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gafftop
10-14-2009, 07:25 AM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

C'mon Kubiak.
1) The Texans don't have the personnel to blow people out. We have the perfect Oline to be BLOWN OUT. You keep trying to power run the ball in the red zone expecting different results.
2) Chris Brown may be OUR power back, but he isn't a POWER BACK. He does not have a nose for the goal line. Doesn't FIGHT TO GET IN. I would rather see AJ run the wildcat but who wouldn't. You don't have to be big to be a good goal line back. It may help, but you need more.
3) Kubiak do not feel the definition of a successful is being able to run the ball 1 yard anytime you want to. We as fans will be happy with a win any way you get it. You have a team that can get in the position to WIN, you as a coach needs to UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAMS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES and create plays that will make this team effective in the RED ZONE and throughout the game.
4) For someone who values the RUN GAME you sure don't try to bring any talented running backs in. You could have had BENSON, maybe TAYLOR, even Adrian Peterson during the draft, but showed absolutely no interest in any of them.
What is you problem.
5) You kept trotting Fred Bennett out expecting different results.
6) You keep thinking you can be successful with your undersized line.
7) KUBIAK READ THE ABOVE ABOUT INSANITY AGAIN. REALLY THINK ABOUT, HARD.

I think the problem is the fans can see that this team is capable of more,
BUT THE COACHING IS KEEPING THEM FROM REACHING THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. If the talent on the team was just bad then there would not be as big an uproar. thanks

Thorn
10-14-2009, 07:31 AM
I see pitchforks and torches on the horizon. :pirate:

Cjeremy635
10-14-2009, 07:37 AM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

C'mon Kubiak.
1) The Texans don't have the personnel to blow people out. We have the perfect Oline to be BLOWN OUT.
2) Chris Brown may be OUR power back, but he isn't a POWER BACK. He does not have a nose for the goal line. Doesn't FIGHT TO GET IN. I would rather see AJ run the wildcat but who wouldn't. You don't have to be big to be a good goal line back. It may help, but you need more.
3) Kubiak do not feel the definition of a successful is being able to run the ball 1 yard anytime you want to. We as fans will be happy with a win any way you get it. You have a team that can get in the position to WIN, you as a coach needs to UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAMS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES and create plays that will make this team effective in the RED ZONE and throughout the game.
4) For someone who values the RUN GAME you sure don't try to bring any talented running backs in. You could have had BENSON, maybe TAYLOR, even Adrian Peterson during the draft, but showed absolutely no interest in any of them.
What is you problem.
5) You kept trotting Fred Bennett out expecting different results.
6) KUBIAK READ THE ABOVE ABOUT INSANITY AGAIN. REALLY THINK ABOUT, HARD.

I think the problem is the fans can see that this team is capable of more,
BUT THE COACHING IS KEEPING THEM FROM REACHING THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. If the talent on the team was just bad then their would not be as big an uproar. thanks

That's not true at all. People would complain about that as well, hell....look at your own post. You're complaining about the talent of some of our players. It's human nature, people are going to complain. We could have been winning these close games and some would still complain that we should have not had them so close. We should have had blowouts, etc. Complainers complain.....period.

gafftop
10-14-2009, 07:50 AM
You are probably right. But I would not be focusing on the coaching decisions as much because they would not be a major factor in determining the outcome of individual games. This team finally has a chance to compete and COACHING DECISIONS CAN AND HAVE BEEN CRITICAL IN DETERMINING THE OUTCOME.
thanks

BigBull17
10-14-2009, 07:51 AM
I don't have a problem with not going RB in FA, but if you want to be this unstopable running team, them make the picks in the draft. Build that way. Don't build a team that uses smallish Linemen who are better pass blockers then try and become a hammer at the hardest part of the field to be the hammer. Makes no damn sense. He keep arrogantly shaking his fist proclaiming we're gonna keep plugging away just like we are. It's getting tired.:beerfunnel:

Malloy
10-14-2009, 07:54 AM
Continuing to point out the faults of the coach and expecting different reactions is insanity :)

Blake
10-14-2009, 07:58 AM
Continuing to point out the faults of the coach and expecting different reactions is insanity :)

lol. You must spread rep.

Kaiser Toro
10-14-2009, 08:02 AM
Gary: That's not a bad idea.
Bush: What?
Gary: Making a Defensive Tackle. Actually making a Defensive Tackle. Like Frankenstein... except cuter.
Bush: [stands up] You're serious?
[Gary grabs Bush by the collar and pulls him towards him]
Gary: Look me in the eye. Do I look serious?
Bush: Gary Kubiak, that's-that's Fangio shit! That's sick! I am not digging up dead DTs!
[Gary puts his hand over Bush's mouth and sits him down on the training table]
Gary: No, I'm not talking about digging up dead DTs, Frank. I'm talking about your system, *****, your computer!

[Gary is chanting incoherently. Bush seemed very confused by his best friend's odd behaviour. They are both wearing bras on their heads]
Bush: Gary?... By the way, why are we wearing bras on our heads?
Gary: [hesitates] Ceremonial.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090305/quotes

Mr. White
10-14-2009, 08:10 AM
The definition of insanity is to keep running Alex Gibbs guys in Alex Gibbs plays and expecting a different result.

