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gtexan02
10-26-2009, 08:27 AM
Usually when theres a major positional change on a team or someone new coming in for the first time, it signifies a moral victory for the opposing team.

The Texans, however, seem to look completely unprepared and proceed to roll over and die.

I can't even remember how many times we've seen a backup come in and shred us, or a rookie who is expected to play poorly look like a 10 year vet.
This week it was Alex Smith. A guy with twice as many career INTs as TDs and a 50% completion percentage. A guy who had no chance to play today. A guy who probably took very, very limited reps in SF this past week.

And yet he throws 3 TDs on basically the same play and we can't seem to stop him.

Then theres Crabtree. The guy has had 2 weeks to practice at the NFL level. Never played in an NFL game. And if it wasn't for a few penalties, he could have been over 100 yards today.

We've seen it with Mark Sanchez. And lets not forget that infamous Rams game a few years ago with the Harvard QB.

Anyway, whats the deal here? Its like anyone who we don't have NFL tape for just completely dominates us

Maddict5
10-26-2009, 08:32 AM
it happens all the time to every team. the titans v sage, the patriots v aj feeley (eagles) just off the top of my head. to me it just shows how important film study is in todays nfl

gtexan02
10-26-2009, 08:33 AM
it happens all the time to every team. the titans v sage, the patriots v aj feeley (eagles) just off the top of my head. to me it just shows how important film study is in todays nfl

It seems that if this is so common, why don't teams switch QBs at halftime more often if the first guy has been ineffective?

I guess if you did it all the time, teams would start to prepare for both your guys

Kaiser Toro
10-26-2009, 08:39 AM
Mario Williams, who was the top overall pick the year after Smith, said dealing with the quarterback change was difficult.

"I didn't know who the guy was when he came out," Williams said. "I really didn't. It was one of those things where he definitely managed the game for them. He was getting rid of the ball on time and moving the ball."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291025034

gtexan02
10-26-2009, 08:41 AM
Yikes, thats a scary quote. I understand spending the majority of your time preparing for the guy you know is going to be the QB (Hill), but injuries + poor play + sickness etc all can lead to QB changes, so its somewhat shocking to me that Williams didn't even know who their backup QB was...

Maddict5
10-26-2009, 08:44 AM
lol this might seem contridictory to my last post but the reason teams dont do that is because most of the time the defence handles it because the backup qb isnt talented enough to hurt you. my first post was to show that backup comebacks arent a texans exclusive phenomenom (spelt that wrong?).

but remember SF not only changed qb's, they changed their entire offensive gameplan. when you've spent the week studying & preparing for a conservative, run heavy offence & they spread you out all of a sudden they can catch you a bit cold. usually the offence struggles somewhat too when they change offensive style. the reason it worked so well for SF is they had alot of guys used to playing in a spread offence (smith & crabtree especially) so it worked well for them. other examples of this would be the raiders playing zone defence last week helped catch the eagles out & the dolphins destroying the pats last year with the wildcat

gtexan02
10-26-2009, 08:58 AM
Quote from Smith:

"Starting the second half, down three scores, you're seeing some stagnant looks from the defense, they're not throwing as much at you," Smith said.

nero THE zero
10-26-2009, 09:18 AM
Yikes, thats a scary quote. I understand spending the majority of your time preparing for the guy you know is going to be the QB (Hill), but injuries + poor play + sickness etc all can lead to QB changes, so its somewhat shocking to me that Williams didn't even know who their backup QB was...

It wasn't just a change in personnel that the 49ers employed, they also changed their scheme. They spread the defense out and varied the formations. The Texans were presumably studying an offense that relied heavily on the run. So, not only were they facing a QB they hadn't studied, they were facing a QB they hadn't stuidied running a scheme they hadn't studied (presumably.)

Add that to the fact that our pass defense is considerably weaker than our run defense, and the ineffectiveness of our offense/running game to control the clock, and you can see why the 21 point comeback happened.

But, I think it's a lot more complex than "OMG we can't beat a back-up QB!!?!?!?!"

