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gtexan02
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
On a play away from him, AJ apparently suffered a chest injury. He was reported as having the wind knocked out of him, and came back a few plays later. Then he was pulled a second time and taken to the locker room. He came back from the locker room, sat on the sidelines, and his return was listed as questionable. Then the trainers took his helmet and he was led into the locker room a second time.

Confusing series of events, and not sure if Im 100% correct in following it. Any updates?

Sounds like he bruised some ribs

TheIronDuke
10-25-2009, 04:38 PM
I posted this in the game thread:

610 just said AJ has a bruised chest muscle but is being taken to the hospital for further testing.

MojoMan
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Brief story at ESPN:


Johnson leaves game with hurt chest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4593750)

HOUSTON -- Houston Texans receiver Andre Johnson injured his chest against the San Francisco 49ers and the team says his return is questionable.

Johnson was shaken up on a play in the fourth quarter Sunday and remained on the field on his hands and knees for a few minutes before walking to the sideline. He returned for one play a few minutes later, but was held out of the Texans' next series.

He was seen talking to Houston's medical staff for several minutes before he was escorted off the field.

MEGA SWATT
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Hopefully our AJ will be A-OK!!!!!!!!:ant::ant:

m5kwatts
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
I'm hoping its not a rib injury, broken ribs are a 6-8 week process at best...... this is not good

Hopefully its just a contusion/bruise/external problem and not a rib injury

gtexan02
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
Hospital? That sounds bad...

TheIronDuke
10-25-2009, 04:42 PM
Eh, just for tests, I think (hope) he'll be fine.

texasguy346
10-25-2009, 04:44 PM
He may have a bruised sternum. I recall Steve McNair had that type of injury back while playing for the Titans. It seemed to be a nagging sort of injury. I certainly hope it is nothing serious as our offense relies heavily on AJ to open up our other options.

Mailman
10-25-2009, 05:03 PM
I think it's a rib injury because the first time he was visibly hurt he was pointing to his back on the sideline.

GuerillaBlack
10-25-2009, 05:12 PM
Hopefully it's just a bruise.

steds
10-25-2009, 07:05 PM
Just saw the "Johnson hospitalized" headline on the nfl site. I almost had a heart attack. Needed a whisky out to calm my nerves. I hope it's not bad and that he's good to go in Buffalo.

Norg
10-25-2009, 07:31 PM
Broadcasting on the game also said

AJ tried to sneak out into the field grabbed a helmet and wanted back in they had to drag him back into the locker room that brings a tear in my eye !!!!!! LOL

Carr Bombed
10-25-2009, 07:51 PM
So I wonder when we'll get a update??

Bubbajwp
10-25-2009, 07:58 PM
Good thing our bye week is coming up soon.

Wolf
10-25-2009, 08:00 PM
Johnson update: Wide receiver Andre Johnson has a chest contusion and was taken to the hospital for further examination. He left the game two plays after making a twisting, leaping 44-yard catch between two defenders in the fourth quarter.

Determined to play, Johnson returned to the game a few plays later before being taken out for good. He finished with two catches for 62 yards. A Texans spokesperson said that Johnson was out of the hospital after the game. The team will provide an update on his status tomorrow.





http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5733

DerekLee1
10-25-2009, 08:06 PM
NFL network said he would be hospitalized overnight.

Leahmic223
10-25-2009, 08:17 PM
I'm hoping its not a rib injury, broken ribs are a 6-8 week process at best...... this is not good

Hopefully its just a contusion/bruise/external problem and not a rib injury

(on WR Andre Johnson's injury) "Well, we're concerned. He's got what they're telling me is a chest contusion right now. We have him down at the hospital; we'll get him looked at. But, obviously he could not go there in the end. So there's concern until we see."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5732

I say...just make sure he's ready to go against the Colts.

imatexan
10-25-2009, 08:40 PM
AJ never ceases to amaze me, he wanted to go back in.

We need you back AJ, lets hope this is not serious.

gtexan02
10-25-2009, 08:42 PM
I wonder if he had a partially collapsed lung. That would be cause for hospital

qman_tx
10-25-2009, 08:44 PM
I've experienced muscle strains/pains in the chest area and they are nothing to play with.

BSofA04
10-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Mother F-er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can say from experience, that anyone who has ever suffered from cracked ribs is done for the next month...at least. Baby Jesus, please let this be bruised ribs. Otherwise, every time he breaths, talk, gets us, speaks, gets on the pot....etc....it hurts like you have no idea.

This is worst case scenerio but it's not going to be good.

whiskeyrbl
10-25-2009, 08:48 PM
Hopefully nothing long term.

GP
10-25-2009, 08:51 PM
So now the hospital staff is going to run bloodwork on AJ, and they're going to find out that he's not human. That he's an alien with two hearts, four lungs, and robotic hands.

Great. Now we're screwed.

False Start
10-25-2009, 08:52 PM
So now the hospital staff is going to run bloodwork on AJ, and they're going to find out that he's not human. That he's an alien with two hearts, four lungs, and robotic hands.

