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Goatcheese
10-14-2009, 09:12 PM
Some perspective (http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=13&numgames=1) on where we stand at corner.

Jacques Reeves
Games: 1 game played
Thrown at: 5
Receptions: 2
Completion%: 40
Yards: 30
Yards per Game: 30
Yards per reception: 15.0
Yards per Attempt: 6.0
Yards after catch: 17
Long: 18
TDs surrendered: 0
INTs: 0
Passes defensed: 2
NFL QB rating against: 60.4

Solid game from our best corner. Definitely nice to have him back.

Dunta Robinson
Games: 5 starts
Thrown at: 21
Receptions: 12
Completion%: 57.1
Yards: 169
Yards per Game: 33.8
Yards per reception: 14.1
Yards per attempt: 8.0
Yards after catch: 65
Long: 27 yards
TDs surrendered: 1
INTs: 0
Passes defensed: 3
NFL QB rating against: 99.1

After a bad start he has been playing better. He cheated himself and the team by missing camp and preseason, and it showed early in the season. Hopefully he continues his upward trend and solidifies the RCB spot opposite Reeves.

Fred Bennett
Games: 4 games played, 3 starts
Thrown at: 20
Receptions: 14
Completion%: 70
Yards: 142
Yards per Game: 35.5
Yards per reception: 10.1
Yard per attempt: 7.1
Yards after catch: 42
Long: 19
TDs surrendered: 1
INTS: 0
Passes defensed: 1
NFL QB rating against: 106.7

If he could tackle he wouldn't be terrible.

Glover Quin
Games: 5 games played, 2 starts
Thrown at: 20
Receptions: 13
Completion%: 65
Yards: 171
Yards per Game: 34.2
Yards per reception: 13.2
Yards per attempt: 8.5
Yards after catch: 34
Long: 22
TDs surrendered: 0
INTs: 0
Passes defensed: 1
NFL QB rating against: 91.9

Bennett, but can tackle.

Brice McCain
Games: 5 games played
Thrown at: 7
Receptions: 6
Completion%: 85.7
Yards: 85
Yards per Game: 17
Yards per reception: 14.2
Yards per attempt: 12.1
Yards after catch: 23
Long: 23
TDs surrendered: 1
INTs: 0
Passes defensed: 0
NFL QB rating against: 156.8

:choke:

For comparison, our opponents next week:

Johnathan Joseph
Games: 5 starts
Thrown at: 31
Receptions: 19
Completion%: 61.3
Yards: 279 :roast:
Yards per Game: 55.8
Yards per reception: 14.7
Yards per attempt: 9
Yards after catch: 74
Long: 51
TDs surrendered: 0
INTs: 3
Passes defensed: 1
NFL QB rating against: 51.1

I see 'dre having a big day against this guy. Just be careful trying to fit it into tight coverage.

Leon Hall
Games: 5 starts
Thrown at: 24
Receptions: 13
Completion%: 54.2
Yards: 151
Yards per Game: 30.2
Yards per reception: 11.6
Yards per attempt: 6.3
Yards after catch: 47
Long: 24
TDs surrendered: 0
INTs: 1
Passes defensed: 3
NFL QB rating against: 56.1

TexansSeminole
10-14-2009, 09:42 PM
Good stuff.

Could you post the best and worst stats from around the league? Maybe add big name guys (Asomoghua, Cromartie, Bailey, Revis, Samuel) in there too if they aren't among the best?

Goatcheese
10-14-2009, 09:59 PM
Good stuff.

Could you post the best and worst stats from around the league? Maybe add big name guys (Asomoghua, Cromartie, Bailey, Revis, Samuel) in there too if they aren't among the best?

They haven't graded all 5 games yet so the numbers won't be equal.