Goatcheese
10-26-2009, 09:24 AM
It seemed like they put it in cruise control, and took a nap until they needed to step up. It's a mentality Kubiak needs to get rid of. You're paid to play 100% for 60 minutes; go do it.

HoustonFrog
10-26-2009, 09:29 AM
I know it is an NFL mindset up by 21 to run, run the clock, get the win and not make mistakes. But I think you have to have that NE mindset at times...keep scoring so they can't breathe. Keep blitzing and pressuring because they are lifeless.

DexmanC
10-26-2009, 09:29 AM
It wasn't just a change in personnel that the 49ers employed, they also changed their scheme. They spread the defense out and varied the formations. The Texans were presumably studying an offense that relied heavily on the run. So, not only were they facing a QB they hadn't studied, they were facing a QB they hadn't stuidied running a scheme they hadn't studied (presumably.)

Add that to the fact that our pass defense is considerably weaker than our run defense, and the ineffectiveness of our offense/running game to control the clock, and you can see why the 21 point comeback happened.

But, I think it's a lot more complex than "OMG we can't beat a back-up QB!!?!?!?!"

That last line is why I don't go to the main Texans boards. It seems like
the demographic over there is MUCH less knowledgeable about the game.
They were wondering why we "barely" won. Your post, and the fact
that Slaton put the ball on the ground during a key drive, made the game
much closer than it should have been.

Someone actually argued that Slaton's fumble wasn't a big deal, and that
the Texans STILL should have blown the Niners out. They made believe
that "situational momentum" is not real, and doesn't apply to football games.

Too many kneejerkers both on these boards, and ESPECIALLY at the
workplace talk about football just like that last line, and it's FRUSTRATING.

HOU-TEX
10-26-2009, 09:45 AM
Well, let's see here, the Niners best receiver (Vernon Davis) scores on basically the same play 3 ****in times in a row against D-Ryans. Why are we covering Davis with a LB that can't cover that kind of speed? I can see the first TD, but 2 more? Unacceptable.

There were several times the 9ers had a CB on OD. Why the heck couldn't we do something similar to Davis?

Lack of adjustment? I would say so. :gun:

nero THE zero
10-26-2009, 09:55 AM
Well, let's see here, the Niners best receiver (Vernon Davis) scores on basically the same play 3 ****in times in a row against D-Ryans. Why are we covering Davis with a LB that can't cover that kind of speed? I can see the first TD, but 2 more? Unacceptable.

There were several times the 9ers had a CB on OD. Why the heck couldn't we do something similar to Davis?

Lack of adjustment? I would say so. :gun:

We had Golver Quin on Davis at times. I remember early in the game Quin had a really nice PD on Davis covering him off the line.

HOU-TEX
10-26-2009, 10:00 AM
We had Golver Quin on Davis at times. I remember early in the game Quin had a really nice PD on Davis covering him off the line.

Well, there was 3 times where he wasn't. Davis flew past D-Ryans as if he was standing still.

nero THE zero
10-26-2009, 10:02 AM
Well, there was 3 times where he wasn't. Davis flew past D-Ryans as if he was standing still.

Yep, no way to know what the issue was there (blown assignment, mismatch on personnel, poor scheming, etc.)

But, we were covering him with CB at times, which was my point.

HOU-TEX
10-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Yep, no way to know what the issue was there (blown assignment, mismatch on personnel, poor scheming, etc.)

But, we were covering him with CB at times, which was my point.

And the point of the thread is having the ability to make adjustments. Davis scoring on D-Ryans three times off basically the same play reeks of inability to adjust.

Anywho, I'm happy we got the W. I don't want to be too pessimistic here. :)

El Tejano
10-26-2009, 10:23 AM
Well I would also like to add that until our running game gets it's rear end in gear, we are going to see alot more games like this even if the other team doesn't make a QB change. The reason why teams who run the ball well win games is because when they have a lead they can then punish the other teams defense.

Too many times we had to dig ourselves out of holes by converting a 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 10 because we can't even get 2 yards on 1st and 2nd down. Incompletions are going to stop the clock and allow other teams offense to get back on the field.