Great. Now we're screwed.

You think there will be a fine? .... we could lose draft picks!!!!!!!!! :gun:

GP
10-25-2009, 08:58 PM
You think there will be a fine? .... we could lose draft picks!!!!!!!!! :gun:

He won't be allowed to play in the NFL.

He'll have to join up with others who are like him, and they will form a team known as "The X-Men."

I think this has huge potential: Books, movie deals, figurines, and video games with the concept of having freakishly talented people who don't fit in. I'm going to be RICH!

TexansFanatic
10-25-2009, 09:06 PM
Coughed up blood!!! Gnarly!!!

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Texans receiver Andre Johnson left Sunday’s 24-21 victory over San Francisco with a chest injury but should be ready to play in the next game at Buffalo.

Johnson, who was injured in the fourth quarter, was taken to the hospital for X-rays before returning to Reliant Stadium to shower and dress after the Texans’ second consecutive victory.

“They’re telling me it’s a chest contusion,” coach Gary Kubiak said.

Kubiak will have an update on Johnson at his regular Monday afternoon news conference.

Johnson was injured when he caught a 44-yard pass on what proved to be the winning field goal drive. He fell on the ball, coughed up some blood and went to the sideline.

Johnson returned briefly, but when he tried to return a second time, some members of the team’s medical staff hid his helmet to keep him on the sideline rather than risk further injury.

Johnson’s catch down the middle gave the Texans the ball at San Francisco’s 41-yard line. Kris Brown finished the drive with a 50-yard field goal.

LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6685714.html)

Mailman
10-25-2009, 09:13 PM
Falling on the ball should not cause blood in your lungs.

TheRealJoker
10-25-2009, 09:17 PM
Falling on the ball should not cause blood in your lungs.

Didn't Chris Simms lose a spleen because of falling on the ball? Internal bleeding for AJ? I dont think he'll be ready for Buffalo.

GP
10-25-2009, 09:18 PM
Falling on the ball should not cause blood in your lungs.

But he was up in the air to catch that pass, secured it with both hands, and then was tackled while basically falling like dead weight all the way to the ground. He had a death grip, with both hands, on that ball on the way down.

I think it could do internal damage.

He could have punctured or torn open a lung, thus introducing blood into the cavity of the lung. Thus coughing it up.

I'm thinking I am hoping he IS staying at the hospital tonight if he coughed up blood.

GP
10-25-2009, 09:20 PM
Didn't Chris Simms lose a spleen because of falling on the ball? Internal bleeding for AJ? I dont think he'll be ready for Buffalo.

That thought ran through my mind when Vernon Davis was down for awhile on his TD catch. The glancing blow by our d-back wasn't what did it. His teammate knee'd him in the tummy.

But AJ? He went way up to get the ball, and he came down with both hands on the ball IIRC. It looked like he took a bigger lick than the cameras first showed us when the play happened.

BSofA04
10-25-2009, 09:20 PM
Falling on the ball should not cause blood in your lungs.

Yes this is very true. Thank you Texansfanatic for that read. This sucks so much because it could be nothing and/or very serious. We want to know what's up! Please be bruised ribs.

brakos82
10-25-2009, 09:34 PM
Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson should be ready to play against Buffalo next week despite coughing up blood after a chest injury he suffered against the 49ers. Johnson left Sunday's 24-21 victory over San Francisco with a chest injury but should be ready to play in the next game at Buffalo. Johnson, who was injured in the fourth quarter, was taken to the hospital for X-rays before returning to Reliant Stadium to shower and dress after the Texans' second consecutive victory.

Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6685714.html)

ChrisG
10-25-2009, 10:03 PM
good so he didn't stay in the hospital...

hopefully they give him some well deserved rest so he will be ready for the bills

Mailman
10-25-2009, 10:26 PM
But AJ? He went way up to get the ball, and he came down with both hands on the ball IIRC. It looked like he took a bigger lick than the cameras first showed us when the play happened.

I am certain that the injury did not occur on that play but on the 3rd and 12 completion early in the second quarter when AJ left the game briefly. He caught a deep pass over the middle for 18 yds and got smacked from behind by UT-ex Tarrell Brown. AJ rolled over in pain, grimaced, and immediately waved at the sideline for someone to come in to replace him. Moments later cameras caught him squatting on the sideline with a trainer next to him and he appeared to be trying to catch his breath and spit. He then stood up and motioned at his middle/lower back area.

Marcus
10-25-2009, 10:43 PM
He was coughing up blood, and yet he's going to be ready for the Buffalo game?

I suspect that status will change.

Goatcheese
10-25-2009, 10:44 PM
He was coughing up blood, and yet he's going to be ready for the Buffalo game?

I suspect that status will change.

It turns out it wasn't his blood. He accidentally swallowed some of those DB's blood after chewing up that double team. :good:

SAMURAITEXAN
10-25-2009, 10:54 PM
Coughing up blood? Internal damage right? How can AJ will be ready to go for Buffalo's game?

