studdard may hold for a while but I think a OG will be drafted that will eventually take this spot. I anticipate Myers moving to RG and Caldwell being the center to stop the pounding that Myers and Shaub may get.

RB: There has to be an improvement here, but I've been saying that for years. If DTs continue to stop the run and occasionally disturb QB, we may not see a high round DT drafted. Smith may use a 2nd if Gerhart or Anthony Dixon have good seasons and do well at combine.

TE : this is like a movie mystery. OD definitely "done it" pro bowl but may not get the offer he wants. I can see this MB blowing up in the off season if Smith decides to go with Dreesen, Hill and "Mr. Versatility".

It was only a few weeks ago we were thinking "If the offense continues putting points on the board and defense improves just a little..." well here we are. 5-3 will be T-A-S-T-Y!

barrett
10-27-2009, 12:44 PM
No one else caught this?

I hope you caught it. It was very intentional. Think about it...

Jackie Chiles
10-27-2009, 01:08 PM
I hope you caught it. It was very intentional. Think about it...

Never watched the Oilers at all, was probably in middle school when they left and just wasn't a fan of the NFL at the time. I really don't know how I went through life like that but in a way I am glad I don't have those scars. I am going to guess now that the TE was never really a part of the Oilers offense back in the day.

DexmanC
10-27-2009, 01:51 PM
No one else caught this?

Seemed to be a reference to the old run and shoot days. There was
no tight end on the roster in those day. I was too young to watch
the oilers, but I played a TON of Tecmo Superbowl.

76Texan
10-27-2009, 02:11 PM
Never watched the Oilers at all, was probably in middle school when they left and just wasn't a fan of the NFL at the time. I really don't know how I went through life like that but in a way I am glad I don't have those scars. I am going to guess now that the TE was never really a part of the Oilers offense back in the day.

Not during the most fun time I had watching the Oilers, especially during the Bum Phillips' day.
They always have one or two good TEs.

The best year was 1980 with Casper (from the Raiders) joining Barber to form a 2-head monster.
They combined for 93 catches on 501 pass attempts.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/1980.htm
Casper made the Pro-Bowl that year.

For comparison, last year the Texans attempted 555 passes.
That would be 103 catches to split between O.D. and Dresseen.
Their actual number was 81 (70+11).

DocBar
10-27-2009, 02:53 PM
I'm rather curious as to why the 9ers would be gameplanning for the Oilers, considering the Oilers don't play in Houston anymore and the Titans had the weekend off. Other than that, good posts and analysis.

76Texan
10-27-2009, 04:55 PM
OFFENSE first half

The OLine plays one of their worst games in pass protection but #8 does a terrific job of avoiding sacks and turnovers while making good decisions and throwing accurately to open guys while under pressure. Everybody is screwing up around him and he just continues to make play after play after play. In the first half he had 0 bad throws and 0 incompletions that I could blame on him. The majority of his incompletions were due to pressure or some sort of contact in the pocket.


Meyers struggles with the 3-4. All the interior linemen do. They are just too big and strong but he's messy on the 2nd level a few times and again, that's enough to end a positive run. He get's eaten alive on the goal line but fortunately Slaton has out run the DT before it's a factor. He played a much better game last week. Is it him or is it the matchup. I don't feel like he's sloppy. He's just getting whooped. So I'm going with the matchup. I will say that I didn't feel like he ruined as many run plays as the other two guys to his left did though.

White looks decent the majority of the time.

Caldwell has emerged. In his two series in the first half, he whiffs on one cut block in his first series but on the next run play he is excellent. He's the key pulling block behind Winston and Vonta that get 20 into the endzone on the first score.He looks very good in pass protection mostly because of his athleticism shining through but it's clear he's less sloppy than last week. He still has some of that young Duane Brown sloppy and recover but he looks big and strong and fast and I might also add that He will replace Catfish at RG before the end of the season. Next year what do we do with Pitts/Studdard and Briesel/Caldwell?



Slaton had a strange angle to pick up a block that cost us on our first series but for the most part was very good in protection. .

