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TexansFanatic
10-18-2009, 03:14 PM
If the Texans are now on their way to a winning record to finish out the 2009 season, one would have to point to halftime of the game in Arizona as the turning point.

Minus the atrocious goal line fiasco last week, the last six quarters have been money.

Have the Texans finally turned the corner?

Goatcheese
10-18-2009, 03:15 PM
Don't try to find the corner which has been turned. Instead, try only to realize the truth.

There is no corner. :)

DiehardChris
10-18-2009, 03:16 PM
Did they turn a corner after they beat the Titans in week 2? No.

Let's see them get some consistency before we start this kind of talk. A win against the 49ers would be a good start. A good START.

rollinstone18
10-18-2009, 03:17 PM
just enjoy the win.

Goatcheese
10-18-2009, 03:18 PM
Did they turn a corner after they beat the Titans in week 2? No.

Let's see them get some consistency before we start this kind of talk. A win against the 49ers would be a good start. A good START.

Loss
Win
Loss
Win
Loss
Win

I see a lot of consistency.

GP
10-18-2009, 03:18 PM
Don't try to find the corner which has been turned. Instead, try only to realize the truth.

There is no corner. :)

That damn sure is the case on on our team.

And I'm talking about our secondary problems.

UK_Texan
10-18-2009, 03:18 PM
i think by talking about turning the corner we will shoot ourselves in the foot as always happens

what i would like to say is that maybe we are finally stepping up to our potential. With players like rookie cushing nearly new rookie slaton and the beast that is AJ leading the way. Add to that a healthy QB who is throwing 400+yards a game then im happy

TexansFanatic
10-18-2009, 03:18 PM
Don't try to find the corner which has been turned. Instead, try only to realize the truth.

There is no corner. :)

There is no spoon!!!

Outstanding!

Dan B.
10-18-2009, 03:19 PM
They haven't proven anything yet.

Texans_Chick
10-18-2009, 03:22 PM
For most teams in the league, there is no corner. Sometimes you get breaks, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you make your breaks, sometimes you don't.

It's hard to keep the good parts of your team good while improving the bad parts. There are very few teams that play dominant football all the time.

Malloy
10-18-2009, 03:22 PM
Hell is freezing over!

And Carr just scored a TD... wierd evening :)

GNTLEWOLF
10-18-2009, 03:22 PM
I don't yet believe any corner has been turned, but I am proud of the fact that we won and we looked like a real professional football team while doing it. I have been very disappointed in that the Texans really hadn't beat anybody with a winning record all season. Well, now they finally have. It feels good. I just hope this team takes this with them and learns to build on this victory. :smiliedance:

Ryan
10-18-2009, 03:23 PM
Our first good win of the season, but we have to put some more together. Maybe winning 5 in a row would mean we turned the corner.

WesmanTexanfan
10-18-2009, 03:24 PM
There is no corner, only plays, and our D played all of them today(well.....most)

GNTLEWOLF
10-18-2009, 03:25 PM
Oh Yeah....one more thing...Cushing is a beast!

Hooston Texan
10-18-2009, 03:26 PM
Hell is freezing over!

And Carr just scored a TD... wierd evening :)

Carr scored a TD . . . when trailing by 28 in the fourth quarter. That's hardly unusual. He's showing that, three years and two teams later, he hasn't lost his ability to pile up stats at the wrong end of blowouts. We don't call garbage time yards "Carr yards" for nothing.

Wolf
10-18-2009, 03:28 PM
well this is Kubiaks 4th season, if he continues to turn the corner, that makes a square, so in essence we are basically going in a circle if he turns another one

:joker:

Carr Bombed
10-18-2009, 03:29 PM
No and I'm getting tired of that question and the "is this the Texans' biggest win in franchise history" question that pops up every so often.

Turning the corner for this team is putting up a winning season and their biggest win in franchise history will be when they win a game that'll give them a winning season or put them in the playoffs.

barrett
10-18-2009, 03:31 PM
There is a corner. We turned it in the Rosencopter game last year. It when we decided we were tired of loosing and weren't going to quit. It's when we decided to not be happy with ugly wins. We decided not to give up when we blew big leads.

You aren't seeing us turning a corner in games like today. You're seeing the results of a corner that has already been turned.

TimeKiller
10-18-2009, 03:33 PM
As long as we turned a corner that doesn't immediately have another corner to turn after it.

If this was the first of a 5 game win streak, yes it would be turning the corner but we won't know for another 5 weeks....

