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Wolf
02-20-2005, 11:08 AM
I read that some want us to get Thomas Davis in the draft. Yet, I am wondering Why? and yet wondering how Davis and Earl would be compared/contrasted. I admit I didn't follow N.D. when Earl was playing but what I read is that he was a step below Sean Taylor if Earl wasn't injured.

Thomas Davis bio (http://georgiadogs.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/davis_thomas00.html)

Glenn Earl college bio (http://und.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/earl_glenn00.html)

I read somewhere that earl runs around a 4.5 forty.
and Davis runs a 4.55 forty according to nfldraftblitz.
thomas davis forty (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/s/thomasdavis.html)

just looking a physical size.. Earl (according to the texan website) is 215 and Davis is listed at this time as 230 .. so they are pretty close.

Wolf
02-20-2005, 11:40 AM
yes, he should be there, but we have a Glenn Earl, who is the same height and 15 lbs lighter than Davis.. Coming out of college I thought Earl was known as a big hitter also (next to Sean Taylor).

Would Davis be that much of an upgrade at SS over Earl?

If Davis and either Rolle or Pacman were available, wouldn't it be better to go with a CB if we were targeting secondary? Just because of age of Glenn and needing a nickelback for a year or two until Glenn retires? Coleman has a few years at FS also..

or is the mindset of having Glenn and Davis (with one moving to FS) as the big hitters back there (kinda like the Williams/Woodson tandem that the cowboys had for a year until injuries to woodson)?

travfrancis
02-20-2005, 11:53 AM
been wondering the same thing Wolf

ArlingtonTexan
02-20-2005, 12:03 PM
The biggest problem with Davis is that his weakness is coverage which is why Brown was benched early in the year. Earl seems to better in that area than Brwon and most likely Davis. I like Davis as player, but I don't think he is just short of Roy Williams and Sean Taylor the last two safeties to go that high in the draft.

Wolf
02-20-2005, 12:08 PM
Glenn Earl/Notre Dame
(6-1, 205, estimated 4.63 40 time)

Positives: Has good safety size. Is an intelligent and instinctive player. Fundamentally sound player who doesn’t make many mistakes on the football field.

Negatives: Has average to below average speed for a safety. Will need top read and react skills at the next level. Has limited pass coverage skills. Missed the last half of his senior season with a knee injury.

Overall analysis: Glenn Earl looked like a solid safety prospect entering the 2003 season, but a knee injury suffered about halfway through his senior campaign may prevent Earl from being drafted. Earl started his college career as a wide receiver, and practiced at that position while redshirting in 1999. He served as a backup defensive back in 2000 and 2001, and earned an occasional starting assignment during those seasons. Earl moved into the starting free safety position in 2002 and turned in a good overall performance. He was having a fine year as a senior until he was sidelined with a knee injury that required surgery. Earl has very good size and can be somewhat of an intimidator in the middle. He is a smart player who understands what it takes to be a successful football player. He shows very good instincts and doesn’t make many mistakes. However, Earl has limited speed and is not the type of safety who can match up and play man-to-man coverage on a wide receiver. Earl will also need to show top read and react skills once he reaches the next level, because he lacks the necessary speed to recover if he takes false steps. But overall, Earl is a good football player whose size and intelligence gives him a chance to succeed as an NFL player. Entering the 2003 season it appeared that Earl had a chance to play his way into early day two status, but now appears to have about a 50/50 chance of being drafted.

http://www.thapack.com/jc_final_2004__safety.htm

this guy talks about Earls speed. Davis is at 4.55

beerlover
02-20-2005, 12:15 PM
the Texans seem pretty smug with the selection of Glenn Earl last year, even though he was not expected to contribute his first year (coming off surgery) he not only competed he started so I doubt Casserly feels the need to select Thomas Davis with that #13 pick.

DJ has as much chance of slipping as Rolle, the top of the draft has as much ebb & flow as the tide in Galevston. all you can really do is assemble your draft board and rank them as you see them fitting your needs and system maximizing the most talent possible. Thomas may well be on the Texans draft board but there are more desireable prospects ahead of him that the Texans consider more suitable.

BuffSoldier
02-20-2005, 12:32 PM
I like TD simply because he is a bigger and seems to be a more physical player, both he and Earl have problems in coverage, but I still thinkTD is the bigger hitter and has the potential to become a better safety.