Anderson gets eaten alive trying to run block and for some reason doesn't run his route right before the half and it causes 8 to take a sack. (It's possible that it was 20's job to run a route I suppose but they were both in the backfield blocking the same guy.) He needs to improve his run blocking considerably. I know he's tiny but he has to find a way to be more effective. activating Martinez could be the answer. I know we all love 89 but it's not his skill set that makes him a good guy to have on the team. I want someone who can run routes, catch AND BLOCK.

So many things I disagree with and that was the main reason I invited you to do a play by play!
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barrett
10-27-2009, 05:05 PM
Feel free to discuss some of the things that you either agree or disagree with. That is what this forum is for. Discussion. These are merely my observations and opinions after re-watching the entire game in slow motion.

If you're not already watching it that way (on your DVR or something) I would highly recommend it. The speed of the game is dizzying at times and it is really helpful to be able to watch a play six or seven times in slow speed to really see how each individual player is performing. A classic example would be at about 10 minutes in the 3rd quarter there is a run over the left side for about 8 or 9 yards if I remember correctly and you can see perfectly exactly how the ZBS is supposed to work. It is a perfect example of all 11 guys doing exactly what they're supposed to. It's one of only 4 or 5 times that that takes place (on offense) the entire game.

I am curious what do you mean by the "play by play" exactly.

76Texan
10-27-2009, 05:09 PM
Feel free to discuss some of the things that you either agree or disagree with. That is what this forum is for. Discussion. These are merely my observations and opinions after re-watching the entire game in slow motion.

If you're not already watching it that way (on your DVR or something) I would highly recommend it. The speed of the game is dizzying at times and it is really helpful to be able to watch a play six or seven times in slow speed to really see how each individual player is performing. A classic example would be at about 10 minutes in the 3rd quarter there is a run over the left side for about 8 or 9 yards if I remember correctly and you can see perfectly exactly how the ZBS is supposed to work. It is a perfect example of all 11 guys doing exactly what they're supposed to. It's one of only 4 or 5 times that that takes place (on offense) the entire game.

I am curious what do you mean by the "play by play" exactly.
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It would be easier for you to disagree with my observations since they are on play-by-play basis.

It's impossible for me to discuss my disagreement with you since your observations are so generalized (in this case, to the first half, on offense) with hardly a specific example to any of the mishaps.

barrett
10-27-2009, 05:15 PM
ohhhh right. I understand. Hmmmm you're one hell of a typist. It takes me about 5 hours to watch the entire game and discuss each individual player. It's quite an undertaking. I see what you're talking about now though.

TimeKiller
10-27-2009, 05:15 PM
Damn dude people are having a hard time with sarcasm in this thread....

Great job Barrett. Can't say there is much I disagree with except that AJ is no sissy....





I had to. I literally can't help it...

barrett
10-27-2009, 05:22 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66285:fans:

It would be easier for you to disagree with my observations since they are on play-by-play basis.

It's impossible for me to discuss my disagreement with you since your observations are so generalized (in this case, to the first half, on offense) with hardly a specific example to any of the mishaps.

well i'm not sitting down with the game in front of me right now so I'm not going to disagree with you just in principle. I'm not trying to sell my observations to you. I'm just sharing them. If you disagree with the generality of the delivery of my opinions I can live with that. That's how I've decided to approach them. I analyze each and every play but I don't think I have the time to debate each snap with you. I appreciate your efforts just the same. I'll try to read through your dissection and point out anywhere that I strongly disagree when I get back this evening.

p.s. if my observations are so vague that it's impossible for you to discuss your disagreement then how can you be sure you even disagree?

barrett
10-27-2009, 05:23 PM
Damn dude people are having a hard time with sarcasm in this thread....

Great job Barrett. Can't say there is much I disagree with except that AJ is no sissy....





I had to. I literally can't help it...

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. Context is powerful stuff huh?