ReliantTexan
10-25-2009, 11:10 PM
I don't think the coughing up blood part is as bad as it sounds. Drew Gooden had one in the nba playoffs last year, also coughed up blood and he played the next game.

CTWade
10-25-2009, 11:23 PM
Coughed up blood!!! Gnarly!!!

A player shedding blood for their team, for the game, is no trivial thing. Not to me, at least. AJ does a lot for us.

Norg
10-26-2009, 12:29 AM
i say we really dont need him for the buffalo game let the Rooksters shine IMO

imatexan
10-26-2009, 12:30 AM
i say we really dont need him for the buffalo game let the Rooksters shine IMO

This team needs Andre just as much as you need air!

Norg
10-26-2009, 12:34 AM
This team needs Andre just as much as you need air!


umm no i think we need him but i dont think we need him for Fullfallo

we got other playmakers ya know why not give AJ some rest for the Indy game

imatexan
10-26-2009, 12:35 AM
umm no i think we need him but i dont think we need him for Fullfallo

we got other playmakers ya know why not give AJ some rest for the Indy game

If he is able to go then no rest.

He will have a week to rest after the Indy game.

JCTexan
10-26-2009, 02:02 AM
umm no i think we need him but i dont think we need him for Fullfallo

we got other playmakers ya know why not give AJ some rest for the Indy game

Buffalo isn't going to be an easy win, and Houston is going to need every win they can get. If AJ is ready to play, you have to play him. Now if he's not ready to go you have to hope either Jones or Davis steps it up. Replacing possibly the best WR in the league isn't going to be as easy as you think it will.

Section516
10-26-2009, 02:24 AM
Buffalo isn't going to be an easy win, and Houston is going to need every win they can get. If AJ is ready to play, you have to play him. Now if he's not ready to go you have to hope either Jones or Davis steps it up. Replacing possibly the best WR in the league isn't going to be as easy as you think it will.

I'm pretty sure AJ will play.

Hes going to bring extra helmets from now on :specnatz:

TimeKiller
10-26-2009, 08:59 AM
I tell you what, from the seats we were in it looked like he got clobbered on that 44 yarder. No one could believe he came down with, not the SF fans, not any of the season ticket holders around, not me.

230 lbs. moving that fast jumping as high as Andre can jump falling unprotected with 2 guys going in for a killshot then landing on the ball. That right there is a owwwwie. AJ is a man though, he'll be in Buffalo.

gtexan02
10-26-2009, 09:23 AM
rub some dirt on it, and he's good to go

GP
10-26-2009, 09:27 AM
I am certain that the injury did not occur on that play but on the 3rd and 12 completion early in the second quarter when AJ left the game briefly. He caught a deep pass over the middle for 18 yds and got smacked from behind by UT-ex Tarrell Brown. AJ rolled over in pain, grimaced, and immediately waved at the sideline for someone to come in to replace him. Moments later cameras caught him squatting on the sideline with a trainer next to him and he appeared to be trying to catch his breath and spit. He then stood up and motioned at his middle/lower back area.

That's the play I thought it was, but I had remembered it (incorrectly) having two defenders.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 10:14 AM
I've taken care of many fractured ribs that pierced the lungs with subsequent blood in the pleural (outside the lung) cavity, with blood accumulation in the cavity. And seldom would it result in blood coming up the respiratory tree into the mouth. This would require severe displacement of the sharp fractured ends piercing deeply within the lung.

Coughing up blood is more commonly seen with trickling of blood into the back of the throat or stomach from oral (eg., lip, tongue lacerations) or nasal trauma, and being spewed out with coughing.

Besides, I've had severely fractured ribs with sharp spike moving fragments myself with blood in the pleural cavity. And I can assure you, no one, even warriors like AJ are going to have any desire to return to the field right after it happens.

If he has a "cracked" non-displaced rib, the pain is still quite debilitating in most cases. Since a rib is a semi-circle, attached to a flexible breast bone in front and a stationary vertebra in the back, any external pressure or internal pressure (breathing) anywhere along the rib will create intense pain. You can have the front of a rib cracked and laying on your back can bring about as much pain as pressure overlying the fracture, because the movement is transmitted througout the rib.

With AJ holding his back, he could have been hit in front and/or the back to produce a back of the rib fracture (if that is what he has).

With the information given thus far, bruised ribs is probably the best we can hope for. And that, by itself, can play havoc with WR performance. Remember, Witten (Cowboys) last year?

Marcus
10-26-2009, 12:28 PM
I've taken care of many fractured ribs that pierced the lungs with subsequent blood in the pleural (outside the lung) cavity, with blood accumulation in the cavity. And seldom would it result in blood coming up the respiratory tree into the mouth. This would require severe displacement of the sharp fractured ends piercing deeply within the lung.

Coughing up blood is more commonly seen with trickling of blood into the back of the throat or stomach from oral (eg., lip, tongue lacerations) or nasal trauma, and being spewed out with coughing.

