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Mr. White
10-25-2009, 06:06 PM
The D was playing lights-out in the first half, then.......

What happened?

New QB that we weren't expecting? Soft zone coverage? Bad execution?

I'd especially like to hear from the "X's and O's guys" and the "DVR guys" as to what they saw.

I'm glad we got the win, but the D was looking bipolar again.

Ryan
10-25-2009, 06:13 PM
They were kept on the field alot by an offense that decided to get conservative and start fumbling. Not saying they didn't have problems, but if our offense moved the ball like they did in the 1st half, than this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

Heath Shuler
10-25-2009, 06:14 PM
A mobile QB with nothing to lose.

Marcus
10-25-2009, 06:45 PM
They replaced Hill with a QB that could throw more than 10 yards down field. Not really a brain stretcher there.

Wolf
10-25-2009, 06:49 PM
They were kept on the field alot by an offense that decided to get conservative and start fumbling. Not saying they didn't have problems, but if our offense moved the ball like they did in the 1st half, than this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

not sure about the conservative part?





Houston - 10:56
1st-10, HOU18 10:56 M. Schaub passed to K. Walter to the right for 6 yard gain
2nd-4, HOU24 10:18 S. Slaton rushed to the left for 12 yard gain
1st-10, HOU36 9:36 M. Schaub passed to S. Slaton down the middle for 1 yard loss
2nd-11, HOU35 8:50 M. Schaub incomplete pass to the left
3rd-11, HOU35 8:43 M. Schaub passed to D. Anderson to the right for 8 yard gain
4th-3, HOU43 7:54 M. Turk punt, no return

Houston - 5:28
1st-10, SF47 5:28 M. Schaub rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, SF45 4:52 S. Slaton rushed to the right for 7 yard gain
3rd-1, SF38 4:15 M. Schaub rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain
1st-10, SF36 3:24 S. Slaton rushed to the left for 2 yard gain. S. Slaton fumbled. D. Goldson recovered fumble


Houston - 12:35
1st-10, HOU15 12:35 M. Schaub passed to A. Johnson down the middle for 44 yard gain
1st-10, SF41 11:50 M. Schaub passed to C. Brown to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, SF37 11:12 M. Schaub incomplete pass to the right
3rd-6, SF37 11:05 M. Schaub passed to O. Daniels to the right for 8 yard gain
1st-10, SF29 10:25 C. Brown rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, SF26 9:46 M. Schaub passed to O. Daniels down the middle for 15 yard gain
1st-10, SF11 9:04 C. Brown rushed to the left for no gain
2nd-10, SF11 8:21 M. Schaub sacked by A. Brooks
3rd-19, SF20 7:45 S. Slaton rushed to the left for 3 yard gain. HOU committed 15 yard penalty
3rd-31, SF32 7:16 K. Brown kicked a 50-yard field goal




http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20091025034&page=plays

when you have a QB come in after halftime and go 15 of 22 for 206 yards (13 of 15 before their last drive) (had a 11 yard run on one of those drives.
it is hard to keep a defense off the field, esp with no big defensive plays

Wolf
10-25-2009, 06:49 PM
They switched from a power running, play action team, to a spread it out 3 wide shotgun passing team. I think that really surprised us, and we simply were not ready for it.

yeah they really changed up their look with Smith at QB

pbat488
10-25-2009, 06:52 PM
If you practice all week for a certain style of offense and scheme for that style, then the team does a 180 and completely switches their offensive scheme, it tends to be difficult for the defense to adjust to. With that said, SF played well in the second half and really exploited our D, but they held just long enough to seal the win.

Wolf
10-25-2009, 07:00 PM
If you practice all week for a certain style of offense and scheme for that style, then the team does a 180 and completely switches their offensive scheme, it tends to be difficult for the defense to adjust to. With that said, SF played well in the second half and really exploited our D, but they held just long enough to seal the win.

yeah, they tore up the middle of the field on us in the 2nd half

pbat488
10-25-2009, 07:04 PM
Also, not sure if anyone watched the pre-game shows on Fox or maybe it was ESPN, but there was a segment talking about how Houston and SF were #2 and #3 in the NFL against guarding TEs or something along that line, and it turned out that the TEs were the most utilized players in the game.