Goatcheese
10-18-2009, 03:36 PM
If we turn anymore corners we'll lose all our momentum and slow down. :specnatz:

New_Texans
10-18-2009, 03:37 PM
give me this kind of consistent play all season long then..yeah...perhaps

Texans Pride
10-18-2009, 03:38 PM
well this is Kubiaks 4th season, if he continues to turn the corner, that makes a square, so in essence we are basically going in a circle if he turns another one

:joker:


Huh? Circles and squares, circles and squares. . . .What am I missing here Wolf?

Carr Bombed
10-18-2009, 03:38 PM
There is a corner. We turned it in the Rosencopter game last year. It when we decided we were tired of loosing and weren't going to quit. It's when we decided to not be happy with ugly wins. We decided not to give up when we blew big leads.

You aren't seeing us turning a corner in games like today. You're seeing the results of a corner that has already been turned.

We were 8-8 in 07, a year before that rosencopter game, a record we did not improve on after that rosencopter game.

There was NO corner turned in that game....that game was just another game where Houston was able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If you think that was a corner turning game, you really need to raise your standards. (Also if that was when we turned the corner, they wouldn't of lost to Oakland the way they did that year) This team is standing on the corner....they've been standing on that corner for 2 years now. Until they get over the 8-8 hump, they'll still be stuck on that corner.

HoustonFrog
10-18-2009, 03:41 PM
And it is bipolar time again. These threads must stop.

barrett
10-18-2009, 03:43 PM
I couldn't disagree more. After that game they very easily could have folded and mailed it in for another few years but they immediately regrouped and said that they would continue to fight for Kubiak. Those kinds of things are hard to measure in the next games performance or the next 3 or 4 games. It's about believing in yourself as a unit and I think that really started to happen then.

Take the Lions. You're talking about a loosing attitude. You have to get rid of that culture of loosing and it's started here and I sight that game as a point that it happened.

Goatcheese
10-18-2009, 03:44 PM
We were 8-8 in 07, a year before that rosencopter game, a record we did not improve on after that rosencopter game.

There was NO corner turned in that game....that game was just another game where Houston was able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If you think that was a corner turning game, you really need to raise your standards. (Also if that was when we turned the corner, they wouldn't of lost to Oakland the way they did that year) This team is standing on the corner....they've been standing on that corner for 2 years now. Until they get over the 8-8 hump, they'll still be stuck on that corner.

Well, we are 11 and 7 since that game.

Malloy
10-18-2009, 03:46 PM
Jekylls Texans :)

TexansFanatic
10-18-2009, 03:46 PM
If the Texans win at home next week against San Francisco and then again in two weeks against the Bills on the road, they will be 5-3 at the midway point of the season.

And if my aunt had stones she'd be my uncle, right?

Wolf
10-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Huh? Circles and squares, circles and squares. . . .What am I missing here Wolf?

I should have just quoted the movie

trapped in paradise

Bill Firpo: Which direction are we going?
Alvin Firpo: North.
Bill Firpo: Are you sure? I thought we passed that farmhouse earlier.
Dave Firpo: No, those farmhouses all look alike...
Bill Firpo: Alvin, if we're going in circles, I'm going to break your neck.
Alvin Firpo: We're not. I took four lefts, just like the map said.
Bill Firpo: FOUR LEFTS IS A CIRCLE, YOU Id10t.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111477/quotes

we seem to turn the corner every season and this is the forth season for kubiak :tease:

Carr Bombed
10-18-2009, 03:48 PM
I couldn't disagree more. After that game they very easily could have folded and mailed it in for another few years but they immediately regrouped and said that they would continue to fight for Kubiak. Those kinds of things are hard to measure in the next games performance or the next 3 or 4 games. It's about believing in yourself as a unit and I think that really started to happen then.

Take the Lions. You're talking about a loosing attitude. You have to get rid of that culture of loosing and it's started here and I sight that game as a point that it happened.

As far as "attitude changing" games go.....I'd put our first victory over the Colts (in '06) that helped us reach the first non losing season, well above the Rosencopter game. That game was one of the worst games in franchise history..(followed up by a loss to Oakland in the that season) hardly a corner turner.

Sorry, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

False Start
10-18-2009, 03:49 PM
I'm not gonna say we've turned the corner, but we have have the turn signal on, just blinking and blinking waiting to turn.

The way this team plays I try and not get too excited, I just wait and see the next week.

Dan B.
10-18-2009, 03:50 PM
Can I just say (and it is nothing personal against anyone here) that I hate the phrase "turning the corner." Well I'm going to say it anyway.