HoustonFrog
10-14-2009, 08:12 AM
Gary: That's not a bad idea.
Bush: What?
Gary: Making a Defensive Tackle. Actually making a Defensive Tackle. Like Frankenstein... except cuter.
Bush: [stands up] You're serious?
[Gary grabs Bush by the collar and pulls him towards him]
Gary: Look me in the eye. Do I look serious?
Bush: Gary Kubiak, that's-that's Fangio shit! That's sick! I am not digging up dead DTs!
[Gary puts his hand over Bush's mouth and sits him down on the training table]
Gary: No, I'm not talking about digging up dead DTs, Frank. I'm talking about your system, *****, your computer!

[Gary is chanting incoherently. Bush seemed very confused by his best friend's odd behaviour. They are both wearing bras on their heads]
Bush: Gary?... By the way, why are we wearing bras on our heads?
Gary: [hesitates] Ceremonial.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090305/quotes

Must spread Rep. But the Weird Science reference was awesome!! Nice work

DerekLee1
10-14-2009, 09:09 AM
1) The Texans don't have the personnel to blow people out. We have the perfect Oline to be BLOWN OUT. You keep trying to power run the ball in the red zone expecting different results.

Yes we do. The Oilers did it with the run n shoot, the Rams did it in the late 90's. The Cardinals did it last year. What we don't have is the personnel to control the clock the way most coaches would like. And they only tried "power running" a couple of times. There were two passes on that goalline stand that people seem to keep overlooking. Oh, and there's the fact that it had worked perfectly on the first try a couple of quarters earlier.

3) Kubiak do not feel the definition of a successful is being able to run the ball 1 yard anytime you want to. We as fans will be happy with a win any way you get it. You have a team that can get in the position to WIN, you as a coach needs to UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAMS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES and create plays that will make this team effective in the RED ZONE and throughout the game.

We only failed once in the red zone all day. 3 touchdowns and a field goal try should be enough to win damn near any game. The biggest problem was the defensive breakdown in the last 2 minutes of the first half.


4) For someone who values the RUN GAME you sure don't try to bring any talented running backs in. You could have had BENSON, maybe TAYLOR, even Adrian Peterson during the draft, but showed absolutely no interest in any of them.
What is you problem.

Adrian Peterson and Cedric Benson couldn't run behind this line. Steve Slaton had as good a rookie year last year as any in the last decade. Chris Brown is stellar behind a good line when he's healthy. We have "talented running backs". What we don't have is an O-line that can run block.

5) You kept trotting Fred Bennett out expecting different results.


Was there a Fred Bennett sighting this past Sunday? Because all I saw was Dunta getting burned, Jacques Reeves playing out of his mind, and Glover Quin laying some serious wood.

6) You keep thinking you can be successful with your undersized line.

They were very successful with it last year. Slaton had something like 1800 yards with the exact same line. Why they can't run it is puzzling. And if being undersized is such a "problem", how do you explain the sensational pass blocking these guys are providing? I don't think it's so much the size as the technique. Something has changed this year and I don't think anybody has quite put their fingers on why it's not working.

I think the problem is the fans can see that this team is capable of more,
BUT THE COACHING IS KEEPING THEM FROM REACHING THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. If the talent on the team was just bad then there would not be as big an uproar. thanks

Give me a break! I think the fans are just overevaluating the "talent" on this team. Nobody outside of Houston (unless they're diehard NFL fans) has a clue about a single player on this team besides Andre Johnson. You hear Mario's name mentioned, but usually only because of the 2006 draft. The word I think you're looking for is POTENTIAL, not TALENT. The coaching is not PREVENTING them from reaching potential. Please! You're talking about some of the greatest position coaches in the history of this league on this team's staff. They're not "holding anyone back". That's just ridiculous.

I still think most of the blame for the shortcomings of this team are on the individual players, NOT the coaches.

gafftop
10-14-2009, 10:48 AM
When I talk about Blow out, I am talking about blowing the other team off the ball and running the ball at will. I agree we possibly could put alot of points on the board, but this staff won't commit the whole game to doing this. I think this is a mistake.

Fred Bennett was on the field for the 1st 3 games and preseason. Do you really need that much time to see what you have? I agree not on field last week, but c'mon the coaching staff needs to open their eyes.

Was last week the only game you have watched this season? They can't run the ball at will.

We will just disagree on your assessment on us having talented running backs. Slaton was a surprise and I think he is a very good back, especially for the purpose he was originaly drafted for, change of pace. But as a whole I think we are below average on running backs. I think Adrian Peterson or Benson or Taylor would make a difference on this team. We will get a first hand look this weekend on Benson.

Undersized line was focused more towards us trying to force our will on a team , running the ball down their throat.