On top of that when our RB is fumbling the ball away that is always going to make things hard to put a team away.

Kudos to Schaub for not forcing things and throwing a pick because that would've killed us.

Second Honeymoon
10-26-2009, 10:34 AM
We got through the game with a win. At the end of the day, that is all that matters to me.

Kubiak had them ready to play at the opening whistle, and that has been a deficiency for him. It was nice playing with the lead. No surprise they almost blew the lead because we aren't used to playing/coaching with the lead. Last lead I remember against a decent team was last year's Colts debacle at Reliant.

One thing was sad amidst the big win though, how many scrub QBs have had their career bests against the Texans. We make scrub QBs look like Johnny Unitas. We are creating turnovers this year so I won't try and complain about some of the details like in-game adustments, mental/physical preparation on gameday, and just playing with some passion and desire.

They have been doing better at that lately and truly competing not just to be a competitive game but to win the game. Moral victories were gone years ago. Now they are just losses. We have some winnable games on the horizon and we just gotta play football and not think about playoffs. If we can go 6-3 the rest of the year, we might get a sniff. I don't think the division is even in question, so would 10-6 get you in? the head-to-head versus Cincinnatti helps. Miami losing yesterday was nice. They still have to play New England, they could be a sinking ship.

badboy
10-26-2009, 10:47 AM
Things to ponder despite a win.
1.Our coaching philosphy is to stick with something until it works even if you lose. It took until the 4th game to change up the defense against the run and then look what happened. The run game against us is no longer a big issue. Stopped the bleeding.
2. Ok, so no one told the defense when Smith replaced the starter. Hopefully, after a play or two someone on sidelines, the upstairs booth or on the field would say, "Uh, there is another number on the QBs jersey. Did anyone see him change?"
3. On 610 this morning, Vandermeer said Polland admitted the Dbacks eased up after going 3 TDs up. That needs to be addressed. I can understand the offense trying to eat clock but the defense needs to stay focused. No way we are near good enough to cruise.
4. Slaton runs with the ball in one arm. He does not cover it with two. He ain't changing. Love him or not, he is what he is. At least JJ has come around. Too bad his TD was called back.
5. We have a young team of players and a young team of coaches. Someone needs to be tightening up both groups. Gibbs? I don't think it will be Kubes.

Prior to the game, I posted that we need to significantly beat 49ers. We did the first half. I saw what I needed to and now know we have the skills and the players to play most anybody pretty solid. Yes, the comeback was disappointing but to me that was more mental than lack of ability. Add that to the D C having no clue on how to adjust for too long and I now know we are headed the right direction. We should go 7-2 and have 11-5 record. 10-6 is very possible.

TimeKiller
10-26-2009, 10:57 AM
Yup

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 11:01 AM
1.Our coaching philosphy is to stick with something until it works even if you lose. It took until the 4th game to change up the defense against the run and then look what happened. The run game against us is no longer a big issue. Stopped the bleeding.

How much has the scheme actually changed? This is where those but for the big runs off missed assignments come in. But for those plays, the D stopped the run pretty well the first 3 games, but they did miss those assignments and earned a 32nd ranking. Now they aren't missing those assignments. If someone can point out some scheme changes, by all means elucidate.

Maddict5
10-26-2009, 11:03 AM
And the point of the thread is having the ability to make adjustments. Davis scoring on D-Ryans three times off basically the same play reeks of inability to adjust.


i haven't watched the game again so i cant be certain of the other two but i know for a fact one of the tds was on cushing and not demeco. davis faked an out route, cush bought it and davis ran a post instead. nice fake and smith threw it where it had to be. it was either the second or third td. third if i had to guess.

BigBull17
10-26-2009, 11:06 AM
I know it is an NFL mindset up by 21 to run, run the clock, get the win and not make mistakes. But I think you have to have that NE mindset at times...keep scoring so they can't breathe. Keep blitzing and pressuring because they are lifeless.

