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Marcus
10-19-2009, 02:43 PM
Since this was an away game, did the rest of you catch what the announcers said about how lot of coaches in the league really admire Kubiak's offense and are trying to duplicate it? They even mentioned during the game that the Bengals coach spent a lot of time during the offseason studying it. That was definitely a "Woah, did you just hear that?" moment.

They say imitation is the finest form of flattery. That couldn't be more true than in the NFL.

El Tejano
10-19-2009, 02:54 PM
Well after Denver was so succesful running the ball and had that long string of playoff appearances, everyone wanted to implement it.

HOU-TEX
10-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Well after Denver was so succesful running the ball and had that long string of playoff appearances, everyone wanted to implement it.

Well, after being gashed by the ZBS (running game) in the preseason and the first few games, it seems as if teams are running it better than we are.

TheRealJoker
10-19-2009, 02:57 PM
Kubiak is an excellent X's and O's coach. Nobody disputes that but I think his problem is that he's not a "leader" so much as a behind the scenes operator.

In other words, he's a better coordinator than head coach. I hope he proves me wrong this season!!!

noxiousdog
10-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Kubiak is an excellent X's and O's coach. Nobody disputes that but I think his problem is that he's not a "leader" so much as a behind the scenes operator.

In other words, he's a better coordinator than head coach. I hope he proves me wrong this season!!!

Seems like a more nuaced view might be appropriate.

I've not seen an ounce of quit in his teams and their 2nd half record bears that out. At the same time, they do seem to read their own press a little too much and don't seem to be "ready to play" after big wins.

I think both fall under leadership.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 03:20 PM
Seems like a more nuaced view might be appropriate.

I've not seen an ounce of quit in his teams and their 2nd half record bears that out. At the same time, they do seem to read their own press a little too much and don't seem to be "ready to play" after big wins.

I think both fall under leadership.

As Stephanie mentioned in her blog last week, this is the youngest team in the NFL and this is the first season that this team has had above average talent. So, to this point, I think he's gotten a lot out of what he had to work with. Check back with me if they don't win 10 games this season.

Thorn
10-19-2009, 03:26 PM
Check back with me if they don't win 10 games this season.

The Texans will have to go 7-3 for the rest of the season to win 10 games this year. Not saying they can't, just saying.......

DiehardChris
10-19-2009, 03:43 PM
The Texans will have to go 7-3 for the rest of the season to win 10 games this year. Not saying they can't, just saying.......

They've been good late in the season in the last couple of years, and they also look like they're a better road team. I really don't think it's crazy to think they can still win 10 games.

If you think about it - with all the problems the team has had this year, they're really only a game worse than most people thought they would be right now. I think most people had them at 4-2 after six games.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 03:50 PM
The Texans will have to go 7-3 for the rest of the season to win 10 games this year. Not saying they can't, just saying.......

Yep. They went 8-4 in their last 12 last year. This year's team is much better than that one.

Thorn
10-19-2009, 03:51 PM
They've been good late in the season in the last couple of years, and they also look like they're a better road team. I really don't think it's crazy to think they can still win 10 games.

If you think about it - with all the problems the team has had this year, they're really only a game worse than most people thought they would be right now. I think most people had them at 4-2 after six games.

The Texas are quite capable of winning 10 or 11 games this year. But will they? Can they get past the historical model and make something of themselves?

I hope so, I hope they kick butt. I'm tired of being an also ran in this league.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-20-2009, 06:30 AM
We are at .500 and still have legit chance to go playoff or the first winning season.

Now, when Kubiak became HC for Texans after Capers era, how many players left from that era? Not many right? The most players are filled from draft which make us very young team like stephanie mentioned.

After 3 years under Kubiak(going on 4th), we now have quite a few quality players in our roster. Back in Capers era, when they cut someone most likely they will be unemployed. But now, when we cut someone they get picked up by other NFL team which means we do have quality players.

Just give our young team sometime, we will only get better.

Just hang on Texans' fan(me included), we will be very strong team for years to come. As Mario said, we finally turned the corner. Of course, we will have some ups and downs but, we will be very stong and respected team for years to come IMO.

My English capability is very limited and this is all I can write for now.

Go Texans!!!
Go Texans' fan!!!

Scooter
10-20-2009, 07:33 AM
We are at .500 and still have legit chance to go playoff or the first winning season.

Now, when Kubiak became HC for Texans after Capers era, how many players left from that era? No many right? The most players are filled from draft which make us very young team like stepanie mentioned.

After 3 years under Kubiak(going on 4th), we now have quite a few quality players in our roster. Back in Capers era, when they cut someone most likely they will be unemployed. But now, when we cut someone they get picked up by other NFL team which means we do have quality players.

Just give our young team sometime, we will only get better.

Just hang on Texans' fan(me included), we will be very strong team for years to come. As Mario said, we finally turned the corner. Of course, we will have some ups and downs but, we will be very stong and respected team for years to come IMO.

My English capability is very limited and this is all can write for now.