I do agree with you on the overall talent not being good. We are below avg in the trenches, average/above LBs, Below in secondary, above avg receivers etc. That said I think we have enough this year to compete for a playoff spot. I think coaching can make a difference in the outcome of the game/season. This is the 1st year I think the Texans had/have a chance for the playoffs and it is sad to see bad coaching decisions making a difference.

indiantexan
10-14-2009, 11:16 AM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

C'mon Kubiak.
1) The Texans don't have the personnel to blow people out. We have the perfect Oline to be BLOWN OUT. You keep trying to power run the ball in the red zone expecting different results.
2) Chris Brown may be OUR power back, but he isn't a POWER BACK. He does not have a nose for the goal line. Doesn't FIGHT TO GET IN. I would rather see AJ run the wildcat but who wouldn't. You don't have to be big to be a good goal line back. It may help, but you need more.
3) Kubiak do not feel the definition of a successful is being able to run the ball 1 yard anytime you want to. We as fans will be happy with a win any way you get it. You have a team that can get in the position to WIN, you as a coach needs to UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAMS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES and create plays that will make this team effective in the RED ZONE and throughout the game.
4) For someone who values the RUN GAME you sure don't try to bring any talented running backs in. You could have had BENSON, maybe TAYLOR , even Adrian Peterson during the draft, but showed absolutely no interest in any of them.
What is you problem.
5) You kept trotting Fred Bennett out expecting different results.
6) You keep thinking you can be successful with your undersized line.
7) KUBIAK READ THE ABOVE ABOUT INSANITY AGAIN. REALLY THINK ABOUT, HARD.

I think the problem is the fans can see that this team is capable of more,
BUT THE COACHING IS KEEPING THEM FROM REACHING THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. If the talent on the team was just bad then there would not be as big an uproar. thanks

Taylor?

eriadoc
10-14-2009, 11:18 AM
The definition of insanity is to keep running Alex Gibbs guys in Alex Gibbs plays and expecting a different result.

See sig.

gafftop
10-14-2009, 11:26 AM
All said I still think it is a coin flip on whether I think it would be better to get rid of him and start over. The rest of the season will decide this. I have not given up on him, but he surely has not won me over this season. I was pro Kubiak at beginning of season but now I am ambivalent. Big questions
1) Inability to get team ready to play. Both beginning of season against Jets and it seems at the beginning of each game. Can he motivate?
2) Are the players tired of his style? Have they bought into his idea for the team? Are the players tired of Smith? Are they really giving 100%. I know some players are , but you really need all the players to give their all, especially when you are almost there like the Texans are.
3) Overall game plans and play selection on offense.
4) Evaluation and usage of the players, strengths and weaknesses of the team as a whole and getting the best outcome you can get based on them.
But really who wants to hear any more. I'm DONE.

eriadoc
10-14-2009, 11:29 AM
All said I still think it is a coin flip on whether I think it would be better to get rid of him and start over.

I don't think it matters, which is more scary, IMO.

Double Barrel
10-14-2009, 12:00 PM
Adrian Peterson and Cedric Benson couldn't run behind this line. Steve Slaton had as good a rookie year last year as any in the last decade. Chris Brown is stellar behind a good line when he's healthy. We have "talented running backs". What we don't have is an O-line that can run block.

They were very successful with it last year. Slaton had something like 1800 yards with the exact same line. Why they can't run it is puzzling. And if being undersized is such a "problem", how do you explain the sensational pass blocking these guys are providing? I don't think it's so much the size as the technique. Something has changed this year and I don't think anybody has quite put their fingers on why it's not working.

I think you just called yourself out in the same post.

badboy
10-14-2009, 12:21 PM
Eveything is going to be just fine. Expert John McClain said yesterday that Texans will be 4 & 4 midway. The offensive line and Slaton are doing just what they were hired to do, move the ball down the field to Red Zone. The line is comprised of pass blockers not run blockers. Slaton is behind last season but can catch up quick. We signed Brown to be the scoring back. He is not doing what coaches expected.

Mr. White
10-14-2009, 12:25 PM
1) Inability to get team ready to play. Both beginning of season against Jets and it seems at the beginning of each game. Can he motivate?
2) Are the players tired of his style? Have they bought into his idea for the team? Are the players tired of Smith? Are they really giving 100%. I know some players are , but you really need all the players to give their all, especially when you are almost there like the Texans are.


I've asked myself these same questions and I think he gets the team up for games, but not until their backs are up against the wall.

From what I can tell, his "kids" fight for him when the media and the fans pile on him.


.....but not until then

blitz90
10-14-2009, 12:32 PM
Hell, forget all that I say he's insane based solely on the fact that Andre isn't in the game in a lot of goal line situations.

I need Herm Edwards right now to get in Kubiaks face and ye'll "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. YOU PLAAAAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!"

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 01:09 PM
I've asked myself these same questions and I think he gets the team up for games, but not until their backs are up against the wall.

From what I can tell, his "kids" fight for him when the media and the fans pile on him.


.....but not until then

Great way to put it.

