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TexCanada
10-19-2009, 12:27 PM
Does anyone else agree that with Dunta's skill set he might be better suited at safety? He is a hard hitter and a strong tackler but lacks a little in coverage. If someone else could step up and do a decent job at cb, it seems like he could potentially have some success at safety. On the other hand, maybe he is a little too far along in his career to make a successful switch.

utahmark
10-19-2009, 12:33 PM
he's to small. he would kill himself. plus who would play his spot? he also makes to much money to be a safety.

nero THE zero
10-19-2009, 12:35 PM
This has been touched on too many times by now.

Dunta won't be moved to safety because (1)his frame is too small to hold up to the beating and (2) CB make more money than safeties.

That said, if we're moving any of our CB's to safety, it will be Glover Quin. He hits like a safety, has below average speed, and has great instincts. As such, he was scouted as a S by many teams before the draft. Assuming we can replace him with someone at CB, I think he's a great candidate to replace Wilson at FS.

HOU-TEX
10-19-2009, 12:41 PM
This has been touched on too many times by now.

Dunta won't be moved to safety because (1)his frame is too small to hold up to the beating and (2) CB make more money than safeties.

That said, if we're moving any of our CB's to safety, it will be Glover Quin. He hits like a safety, has below average speed, and has great instincts. As such, he was scouted as a S by many teams before the draft. Assuming we can replace him with someone at CB, I think he's a great candidate to replace Wilson at FS.

Agreed! :goodpost:

Jackie Chiles
10-19-2009, 12:42 PM
That said, if we're moving any of our CB's to safety, it will be Glover Quin. He hits like a safety, has below average speed, and has great instincts. As such, he was scouted as a S by many teams before the draft. Assuming we can replace him with someone at CB, I think he's a great candidate to replace Wilson at FS.

Glover Quin is actually third on our team in tackles. Incredibly impressive for a rookie CB that wasn't in the lineup all the team until recently. He probably would make a fine S but I love the physicality that he brings at CB and wouldn't want to give that up with a move to safety. Glover has really blown up some screens lately that we just didn't have an answer for early in the season. Let him work on his coverage skills (he was the Champ Bailey of OTAs, heh) and find another safety somewhere else.

mussop
10-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Dunta would cry like a baby if he was moved to safety. There is no way he would except it.

infantrycak
10-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Dunta would cry like a baby if he was moved to safety. There is no way he would except it.

Oh, I am pretty sure he would take exception.

johndoe
10-19-2009, 09:04 PM
I for one have been pleased with the play of Eugene Wilson. Moving Dunta for a year isnt worth it IMO

TimeKiller
10-20-2009, 08:54 AM
Shoulda happened when he came back.

Shoulda....but didna.....

Quin is obviously making a huge case for a S role. If he can duplicate his tackling at CB while continuing to improve his coverage I don't see how he isn't the starting FS 2010

thunderkyss
10-20-2009, 11:23 AM
Is it just me, or is Dunta not making a very good argument for a long term deal..... with any team?

I can count maybe 3 plays that he made..... and several blown coverages.

Dunta takes blame (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6674110.html)

After the game, coach Gary Kubiak said cornerback Dunta Robinson is playing as well as he ever has.

But Robinson took the blame for a long completion that set up a touchdown at the end of the first half.

Quarterback Carson Palmer threw a 50-yard pass to Chad Ochocinco for a first down at the Texans' 8.

“That was on me,” Robinson said. “They had a good play called for our coverage, but I should have stopped it. Chad made a great catch on that one.”

I honestly don't see him with this team next year.

Spike
10-20-2009, 11:30 AM
Is it just me, or is Dunta not making a very good argument for a long term deal..... with any team?

I can count maybe 3 plays that he made..... and several blown coverages.



I honestly don't see him with this team next year.

Even if Dunta were playing well, I don't see him on this team next year. If he were playing well, he would go get his money some where else and rub it is Rick Smith's face.

I don't think he is playing great, but he is playing better than average. He'll be making good money somewhere next year, but I don't think it will be close to what he would have made if he accepted the offer Smtih gave.

Look at Reeves. He signed a pretty big deal here after playing horrendous (by all accounts from Cowboy fans). Decent CB are in demand in this league.

I don't think we can afford to franchise Dunta next year b/c his production isn't close to what we are paying for him, however, I think we are going to miss him - I hate to say - because we don't have a replacement for him.

badboy
10-20-2009, 12:15 PM
Here is the problem with moving Quinn to FS. Dunta should be gone next year and that means drafting a CB to start. Could happen but the best CBs will not be available when we draft. I think a trade for Asomugha and DT Gerrard Warren 6'4" 330 31yoa for DR, Okoye and Barwin would resolve 3 issues. Gives us the best CB in NFL opposite Reeves. Allows Quinn to start at FS and gives us a beast to stop the run. If we could pick up Shaun Rodgers DT also, whooeee! I have running back Toby Gerhardt (rated 3rd best RB by NFLdraftscout.com) in 2nd round on my board but would consider drafting him in first if we have a later pick in first than I antcipate at the moment. 6'1" 235 4.55

rmartin65
10-20-2009, 12:20 PM
I have running back Toby Gerhardt (rated 3rd best RB by NFLdraftscout.com) in 2nd round on my board but would consider drafting him in first if we have a later pick in first than I antcipate at the moment. 6'1" 235 4.55

Score! I have another guy on the bandwagon! Get on people.

badboy
10-20-2009, 01:13 PM
Score! I have another guy on the bandwagon! Get on people. Do you agree he will move into first round if he does well @ combine or will he level in 2nd? Originally had him on my board in 3rd but the more I research this guy is gonna move up. I do not see this draft shaping up deep with bigger backs. Please share any info such as weaknesses if you will.