Darrelle Revis
Games: 4 starts(doesn't include game 5)
Thrown at: 26
Receptions: 11
Completion%: 42.3
Yards: 109
Yards per Game: 27.3
Yards per reception: 9.9
Yards per attempt: 4.2
Yards after catch: 47
Long: 27
TDs: 0
INTs: 1
Passes defensed: 4
NFL QB rating against: 38.8

Nnamdi Asomugha
Games: 4 starts(doesn't include game 5)
Thrown at: 5
Receptions: 5
Completion%: 100
Yards: 43
Yards per game: 10.8
Yards per reception: 8.6
Yards per attempt: 8.6
Yarda after catch: 21
Long: 17
TDs: 1
INTs: 0
Passes defensed: 0
NFL QB rating against: 142.1

Only thrown at 1.25 times per game. Nobody wants to challenge this guy.

Champ Bailey
Games: 4 starts (doesn't include game 5)
Thrown at: 28
Receptions: 14
Completion%: 50.0
Yards: 146
Yards per game: 36.5
Yards per receptions: 10.4
Yards per attempt: 5.2
Yards after catch: 43
Long: 34
TDs: 0
INTs: 1
Passes defensed: 5
NFL QB rating against: 50.6

TheRealJoker
10-14-2009, 10:11 PM
Awesome website. Also shows that behind every good CB is a good safety (and pass rush).

Goatcheese
10-14-2009, 10:32 PM
Awesome website. Also shows that behind every good CB is a good safety (and pass rush).

It's a great site for stats, but I'm not a fan of their grading system.

It's one of the few places you can find important O-line and DB stats for free. It's nice to know that while Brown has given up more sacks than Winston(3 vs 2), he's not letting defenders disrupt Schaub's throws the way Winston does(QB hits 5 v 4, QB pressures 0 vs 9).

Okoye gets knocked for being pushed around but is near the top of the league in important categories like stops and QB pressures.

TexCanada
10-14-2009, 10:49 PM
While this shows a lot, CB is one of those positions that stats just don't capture the whole picture. Asoumagha is giving up a 100% completion percentage...but he has only been thrown at 5 times in 4 games. Really cool to see the stats though, great post.

pbat488
10-15-2009, 12:17 AM
That's unreal that in four games Asomugha has only been thrown to five times. I realize how bad their rush defense is so teams don't have to throw a whole lot to him, but wow. I wonder what the numbers are for his opposite, Johnson I believe it was?

infantrycak
10-15-2009, 12:17 AM
While this shows a lot, CB is one of those positions that stats just don't capture the whole picture.

Exactly - CB is probably the worst position in football to try to stat evaluate.

A stat I would like to see is what percentage of passes thrown against a D while each DB is on the field are thrown against that DB.

Goatcheese
10-15-2009, 12:22 AM
http://profootballfocus.com/gstats.php?tab=by_week&season=2009&gameid=1467&teamid=13&stats=v&playerid=

Here is probably my favorite feature on the site. It gives you a break down of who was making those receptions.

Week 5 vs Az D-Rob only allowed 2 receptions, both to Fitz. One of them IMO should have been an offensive penalty, and the other he could have broken up but he lost his footing on the grass.

Compare that to Quin who got torched on 5 of 8 for 72 yards by Bolden, Urban and Breston. :roast:

Goatcheese
10-15-2009, 12:41 AM
A stat I would like to see is what percentage of passes thrown against a D while each DB is on the field are thrown against that DB.

They track who was in, and on what play, but don't tie it in to who made the play. You can match it up though.

For example:

Here is Week 5's play by play player participation: http://profootballfocus.com/pstats.php?gameid=1467

1st quarter, 4:30, 2nd and 1
RCB: Dunta Robinson
LCB: Glover Quin
FS: Eugene Wilson
SS: Bernard Pollard


And the play by play from NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009101109/2009/REG5/texans@cardinals/analyze/box-score#analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

2-1-HOU 46 (4:30) 13-K.Warner pass short left to 11-L.Fitzgerald to HST 23 for 23 yards (23-D.Robinson).

infantrycak
10-15-2009, 12:51 AM
http://profootballfocus.com/gstats.php?tab=by_week&season=2009&gameid=1467&teamid=13&stats=v&playerid=

Here is probably my favorite feature on the site. It gives you a break down of who was making those receptions.