Goldensilence
10-14-2009, 01:09 PM
Yes we do. The Oilers did it with the run n shoot, the Rams did it in the late 90's. The Cardinals did it last year. What we don't have is the personnel to control the clock the way most coaches would like. And they only tried "power running" a couple of times. There were two passes on that goalline stand that people seem to keep overlooking. Oh, and there's the fact that it had worked perfectly on the first try a couple of quarters earlier.



We only failed once in the red zone all day. 3 touchdowns and a field goal try should be enough to win damn near any game. The biggest problem was the defensive breakdown in the last 2 minutes of the first half.




Adrian Peterson and Cedric Benson couldn't run behind this line. Steve Slaton had as good a rookie year last year as any in the last decade. Chris Brown is stellar behind a good line when he's healthy. We have "talented running backs". What we don't have is an O-line that can run block.



Was there a Fred Bennett sighting this past Sunday? Because all I saw was Dunta getting burned, Jacques Reeves playing out of his mind, and Glover Quin laying some serious wood.



They were very successful with it last year. Slaton had something like 1800 yards with the exact same line. Why they can't run it is puzzling. And if being undersized is such a "problem", how do you explain the sensational pass blocking these guys are providing? I don't think it's so much the size as the technique. Something has changed this year and I don't think anybody has quite put their fingers on why it's not working.



Give me a break! I think the fans are just overevaluating the "talent" on this team. Nobody outside of Houston (unless they're diehard NFL fans) has a clue about a single player on this team besides Andre Johnson. You hear Mario's name mentioned, but usually only because of the 2006 draft. The word I think you're looking for is POTENTIAL, not TALENT. The coaching is not PREVENTING them from reaching potential. Please! You're talking about some of the greatest position coaches in the history of this league on this team's staff. They're not "holding anyone back". That's just ridiculous.

I still think most of the blame for the shortcomings of this team are on the individual players, NOT the coaches.

BWA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Oh. That wasn't a joke. Are you serious?

What gives you any kind of indication Brown, healthy and stellar belong in the same sentence?

By the way, most backs tend to look good when they're healthy and run behind a good line. Outside of Slaton you really think we've got good backs?

On the last bolded statement. At what point do you start to say...well this IS Kubiak's team. He assembled this roster and this staff. At what point do we start to... I dunno as him to win with his "kids"?

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 01:10 PM
We signed Brown to be the scoring back. He is not doing what coaches expected.

But somehow he is still the GL back.

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 01:17 PM
BWA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Oh. That wasn't a joke. Are you serious?

What gives you any kind of indication Brown, healthy and stellar belong in the same sentence?

By the way, most backs tend to look good when they're healthy and run behind a good line. Outside of Slaton you really think we've got good backs?

On the last bolded statement. At what point do you start to say...well this IS Kubiak's team. He assembled this roster and this staff. At what point do we start to... I dunno as him to win with his "kids"?


When you really think about it, everyone thought that Kubes was going to bring this great Denver running game to Houston when he came here. He has had one good running game in 4 seasons now. And running the ball is supposed to be his bread and butter that leads up to his play action when he wants to pass. He has always said that he's committed to running the ball, and that's always bothered me. I know how important running the ball is, but if you don't have good RB's to run the ball or a good O line to block for your runners, then why be committed to running the ball? It's that typical stubborn coach's syndrome that I can't stand with a lot of coaches for different reasons. The first two seasons Kubes was here drove me nuts, because we didn't have anyone that could run the ball or that good of run blocking either and we still tried to keep running it. This year, we have a good RB, but we just don't have an O line that can open up the holes. Slaton can run inside just fine, but he needs some holes to run through. But again, a coach that is committed to the run as Kubiak is, and has only had one season out of 4 where the rushing attack was good, is pretty bad.

gafftop
10-14-2009, 01:19 PM
Just win baby. I agree.

infantrycak
10-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Texans - 310.4 lbs average.

Miami - 315.4 lbs
Giants - 315.2 lbs
Ravens - 317.8 lbs
Jets - 311 lbs

Not sure where some folks get the idea we are running some ballerina line on their weights.

gtexan02
10-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Miami C - Jay Grove - 300 pounds
Giants C - O'Hara - 303
Ravens - C - Matt Birk - 309
Jets - C - Mangold - 305

Meyers - 295

Its not like Meyers is tiny either

gafftop
12-13-2009, 05:56 PM
Kubiak will not put pedal down for full game, or our players just can't concentrate for a full game. i do feel Kubiak is doing a little better running the ball now in the red zone. He has figured out what he has and now is pitching out and allowing are backs to find the holes instead of pounding the ball into a hole. Too bad he didn't figure this out a little earlier. Can he learn that he needs to play his A game the WHOLE game. Also is he going to give Matt more leeway in calling audibles? Matt is probably as good as Romo whatever that means. Had a great chance to PU quality FA RB last year, but thought he had all he needed in Slaton, very short sighted. In love with SLOW Chris Brown, he puts no pressure on defense. Is he over his love affair with RB Brown. Again if he learns from his mistakes he will be better next year because he has made alot of them this year. He must learn to play A game for full game. If you are ahead and you get single coverage on AJ, don't be afraid to go for it. Just rambling now.