It's not turnING the corner. It's turnED. Past tense. You don't see a team turn the corner at the time. You see it in retrospect. All of this is just guessing. They will not turn any corner until the season is over and they are in the playoff race. Then you can look back and ask where the corner was turned. Until then who the hell knows what we are going to get next week. I wouldn't be shocked if we beat SF by ten points. I also wouldn't be stunned if we lose by 20. This team is a gambler's worst nightmare. They are completely erratic. Consistently inconsistent. Reliably unreliable. The same thing they have been for a while.

Carr Bombed
10-18-2009, 03:53 PM
Well, we are 11 and 7 since that game.

And we're still .500.... and we're still having letdown losses every other week... and so on and so on. Turning a corner doesn't involve .500 ball....that's what we are right now.

TexansFanatic
10-18-2009, 03:55 PM
You don't see a team turn the corner at the time. You see it in retrospect. All of this is just guessing.

Exactly right. Couldn't agree more.

And that's why my original post is really just asking for a guess.

If the Texans wind up making the playoffs this year, wouldn't you have to agree that the "corner" was halftime of the loss to the Cardinals?

Jackie Chiles
10-18-2009, 03:57 PM
Exactly right. Couldn't agree more.

And that's why my original post is really just asking for a guess.

If the Texans wind up making the playoffs this year, wouldn't you have to agree that the "corner" was halftime of the loss to the Cardinals?

Not if we lose our next two games and then win out. Way too many variables to try and pinpoint something so obscure. Lets just let them play and see where they wind up at when its all said and done.

mussop
10-18-2009, 03:58 PM
Glad to see this board for the most part, keeping it real.

utahmark
10-18-2009, 04:03 PM
we are improving. this year our offense is still going strong and now our defense is actually coming around. i think at this point you have to be happy the way the team looks. we let a couple of close ones get away but we are playing the best football the texans have ever played.

if i'm evaluating Gary Kubiak I have to say that his team has steadily improved since he got here. Even used the challenge perfectly today.

nero THE zero
10-18-2009, 04:03 PM
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TexansFanatic
10-18-2009, 04:07 PM
if i'm evaluating Gary Kubiak I have to say that his team has steadily improved since he got here. Even used the challenge perfectly today.

Right. I'd hate to see Kubiak get fired after this. They've come a LONG way from 2-14.

ObsiWan
10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
thread paused.
Do not restart until we've won four straight. And are playing for a playoff spot in Nov/Dec...
THEN we can start talking about turning corners.

barrett
10-18-2009, 04:24 PM
As far as "attitude changing" games go.....I'd put our first victory over the Colts (in '06) that helped us reach the first non losing season, well above the Rosencopter game. That game was one of the worst games in franchise history..(followed up by a loss to Oakland in the that season) hardly a corner turner.

Sorry, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Again, It's not that we turned around and started dominating teams the next week. It's how the team responded mentally after that game that I haven't seen change and I never saw before that game.

They all got up and said "we're better than this." I recognize that they didn't win the next game. All the more reason I believe it was a turning point. They could have packed it in after loosing a game like that and then turning around and getting beat the very next week... but they didn't. They got up and dusted themselves off and kept working, kept fighting and slowly you're seeing it taking place. You're seeing them play like assholes in the first half of some games (tacks and cards) and come back at the half pissed and dominate for the most part. It's a mentality that exists within this team that when they want to they can out play the opponent.

They are so frustrating to watch because they don't always do it but they clearly believe that they are capable of doing it and the fact is that they are capable of doing it.

barrett
10-18-2009, 04:27 PM
thread paused.
Do not restart until we've won four straight. And are playing for a playoff spot in Nov/Dec...
THEN we can start talking about turning corners.

I've talked about this before. I think the team has turned a corner. It's not the one that has us playing for a playoff spot in Nov/Dec. But it's still a corner turned. And it didn't happen today. It happened last year.

DerekLee1
10-18-2009, 04:43 PM
Have the Texans finally turned the corner?

Only time will tell. But it's an awfully LOOOOOOOOOOOONG corner.

ATXtexanfan
10-18-2009, 05:01 PM
thread paused.
Do not restart until we've won four straight. And are playing for a playoff spot in Nov/Dec...
THEN we can start talking about turning corners.

well said, that corner ends in indi

sometexansfan
10-18-2009, 05:24 PM
thread paused.
Do not restart until we've won four straight. And are playing for a playoff spot in Nov/Dec...
THEN we can start talking about turning corners.
Exactly

ArlingtonTexan
10-18-2009, 08:07 PM
The issue for the Texans is not playing a good game...it is playing multiple good games in a row. They won't turn the corner until we see them run off a winning streak before Nov. If they are a real threat to make the playoffs running off victories over the Bengals, 49ers and Bills needs to happen. we have completed step one.