That is interesting. And just back from injury, much maligned, Reeves allowed 2 completions on 5 targets - best rate on the team.

They track who was in, and on what play, but don't tie it in to who made the play. You can match it up though.

Man that is a lot of work over a season. I remember back when Deion was in his prime and one commentator said something about Deion having an off-season because his stats were so low. The other guy says well they have only thrown at him 7 times all year and he has picked off 4 - would you throw at the guy? Sometimes a ball thrown to another WR is a victory all by itself and it is hard to track that stat.

New_Texans
10-15-2009, 12:57 AM
QB rating against numbers are kinda telling as well.

Goatcheese
10-15-2009, 04:19 AM
While we're on the subject of coverage, why is Cushing playing in the Nickel package? Diles was on the field just 38%(64% on the season) of the snaps vs Cushing's 100%(92% on the season) against a pass oriented offense, even though he is better and more experienced in coverage.

Diles thrown at 5 times, 3 receptions for 9 yards
Cushing thrown at 16 times, 11 receptions for 92 yards

That's a huge difference in performance, yet we're still not putting our best personnel on the field for the situations we're in.

Everyone who watched USC football knew Cushing was not a plus linebacker in coverage, so why are the Texans trying to jam a square peg in a round hole, just because he was drafted 15th?

gtexan02
10-15-2009, 08:50 AM
While we're on the subject of coverage, why is Cushing playing in the Nickel package? Diles was on the field just 38%(64% on the season) of the snaps vs Cushing's 100%(92% on the season) against a pass oriented offense, even though he is better and more experienced in coverage.

Diles thrown at 5 times, 3 receptions for 9 yards
Cushing thrown at 16 times, 11 receptions for 92 yards

That's a huge difference in performance, yet we're still not putting our best personnel on the field for the situations we're in.

Everyone who watched USC football knew Cushing was not a plus linebacker in coverage, so why are the Texans trying to jam a square peg in a round hole, just because he was drafted 15th?

Arizona plays out of the nickel a lot, using Bolding/Fitz/Breaston on almost every snap. My guess is that they run with 3 WRs in, so our team wanted to keep our two best linebackers in as much as possible

gtexan02
10-15-2009, 08:51 AM
Everyone keeps saying that stats don't paint a good picture of how well a corner is playing, but when you can see completion percentage against, how many times the ball is thrown at them, and what the QB rating is against them, how could their be a better picture?

TimeKiller
10-15-2009, 09:51 AM
While we're on the subject of coverage, why is Cushing playing in the Nickel package? Diles was on the field just 38%(64% on the season) of the snaps vs Cushing's 100%(92% on the season) against a pass oriented offense, even though he is better and more experienced in coverage.

Diles thrown at 5 times, 3 receptions for 9 yards
Cushing thrown at 16 times, 11 receptions for 92 yards

That's a huge difference in performance, yet we're still not putting our best personnel on the field for the situations we're in.

Everyone who watched USC football knew Cushing was not a plus linebacker in coverage, so why are the Texans trying to jam a square peg in a round hole, just because he was drafted 15th?

I'll give you that Cushing may not be the best coverage guy but c'mon...Diles isn't either.

infantrycak
10-15-2009, 10:40 AM
Everyone keeps saying that stats don't paint a good picture of how well a corner is playing, but when you can see completion percentage against, how many times the ball is thrown at them, and what the QB rating is against them, how could their be a better picture?

Look at it this way. Typical NFL season 500 passing plays. On just 10 of those does player X look out of position enough (fell, cranial flatulence, whatever) that the QB even thinks about throwing against him and completes 8. Is that guy worse than player Y who all season long QB's are taking attempts against so 100 times he is thrown at and he defends 60 of them?

QB rating is silly simply because it is a volume stat and is weighted on O performance with lots of credit to TD's. Spot calculating it on a handful of pass attempts is meaningless. Again it doesn't take into account balls not thrown which after all is the fundamental point of coverage.