It's hard to blitz a quicker QB. They can break the pocket and rack up ALOT of yards. We had to dust off some spy, which Okoye is very bad at, BTW. I have more of a problem that they never put anyone but Demeco on Davis, and Ryans cant cover him.

badboy
10-26-2009, 11:08 AM
How much has the scheme actually changed? This is where those but for the big runs off missed assignments come in. But for those plays, the D stopped the run pretty well the first 3 games, but they did miss those assignments and earned a 32nd ranking. Now they aren't missing those assignments. If someone can point out some scheme changes, by all means elucidate.I agree that scheme has not changed but players on line have. Not only are the big plays against us gone ( I hope) but their seems to be more of an agressiveness, I guess on the DTs part. I hink that is from Cushing's play rubbing off.

Yankee_In_TX
10-26-2009, 11:10 AM
I REALLY hope Mario was kidding when he said he didn't know who Alex Smith was. That's horrid if they failed to prepare for him.

HOU-TEX
10-26-2009, 11:11 AM
i haven't watched the game again so i cant be certain of the other two but i know for a fact one of the tds was on cushing and not demeco. davis faked an out route, cush bought it and davis ran a post instead. nice fake and smith threw it where it had to be. it was either the second or third td. third if i had to guess.

Here's a link to where you can watch highlights of each TD.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009102502/2009/REG7/49ers@texans#tab:analyze

Maddict5
10-26-2009, 11:20 AM
Here's a link to where you can watch highlights of each TD.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009102502/2009/REG7/49ers@texans#tab:analyze

thanks it was the second td that he faked cush. the first td looked like we were in zone (cover 3 is my best guess based on my limited knowledge) and smith just made a good throw in a window between that

the last one is the only td where davis specifically beat demeco. pollard couldve done better helping on that one too. his main focus shouldve been helping demeco based on that being the biggest matchup problem we had & not their wrs

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 11:20 AM
I REALLY hope Mario was kidding when he said he didn't know who Alex Smith was. That's horrid if they failed to prepare for him.

Really? You think most NFL teams prepare for the backup coming in?

badboy
10-26-2009, 11:24 AM
Really? You think most NFL teams prepare for the backup coming in?Well in today's game with QBs going out, if at least the DC does not have a back up, they deserve what they get. If I was McNair I'd need some 'splaining.

HOU-TEX
10-26-2009, 11:30 AM
thanks it was the second td that he faked cush. the first td looked like we were in zone (cover 3 is my best guess based on my limited knowledge) and smith just made a good throw in a window between that

the last one is the only td where davis specifically beat demeco. pollard couldve done better helping on that one too. his main focus shouldve been helping demeco based on that being the biggest matchup problem we had & not their wrs

But if you look at the beginning of each play it was D-Ryans that was initially covering him. Davis flew by him so quick it really didn't allow much time for the help to get there.

Either way, they beat us with the same play 3 times, each for TD's with zero adjustments from us.

TexCanada
10-26-2009, 11:49 AM
I think that our coaches and coordinators are just as inexperienced as our players, and this is all part of the learning process. We don't often see teams change their gameplan because we rarely dominate a half and make them desperate. I'm sure we will learn from this, and be more prepared after we get a 21 point lead against the Bills. The niners game could be a really important game for us, because we have the opportunity to learn from our mistakes, without having to suffer a loss because of it.

Double Barrel
10-26-2009, 12:00 PM
The Texans do not have a so-called 'killer mentality' where they put their teeth to the throat of opponents when they have them down. The strategy is always "play not to lose" once they have a lead going into the half. Fortunately, it did not come back and bite us in the butt this time, but against a better team than San Fran, it could have been taking defeat from the jaws of victory.

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 12:03 PM
The Texans do not have a so-called 'killer mentality' where they put their teeth to the throat of opponents when they have them down. The strategy is always "play not to lose" once they have a lead going into the half. Fortunately, it did not come back and bite us in the butt this time, but against a better team than San Fran, it could have been taking defeat from the jaws of victory.