Vinny
10-18-2009, 08:10 PM
The issue for the Texans is not playing a good game...it is playing multiple good games in a row. They won't turn the corner until we see them run off a winning streak before Nov. If they are a real threat to make the playoffs running off victories over the Bengals, 49ers and Bills needs to happen. we have completed step one.

yep, we haven't turned the corner, we are in the turn currently. Looks like we may not fall over this time...not that there is anything wrong with that.

TexCanada
10-18-2009, 08:16 PM
I we lose to SF next week then we are back where we started...same with the Bills after that. If this is a playoff team then we need to build off of this win and win the next 2. We played great but we need to play even better next week. Go Texans.

Mailman
10-18-2009, 08:38 PM
Until the Texans reel off a winning streak of three or more games and start winning those meaningful division games, we cannot claim any corners conquered. However, in the short term I do think we can say the Texans have made important steps in the right direction on the defensive side of the football. Not only are the Texans defenders playing aggressive, attacking football, they are now getting off the field on third downs, something they couldn't do in the first few weeks of the season.

This is a positive sign. Can they keep it up? I think they can.

TexansFanatic
10-18-2009, 08:39 PM
The issue for the Texans is not playing a good game...it is playing multiple good games in a row. They won't turn the corner until we see them run off a winning streak before Nov. If they are a real threat to make the playoffs running off victories over the Bengals, 49ers and Bills needs to happen. we have completed step one.

Excellent. Exactly right.

RagingBull
10-18-2009, 09:20 PM
You can never see the corner while you are turning it, only after you have passed it by a good margin. We are still turning but haven't seen the end where it gets straight.

axman40
10-18-2009, 09:44 PM
If you turn too many corners ,you end at where you begin.
:rake:

Hookem Horns
10-18-2009, 10:36 PM
To me we are still not a confident team. I don't like what the offense was doing during those last 2 drives before the "take a knee" drive. A real good team would have closed that game out on that drive that Slaton fumbled and would have won 35-17. Instead we get called for holding near the goal line, get backed up, and then turn the ball over. The following drive we don't go try to put the game out of reach. We simply play it safe by keeping the ball on the ground and then punt, giving the Bengals another shot to do something on offense.

Fortunately we drafted a guy named Brian Cushing who took it upon himself to close out the Bengals.

maddogmrb
10-18-2009, 10:37 PM
Don't try to find the corner which has been turned. Instead, try only to realize the truth.

There is no corner. :)

Oh no! Now they'll NEVER turn the corner... :gun:

MEGA SWATT
10-18-2009, 10:41 PM
No. They need to prove that they can play at this level consistently.

good win though.

MannyFresh
10-18-2009, 11:15 PM
L, W, L, W, L, W , what will be next? Lets hope they turn the corner and not the letter again.

Norg
10-18-2009, 11:45 PM
yeah we turned the corner

the corner of a Maze :shades:

and we cant seem to find our way out LOL

Mr. White
10-19-2009, 08:09 AM
This is the first game this season that the offense, defense and special teams have finally played for 4 quarters.

If that's "the corner," then I guess we turned it. To me, we just did what we were supposed to do.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 08:38 AM
To me we are still not a confident team. I don't like what the offense was doing during those last 2 drives before the "take a knee" drive. A real good team would have closed that game out on that drive that Slaton fumbled and would have won 35-17. Instead we get called for holding near the goal line, get backed up, and then turn the ball over. The following drive we don't go try to put the game out of reach. We simply play it safe by keeping the ball on the ground and then punt, giving the Bengals another shot to do something on offense.

Fortunately we drafted a guy named Brian Cushing who took it upon himself to close out the Bengals.



I think Kubiak is in turmoil right now. He has finally realized and accepted that this is a throwing team and that the running game will be successful on the back of the passing game. But, in crucial situations, he still wants to revert to how things should be on offense. It's a frustrating process but I think the coaches are learning the identity of this team. I expect we'll start seeing more aggression in those situations in the coming weeks.

SICLICK
10-19-2009, 08:58 AM
If they win the next game Id say they turned the corner. Until then my answer is ........No.

Second Honeymoon
10-19-2009, 09:17 AM
they are turning the corner but have not turned the corner.

lets put a 3 game winning streak together this weekend against San Fran, and we will talk turkey.

in addition, if the Ravens, Bengals, Jets, and Dolphins continue to have average seasons, the Texans could find themselves in the playoff hunt even after such a disastrous beginning of the season and after the goal line failures of Chris Brown costing us 13% of our season.