TexansSeminole
10-15-2009, 12:51 PM
Look at it this way. Typical NFL season 500 passing plays. On just 10 of those does player X look out of position enough (fell, cranial flatulence, whatever) that the QB even thinks about throwing against him and completes 8. Is that guy worse than player Y who all season long QB's are taking attempts against so 100 times he is thrown at and he defends 60 of them?

QB rating is silly simply because it is a volume stat and is weighted on O performance with lots of credit to TD's. Spot calculating it on a handful of pass attempts is meaningless. Again it doesn't take into account balls not thrown which after all is the fundamental point of coverage.

Yea, but if you factor all those things in yourself than the stats are helpful. The number of times a corner is thrown against is an available stat, so if that is low you disregard QB rating.

The way I look at Asomoghua's stats is that he keeps the receivers he goes up against to an average of 1.5 receptions per game for about 13 yards per game.

The question I have is how do they determine if the safety is getting thrown at or the corner.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 01:49 PM
Warner got sacked twice?

PFF credited Okoye for one sack and Cushing for another.
nfl.com showed only one sack bythe Texans, split between Okoye and Cushing.

badboy
10-15-2009, 01:54 PM
They haven't graded all 5 games yet so the numbers won't be equal.

Darrelle Revis
Games: 4 starts(doesn't include game 5)
Thrown at: 26
Receptions: 11
Completion%: 42.3
Yards: 109
Yards per Game: 27.3
Yards per reception: 9.9
Yards per attempt: 4.2
Yards after catch: 47
Long: 27
TDs: 0
INTs: 1
Passes defensed: 4
NFL QB rating against: 38.8

Nnamdi Asomugha
Games: 4 starts(doesn't include game 5)
Thrown at: 5
Receptions: 5
Completion%: 100
Yards: 43
Yards per game: 10.8
Yards per reception: 8.6
Yards per attempt: 8.6
Yarda after catch: 21
Long: 17
TDs: 1
INTs: 0
Passes defensed: 0
NFL QB rating against: 142.1

Only thrown at 1.25 times per game. Nobody wants to challenge this guy.

Champ Bailey
Games: 4 starts (doesn't include game 5)
Thrown at: 28
Receptions: 14
Completion%: 50.0
Yards: 146
Yards per game: 36.5
Yards per receptions: 10.4
Yards per attempt: 5.2
Yards after catch: 43
Long: 34
TDs: 0
INTs: 1
Passes defensed: 5
NFL QB rating against: 50.6Jut think we could have drafted Revis and gotten ASO in FA. Yeah, he was expensive but DR $10 million now and projected $13-14 M next year (I don't see him getting a multi year deal) is close to ASO's $28 for first two.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 02:02 PM
PFF showed the Cards D with 51 Tackles and 2 Assists.
nfl.com has 52 and 6

PFF showed the Texans with 5 assits
nfl.com had 11

Mr teX
10-15-2009, 03:44 PM
I think the big thing that kubes and bush learned from the arizona game is that we have man coverage cb's & we struggle in zone mainly because we don't have good safeties. It seemed like when we went to more man coverage, our pass rush all of a sudden came alive. Reeves & Dunta both made their best plays in man coverage as well.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 03:45 PM
Yea, but if you factor all those things in yourself than the stats are helpful. The number of times a corner is thrown against is an available stat, so if that is low you disregard QB rating.

The way I look at Asomoghua's stats is that he keeps the receivers he goes up against to an average of 1.5 receptions per game for about 13 yards per game.

The question I have is how do they determine if the safety is getting thrown at or the corner.


The question I have is how do they determine if the safety is getting thrown at or the LB?

Warner's first pass to Boldin for 20yds;
Wilson was charged for it, but I'm not so sure it was correct.

We had Diles on the LOS and blitzing; the RB stayed to block.
The FB released; Pollard (strong safety) came up to take him.
Dunta followed the outside receiver (Fitz) deep.
Demeco (who was nearest to Boldin - the slot receiver) dropped back and followed him, but Boldin was too fast for Demeco.
Wilson (playing FS) was standing on the outside of the hashmarks on the opposite side (with an eye to help Quin on the TE on that side).
He started to his left so that he can be in position to help both Dunta (on the deep receiver) and Demeco (the underneath receiver).