DexmanC
10-25-2009, 07:10 PM
They switched from a power running, play action team, to a spread it out 3 wide shotgun passing team. I think that really surprised us, and we simply were not ready for it.

This is the correct answer. A lot of snake-bitten Texans fans are out
of control over a FREAKING WIN. The 49ers cheated and brought TWO
teams to the party. The Texans prepared all weak for the Shaun Hill
49ers, and shut them DOWN. They got less than 60 YARDS IN THE FIRST
HALF!!

Then, Mike Singletary puts in Alex Smith, who unlike Shaun Hill, throws tight
spirals and has the ability to kill you DEEP!!! The Texans were just not
ready for the switch of Alex Smith. He hasn't played in over 2 years, and
the 9'ers pulled a fast one on us with that spread offense with a strong-armed
mobile quarterback.

steds
10-25-2009, 07:12 PM
How did Mario look?

kiwitexansfan
10-25-2009, 08:02 PM
I think we also had no one who has a hope of matching up to that freak Vernon Davis.

They realised that and started finding him anytime they needed 6.

Fox
10-25-2009, 08:25 PM
I was disappointed that we allowed Vernon Davis to score 3 times on very similar post patterns. A week after our secondary showed up against a very talented Bengals passing offense, they got shredded by a washed up 1st overall pick and what had thus far been a pedestrian 49ers passing game.

Mr teX
10-25-2009, 08:36 PM
Credit the SF offense. Davis is a freak & they exploited our LB's in coverage.

pbat488
10-25-2009, 09:28 PM
A week after our secondary showed up against a very talented Bengals passing offense, they got shredded by a washed up 1st overall pick and what had thus far been a pedestrian 49ers passing game.

The part in bold couldn't be more wrong. This monster is only 25 and is arguably the most freakish athlete in the entire NFL. He hasn't had a decent QB throwing to him throughout his career as well as having a hard time adjusting to the NFL game with attitude/work ethic problems. Mike Singletary has had a tremendously positive influence recently on him and I believe he's going to be one of the top TEs in the league this time next year, if not by the end of the season the way he's going right now.

Of course, there's still no excuse for him to run the same route three times and produce three touchdowns.

Fox
10-25-2009, 09:31 PM
The part in bold couldn't be more wrong. This monster is only 25 and is arguably the most freakish athlete in the entire NFL. He hasn't had a decent QB throwing to him throughout his career as well as having a hard time adjusting to the NFL game with attitude/work ethic problems. Mike Singletary has had a tremendously positive influence recently on him and I believe he's going to be one of the top TEs in the league this time next year, if not by the end of the season the way he's going right now.

Of course, there's still no excuse for him to run the same route three times and produce three touchdowns.

By first overall, I meant first overall in the draft, ie. Alex Smith. I thought the 'first overall' combined with the 'washed up' would be enough clues. Yea, Vernon Davis is a beast.

pbat488
10-25-2009, 09:33 PM
By first overall, I meant first overall in the draft, ie. Alex Smith. I thought the 'first overall' combined with the 'washed up' would be enough clues. Yea, Vernon Davis is a beast.

I was just reading the NFC West blogger's recap on ESPN and I realized this. Sorry about that. :embarrass

Mr. White
10-25-2009, 09:53 PM
Dunno, I could have swore that I saw a change in the defensive scheme. The change in the offense we were playing might account for it.

Looked like we were playing man in the 1st half and zone in the 2nd half.

Having said that, I wasn't watching the DB's too closely and I don't DVR the games, so I don't know for sure.

GuerillaBlack
10-25-2009, 10:03 PM
Easiest way to describe what happened. Say you're playing Madden with someone online. You're killing them. Then, at halftime, they give the controller to someone else and you can't stop them. I think that's what was happening to the defense out there.

edo783
10-25-2009, 10:11 PM
The total change in offense type and a QB that can move and throw, really threw the Defense off it's feed. Practice all week for one thing, and do a heck of a job stuffing it and then have a complete 180 in style in the second half (probably even made half time adjustments based on what they saw in the 1st half) really threw them.

Hookem Horns
10-25-2009, 10:14 PM
Mario Williams, who was the top overall pick the year after Smith, said dealing with the quarterback change was difficult.

