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beerlover
10-19-2009, 12:43 AM
Ability to run the ball sets up play action which leds to a big time of pos. advantage 36:15-23:45 that keeps the defense fresh. special teams remain solid & Kubiak won a challenge. Texans win & things are looking up :specnatz:

Goatcheese
10-19-2009, 12:44 AM
Yes, you know you're rolling when Kubes wins a challenge. The stars are aligned, and good things are going to happen. :ahhaha:

Lucky
10-19-2009, 01:04 AM
Ability to run the ball sets up play action which leds to a big time of pos. advantage 36:15-23:45 that keeps the defense fresh.
That really doesn't describe what happened in this game. The Texans won the time of possession battle because a) they forced the Bengals to seven 3 (or less) and outs, and b) the passing game produced big YAC numbers. The running game is still hemorrhaging.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 01:26 AM
Ability to run the ball sets up play action which leds to a big time of pos. advantage 36:15-23:45 that keeps the defense fresh. special teams remain solid & Kubiak won a challenge. Texans win & things are looking up :specnatz:

Our ability to run this season will be determined by the effectiveness of our passing game. We did a good job of using screens and high percentage passes to slow the pass rush and set up some favorable running situations. But, we can't lineup and go at teams on the ground. The great thing about this game is the coaches have realized it and made some very good adjustments. I think the offense discovered its identity today.

utahmark
10-19-2009, 01:40 AM
Our ability to run this season will be determined by the effectiveness of our passing game. We did a good job of using screens and high percentage passes to slow the pass rush and set up some favorable running situations. But, we can't lineup and go at teams on the ground. The great thing about this game is the coaches have realized it and made some very good adjustments. I think the offense discovered its identity today.

a little dissapointed that it took them this long to realize it, glad they did though.

Speedy
10-19-2009, 01:52 AM
That really doesn't describe what happened in this game. The Texans won the time of possession battle because a) they forced the Bengals to seven 3 (or less) and outs, and b) the passing game produced big YAC numbers. The running game is still hemorrhaging.

I wouldn't say it's hemorrhaging. There's some signs of life with the run game. They averaged 4.2 yards a carry in the first half on 10 for 42. And though they only had 45 yards on 21 carries in the 2nd half, there was a 17 yard run, a 7 yard run and a 9 yard run that got called back on penalties. That would have put them well over 100 yards (120) for the day.

Yeah, I get that maybe you don't have those big gains without the penalties, but still, there are signs of life in the run game. And the run game really doesn't need to be all of that (except in the redzone) as long as it's enough to keep the aerial attack clicking like it does.

beerlover
10-19-2009, 09:38 AM
Time of Possession is all encompasing. It tends to reflect effective game management in all facets but specifically it points to improvement on the defensive side because they're not on the field all day, keeping them fresh & playing at higher speed/intensity.

Hemorrhaging? Is it really that surprising this offense is primarily a pass happy team with Andre Johnson the top WR in the NFL @ a QB guru/former QB head coach in Gary Kubiak? Really? There is no question the Texans have struggled running the ball, for a variety of reasons (digging a hole, game plan, blocking assingments, high expectations of Slaton, holding penalties) whatever it takes to win time of possession spreads over to defensive side.

The 49'ers are coming up next & they're fustrated with inability in passing game, rushing more than they throw (I'm sure they have been working on that during their bye week) but time of possession is close to even because they run effectively. If the Texans offense can stay on the field wear down their defense & rest our own Time of Possession is the key.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 09:50 AM
Time of Possession is all encompasing. It tends to reflect effective game management in all facets but specifically it points to improvement on the defensive side because they're not on the field all day, keeping them fresh & playing at higher speed/intensity.

Hemorrhaging? Is it really that surprising this offense is primarily a pass happy team with Andre Johnson the top WR in the NFL @ a QB guru/former QB head coach in Gary Kubiak? Really? There is no question the Texans have struggled running the ball, for a variety of reasons (digging a hole, game plan, blocking assingments, high expectations of Slaton, holding penalties) whatever it takes to win time of possession spreads over to defensive side.

The 49'ers are coming up next & they're fustrated with inability in passing game, rushing more than they throw (I'm sure they have been working on that during their bye week) but time of possession is close to even because they run effectively. If the Texans offense can stay on the field wear down their defense & rest our own Time of Possession is the key.

I actually think Time of Posession is a silly stat. Instead, we should be looking at number of offensive plays. It doesn't wear out a defense more to stand on the field as the 40 second clock clicks down to 1 second before a HB dive for 2 yards three times. On the other hand, NE had a 10 play drive for a TD before halftime that only took about 1:30 off the clock. Which scenario wears out the defense more.

Time of Posession is important for bad teams trying to upset good ones. The shorter the game (fewer plays), the better the odds they have to upset the good team. It's simply a matter of statistical probability. So, for us, Time of Posession isn't key. I just want our offense to sustain drives, convert on 3rd downs. And defensively, having 5 or 6 3 and outs every week is something I'd like to see continue as well.

beerlover
10-19-2009, 12:28 PM
I actually think Time of Posession is a silly stat. Instead, we should be looking at number of offensive plays. It doesn't wear out a defense more to stand on the field as the 40 second clock clicks down to 1 second before a HB dive for 2 yards three times. On the other hand, NE had a 10 play drive for a TD before halftime that only took about 1:30 off the clock. Which scenario wears out the defense more.