So who should be charged for the Pass Thrown At and Completion?
Wilson or Demeco?

It looks to me we were in man coverage, and Demeco dropped back toward Boldin right quick.
All of our other defenders were playing man.
If Wilson was to play man on Boldin, he wouldn't be lining up all the way on the other side.

Goatcheese
10-15-2009, 03:49 PM
Look at it this way. Typical NFL season 500 passing plays. On just 10 of those does player X look out of position enough (fell, cranial flatulence, whatever) that the QB even thinks about throwing against him and completes 8. Is that guy worse than player Y who all season long QB's are taking attempts against so 100 times he is thrown at and he defends 60 of them?

QB rating is silly simply because it is a volume stat and is weighted on O performance with lots of credit to TD's. Spot calculating it on a handful of pass attempts is meaningless. Again it doesn't take into account balls not thrown which after all is the fundamental point of coverage.

One stat taken by itself isn't very useful. A dozen stats taken together paint a solid picture of what happened.

HHWNBN posted some really high completion %, and QB ratings in some dog turd performances. If you add in yards, attempts, sacks fumbles and TDs it changes things. 28 of 30 for 19 yards, 0 TDs with 8 sacks for - 40 yards, and 3 fumbles might get you a nice QB rating, but everybody can tell it's a bad performance.

Warner got sacked twice?

PFF credited Okoye for one sack and Cushing for another.
nfl.com showed only one sack bythe Texans, split between Okoye and Cushing.

They don't use 1/2 stats. If you got to the QB you get credit for it.

PFF showed the Cards D with 51 Tackles and 2 Assists.
nfl.com has 52 and 6

PFF showed the Texans with 5 assits
nfl.com had 11

They use different standards for assists, and don't reward pilejumpers.

Mr teX
10-15-2009, 03:53 PM
The question I have is how do they determine if the safety is getting thrown at or the LB?

Warner's first pass to Boldin for 20yds;
Wilson was charged for it, but I'm not so sure it was correct.

We had Diles on the LOS and blitzing; the RB stayed to block.
The FB released; Pollard (strong safety) came up to take him.
Dunta followed the outside receiver (Fitz) deep.
Demeco (who was nearest to Boldin - the slot receiver) dropped back and followed him, but Boldin was too fast for Demeco.
Wilson (playing FS) was standing on the outside of the hashmarks on the opposite side (with an eye to help Quin on the TE on that side).
He started to his left so that he can be in position to help both Dunta (on the deep receiver) and Demeco (the underneath receiver).

So who should be charged for the Pass Thrown At and Completion?

Probably best answered by what coverage they were in. from what you have described, sounds like some kind of zone combo coverage.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 03:53 PM
One stat taken by itself isn't very useful. A dozen stats taken together paint a solid picture of what happened.

HHWNBN posted some really high completion %, and QB ratings in some dog turd performances. If you add in yards, attempts, sacks fumbles and TDs it changes things. 28 of 30 for 19 yards, 0 TDs with 8 sacks for - 40 yards, and 3 fumbles might get you a nice QB rating, but everybody can tell it's a bad performance.



They don't use 1/2 stats. If you got to the QB you get credit for it.



They use different standards for assists, and don't reward pilejumpers.Thanks, but they still miss ONE tackle.

Last year, they didn't get the sack allowed numbers correctly.
I understand it is difficult, but if you can't even record the numbers straight, it doesn't bring a lot of credibility to the judgment part.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 03:54 PM
Probably best answered by what coverage they were in. from what you have described, sounds like some kind of zone combo coverage.

No, every defender started on his man straight away.
Wilson was the single deep safety.

If it was zone, Pollard wouldn't have gotten up to the FB that quickly.

......

If it was zone, IMO, Demeco would have shuffled to the outside to take on the releasing FB instead of dropping back to follow Boldin.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 04:45 PM
One thing they didn't account for in the rating of the DB:
Pass interference.