76Texan
10-27-2009, 05:40 PM
well i'm not sitting down with the game in front of me right now so I'm not going to disagree with you just in principle. I'm not trying to sell my observations to you. I'm just sharing them. If you disagree with the generality of the delivery of my opinions I can live with that. That's how I've decided to approach them. I analyze each and every play but I don't think I have the time to debate each snap with you. I appreciate your efforts just the same. I'll try to read through your dissection and point out anywhere that I strongly disagree when I get back this evening.

p.s. if my observations are so vague that it's impossible for you to discuss your disagreement then how can you be sure you even disagree?

If it's that hard for you to read my play by play analysis and agree/disagree, how do I pinpoint each of my disagreement of each of your statement. For each, I have to dig through the whole half of play.

It's much easier to go play by play and decide which player is doing what, don't you think? Especially since I've already have the framework.

I need to get off-line myself.
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barrett
10-27-2009, 05:44 PM
It's much easier to go play by play and decide which player is doing what, don't you think? Especially since I've already have the framework.
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Again, I do appreciate the leg work that you do. The specifics of your analyses is very helpful in sighting specific instances. I do find it helpful. Thanks.

drunkcookie
10-27-2009, 06:03 PM
wow barrett, that's a lot of good work... haven't finished reading it all but I mean to...

thinking about printing your analysis out, putting a cover on it, grabbing a scarf and thick-framed reading glasses from Wal-Mart and heading to starbucks... a freaking biography man...

Lucky
10-27-2009, 06:52 PM
The run game is working. Just like last week. It's getting yards but it's not very impressive but it is serving it's purpose.
Huh???

I believe he's being sarcastic.
That must be sarcasm, also. Because I don't know how 28 yards on 15 carries could possibly be construed as "working".

The run game wasn't working last week. Or any other week. The Texans have gotten by without a running attack, thus far. Eventually, they will need one in order to put a game away, keep a hot offense off the field, or move the ball in poor conditions. Hopefully, this gets fixed sooner, rather than later.

steelbtexan
10-27-2009, 07:22 PM
Huh???


That must be sarcasm, also. Because I don't know how 28 yards on 15 carries could possibly be construed as "working".

The run game wasn't working last week. Or any other week. The Texans havee gotten by without a running attack, thus far. Eventually, they will need one in order to put a game away, keep a hot offense off the field, or move the ball in poor conditions. Hopefully, this gets fixed sooner, rather than later.

This is why I believe Smithiak will be taking OL in rds 1-3.

If the Texans cant run the ball with A.Gibbs as the OL coach there is definitely an OL talent deficency.

barrett
10-27-2009, 07:47 PM
Huh???


That must be sarcasm, also. Because I don't know how 28 yards on 15 carries could possibly be construed as "working".

The run game wasn't working last week. Or any other week. The Texans havee gotten by without a running attack, thus far. Eventually, they will need one in order to put a game away, keep a hot offense off the field, or move the ball in poor conditions. Hopefully, this gets fixed sooner, rather than later.

If I may quote myself as well:
It's getting yards but it's not very impressive but it is serving it's purpose. That's too many buts but :) in context the statement that you highlighted makes quite a bit of sense.

The run game is working in the sense that it is keeping the defenses reacting to the play action. If you don't believe me, ask Owen Daniels, Shawntae Spencer or Dashon Goldson.

Lucky
10-27-2009, 10:14 PM
The run game is working in the sense that it is keeping the defenses reacting to the play action.
Matt Schaub has made some outstanding play fakes this season. And the Texans o-linemen are well-coached in selling the run on play action. That really has no bearing on how atrocious the running game has been.

30th in rushing yards/game
31st in yards/carry
30th in % of rushes stuffed
Tied for last in fumbles lost

That the Texans have had little help from the rushing "attack" only amplifies the tremendous production from their passing game. The Texans are in the top 10 of every major passing category. The passing game has flourished in spite of the rushing game. Not because of it.

I'm not panicky about the Texans run game. Even Kubiak's worst running teams (the Wali Lundy and Ron Dayne years) put up better numbers than this team. I feel that he and Gibbs will get this straightened out. They'll have to, if the Texans are going to compete for the playoffs.