Time of Posession is important for bad teams trying to upset good ones. The shorter the game (fewer plays), the better the odds they have to upset the good team. It's simply a matter of statistical probability. So, for us, Time of Posession isn't key. I just want our offense to sustain drives, convert on 3rd downs. And defensively, having 5 or 6 3 and outs every week is something I'd like to see continue as well.

you hit on a point, maybe the Texans are not a good team, yet? seems logical when we face anyone right now, all I know is the defense plays better with more break between series.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 12:38 PM
you hit on a point, maybe the Texans are not a good team, yet? seems logical when we face anyone right now, all I know is the defense plays better with more break between series.

But the "breaks" have nothing to do with game time. Once again, you can have a series of 10 plays that takes less than 2 minutes of game time but it takes up 15 minutes or real time and nets points. Then, you can have a 3 and out that takes over 2 minutes of game time but only 3 minutes or real time with no points added on the board... What is better for the defense or the team as a whole?

beerlover
10-19-2009, 12:54 PM
But the "breaks" have nothing to do with game time. Once again, you can have a series of 10 plays that takes less than 2 minutes of game time but it takes up 15 minutes or real time and nets points. Then, you can have a 3 and out that takes over 2 minutes of game time but only 3 minutes or real time with no points added on the board... What is better for the defense or the team as a whole?

a defense that executes & limits it's own time should increase time of possession for their own offense, an offense that executes & sustains their drives should win the game, maybe not always cause there is the almighty turnover or game changing moment. In all three wins this season the Texans have won the time of possession, the one blemish @ Arizona & the difference being Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 49 Yd Interception Return that took about 6 sec. so yes that does skew the numbers but taken in context it is an important trend to keep an eye on :)

Texans_Chick
10-19-2009, 02:59 PM
That really doesn't describe what happened in this game. The Texans won the time of possession battle because a) they forced the Bengals to seven 3 (or less) and outs, and b) the passing game produced big YAC numbers. The running game is still hemorrhaging.

Interestingly, the best series they had in the first half, they had very very nice positive runs in them. [+6, +5, +8 (up the middle no less), +5, +1, +4, +12 (also up the middle), +1, -1]. Nothing enormous and flashy, but enough to make the offense work. Made Bengals have to respect the run. The worst series in the first half they didn't even attempt to run.

In the second half, they also had some nice runs when they called them but they had a number of penalties that made them come back. It was the receivers/TEs getting busted--not the line.

Usually, it is the huge positive plays that make big average yards. But really, what this offense needs is just basic positive yards from the running game to keep defenses honest--it really did open up play action.

The Texans have had very big time of possession just with their offense on the field in the past. With the defensive stops (and the Bengals shooting themselves in the foot), the time of possession became mammoth.

The thing that encourages me about the Bengal game is that I think that this group of players if they stay relatively healthy has the prospect of playing even better than that game. They made a ton of mistakes, that this time they didn't pay for. But mistakes happen in just about every game, except to the Patriots when they are playing the Oiler-uni'd Titans in a snow storm.

76Texan
10-19-2009, 04:27 PM
TOP and the number of plays tie together to a good degree.
IMO, when two teams having about the same level of talent meet, the key is who wants it more on that day and luck.

We made our own breaks today, so that part is hardly luck.
But we caught them feeling the injury blues.

We missed a few players ourselves in this game; and we missed others earlier on in the season. But the Bengals had it worse in this one.

First, Andre Smith was supposed to be their RT, but he wasn't able to play.
Then Collins, the guy who earned the starting spot was injured and didn't play either.
He's a second yr guy who had spot duties last yr due to injury.

They started the game without their starting SS R.Williams, and the guy who replaced him was nursing a hamstring.

Tank Johnson has a foot injury and didn't start the game.
The other DT, Peko, was hurt during our first offensive series and did not return.
Then they lost their leading pass rusher Odom late in the first qtr.
That's 3/4 of their D-line.

I knew right there that we were going to win the game, or the offense should be feathered and tarred and ran out of town for real! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

beerlover
10-20-2009, 02:56 AM
As I've said, we have to continue to push our running game. Like I said, thirty carries yesterday—forty throws. There is some balance there even though yardage wise, it was all on the passing end. It just does something for your team. What it does, to me, is its time of possession. I think we've come out of the game winning the time of possession by quite a bit. We just need to keep working on it, keep pushing. We did it a little bit different yesterday in what we normally do, as far as some of the things we did in the running game. Obviously, the big plays Steve made in the pass game were big in the game."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5709

TheRealJoker
10-20-2009, 11:10 AM
Against teams without a high powered offense its more important to have a large number of plays and keep the defense working even if it doesn't take a lot of time off the game clock to make their defense tired to increase the opportunity to create big plays and score enough points where their offense cant catch up.

But

Against a team with a high powered offense its more important to drain the game clock even if its not a high number of plays so that the opposing offense has less opportunities to score.

Ideally you can do what the Dolphins did against the Colts (drain the clock with a high number of 4-5 yard running plays) but have your defense step up and stop the offense enough times so that they dont score 27 points in less than a quarter of TOP.