Yes, they do record it and deduct point in the general grading;
but it wasn't account for in the DBs' ratings.

Reeves had that pass interference toward the end of the first quarter.
He avoided a TD by committing interference (but they would score on the next play anyway.)

But shouldn't that be incorporated into the coverage rating?

Hagar
10-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Take a look at Mario's stats on a per game basis. Take away the Oakland game and his stats probably don't look so good.

Mario Williams (http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&lastname=Williams&surn=Williams&playerid=2946)

76Texan
10-15-2009, 06:08 PM
Take a look at Mario's stats on a per game basis. Take away the Oakland game and his stats probably don't look so good.

Mario Williams (http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&lastname=Williams&surn=Williams&playerid=2946)

That's nut!

In the Jax game, they charged him with a penalty and deducted 1.5 point (that's a lot).

(Some penalty they deducted 0.5, some 1.0, some 1.5).

But then, Mario didn't commit any penalty in that game according to the game log from nfl.com

dc_txtech
10-15-2009, 07:06 PM
That's nut!

In the Jax game, they charged him with a penalty and deducted 1.5 point (that's a lot).

(Some penalty they deducted 0.5, some 1.0, some 1.5).

But then, Mario didn't commit any penalty in that game according to the game log from nfl.com

That was the horse collar on the last play of the game I believe.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 07:34 PM
That was the horse collar on the last play of the game I believe.

Yeah, I just thought about that when I recheck the nfl.com log.
They charged it to A. Smith, LOL!
Now I don't know who to believe.

.......

Still, deducting 1.5 point is way too high; especially when it doesn't matter any more.
The Jags just had to kneel down to win the game.

thunderkyss
10-15-2009, 07:41 PM
The question I have is how do they determine if the safety is getting thrown at or the LB?

Warner's first pass to Boldin for 20yds;
Wilson was charged for it, but I'm not so sure it was correct.


Where do you see who they are crediting with "who was thrown at"

All I've found so far, is the play-by-play, and Wilson is credited with the tackle.

Goatcheese
10-15-2009, 07:42 PM
Another stat that may be more useful for figuring out the effectiveness of a shut down corner like Aso is the number of snaps, and number of plays in coverage.

Dunta Robinson: 284 snaps, 168 in coverage. Thrown at on 12.5% and allowed a reception on 7.1% of pass plays.

Fred Bennett: 189 snaps, 99 in coverage. Thrown at on 20.2% and allowed a reception 14.1% of pass plays.

Glover Quin: 156 snaps, 106 in coverage. Thrown at on 18.8% and allowed a reception on 12.2% of pass plays.

Brice McCain: 91 snaps, 47 in coverage. Thrown at on 14.8% and allowed a reception on 12.7% of pass plays.

Jacques Reeves: 39 snaps, 32 in coverage. Thrown at on 15.6% and allowed a reception on 6.2% of pass plays.

Comparisons:

Darrelle Revis: 269 snaps, 159 in coverage. Thrown at on 16.3% and allowed a reception on 6.9% of pass plays.

Nnamdi Asomugha: 281 snaps, 133 in coverage. Thrown at on 3.7% and allowed a reception on 3.7% of pass plays.

Champ Baily: 247 snaps, 150 in coverage. Thrown at on 18.6% and allowed a reception on 9.3% of pass plays.

76Texan
10-15-2009, 08:16 PM
Where do you see who they are crediting with "who was thrown at"

All I've found so far, is the play-by-play, and Wilson is credited with the tackle.

It's on the PFF site that maddict and goatcheese referred to.
On the second menu bar, where they have offense, passing, rushing, receiving, defense, coverage, etc.

Click on COVERAGE.

It just happens that it was the only ball Wilson tackled Boldin on a pass, and it was the first pass of the game, so I can see it right away when I put on the game film.

.......

GOAT, you're driving me crazy with all these stats, LOL!

Goatcheese
10-17-2009, 07:06 AM
Was D-Rob really better before his 2007 injury than he is now?