Now if DJ and TD are both on the board, by all means draft DJ, and if Antrell or Pac-Man are on the board, then sure take a big time CB. But if I had to choose between TD and Marcus Spears, you better believe I would choose TD.

TexSon
02-20-2005, 12:56 PM
:twocents: Earl was also a free safety in college- a position that requires better coverage abilities and ball skills. The move to SS suits his game better.
Davis is weak in coverage playing SS at the college level, and this will only be exacerbated in the pro game. There are even thoughts about moving him to linebacker.
We have so many other needs that I feel strong safety is about the least of our worries right now. If we select him, however, I'll just trust the C&C.

wags
02-20-2005, 01:07 PM
:twocents: Earl was also a free safety in college- a position that requires better coverage abilities and ball skills.

Davis played FS before SS. I don't know about Earl, but Davis played very close to the line of scrimmage, which would have you believe the Georgia coaches had some confidence in his recovery/coverage skills.

ledzeppelin229
02-20-2005, 02:00 PM
Davis played FS before SS. I don't know about Earl, but Davis played very close to the line of scrimmage, which would have you believe the Georgia coaches had some confidence in his recovery/coverage skills.

If he was usually playing close to the line of scrimmage, wouldn't that indicate he was being used more as another linebacker in run support?

beerlover
02-20-2005, 02:18 PM
Derrick Johnson
6'-4" 230 lbs
4.5 / 40

Thomas Davis
6'-1" 230 lbs
4.5 / 40

Honoring Earl 34
02-20-2005, 02:27 PM
:thumbup Derrick Johnsons got the frame to add weight and not lose his speed . Thanks for pointing that out .

Wolf
02-20-2005, 02:34 PM
Earl (according to the texan website) is 215 and he is 6'1

I have seen were he runs a 4.55 forty and another listed a 4.63 forty which isn't much difference and not sure if he bulked to Davis' weight (not that he needs too) how much speed he'd lose

Would Davis be that much of an upgrade over Earl?

Sarg01
02-20-2005, 03:33 PM
I like Davis, but not to replace Earl ... to replace Foreman.

hot pickle
02-20-2005, 11:21 PM
i doubt texans will take Davis, because we don't need him.i predicted Lions to pick him up.

travfrancis
02-21-2005, 12:56 AM
yeah Sarg, if the Texas draft Davis i think it will be to use him at that Mac LB position (same position DJ would likely play) not at safety, although everyone here that wants him seems to want to play him at SS, doesn't make sense to me.

dalemurphy
02-21-2005, 07:05 AM
Let's not forget Ramon Walker also... I think things look fine at SS...

Defensive front 7
Interior line

keyfro
02-21-2005, 10:41 AM
the thing about davis is there has been a lot of talk about him making the transition to WLB...he has a very similar body frame as boss bailey up in detriot...or even michael boulware in seattle...he can really play both...but if he runs slow at the combine or in his personal workouts like around 4.6 expect him to move to that linebacker position in which we won't even think about him...casserly and capers are both high on earl so might as well not even think about him...he would be like the worse case senerio for the texans as of right now...personally if spears, barron, or dj are not available when we pick you can bet the house that we will be picking up the best corner available

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2005, 10:59 AM
:wacko: Why would we pick Davis anyway . I don't believe he's in the same class as Sean Taylor or Roy Williams . Glenn Earl worked his way into the lineup after coming back from knee surgery . A year healthier and playing time under his belt he will be much better . So unless hes the only name who you deem a can't miss why pick him .

ledzeppelin229
02-21-2005, 11:31 AM
I think Davis is getting overhyped because of the recent Roy Williams/Sean Taylors of the draft...It seems like although their cover skills were questionable coming out, Davis's are even moreso, and he doesn't have their elite speed for his weight. He might have some good knockout hits but if he gives up touchdowns to TEs left and right aka Eric Brown then we haven't upgraded anything and we've lost a first round pick. With our scheme we need as many guys that can cover as possible, we have 7 guys up front that *ideally* should be able to stop the run before it gets to the secondary, so it would make more sense to have strong coverage safeties. Especially so we can send more guys on the blitz. Glenn Earl was known as a big hitter back in college I think, so as he learns the system better and the game continues to slow down some we might see some good hits. He also needs to recover 100% from his knee injury.