Texan_Bill
10-19-2009, 09:19 AM
Have The Texans FINALLY Turned The Corner

No. They have about 4 to 5 more games of consistent football to play. They accomplish that, then I would say..................... maybe.

badboy
10-19-2009, 09:52 AM
I think Kubiak is in turmoil right now. He has finally realized and accepted that this is a throwing team and that the running game will be successful on the back of the passing game. But, in crucial situations, he still wants to revert to how things should be on offense. It's a frustrating process but I think the coaches are learning the identity of this team. I expect we'll start seeing more aggression in those situations in the coming weeks.Glad I read each page of thread rather than just documenting my thoughts. DM, I was going to post just what you did. In the NFL most coaches have a run first throw 2nd mentallity, especially when 3 things can happen when you pass & 2 are bad. (Darryl Royal UT coach, I believe). I agree with that philosophy until it doesn't work. Seems as if Kubes has changed but my fear is he will revert. Hopefully he will look at our rushing avg 2.8 & stick with the plan developed for Bengals.

Second Honeymoon
10-19-2009, 09:53 AM
No. They have about 4 to 5 more games of consistent football to play. They accomplish that, then I would say..................... maybe.

I hope we have more than 4 to 5 to play to turn corner. 4 more would only be 7-9.

We should be favored in all but 3 of the remaining games if you ask me. I will favor the Colts twice and the Pats against us. Last week I would have said the Seahawks but they looked like warmed over diarrhea yesterday against Zona in Seattle.

HOU-TEX
10-19-2009, 09:57 AM
For all the "corners" we've turned you'd think we're a NASCAR driver.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 10:00 AM
For all the "corners" we've turned you'd think we're a NASCAR driver.

The biggest corner in franchise history was turned when Fred Bennett was shown the bench! Now that is the kind of move that can change the fortunes of a franchise...

and, I'm only slightly exaggerating.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 10:03 AM
I hope we have more than 4 to 5 to play to turn corner. 4 more would only be 7-9.

We should be favored in all but 3 of the remaining games if you ask me. I will favor the Colts twice and the Pats against us. Last week I would have said the Seahawks but they looked like warmed over diarrhea yesterday against Zona in Seattle.


SH, I like our chances in every game other than at Indy and NE (dependent on circumstances)... however, we will likely be underdogs At Miami. That being said, I love our matchup versus Miami because they have a suspect secondary, lack a great pass rush, and are a run-dominate team. And, we can't be run on anymore!!!

HOU-TEX
10-19-2009, 10:04 AM
The biggest corner in franchise history was turned when Fred Bennett was shown the bench! Now that is the kind of move that can change the fortunes of a franchise...

and, I'm only slightly exaggerating.

Yes, I most definitely agree with that move.

HoustonFrog
10-19-2009, 10:20 AM
A corner gets turned with a franchise or a team when they are in the late season and the playoffs isn't just a hope or pipe dream if 30 scenarios work out but something you can lose or win. If you are in the mix and every week counts in you losing a spot, then you turned a corner. If you are making late season runs that look good on paper and there is a 5% chance, then no. Depends on where you are coming from too. Look at those 90s Dallas teams. After 1-15 they went 7-9. They actually had an outside shot at the playoffs that year if they just had won 2 more games. While that was in a way turning the corner coming off 1-15, they really turned it when they went 11-5 in the next year and made the playoffs and won a playoff game. Then the stage was set and expectations in order.

dalemurphy
10-19-2009, 10:30 AM
A corner gets turned with a franchise or a team when they are in the late season and the playoffs isn't just a hope or pipe dream if 30 scenarios work out but something you can lose or win. If you are in the mix and every week counts in you losing a spot, then you turned a corner. If you are making late season runs that look good on paper and there is a 5% chance, then no. Depends on where you are coming from too. Look at those 90s Dallas teams. After 1-15 they went 7-9. They actually had an outside shot at the playoffs that year if they just had won 2 more games. While that was in a way turning the corner coming off 1-15, they really turned it when they went 11-5 in the next year and made the playoffs and won a playoff game. Then the stage was set and expectations in order.

Frog, we are in the midst of our 11-5 season. That's why we are excited. You just aren't seeing the future as clearly as I am.

HoustonFrog
10-19-2009, 10:42 AM
Frog, we are in the midst of our 11-5 season. That's why we are excited. You just aren't seeing the future as clearly as I am.

Could be...but that is my point. When the nerves set in and they get to say an 8-4 and the last 4 games mean making it or losing it...then the corner is turned. Sitting right now at .500 when you lose a game, win a game, lose a game.............isn't turning .