2007

Dunta Robinson
Games: 6 starts
TA: 36
TA/G: 6
Rec: 22
Rec/G: 3.7
%: 61.1
Yards: 289
YPG: 48.1
Long: 64
YPR: 13.1
YPA: 8.0
YAC: 113
YACA: 5.1
TD: 1
INT: 2
PD: 7
QB rating: 72.6
Snaps: 403
In Coverage: 229
TA%: 15.7%
Rec%: 9.6%

2008

Dunta Robinson
Games: 11 games played, 6 starts
TA: 46
TA/G: 4.2
Rec: 27
Rec/G: 2.5
%: 58.7
Yards: 316
YPG: 28.7
Long: 49
YPR: 11.7
YPA: 6.8
YAC: 118
YACA: 4.3
TD: 3
INT: 2
PD: 4
QB rating: 83.2
Snaps: 568
In Coverage: 329
TA%: 13.9%
Rec%: 8.2%

2009

Dunta Robinson
Games: 5 starts
TA: 21
TA/G: 4.2
Rec: 12
Rec/G: 2.4
%: 57.1
Yards: 169
YPG: 33.8
Long: 27 yards
YPR: 14.1
YPA: 8.0
YAC: 65
YACA: 5.4
TDs: 1
INTs: 0
PD: 3
QB rating: 99.1
Snaps: 284
In Coverage: 168
TA%: 12.5%
Rec%: 7.1%

He's being thrown at less, has a lower completion percentage, and is giving up fewer yards per game than he was earlier in his career. If you're hoping for him to return to his pre-injury form, it might be a good time to stop. The only major area he is doing worse in is TD:INT ratio, which is largely a matter of circumstances and chance.

Also, looking back he was a lot better than Reeves last year in almost every category.

2008

Jacques Reeves
Games: 16 starts
TA: 106
TA/G:6.6
Rec: 55
Rec/G: 3.4
%: 51.9
Yards: 884
YPG: 55.3
Long: 63
YPR: 16.0
YPA: 8.3
YAC: 246
YACA: 4.5
TD: 4
INT: 4
PD: 13
QB rating: 76.9
Snaps: 957
In Coverage: 537
TA%: 19.7%
Rec%: 10.2%

76Texan
10-17-2009, 09:48 AM
Was D-Rob really better before his 2007 injury than he is now?

He's being thrown at less, has a lower completion percentage, and is giving up fewer yards per game than he was earlier in his career. If you're hoping for him to return to his pre-injury form, it might be a good time to stop. The only major area he is doing worse in is TD:INT ratio, which is largely a matter of circumstances and chance.

Also, looking back he was a lot better than Reeves last year in almost every category.


In my game reviews for the 08 season, I insisted that Dunta was the best DB that we had.

Both in coverage and run support.

TheRealJoker
10-17-2009, 11:37 AM
I'm excited to see what the secondary looks like going forward as Reeves gets to 100% and Glover Quinn develops further as a pro along with Bernard Pollard having time on our team as a starter.

I am hoping their performance in the 2nd half last week will be par for the course because that's what we need to win this week and throughout the season to make the playoffs.

Goatcheese
10-17-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm excited to see what the secondary looks like going forward as Reeves gets to 100% and Glover Quinn develops further as a pro along with Bernard Pollard having time on our team as a starter.

I am hoping their performance in the 2nd half last week will be par for the course because that's what we need to win this week and throughout the season to make the playoffs.

Speaking of safety.

Eugene Wilson

Games: 3 starts
TA: 5
TA/G: 1.7
Rec: 1
Rec/G: 0.3
%: 20
Yards: 20
YPG: 6.7
Long: 20
YPR: 20
YPA: 4
YAC: 2
YACA: 2
TD: 0
INT: 1
PD: 0
QB rating: 4.2
Snaps: 187
In Coverage: 111
TA%: 4.5%
Rec%: 0.9%

We can only hope that Wilson continues this incredible level of play, and stays healthy. It's just too bad that he looks like Fred Bennett trying to make a tackle.