Besides, I've had severely fractured ribs with sharp spike moving fragments myself with blood in the pleural cavity. And I can assure you, no one, even warriors like AJ are going to have any desire to return to the field right after it happens.

If he has a "cracked" non-displaced rib, the pain is still quite debilitating in most cases. Since a rib is a semi-circle, attached to a flexible breast bone in front and a stationary vertebra in the back, any external pressure or internal pressure (breathing) anywhere along the rib will create intense pain. You can have the front of a rib cracked and laying on your back can bring about as much pain as pressure overlying the fracture, because the movement is transmitted througout the rib.

With AJ holding his back, he could have been hit in front and/or the back to produce a back of the rib fracture (if that is what he has).

With the information given thus far, bruised ribs is probably the best we can hope for. And that, by itself, can play havoc with WR performance. Remember, Witten (Cowboys) last year?

Thanks for the info, Cloak. Unless he bit his tongue or lip, or busted his nose, I don't see how bruised ribs can make you cough up blood. Gotta be something more going on. But given how cryptic they are about player injuries, I doubt we'll find out what it really is.

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 12:38 PM
On the nflnetwork, they just said AJ is expected to play next week and THE TRAINERS HAD TO HIDE HIS HELMET TO KEEP HIM FROM GOING BACK ON THE FIELD.

AJ = Texans first Hall of Fame player.

Marcus
10-26-2009, 12:57 PM
On the nflnetwork, they just said AJ is expected to play next week and THE TRAINERS HAD TO HIDE HIS HELMET TO KEEP HIM FROM GOING BACK ON THE FIELD.

AJ = Texans first Hall of Fame player.

Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that AJ would play in Buffalo if it were up to him.

And it's probably a very good thing that it isn't.

D-Frank
10-26-2009, 01:03 PM
On the nflnetwork, they just said AJ is expected to play next week and THE TRAINERS HAD TO HIDE HIS HELMET TO KEEP HIM FROM GOING BACK ON THE FIELD.

AJ = Texans first Hall of Fame player.

WOW (no sarcasm)

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 01:21 PM
Rotoworld reports (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=156607&id=1575):

RotoAndre Johnson's Week 7 chest injury is not expected to keep him out of any upcoming games, according to the Houston Chronicle.

"They're telling me it's a chest contusion," said coach Gary Kubiak. A.J. had X-rays in a hospital after the game. Kubiak's characterization indicates that the tests came back negative for any fractures. A contusion is merely a bruise. The Texans travel to Buffalo in Week 8. Johnson is on pace to catch 87 passes for for 1,450 yards and 10 touchdowns this season.

Keep in mind that plain rib x-rays may not show cracked ribs for up to 10 days following injury. Hopefully, it's not more than bruised ribs (which is bad enough), but...............


Addition: An update is expected by Kubiak in the afternoon conference.

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 01:25 PM
Keep in mind that plain rib x-rays may not show cracked ribs for up to 10 days following injury. Hopefully, it's not more than bruised ribs (which is bad enough), but...............

You are the certainly the expert. From the perspective of someone who has had both bruised and broken ribs on multiple occasions they are a tremendous pain. Only a broken coccyx has been a bigger pain in my butt, so to speak.

Runner
10-26-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm ignoring the Andre injury situation in hopes it will go away.

HoustonFrog
10-26-2009, 01:39 PM
1) Andre is a Tough SOB

2) Cracked and broken ribs hurt like hell

3) There isn't a team out there where you can say "we don't need AJ for this game." Just not smart.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 02:13 PM
You are the certainly the expert. From the perspective of someone who has had both bruised and broken ribs on multiple occasions they are a tremendous pain. Only a broken coccyx has been a bigger pain in my butt, so to speak.

Youch, that's one terrible SITuation, if you know what I mean........and I know you do.:)

HOU-TEX
10-26-2009, 02:13 PM
1) Andre is a Tough SOB

2) Cracked and broken ribs hurt like hell

3) There isn't a team out there where you can say "we don't need AJ for this game." Just not smart.

Yes, that he is.

I was watching NFL Gameday on NFLN at lunch and they said AJ kept trying to go back in the game. They said the Texans staff had to eventually take and hide AJ's helmet to keep him from re-entering the game. Dang!

TexanSam
10-26-2009, 02:33 PM
I'm glad he wasn't able to re-enter. Would have hated to have him injure himself even more

Kaiser Toro
10-26-2009, 03:08 PM
I'm ignoring the Andre injury situation in hopes it will go away.

Sounds like someone is sentimenstrual

Blazing Arrow
10-26-2009, 03:24 PM
They say he will play next week but he was spitting up blood on the field, had to have his helmet taken from him not to go back on and did not finish his last play on the field.

Hope the guy is OK and not kept out long.

You guys might be the "enemy" but this guy is well respected by all fans regardless of the team.

Players like AJ and Harrison might be the bane of other teams but they have earned it.

GuerillaBlack
10-26-2009, 03:37 PM
On the nflnetwork, they just said AJ is expected to play next week and THE TRAINERS HAD TO HIDE HIS HELMET TO KEEP HIM FROM GOING BACK ON THE FIELD.