I don't mind going to a conservative O, but the soft coverage on D kills me.

HoustonFrog
10-26-2009, 12:03 PM
It's hard to blitz a quicker QB. They can break the pocket and rack up ALOT of yards. We had to dust off some spy, which Okoye is very bad at, BTW. I have more of a problem that they never put anyone but Demeco on Davis, and Ryans cant cover him.

I didn't mean just blitz..just stating that you should continue the aggressive play and continue to keep them down. Agree on Ryans.

Yankee_In_TX
10-26-2009, 12:05 PM
Really? You think most NFL teams prepare for the backup coming in?

With a team that is not sure who its starting QB is, you better prepare to some extent.

gtexan02
10-26-2009, 12:07 PM
With a team that is not sure who its starting QB is, you better prepare to some extent.

Exactly. Do I prepare for Jim Sorgi when I face the Colts? Absolutely not.
Do I prepare for both Collins and Young next time we face the Titans? Absolutely

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 12:08 PM
With a team that is not sure who its starting QB is, you better prepare to some extent.

True, but the fact remains 99% of the time if a backup comes in it is to play the same offense or a cut down version of the offense. This was incredibly unusual to have a backup come in and they open the offense up. Frankly it reflects very poorly on Singletary's decision to start Hill. If you think that little of him, he shouldn't have been starting to begin with.

Double Barrel
10-26-2009, 12:42 PM
I don't mind going to a conservative O, but the soft coverage on D kills me.

It bothers me because they never seem to be able to re-gain their focus after going conservative. If the 49ers had been able to tie, it seems like our offense would have struggled. Fortunately for us, Brown has a cannon leg and put up 3 to give us that lead.

76Texan
10-26-2009, 03:10 PM
It wasn't just a change in personnel that the 49ers employed, they also changed their scheme. They spread the defense out and varied the formations. The Texans were presumably studying an offense that relied heavily on the run. So, not only were they facing a QB they hadn't studied, they were facing a QB they hadn't stuidied running a scheme they hadn't studied (presumably.)

Add that to the fact that our pass defense is considerably weaker than our run defense, and the ineffectiveness of our offense/running game to control the clock, and you can see why the 21 point comeback happened.

But, I think it's a lot more complex than "OMG we can't beat a back-up QB!!?!?!?!"
What is so hard about going with a nickel or a dime defense?
When will Frank Bush realize that his LBs are not the best in coverage, especially zone coverage. (Except for Adibi and Cato June).

76Texan
10-26-2009, 03:25 PM
But if you look at the beginning of each play it was D-Ryans that was initially covering him. Davis flew by him so quick it really didn't allow much time for the help to get there.

Either way, they beat us with the same play 3 times, each for TD's with zero adjustments from us.

They are all slightly different in formations. Somebody will break them down later, I imagine.

On the first one, it would be Ryans, Cush, and Pollard.

On the second one, it would be Cushing and Pollard.

The third one, it would be Demeco and Pollard.

The common theme here is the scheme.
Fire Frank Bush, LOL!
He kept playing 5 soft zones with our LBs in the middle.

Two were 5-2 zones and one was 5-1 zone (Diles blitzed).

thegr8fan
10-27-2009, 10:25 AM
Kubiak addressed the Davis TD's in his Monday Presser. Basically he said the LB, Demeco was actually mentioned in the Presser, should have bumped Davis farther out on the route and then Pollard, was supposed to pick them up. Neither player did his job, so Davis scored 3 TD's on basically the same route. I don't put that on the Coach's, but perhaps the DC's 'new' scheme.

As for our Coach's adjusting, it seems to usually end up in a bad adjustment in the wrong direction. Or they do it ONLY in crisis management times, like Arizona. Too little, too late. Only time we seem to be able to actually make an adjustment is in the locker room at Halftime. How many games now has it been a 'tale of two halves'. We need coach's who can make 'on field' adjustments, not one's who are so slow witted they need an entire half to 'figure it out', IMO.

Good Head Coach's are supposed to be 'Field Generals'. Not locker room scholars, IMO.