Buffi2
12-13-2009, 06:04 PM
From what I can tell, his "kids" fight for him when the media and the fans pile on him.


.....but not until then

Then I suggest we save all of these fire Kubiak threads until the first game of next season and start posting them again. And continue posting them until the end of the season. :kitten: Could work

gafftop
12-19-2010, 05:11 PM
It is his NATURE. Some things never change. I think I was saying the same thing the year before but I don't know how to go back further. I think Kubiak wants to be fired so he can go to Broncos and have a big payday. Don't laugh.

steelbtexan
12-19-2010, 05:14 PM
Kubiak's biggest fault is thaat he struggles to make decisions on the fly. IMHO

Mr. White
12-19-2010, 05:14 PM
I've asked myself these same questions and I think he gets the team up for games, but not until their backs are up against the wall.

From what I can tell, his "kids" fight for him when the media and the fans pile on him.


.....but not until then

What a difference a year makes.

The "kids" don't care what anyone says this year. They only fight each other nowadays.

CloakNNNdagger
12-19-2010, 05:23 PM
Kubiak's biggest fault is thaat he struggles to make decisions on the fly. IMHO

I wonder if he has the same difficulties of deciding between the #1 option and the #2 option on the field as he does in the bathroom.:kitten:

HoustonFrog
12-19-2010, 05:41 PM
I see my insanity quote to the letter I sent to Bob is becoming popular


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78611

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1611126&postcount=15

steelbtexan
12-19-2010, 06:40 PM
I wonder if he has the same difficulties of deciding between the #1 option and the #2 option on the field as he does in the bathroom.:kitten:

It appears that Kubiak has used option #2 in his pants a few times this season.

Lucky
12-19-2010, 07:42 PM
Bush: Gary?... By the way, why are we wearing bras on our heads?

I couldn't come up with the movie until I read that line. I haven't seen that in 20 years.
I think you just called yourself out in the same post.
I think he was referring to a Madden simulation he did last year.
I see my insanity quote to the letter I sent to Bob is becoming popular
I still don't think it was Einstein that said this. Is it from a book, speech, interview?

gafftop
12-19-2010, 07:44 PM
I see my insanity quote to the letter I sent to Bob is becoming popular


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78611

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1611126&postcount=15

This thread was started over 1 year ago. The reason I posted was to let people know Kubiak was the same LAST year, and there is no reason to think he will change.

HoustonFrog
12-19-2010, 08:27 PM
This thread was started over 1 year ago. The reason I posted was to let people know Kubiak was the same LAST year, and there is no reason to think he will change.

Wow, I'm the plagiarizer..lol. Hadn't seen it. Smart OP.

I still don't think it was Einstein that said this. Is it from a book, speech, interview?

If you google it the first few are Einstein, then Franklin and then some ancient proverb. There is even discussion on whose quote it is. So who knows. It fits though!

utahmark
12-19-2010, 08:31 PM
quit bringing back year old post's, your confusing the hell out of me.:foottap:

Txn_in_Oki
12-19-2010, 08:49 PM
I didn't look at the date and had no idea this was a thread from last year. I was reading right along until I saw Dunta's name... I had a "What tha?" moment and looked at the date finally.

Scary how the same problems keep coming back up.

CloakNNNdagger
12-19-2010, 08:59 PM
Wow, I'm the plagiarizer..lol. Hadn't seen it. Smart OP.



If you google it the first few are Einstein, then Franklin and then some ancient proverb. There is even discussion on whose quote it is. So who knows. It fits though!


This is the best attempt (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#definition_of_insanity...)to trace the phrase back to Einstein........with dead ends encountered at each turn.

definition of insanity...

According to my research, Einstein was indeed first to use the phrase. Reference is Letters to Solovine: 1906-1955. Clearly this predates the other mentioned source. 11/30/2009 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.22.33.251 (talk)