AJ = Texans first Hall of Fame player.

Easily.

Just wait twenty or so years. AJ will be the first Texan in Canton. :)

Runner
10-26-2009, 04:24 PM
I'm ignoring the Andre injury situation in hopes it will go away.

Sounds like someone is sentimenstrual

I'm in total control my faculties. How could you even think such a thing?

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 04:37 PM
Lung contusion.

gtexan02
10-26-2009, 04:40 PM
Lung contusion.

Elaborate for us! :)

DexmanC
10-26-2009, 04:40 PM
The lung contusion happened on the first play. He hid the injury from
the doctors most of the game, and the trainers had to TAKE HIS HELMET
FROM HIM to get him out of the game.

A lung contusion = lung bruise

He'll be day-to-day

Marcus
10-26-2009, 04:46 PM
Lung contusion.

OK, I'm 'conf(t)used.

How would one get a "lung contusion" without being "contused" somewhere else?

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 04:52 PM
Elaborate for us! :)

The lungs are mobile within the lung cavity. With severe chest or back trauma, the lung can swing like a clanging bell against the walls of the surrounding lung cavity, and sustain breakage of capillaries within the lung sac tissues which drain into the bronchial tubes to the trachea into the mouth with cough. We didn't get accurate information in that this is pretty easy to diagnose with plain chest x-ray by opacity of the involved areas. Bleeding can and does many times also occur within the lung cavity, which again is easily diagnosed by plain x-ray.

The typical significant contusion leads to some respiratory distress for at least 48 hours. It takes anywhere from 5-10 days to heal and lessen the worry of reinjury/rebleed. Dre probably should be kept out of Sunday's game. But should be OK thereafter if he does not develop any associated complications. The thing you worry about is there is significant incidence of associated infection and possibly the very serious adult respiratory distress syndrome within the 1st week. And with many of these contusions is that they can cause significant fibrosis of the lung tissues with subsequent long term (years) progressive loss of breathing reserve.

TheRealJoker
10-26-2009, 04:53 PM
I remember that first hit he took he took a shot on his back.

Mailman
10-26-2009, 04:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_contusion

Heath Shuler
10-26-2009, 04:58 PM
Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson has a lung contusion and is listed as day-to-day for Sunday's game against Buffalo, coach Gary Kubiak said Monday.

Johnson will undergo tests throughout the week before a decision is made on his availability.

"We're fortunate here," Kubiak said.

Johnson left Sunday's game against San Francisco in the fourth quarter and was taken to an area hospital for X-rays. He fell on the ball, coughed up blood and went to the sideline.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6687016.html

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 05:14 PM
OK, I'm 'conf(t)used.

How would one get a "lung contusion" without being "contused" somewhere else?

He almost certainly is contused somewhere else as well. Not to buy an injury prone label for myself, but I have also had a lung contusion (result of a dog fight, not that kind of dog fight) and it was very painful. I had never heard of a lung contusion before the Doc said that is what I had. Having said that, and cloak can certainly disagree with more authority, unlike a rib break it isn't one of those injuries playing with will typically make worse and I expect AJ to trooper through it although I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him down on the field or taking breaks due to the pain.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 05:44 PM
He almost certainly is contused somewhere else as well. Not to buy an injury prone label for myself, but I have also had a lung contusion (result of a dog fight, not that kind of dog fight) and it was very painful. I had never heard of a lung contusion before the Doc said that is what I had. Having said that, and cloak can certainly disagree with more authority, unlike a rib break it isn't one of those injuries playing with will typically make worse and I expect AJ to trooper through it although I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him down on the field or taking breaks due to the pain.

Pulmonary contusions by themselves are not painful in that nerve endings within the lung tissue areas are virtually nonexistent. The reason for pain when present is that they are so many of these injuries that are accompanied by other injuries (eg., bruised muscles and sometimes fractures that are not immediately evident) that DO elicit pain.

The full acute effects of a lung contusion may not be evident for 24-72 hours. If the broken blood vessels are not allowed to fully heal, additional severe trauma can disrupt the weak blood vessel/clot seals and produce further bleeding with increased chance for subsequent morbities that might otherwise have been avoided.

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 06:21 PM
Pulmonary contusions by themselves are not painful in that nerve endings within the lung tissue areas are virtually nonexistent. The reason for pain when present is that they are so many of these injuries that are accompanied by other injuries (eg., bruised muscles and sometimes fractures that are not immediately evident) that DO elicit pain.

The full acute effects of a lung contusion may not be evident for 24-72 hours. If the broken blood vessels are not allowed to fully heal, additional severe trauma can disrupt the weak blood vessel/clot seals and produce further bleeding with increased chance for subsequent morbities that might otherwise have been avoided.

Totally agree with the delayed effect. Don't know about the pulmonary contusion itself being the source of pain but I'll tell you whatever combination it was was a painful mofo experience. My chest hurt more than my arm that was blue/black from my shoulder to my elbow to accompany the I don't know exactly 5-7 puncture wounds. English mastiffs are beautiful dogs you don't want to get bit by.