TimeKiller
10-20-2009, 01:21 PM
Here is the problem with moving Quinn to FS. Dunta should be gone next year and that means drafting a CB to start. Could happen but the best CBs will not be available when we draft.

I fully expect another 3rd/4th round CB with more physical attributes than mental. The secondary surely gets weaker without DRob but I think it's a little more managable than needing a 1st round CB.

I think one thing we agree on is that Quin has played himself onto the field. AND he doesn't look like he's about to give it up. I'm happy knowing the best players are playing.

beerlover
10-20-2009, 01:25 PM
Dunta has lost a step not his intincts which is why people continue to suggest a move to Safety.

infantrycak
10-20-2009, 01:40 PM
Dunta has lost a step not his intincts which is why people continue to suggest a move to Safety.

I'm not sure he has lost a step at all. He stride for stride matched OchoStinko on many occasions.

tedr
10-20-2009, 01:51 PM
A little help here everyone. I'm a huge Texans fan living in the Metroplex and I try to keep up with the lineup changes the best I can. Since this thread mentioned Quin, that led to several questions I've had, and I apologize if they sound too simple.

1) I hear a lot of talk about Quin. I know he doesn't start, but when does he come in and for whom, and how much is he on the field each game?

2) Is Zgonina starting, or is Cody?

3) Also, did Caldwell see the field at all last Sunday? If not, why not?

Thanks for taking the time to answer. As you all probably know, the Texans get no coverage up here, and the only way for me to keep up with things is online. Thanks again.

beerlover
10-20-2009, 01:52 PM
I'm not sure he has lost a step at all. He stride for stride matched OchoStinko on many occasions.

Ocho was able to pull away from Dunta in most match-ups. His catch & spin was tremedous & ability to create space a problem for Dunta all game (5-103).

infantrycak
10-20-2009, 01:59 PM
Ocho was able to pull away from Dunta in most match-ups. His catch & spin was tremedous & ability to create space a problem for Dunta all game (5-103).

Well but short space movement is another issue. I didn't note him pulling away with pure speed, he was creating in short space. Dunta has never had say Aaron Glenn's short space game.

rmartin65
10-20-2009, 02:15 PM
Do you agree he will move into first round if he does well @ combine or will he level in 2nd? Originally had him on my board in 3rd but the more I research this guy is gonna move up. I do not see this draft shaping up deep with bigger backs. Please share any info such as weaknesses if you will.

If he can run in the 4.4's, he is first round. That said, I doubt that he runs that fast. He is more quick than fast. He has great power and toughness. There is no way he drops past the second, and I think he will level around the 40th pick.

I see two weaknesses in his game. The first, as I mentioned earlier, is his speed. He does not really have that feature back speed. This is not a huge problem (at least, I dont see it as one) because he is strong and quick. He wont bust many 50 yard runs, but he wont get stopped behind the line many times either. The second is his hands. He is not asked to catch much at Stanford, and the Texans love little screens. I want to know if he can do that.

If the Texans are picking in the 20's, I would have not problem taking him. It may look like a reach now, and the draft pundits will kill us for it, but Gerhart can be the short yardage/power back the Texans need. And it helps Slaton get some rest.

badboy
10-20-2009, 04:48 PM
I fully expect another 3rd/4th round CB with more physical attributes than mental. The secondary surely gets weaker without DRob but I think it's a little more managable than needing a 1st round CB.

I think one thing we agree on is that Quin has played himself onto the field. AND he doesn't look like he's about to give it up. I'm happy knowing the best players are playing.TK we don't disagree on the draft order for a CB. On my board I have Jeremy Murphy S. Florida CB/FS/KR 6'1"185 4.48 in 3rd round barring any trades. As a back up I have Kyle Wilson Boise 5'10" 186 4.42. Just saying that if Dunta is allowed to depart and Quinn is moved to FS a first round CB would prob give you more oomph although still not a guarantee. THe Bengal game has me pondering my 14 th spot in next draft but I want a blow out at Francisco and a good win at Buffalo to lower my prediction.

badboy
10-20-2009, 04:58 PM
If he can run in the 4.4's, he is first round. That said, I doubt that he runs that fast. He is more quick than fast. He has great power and toughness. There is no way he drops past the second, and I think he will level around the 40th pick.

I see two weaknesses in his game. The first, as I mentioned earlier, is his speed. He does not really have that feature back speed. This is not a huge problem (at least, I dont see it as one) because he is strong and quick. He wont bust many 50 yard runs, but he wont get stopped behind the line many times either. The second is his hands. He is not asked to catch much at Stanford, and the Texans love little screens. I want to know if he can do that.

If the Texans are picking in the 20's, I would have not problem taking him. It may look like a reach now, and the draft pundits will kill us for it, but Gerhart can be the short yardage/power back the Texans need. And it helps Slaton get some rest.Did not know that about his hands, sort of a Shonn Green thing I guess. He has about 150-200yards receiving but avg about 9 yds a catch. I can live with that. I estimate his speed at combine will be about 5.0 which is good but may turn some teams off. Of course,anything can happen with any player including RB, but I sure like him so far. The killer is I don't see Kubes taking a back in first and he just may well be gone as you say. If we could take care of CB,FS and DT before draft that would really help free up a high pick.