I harped on about Sean Taylor last season, and I think I've learned my lesson. I would take Dunta over Taylor any day of the week now. I can't wait until this message board obsession with Davis ends.

Grid
02-21-2005, 12:15 PM
if he can play ILB for us.. and do well.. then ill be happy with getting Davis. but that is the only position we would need him at so unless we are 100% sure that he can do that, I hope we dont take him.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2005, 12:21 PM
Glen Earl was known as the hardest hitting safety . It seems that at 13 you don't look for a project when some really good players are still there .

Grid
02-21-2005, 12:27 PM
it all depends on how good the prospect is. I mean.. if he truely is this amazing athlete that hits like a train.. then picking him up to play ILB for us may not be a bad move. Of course it depends on who else is still on the board and if it is BPA.. or if someone really wants to trade up to grab him from us.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2005, 12:36 PM
I guess its like the Babin deal , if the Texans feel thats there man they'll take him . I do agree it would be as a ILB . Then if they keep up the success that they've had in the first round it want be a problem . :thumbup

ledzeppelin229
02-21-2005, 12:55 PM
it all depends on how good the prospect is. I mean.. if he truely is this amazing athlete that hits like a train.. then picking him up to play ILB for us may not be a bad move. Of course it depends on who else is still on the board and if it is BPA.. or if someone really wants to trade up to grab him from us.

At 230 lbs, Davis at best runs a 4.55, and can't cover that well. Tack on another 10-20 lbs, slow him down a little, make him cover a little worse, and what's the result? A harder hitting Jay Foreman. I don't want a poor cover safety or a 'Safety to Linebacker' project at #13. I would rather try to take Darryl Blackstock with our 2nd rounder.

Thomas Davis would not significantly improve our defense, if it improved at all. Give Earl another year and use that first rounder on someone that will be an impact player and a huge upgrade to our defense.

cptnbreakdance
02-21-2005, 04:53 PM
If we draft Davis we can move Earl to FS (his position @ ND) and move Coleman to nickle corner and Faggins to dime. That could be one of the hardest hitting defensive backfields in the league. And we would be 3/4 of the way to reshaping our secondary with young players.

Grid
02-21-2005, 06:23 PM
not gonna happen breakdance.. honestly.. that would totally screw us. for one.. Coleman is too good a CB to make nickle.. he would take Glenns spot.

for two.. FS requires speed and Earl does not have that.

for three.. that would also make our secondary one of the most inexperienced in the league

for four.. getting another Dunta Robinson kind of CB to groom behind glenn will have the same effect... and be a better pick in the long run. a good saftey is not as hard to find as a good CB.

cptnbreakdance
02-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Move glenn then, it doesn't matter. The point I'm trying to make is that Earl wasn't rated one of the top FREE safties in the nation before he was hurt because he was slow. Safties are usually slower than Corners anyway, and Coleman isn't exactly what you would call a physical safty for his size. Although you are right, he is a good corner so put him at his natural position... corner, not free safty, and since people are always saying Glenn is getting burned by receivers more and more, so a switch to Nickle wouldnt really be that bad of an idea. In all actuality, we wont be drafting a safty im almost 80% sure we draft Spears.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2005, 09:32 PM
:thumbup I thought CC had Earl rated 2nd behind Sean Taylor among safetys before his injury . Does anybody else remeber Matt Stevens and his 4.3 forty ,those were the days .

ledzeppelin229
02-21-2005, 11:19 PM
:thumbup I thought CC had Earl rated 2nd behind Sean Taylor among safetys before his injury . Does anybody else remeber Matt Stevens and his 4.3 forty ,those were the days .

No, No, I don't know a Matt Stevens, aaahhhh Dolphins score again

infantrycak
02-22-2005, 12:53 PM
not gonna happen breakdance.. honestly.. that would totally screw us. for one.. Coleman is too good a CB to make nickle.. he would take Glenns spot.

No offense, but wow that is out there. Coleman better than Glenn?--not this coming season or in any year of their careers and I would lay money down Coleman would agree. Coleman is a very athletic player with questionable judgment who doesn't play up to his size. He had a great 2003 season where his gambles paid off for the most part but that is what they are gambles rather than the instinct and savy Glenn has. That great season where some around here wanted him in the pro-bowl resulted in him moving from CB to FS. Now having a guy like Coleman, gambling large CB, at FS in the AFC South with the league encourarging the passing game--that makes sense.