Texans_Chick
10-26-2009, 06:38 PM
Pulmonary contusions by themselves are not painful in that nerve endings within the lung tissue areas are virtually nonexistent. The reason for pain when present is that they are so many of these injuries that are accompanied by other injuries (eg., bruised muscles and sometimes fractures that are not immediately evident) that DO elicit pain.

The full acute effects of a lung contusion may not be evident for 24-72 hours. If the broken blood vessels are not allowed to fully heal, additional severe trauma can disrupt the weak blood vessel/clot seals and produce further bleeding with increased chance for subsequent morbities that might otherwise have been avoided.


Kubiak's description of the injury:

Head Coach Gary Kubiak

(on WR Andre Johnson’s injury) “He has a lung contusion. They feel good about it. Looks like he’s going to be fine. I think obviously he’s going to be day to day as we go into this week but they’ll do some tests on him each day as we go through this week but I think we’re fortunate here and hopefully he’ll be ready to go against Buffalo. But he’ll be day to day.”


(on when WR Andre Johnson got injured) “It happened early in the game. It happened on his first catch. He got hit in the lower back pretty good and played the whole game, was having a hard time catching his breath and then after he made that big play was struggling with it. So he basically played banged up throughout the day so that’s pretty impressive by him.”


(on what it says about Johnson that he went back in the game and they had to hide his helmet to keep him off the field) “That’s him, he wants to do whatever he can do to help this team win and yesterday was a struggle getting him the ball. He had two plays that were both big plays but you know Andre will give you everything he’s got. Y’all know that. And he knew this team needed a couple more plays to win and he was willing to go make them.”


(on what tests WR Andre Johnson will go through regarding his injury) “I think just doing blood work and just making sure everything’s ok. I hate to be the expert on that but that’s the way it’s explained to me.”

I have never had a lung contusion but did have some childhood asthma. I can tell you that I found cold weather very difficult to exercise in and still do. AJ has had some great performances in cold weather, but that's not going to be comfortable.

rmartin65
10-26-2009, 06:44 PM
I have never had a lung contusion but did have some childhood asthma. I can tell you that I found cold weather very difficult to exercise in and still do. AJ has had some great performances in cold weather, but that's not going to be comfortable.

That is true. But something I noticed during my sports career is that you heat up quickly. The extremities will be cold, but the core is always warm. It will smart, but if he can play with the pain of the lung the cold should not tax it too much.

dsorc
10-26-2009, 07:34 PM
That is true. But something I noticed during my sports career is that you heat up quickly. The extremities will be cold, but the core is always warm. It will smart, but if he can play with the pain of the lung the cold should not tax it too much.

The problem is not really pain as there are no nerves in the lungs. The problem will be more in terms of breathing. Lung contusion usually leads to shortness of breath. The cold could exacerbate that. They might just limit his snaps to make sure he doesn't gas himself.

rmartin65
10-26-2009, 07:40 PM
The problem is not really pain as there are no nerves in the lungs. The problem will be more in terms of breathing. Lung contusion usually leads to shortness of breath. The cold could exacerbate that. They might just limit his snaps to make sure he doesn't gas himself.

No nerves? Sweet, I had no clue. What is the pain that you feel when you do take a quick breath in the cold?

Back on topic, yea, limiting snaps is probably going to happen.

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 07:50 PM
The problem is not really pain as there are no nerves in the lungs.

Maybe not but somehow it transfers and very painful.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 08:02 PM
Kubiak's description of the injury:

Head Coach Gary Kubiak

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I have never had a lung contusion but did have some childhood asthma. I can tell you that I found cold weather very difficult to exercise in and still do. AJ has had some great performances in cold weather, but that's not going to be comfortable.

TC,

I'm not so concerned about "comfortable" breathing as I am about extending the pulmonary damage. In treating pulmonary contusions, you want to deliver humidified warm air to the lungs. Furthermore, cold air is likely to create a perfect environment for brochiospasm in an already irritated respiratory system.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2009, 08:03 PM
He almost certainly is contused somewhere else as well. Not to buy an injury prone label for myself, but I have also had a lung contusion (result of a dog fight, not that kind of dog fight) and it was very painful. I had never heard of a lung contusion before the Doc said that is what I had. Having said that, and cloak can certainly disagree with more authority, unlike a rib break it isn't one of those injuries playing with will typically make worse and I expect AJ to trooper through it although I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him down on the field or taking breaks due to the pain.


Tried to PM you............you're all filled up.

DocBar
10-26-2009, 08:08 PM
I say keep him on the sideline Sunday. Let the rest of the WR's get a seat at the feast. I know we need to win this game, but do we do it at a risk of losing AJ for a longer period of time? Internal injuries aren't something to try and be macho with and play through. Besides, we can start JJ and keep that infernal thread going until oblivion. :)

dsorc
10-26-2009, 08:11 PM
No nerves? Sweet, I had no clue. What is the pain that you feel when you do take a quick breath in the cold?