Go Texans!!!
Go Texans' fan!!!

i think i counted 9 at the time that were kept, and that included names like cc brown that arent here any more. the only keepers were dunta, pitts, johnson, and kris brown - everybody else has been replaced in kubiak's time. considering our age and a 49 player turnover in 4 years, we've come a VERY long way. this team is really going to be judged in a bout 5 years when players like mario, demeco, cushing, dwayne brown, etc etc are in their primes and we've got home grown veterans.

i caught the remark about lewis and other coaches studying and trying to duplicate kubiak's offense, and it doesnt suprise me at all. kubiak had been considered for head coaching jobs for years because it was obvious he knows offensive X's and O's as well as anybody in the league. with his pedigree and the players he's worked with, it's impossible for other coaches not to notice how dynamic he's made our offense with castoffs and youth in such a short time.

gtexan02
10-20-2009, 07:56 AM
The Texans are the definition of any given Sunday. We are just as likely to go 10-0, 9-1, 8-2, 7-3....etc

SAMURAITEXAN
10-20-2009, 08:30 AM
i think i counted 9 at the time that were kept, and that included names like cc brown that arent here any more. the only keepers were dunta, pitts, johnson, and kris brown - everybody else has been replaced in kubiak's time. considering our age and a 49 player turnover in 4 years, we've come a VERY long way. this team is really going to be judged in a bout 5 years when players like mario, demeco, cushing, dwayne brown, etc etc are in their primes and we've got home grown veterans.
i caught the remark about lewis and other coaches studying and trying to duplicate kubiak's offense, and it doesnt suprise me at all. kubiak had been considered for head coaching jobs for years because it was obvious he knows offensive X's and O's as well as anybody in the league. with his pedigree and the players he's worked with, it's impossible for other coaches not to notice how dynamic he's made our offense with castoffs and youth in such a short time.

Isn't it exciting to know that our young players like Mario, DeMeco, Cushing, and others are not in their prime yet?

This is why I am saying "give these young studs sometime" because they will only get better.

Go Texans!!!

76Texan
10-20-2009, 08:35 AM
Yeah, the ZBS is so outdated that the Packers, Falcons, and Bengals all have winning record.

And at least half of the league, including the Colts, employ ZBS in some of their plays.

painekiller
10-20-2009, 11:23 AM
Yeah, the ZBS is so outdated that the Packers, Falcons, and Bengals all have winning record.

And at least half of the league, including the Colts, employ ZBS in some of their plays.

Gibbs runs a version of ZBS, not all teams run ZBS the same. Most every team in college and pro's has some version of ZBS in it playbook.

Gibbs system is roughly 6 run plays executed to perfection, where the quick athletic blockers skill set is rated higher than power ball skill set.

His version of the ZBS is effective when the OC and OGs get off the ball and make a series of blocks in order for the RB to find a cutback lane. In 1995 the average DT was just starting to hit 300 Lbs, now most teams have guys in the 320's or some even bigger, who are just as athletic as the player from the past. Our OL has to grow with the times.

Also it takes time for the player to get the consistency that Gibbs demands, so few rookies are given the chance to play.

eriadoc
10-20-2009, 11:42 AM
Gibbs runs a version of ZBS, not all teams run ZBS the same. Most every team in college and pro's has some version of ZBS in it playbook.

Gibbs system is roughly 6 run plays executed to perfection, where the quick athletic blockers skill set is rated higher than power ball skill set.

His version of the ZBS is effective when the OC and OGs get off the ball and make a series of blocks in order for the RB to find a cutback lane. In 1995 the average DT was just starting to hit 300 Lbs, now most teams have guys in the 320's or some even bigger, who are just as athletic as the player from the past. Our OL has to grow with the times.

Also it takes time for the player to get the consistency that Gibbs demands, so few rookies are given the chance to play.

What does 1995 have to do with it? Did Gibbs stop coaching in 1995? Last I checked, he took a few other teams after that to #1 rushing attack in the NFL. In fact, he did it with the Falcons when Matt Schaub was there, with Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett. Vick had a lot to do with it as well, but they were a great rushing team even without Vick. If they would have had a passing game, they would have been deadly.

MojoMan
10-20-2009, 06:55 PM
The Texans will have to go 7-3 for the rest of the season to win 10 games this year. Not saying they can't, just saying.......

If you look at the Texan's remaining schedule, they could very well be favored in seven of their last 10 games. Even if that does not turn out to be the case, the only games that they will be prohibitive underdogs in will be Indianapolis (twice) and the last game at home against New England.

Here is a link to the Texans schedule:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=hou

It will be an impressive run if the Texans can finish 10-6. But I am looking forward to seeing it happen.

76Texan
10-21-2009, 10:31 AM
Gibbs runs a version of ZBS, not all teams run ZBS the same. Most every team in college and pro's has some version of ZBS in it playbook.

Gibbs system is roughly 6 run plays executed to perfection, where the quick athletic blockers skill set is rated higher than power ball skill set.

His version of the ZBS is effective when the OC and OGs get off the ball and make a series of blocks in order for the RB to find a cutback lane. In 1995 the average DT was just starting to hit 300 Lbs, now most teams have guys in the 320's or some even bigger, who are just as athletic as the player from the past. Our OL has to grow with the times.

Also it takes time for the player to get the consistency that Gibbs demands, so few rookies are given the chance to play.

Bengals

C Kyle Cook 312 lbs is a slow turk and not very agile
LG Mathis 295 lbs


Falcons
C McClure is 295 lbs
RG Dahl is 305 lbs
LT Baker is 307 lbs

Packers
C Spitz is 307 lbs
LG Colledge is 308 lbs
RT Barbre is 305 lbs