Bernard Pollard

Games: 2 starts
TA: 8
TA/G: 4
Rec: 7
Rec/G: 3.5
%: 87.5
Yards: 71
YPG: 35.5
Long: 26
YPR: 10.1
YPA: 8.9
YAC: 24
YACA: 3.4
TD: 1
INT: 1
PD: 1
QB rating: 143.2
Snaps: 118
In Coverage: 73
TA%: 10.9%
Rec%: 9.6%

Not horrible for a guy who you expect to be a liability against the pass.

Comparisons

Ed Reed
Games: 5 starts
TA: 6
TA/G: 1.2
Rec: 3
Rec/G: 0.6
%: 50
Yards: 34
YPG: 6.8
Long: 21
YPR: 11.3
YPA: 5.7
YAC: 24
YACA: 8
TD: 0
INT: 2
PD: 0
QB rating: 27.8
Snaps: 321
In Coverage: 187
TA%: 3.2%
Rec%: 1.6%

Michael Huff
Games: 5 games played, 2 starts
TA: 11
TA/G: 2.2
Rec: 1
Rec/G: 0.2
%: 9.1
Yards: 12
YPG: 2.4
Long: 12
YPR: 12
YPA: 1.1
YAC: 0
YACA: 0
TD: 0
INT: 3
PD: 4
QB rating: 0.0
Snaps: 217
In Coverage: 115
TA%: 9.6%
Rec%: 0.9

Kal
10-19-2009, 07:29 AM
Warner got sacked twice?

PFF credited Okoye for one sack and Cushing for another.
nfl.com showed only one sack bythe Texans, split between Okoye and Cushing.

We don't recognise half sacks and are firm believers if a play makes a play he should get credit for it, regardless of whether somebody else has made a good play. That may lead people to believe our sack allowance and sack totals don't match up ... which is true, we often don't allocate responsibility on a sack as well if its a scheme thing where an unblocked blitzer makes a play.

Kal
10-19-2009, 07:37 AM
PFF showed the Cards D with 51 Tackles and 2 Assists.
nfl.com has 52 and 6

PFF showed the Texans with 5 assits
nfl.com had 11

One of the biggest lies with NFL stats, and why they remain an unofficial stat, is the tackle count. Analysing what is a tackle and what isn't is done during game time and not retrospectively so a lot of mistakes are made and not corrected. Then you have homer score keepers who like to credit their favourites with tackles (Lewis, Urlacher etc) and you'll even get some who give players credit for tackles when they're not even on the field.

To really analyse a game would take upwards of 5 hours and even then you'll make mistakes, but I do find it a little weird that our stats are more accurate than what gets posted on the official NFL site.

Kal
10-19-2009, 07:42 AM
Look at it this way. Typical NFL season 500 passing plays. On just 10 of those does player X look out of position enough (fell, cranial flatulence, whatever) that the QB even thinks about throwing against him and completes 8. Is that guy worse than player Y who all season long QB's are taking attempts against so 100 times he is thrown at and he defends 60 of them?

QB rating is silly simply because it is a volume stat and is weighted on O performance with lots of credit to TD's. Spot calculating it on a handful of pass attempts is meaningless. Again it doesn't take into account balls not thrown which after all is the fundamental point of coverage.

So true ... how you can grade a quarterback without grading what happened in the play has always bugged me about the QB rating. Take Quarterback A. He throws 2 picks ... one is where his receiver tips it and another is a hail mary at the end of the half... but his rating goes down for this even though for the rest of the game he could have played exceptionally. Then take Quarterback B. He dumps the ball off in the flat to his back who makes 6 men miss tackles and takes it 80 yards for a TD. He then throws 3 terrible balls that the defender should have picked but has hands like stone. The QB rating will likely say QB B played better, but he didn't, or at least it cant be told from it.

I'm a firm believer in using stats alongside other stats for interest, but you need to watch a player on every play to fully understand how good he is. Otherwise you get highlight reel players who are thought of as elite when they're simply not.