Back on topic, yea, limiting snaps is probably going to happen.
There are nerves in the area just not in the lung itself. The pain is probably from the rest of the airway in response to the cold and the dryness. More on topic, a lung contusion usually resolves itself in 5-7 days. Andre may be limited for Buffalo but should be good to go the rest of the way.

GP
10-26-2009, 08:35 PM
I say keep him on the sideline Sunday. Let the rest of the WR's get a seat at the feast. I know we need to win this game, but do we do it at a risk of losing AJ for a longer period of time? Internal injuries aren't something to try and be macho with and play through. Besides, we can start JJ and keep that infernal thread going until oblivion. :)

:foottap:

You're now on my "ignore" list, DocBar.

j/k

infantrycak
10-26-2009, 10:07 PM
Tried to PM you............you're all filled up.

Try again, I cleared a few.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-26-2009, 10:24 PM
There are nerves in the area just not in the lung itself. The pain is probably from the rest of the airway in response to the cold and the dryness. More on topic, a lung contusion usually resolves itself in 5-7 days. Andre may be limited for Buffalo but should be good to go the rest of the way.

5-7 days. I am relieved to hear this. This injury may limits Andre for Buffalo game but most importantly, he will be good to go the rest of remaining season. This is good news!!!

Go Texans!!!

Thorn
10-26-2009, 10:26 PM
The Bills are very beatable without AJ. We have other good recievers to put in. Hell, even Mr. Fumble himself when lining up in the slot has been doing real well.

Big Lou
10-26-2009, 11:58 PM
Lung contusion.



And to think I thought that the blood he coughed up came from the Corner Back he ate for breakfast. I thought he bleeds Deep Steel Blue, not Battle Red.

Big Lou
10-27-2009, 12:00 AM
5-7 days. I am relieved to hear this. This injury may limits Andre for Buffalo game but most importantly, he will be good to go the rest of remaining season. This is good news!!!

Go Texans!!!

I hate to be confident about going to Buffalo, but I say have him sit out and put in Andre Davis.

NitroGSXR
10-27-2009, 12:19 AM
I hate to be confident about going to Buffalo, but I say have him sit out and put in Andre Davis.

I want him active. He doesn't necessarily have to play but I want Andre Johnson active if he can get sound medical clearance. You do not let up on the gas just because it's Buffalo and we've got a daunting team (Colts) the week after. The NFL season is too short for that. We're already hanging by a thread trying to make the playoffs right now. Every single game counts right now.

infantrycak
10-27-2009, 12:27 AM
Andre Johnson running down the field is a better decoy than 25 with a fleur de lis ever thought about being.

dalemurphy
10-27-2009, 12:50 AM
Thank God! I was so relieved to hear that he only damaged an internal organ! whew... what a relief.

DoCRoN
10-27-2009, 12:58 AM
I hope the recovery time mentioned by Kubiak is accurate. I seem to recall AJ being "day-to-day" and a "game-time decision" for quite a few weeks with a knee sprain a couple years ago... :foottap:

(Obviously I hope he recovers from this with no problems, first & foremost)

infantrycak
10-27-2009, 01:18 AM
I hope the recovery time mentioned by Kubiak is accurate. I seem to recall AJ being "day-to-day" and a "game-time decision" for quite a few weeks with a knee sprain a couple years ago... :foottap:

(Obviously I hope he recovers from this with no problems, first & foremost)

Wouldn't you play that game if you were the coach? Folks around here act like the Texans are some sort of dishonest organization. I would call it stupid to not keep people doubting.

NitroGSXR
10-27-2009, 01:22 AM
Wouldn't you play that game if you were the coach? Folks around here act like the Texans are some sort of dishonest organization. I would call it stupid to not keep people doubting.

But if he's out? He should be labeled as out. That's the issue with the organization, I think.

NitroGSXR
10-27-2009, 02:21 AM
The lung contusion happened on the first play. He hid the injury from
the doctors most of the game, and the trainers had to TAKE HIS HELMET
FROM HIM to get him out of the game.

A lung contusion = lung bruise

He'll be day-to-day
It really piqued my interest to hear that this supposedly occured on the first play.

I just watched the DVR. He was never or even remotely touched on the first play. He is 100% visable on your TV screen for the duration of the play. I could not see him for the second and third plays but he was on the opposite side of the field when the ball went to the sideline. Not sure if he'd really get hit from there for any reason. On that third play, he sprinted deep.

I don't think he got touched on the first drive at all but I can't confirm for certain on the 2nd and 3rd play but he was not touched on the first.