I see the claim in several unreliable sources on the web, but no response when anyone asks for specific page or context. The GoogleBooks copy of the 1987 edition of Letters to Solovine does not show any instances of the words "insanity" or "insane". Many books quote the letters, but GoogleBooks shows none that quote this aphorism. ~ Ningauble 21:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I found a 1925 New Yorker that attributes the phrase to writings of Einstein here. I moved the quote to disputed. - Stillwaterising 05:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
This however may be a misattribution and the source of modern misattributions (as old New Yorkers became searchable). - Stillwaterising 06:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
That source wasn't right, the text was modern, mentions Kate Bush. I did find an older reference though here. - Stillwaterising 07:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Stillwaterising is correct. The "New Yorker" source is an article by David Sedaris, published in the January 29, 2007 issue.
The earliest quote on google books I found using the phrase "expecting a different" and the word "insanity" was from 1979: 'As Albert Einstein famously put it, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ' But there might be some alternate phrasing I haven't thought of (like using the word 'madness' instead of 'insanity', or 'expecting different results' or 'anticipating a different outcome' or whatever) Hypnosifl 08:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Scratch that, google seems to have messed up the date on the source above, which actually seems to be volume 71 of this series, which discusses the 2006 Dubai Ports World operations deal (so unless time travel was involved it can't actually have been published in 1979!) Hypnosifl 09:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Alas, as much as I love GoogleBooks, their bibliographic data has so many errors that it simply cannot be taken at face value – always verify. I have been reporting errors via their feedback link, but they are very slow to fix them. I reported this particular error several months ago. (Cf. discussion at Talk:Insanity.) ~ Ningauble 14:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
This page has some interesting speculation about the origin of the phrase, with a lot of people remembering the the phrase being widely used in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings going way back, though I suppose it's possible they only picked it up after reading it in Rita Mae Brown's 1983 book Sudden Death which seems to be the earliest confirmed written version. Too bad google books only features the 1992 edition of The Alcoholics Anonymous pamphlet Step 2: A Promise of Hope, and the original 1980 edition of the book (ISBN 9990108498) seems to be impossible to find when I enter the ISBN on BookFinder or BookHQ...it would be a lead worth following up on! I wonder if it might be possible to get the 1980 edition with an inter-library loan? Hypnosifl 16:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC) ******************************************
1983 book Sudden Death is the first traceable written documentation of this phrase.


http://bks0.books.google.com/books?id=rGBobolHnxUC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&sig=ACfU3U0uxlrlgy5KOpRUZ6n_sC8Oa8gysA


http://books.google.com/books?id=rGBobolHnxUC&pg=PA68&img=1&pgis=1&dq=expecting-different-results+same-thing+date:1800-1990&sig=ACfU3U0NUBjkGEYVQ5-aY2cSHtkP0Q-AEw&edge=0

HoustonFrog
12-19-2010, 09:29 PM
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Thanks for the info. Makes my letter not look as bad quoting him.

gafftop
12-20-2010, 07:56 AM
NOTE: THIS QUOTE WAS STARTED OVER A YEAR AGO AND THE SAME THINGS WE COMPLAINED ABOUT ARE STILL HAPPENNING ONLY THIS TIME THE PLAYERS ARE QUITTING. It is time to make a change. I think Kubiak is ready for a change. Deep down he wants to coach Denver. This team has taken on Kubiaks personality PASSIVE and unemotional. I think the players are saying something. They have given up and see no change occuring. A change needs to be made.

gafftop
10-07-2013, 10:13 PM
QUOTE=gafftop;1275507]Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
C'mon Kubiak.
1) The Texans don't have the personnel to blow people out. We have the perfect Oline to be BLOWN OUT. You keep trying to power run the ball in the red zone expecting different results.
2) Chris Brown may be OUR power back, but he isn't a POWER BACK. He does not have a nose for the goal line. Doesn't FIGHT TO GET IN. I would rather see AJ run the wildcat but who wouldn't. You don't have to be big to be a good goal line back. It may help, but you need more.
3) Kubiak do not feel the definition of a successful is being able to run the ball 1 yard anytime you want to. We as fans will be happy with a win any way you get it. You have a team that can get in the position to WIN, you as a coach needs to UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAMS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES and create plays that will make this team effective in the RED ZONE and throughout the game.
4) For someone who values the RUN GAME you sure don't try to bring any talented running backs in. You could have had BENSON, maybe TAYLOR, even Adrian Peterson during the draft, but showed absolutely no interest in any of them.
What is you problem.
5) You kept trotting Fred Bennett out expecting different results.
6) You keep thinking you can be successful with your undersized line.
7) KUBIAK READ THE ABOVE ABOUT INSANITY AGAIN. REALLY THINK ABOUT, HARD.

I think the problem is the fans can see that this team is capable of more,
BUT THE COACHING IS KEEPING THEM FROM REACHING THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. If the talent on the team was just bad then there would not be as big an uproar. thanks[/QUOTE]

2009 Post Once insane always insane. See the "cherry coach" MS, Bush,.........

C"MON MCNAIR

Trap_Star
10-07-2013, 10:14 PM
he just needs to keep battling.

qqert
10-07-2013, 10:17 PM
matt is still our QB.

DocBar
10-07-2013, 10:24 PM
matt is still our QB.

My money says that one more pick 6 and we'll see JJ Watt ending any question of Schaub being our starting QB. The injury report will just read "massive trauma to entire body". Did y'all see the look on Watt's face after the last two games? That man does not tolerate losers. Hell, we might actually see Kubiak on the injury report if MS throws another pick 6.

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 10:35 PM
This is very knee jerk, but Marty Mornhinweg calls a good offensive game. Y'know, just in case we find ourselves in need of a offensive guru :corrosion:

Vance87
10-08-2013, 01:59 AM
I read a whole page of this thread before I realized it was from 4 years ago.

Holy sheeeet.


How are we in this SAME POSITION 4 years later? So much so that you can legitimately scroll through page 1 not realizing how old this thread is?

infantrycak
10-08-2013, 02:23 AM
I read a whole page of this thread before I realized it was from 4 years ago.

Holy sheeeet.


How are we in this SAME POSITION 4 years later? So much so that you can legitimately scroll through page 1 not realizing how old this thread is?