76Texan
10-28-2009, 12:02 PM
OFFENSE first half

"The OLine plays one of their worst games in pass protection but #8 does a terrific job of avoiding sacks and turnovers while making good decisions and throwing accurately to open guys while under pressure. Everybody is screwing up around him and he just continues to make play after play after play. In the first half he had 0 bad throws and 0 incompletions that I could blame on him. The majority of his incompletions were due to pressure or some sort of contact in the pocket. "

I disagree about the O-line has their worst game in pass protection.
No, Schaub did not do a good job of avoiding sacks.
No, he did not make good decisions consistently.
Schaub had many bad throws and incompletions that were totally on him.

76Texan
10-28-2009, 12:13 PM
Meyers struggles with the 3-4. All the interior linemen do. They are just too big and strong but he's messy on the 2nd level a few times and again, that's enough to end a positive run. He get's eaten alive on the goal line but fortunately Slaton has out run the DT before it's a factor. He played a much better game last week. Is it him or is it the matchup. I don't feel like he's sloppy. He's just getting whooped. So I'm going with the matchup. I will say that I didn't feel like he ruined as many run plays as the other two guys to his left did though.



I can't see how you can have these negative comments on Myers.
He and Winston were our two best O-linemen in this game.

No, Myers is not messy on the second level.

On the TD run by Slaton, Myers threw a good cut block.
The only lineman who did not do the job well on this play was Caldwell.

Caldwell has not emerged.
He kept missing blocks.
(Also, in the second half, he missed the block that let the DT get his helmet on Slaton; with the fumble following.)

His plays are on par for a rookie; he's getting real close to White and Studdard, and that's good.
If he can continue to improve, he can challenge for the starting spot.
But IMHO, he's not there yet.
Now, the coaches may give him a start to justify his draft status.
But I would rather let the plays on the field and in practices dictate the decision.

76Texan
10-28-2009, 12:23 PM
Slaton had a strange angle to pick up a block that cost us on our first series but for the most part was very good in protection. .

Anderson gets eaten alive trying to run block and for some reason doesn't run his route right before the half and it causes 8 to take a sack. (It's possible that it was 20's job to run a route I suppose but they were both in the backfield blocking the same guy.) He needs to improve his run blocking considerably. I know he's tiny but he has to find a way to be more effective. activating Martinez could be the answer. I know we all love 89 but it's not his skill set that makes him a good guy to have on the team. I want someone who can run routes, catch AND BLOCK.No, it wasn't Slaton fault that cost us our first series. He did great on that play, saving Schaub from getting hit.

I don't see how you came up with Anderson gets eaten alive trying to run block?

I don't see how you decide that Anderson was supposed to run a route on the play next to last before the half.
He stayed in to block as the Texans tried to see whether they can go long to Walter or AJ.
Neither one of them was open soon enough.
And Schaub should step up into the pocket if he wanted to wait some more.
We had 7 to block 5.
If he doesn't step up soon enough, he should throw that ball away.
He held on to the ball for over 4 secs just to take a sack?

And I have no idea what you base your thoughts on to say that Anderson is not a good guy to have on the team????

DexmanC
10-28-2009, 01:57 PM
Caldwell has emerged. In his two series in the first half, he whiffs on one cut block in his first series but on the next run play he is excellent. He's the key pulling block behind Winston and Vonta that get 20 into the endzone on the first score.He looks very good in pass protection mostly because of his athleticism shining through but it's clear he's less sloppy than last week. He still has some of that young Duane Brown sloppy and recover but he looks big and strong and fast and I might also add that He will replace Catfish at RG before the end of the season. Next year what do we do with Pitts/Studdard and Briesel/Caldwell?



I'd say the BEST answer to that question would be to Re-sign Chester
Pitts, slide Caldwell to center, and draft a guard in the 1st 3 rounds.
What I think WILL happen, is that Studdard will be named starter,
Caldwell will either slide to center or stay at guard, and Myers will
have a starting spot until mid-next season.