"I didn't know who the guy was when he came out," Williams said. "I really didn't. It was one of those things where he definitely managed the game for them. He was getting rid of the ball on time and moving the ball."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291025034

jppaul
10-25-2009, 11:32 PM
It was a big difference between the two QBs, Alex Smith can slide and avoid pressure whereas Hill can't. Smith, while not having anything better than an average arm at least has that over the limp noodle that Hill was slinging with.

So there is the QB change from an immobile limp noodled QB to a QB who can slide in the pocket, which changes a defense lines target point.

Then they switched up the O to more of a spread, which apparently just gave us fits. Especially when we chose to play a zone coverage with soft safety help over the top, wasn't paying too much attention but it looked like a nickle version of cover two to me.

Further we were unable to learn from our mistakes after the skinny post the first time, and the same one the second, likewise with the 3rd.

It reminded me of when Sanchez torched Penn State Cover Three in last year's Rose Bowl, on the same skinny post three of four times.

Ryan
10-25-2009, 11:36 PM
not sure about the conservative part?



http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20091025034&page=plays

when you have a QB come in after halftime and go 15 of 22 for 206 yards (13 of 15 before their last drive) (had a 11 yard run on one of those drives.
it is hard to keep a defense off the field, esp with no big defensive plays

regardless of what it was, the offense laid a fat egg in the 2nd half. I think it all started at the end of the 1st half when we had a chance to really do some damage to the Niners and started doing idk what.

TexCanada
10-25-2009, 11:44 PM
I think we really let the niners back into the game on a mental level too. We had a turnover, they had a new leader in Smith who put up a few points, and all of the sudden they had some hope. We have seen first hand what happens to a team who is losing when they get a glimpse of hope. If we could have went out strong in the 2nd half and scored first, I think this would have been a blowout. But we came out a touch soft and we almost payed the price. Nice to see that we rounded up the troops and got it done in crunch time though.

CTWade
10-25-2009, 11:48 PM
regardless of what it was, the offense laid a fat egg in the 2nd half. I think it all started at the end of the 1st half when we had a chance to really do some damage to the Niners and started doing idk what.

Our offense was able to move and score on the 49ers defense in the first half by wearing them down through attrition. Once the 49er offense could stay on the field any length of time in the second half boom! Seemingly dramatic improved by the 49er D out of nowhere.

Anyway, my feelings on what happen echo the others here. The Texans destroyed the 49er team that has been playing the last 6 weeks, but putting in a QB with no footage and a 180 on offensive philosophy caught us flat footed.

I guess the lesson here is that desperate teams are dangerous. Especially a team as talented and motivated as the 49ers. They had a lot to play for this game.

Bryon
10-25-2009, 11:50 PM
How did Mario look?

Like Joe Staley's girlfriend.

Bryon
10-25-2009, 11:51 PM
I had been begging for SF to make a QB change and run a spread type offense. If they would have done that to start the game they would have won. Sadly, they waited until it was too late to do so.

Jackie Chiles
10-25-2009, 11:59 PM
I had been begging for SF to make a QB change and run a spread type offense. If they would have done that to start the game they would have won. Sadly, they waited until it was too late to do so.

Please stop with that. They might have won, the Texans might have actually made an adjustment, Smith could have come out of the gate cold as opposed to slinging it left and right with nothing to lose due to being down 21. A lot of things factor in. We have seen Sage Rosenfels come in and throw 4 TDs in a half and he has also had some pretty suspect performances throughout his time with us. Bottom line is we won this game and you guys can see what you have with Smith the rest of the season, best of luck.

dinkatoid
10-26-2009, 12:05 AM
I think the positive to take out of this whole game was the run D. Getting up by 3 TDs helped a bit, but even at the start we did not let Gore break loose. Better yet, we did it with only 7 men in the box, not bringing Pollard down for support. However, seeing what a 3 man spread did to us made me cringe a little. I know we were not prepared for it, but they are not the most dynamic offense in the NFL. I love the adjustments we are making at the half, but it seems to me that at times we are too stubborn to change in the middle of a half and will let it beat us over and over, as with that one route Vernon Davis torched us with 3 times.