You can't read the OP and not realize how old it is even if the names were removed.

Vance87
10-08-2013, 02:33 AM
You can't read the OP and not realize how old it is even if the names were removed.

I said I scrolled through it.

Txn_in_Oki
10-08-2013, 03:02 AM
I read a whole page of this thread before I realized it was from 4 years ago.

Holy sheeeet.


How are we in this SAME POSITION 4 years later? So much so that you can legitimately scroll through page 1 not realizing how old this thread is?

I got to Chris Brown and felt my heart skip a beat... then looked at the date. As much as things change as much they stay the same.

Marcus
10-08-2013, 05:37 AM
Anyone who digs up a 4 year old thread is INSANE.

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 06:13 AM
This year's futility is very different than 2009's.

Anyone thinking it's the same thing should have done himself a favor & not told anyone.

gafftop
10-08-2013, 06:23 AM
This year's futility is very different than 2009's.

Anyone thinking it's the same thing should have done himself a favor & not told anyone.

I agree it is different. But Kubiak is insane if he thinks he can keep putting 2013MS out and get different results against DECENT teams.

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 07:00 AM
I agree it is different. But Kubiak is insane if he thinks he can keep putting 2013MS out and get different results against DECENT teams.

Insane

or Ballsy

jaayteetx
10-08-2013, 08:57 AM
I agree with this thread.

Thorn
10-08-2013, 09:42 AM
I see pitchforks and torches on the horizon. :pirate:

LOL. I posted that four years ago.

Say Watt
10-08-2013, 10:05 AM
I got to Chris Brown and felt my heart skip a beat... then looked at the date. As much as things change as much they stay the same.

I did the exact same thing. I started reading the thread thinking it was new. That is until I saw Chris Brown's name and had shivers shoot down my spine. Ewwww!

:kubepalm:

HTown2ATX
10-08-2013, 03:25 PM
I did the exact same thing. I started reading the thread thinking it was new. That is until I saw Chris Brown's name and had shivers shoot down my spine. Ewwww!

:kubepalm:
Bwahahaha was the same here. Seeing his name made me check the date.

htownfan32
10-08-2013, 03:26 PM
LOL. I posted that four years ago.

I admire your farsightedness, Thorn :bender:

TejasTom
10-10-2013, 12:10 PM
I read a whole page of this thread before I realized it was from 4 years ago.

Holy sheeeet.


How are we in this SAME POSITION 4 years later? So much so that you can legitimately scroll through page 1 not realizing how old this thread is?

I repped two posts on the first page before I realized.

DX-TEX
10-10-2013, 12:17 PM
The last dozen responses have been awesome! Yet sad at the same time...

guichows6
10-12-2013, 12:31 AM
God kubiak sucks..the guy is nutless when it comes to making the obvious tuff decisions..he is the problem.

gafftop
10-13-2013, 01:25 PM
See thread "Kubiak is Insane" I think that was started in 2009. The experiment is over. Kubiak has never had any success as a head coach. Any other team would have probably made move by now. Coaching DOES matter.

I for one include Smith in this house cleaning.

Just my opinion.

RTP2110
10-13-2013, 01:42 PM
Kubiak has established his legacy. 2011 and 2012 we anomalies.

RunningTheSouth
10-13-2013, 01:44 PM
As long as Kubiak & Schaub are gone!

TexansBlood
10-13-2013, 01:47 PM
Agreed.

We went from Superbowl contenders to a top 12 lottery pick team.


DISGUSTING.

hot pickle
10-13-2013, 01:48 PM
unless we lose all the game for the rest of the year, bob will think of some excuse to keep them around

amazing80
10-13-2013, 01:56 PM
its sad to see such a talented team wasted, time to throw all the management out the window...theyre all terrible.

PockyAF
10-13-2013, 02:07 PM
Before today, it was just a pipe dream..

But now I can honestly say we're bad enough to have a chance at Bridgewater

tedr
10-13-2013, 02:10 PM
Somebody will get fired tomorrow, right?

DocBar
10-13-2013, 02:23 PM
Somebody will get fired tomorrow, right?

With our luck Phillips would be named interim HC. Frying pan into the fire. I'm so depressed.

RCPM
10-13-2013, 02:23 PM
Somebody will get fired tomorrow, right?

Ummm, no.

WolverineFan
10-13-2013, 02:27 PM
Nobody will be fired. Not until the end of the year (if it even happens).

Kubiak should have been gone 3 years ago so why would anyone expect anything different at this point?

TexanExile
10-13-2013, 02:28 PM
With our luck Phillips would be named interim HC. Frying pan into the fire. I'm so depressed.

That would be fine with me at this point.

He can have the reins for the rest of the year, then retire when the new coach comes in and brings his own team.

Anything but this. Fans are starting to behave very, very badly.

TheIronDuke
10-13-2013, 02:28 PM
I could maybe see Marciano getting canned just as a scapegoat but even then I doubt it.