*pause*

I just took a pause to read the quotes just now. Kubiak said it happened on his first catch but it was not the first play. Going to look at it now.

vanknights2002
10-27-2009, 03:14 AM
I say keep him on the sideline Sunday. Let the rest of the WR's get a seat at the feast. I know we need to win this game, but do we do it at a risk of losing AJ for a longer period of time? Internal injuries aren't something to try and be macho with and play through. Besides, we can start JJ and keep that infernal thread going until oblivion. :)

AJ wanted to play so bad Sunday that he slips pass the med. staff and came back to the field. Where he was look for his helmet to go back out. The med. staff had to take him off the field. AJ is the type of play that want to gave the fans everything he has and love to play the game. If we don't play him we need to keep in Houston. Or he might try to get on the field dressed like someone else and have a big game for us.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-27-2009, 03:37 AM
Should AJ be able but limited to play, we can always use him as decoy like infantrycak mentioned. Hope, we don't have to use him too much as AJ's health is #1 priority.

AJ = #1 NFL WR and superstar

Go Texans!!!

Mailman
10-27-2009, 05:05 AM
It really piqued my interest to hear that this supposedly occured on the first play.

I just watched the DVR. He was never or even remotely touched on the first play. He is 100% visable on your TV screen for the duration of the play. I could not see him for the second and third plays but he was on the opposite side of the field when the ball went to the sideline. Not sure if he'd really get hit from there for any reason. On that third play, he sprinted deep.

I don't think he got touched on the first drive at all but I can't confirm for certain on the 2nd and 3rd play but he was not touched on the first.

*pause*

I just took a pause to read the quotes just now. Kubiak said it happened on his first catch but it was not the first play. Going to look at it now.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1284948&postcount=34

CloakNNNdagger
10-27-2009, 09:06 AM
From the HoustonTexans home page. Benign interpretation, or "evolution" into an open-ended statement?

Sigh of relief October 26, 2009 - Coach Gary Kubiak updated the status of wide receiver Andre Johnson on Monday, saying that the Pro Bowler will be day-to-day this week after suffering a lung contusion against San Francisco. Johnson is not expected to miss an extended period of time.

Texan_Bill
10-27-2009, 09:17 AM
The lungs are mobile within the lung cavity. With severe chest or back trauma, the lung can swing like a clanging bell against the walls of the surrounding lung cavity, and sustain breakage of capillaries within the lung sac tissues which drain into the bronchial tubes to the trachea into the mouth with cough. We didn't get accurate information in that this is pretty easy to diagnose with plain chest x-ray by opacity of the involved areas. Bleeding can and does many times also occur within the lung cavity, which again is easily diagnosed by plain x-ray.

The typical significant contusion leads to some respiratory distress for at least 48 hours. It takes anywhere from 5-10 days to heal and lessen the worry of reinjury/rebleed. Dre probably should be kept out of Sunday's game. But should be OK thereafter if he does not develop any associated complications. The thing you worry about is there is significant incidence of associated infection and possibly the very serious adult respiratory distress syndrome within the 1st week. And with many of these contusions is that they can cause significant fibrosis of the lung tissues with subsequent long term (years) progressive loss of breathing reserve.

Pulmonary contusions by themselves are not painful in that nerve endings within the lung tissue areas are virtually nonexistent. The reason for pain when present is that they are so many of these injuries that are accompanied by other injuries (eg., bruised muscles and sometimes fractures that are not immediately evident) that DO elicit pain.

The full acute effects of a lung contusion may not be evident for 24-72 hours. If the broken blood vessels are not allowed to fully heal, additional severe trauma can disrupt the weak blood vessel/clot seals and produce further bleeding with increased chance for subsequent morbities that might otherwise have been avoided.


Glad to see all of that schooling paying off! :shades:

CloakNNNdagger
10-27-2009, 10:33 AM
Glad to see all of that schooling paying off! :shades:

Well, it's at least made me dangerous with a knife.:pirate:

NitroGSXR
10-27-2009, 12:21 PM
Well, it's at least made me dangerous with a knife.:pirate:

As well as dangerous to our pocketbooks!
:choke:

barrett
10-27-2009, 01:55 PM
AJ wanted to play so bad Sunday that he slips pass the med. staff and came back to the field. Where he was look for his helmet to go back out. The med. staff had to take him off the field. AJ is the type of play that want to gave the fans everything he has and love to play the game. If we don't play him we need to keep in Houston. Or he might try to get on the field dressed like someone else and have a big game for us.

I read that extra tid bit via Nick Scurfield. What a great story. He sneaks out of the training room and actually get's back in for a series apparently!

Marcus
10-27-2009, 02:06 PM
As well as dangerous to our pocketbooks!
:choke:

:um:

NitroGSXR
10-27-2009, 02:47 PM
:um:

He's a doctor? They're expensive? Guess I whiffed on that one too. Today's not my day. I incorrectly placed the Steelers and Ravens into the NFC and now this. Oh well.

Wolf
10-28-2009, 07:15 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6690801.html


Receiver Andre Johnson did not practice today because of a bruised lung. Andre Davis took his place in the lineup across from Kevin Walter.

Johnson was injured in Sunday's 24-21 victory over San Francisco. He expects to play at Buffalo.

"Andre ran on the side some today," coach Gary Kubiak said. "I'm encouraged by what I saw today. If he doesn't have any setbacks, I feel good about him being able to play."