WolverineFan
10-13-2013, 02:30 PM
Double post

DocBar
10-13-2013, 02:38 PM
Hire Sumlin when we draft Johnny Autograph?

EllisUnit
10-13-2013, 02:39 PM
i want kubiak gone, i like rick smith though.

Mr. White
10-13-2013, 02:42 PM
I have no idea how Rick Smith and Chris Olsen have gotten a free pass on this disaster.

This all goes back to the sudden salary cap crisis that had us losing Winston and Brisiel. Somebody up there screwed up really bad.

Then they screwed up again when they let Glover Quin go and replaced him with Ed Reed.

amazing80
10-13-2013, 02:45 PM
I have no idea how Rick Smith and Chris Olsen have gotten a free pass on this disaster.

This all goes back to the sudden salary cap crisis that had us losing Winston and Brisiel. Somebody up there screwed up really bad.

Then they screwed up again when they let Glover Quin go and replaced him with Ed Reed.


Yes and no, we had to over pay for a long time to get quality players because we were terrible. Im hoping we are almost finally out of the hole here and can gain a little cap space in the next few seasons, at least enough to sign a few key guys

WolverineFan
10-13-2013, 02:49 PM
Rick Smith has drafted well, IMO. I think Wade is a big part of that because I believe Watt and Mercilus were his calls.

He certainly gaffed with the Quin/Reed situation this offseason and the Schaub extension was awful, although I believe he was forced into that.

I think we can win with Rick Smith. We cannot win with Gary Kubiak and that needs to be addressed immediately.

midway
10-13-2013, 03:07 PM
I could maybe see Marciano getting canned just as a scapegoat but even then I doubt it.

That wouldn't be a scapegoat, because special teams has been terrible for YEARS.

ATXtexanfan
10-13-2013, 03:08 PM
Smith had better separate his ass from kubiak starting now

gafftop
10-13-2013, 03:11 PM
I have no idea how Rick Smith and Chris Olsen have gotten a free pass on this disaster.

This all goes back to the sudden salary cap crisis that had us losing Winston and Brisiel. Somebody up there screwed up really bad.

Then they screwed up again when they let Glover Quin go and replaced him with Ed Reed.

I agree. Why do we want to keep Smith.
Maybe he has gotten the minor/small decisions correct but he has missed on the ones that determine greatness.
1. Gk is still here.
2. Ms was extended
3. I still say not trading Mario was big because with the money saved would have kept us out of salary cap HELL.

CLEAN THEM ALL OUT

Mr. White
10-13-2013, 03:20 PM
Rick Smith has drafted well, IMO. I think Wade is a big part of that because I believe Watt and Mercilus were his calls.

He certainly gaffed with the Quin/Reed situation this offseason and the Schaub extension was awful, although I believe he was forced into that.

I think we can win with Rick Smith. We cannot win with Gary Kubiak and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I've never heard anything that suggest that Rick Smith has any input in the draft. I think we assume that he does because his title is GM. Usually after the draft you hear "this coach wanted this guy and that coach wanted that guy" but they never say that a player was a Rick Smith pick.

Kubiak came from an organization where the GM ranks below the HC. Since Kubiak was involved in Rick Smith's hiring, I assume that's the case here.

gafftop
10-13-2013, 04:00 PM
Why were these two threads combined. Who does this?

HJam72
10-13-2013, 04:48 PM
Why were these two threads combined. Who does this?

Anybody can do it. We goof off that way. :boogereater:

thunderkyss
10-13-2013, 07:08 PM
Ok..... so I see many of you have given up on our Super Bowl hopes.

With that in mind, what would make this a successful season?

Nawzer
10-13-2013, 07:15 PM
Ok..... so I see many of you have given up on our Super Bowl hopes.

With that in mind, what would make this a successful season?

I never did believe this team was a serious Super Bowl contender. Go back to my posts from a few months ago and you'll see several posts why I state the Texans are not a Super Bowl team. And pretty much every single one of those reasons I stated has come true the exception being Schaub's ineptitude. I didn't know Schaub would be this bad. Bottom line is this: Kubiak has to go. No other way about it. I would've considered a good game in the AFC Championship a good season, but even that I considered a long shot.

silvrhand
10-13-2013, 07:16 PM
Ok..... so I see many of you have given up on our Super Bowl hopes.

With that in mind, what would make this a successful season?

The firing of Kubiak..

:bravo:

rmartin65
10-13-2013, 07:17 PM
Ok..... so I see many of you have given up on our Super Bowl hopes.

With that in mind, what would make this a successful season?

You cant move the goal posts during the season, with the exception of injuries. I expected a trip to the Super Bowl (not necessarily winning, just being there), and that is what I still expect for it to be a successful season.

Rey
10-13-2013, 07:43 PM
Ok..... so I see many of you have given up on our Super Bowl hopes.

With that in mind, what would make this a successful season?

Playing some back ups to see what we have for the next coach to work with.

chicagotexan2
10-13-2013, 07:48 PM
It has become more and more clear that Kubiak is not insane. Sticking with the same QB and un imaginative game plan shows he's incapable of coaching this team and he is inept.