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Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 12:57 AM
I'm so sick of hearing the garbage about Kubiak being this HC that's headed for greatness. All the guy does is lose games when they are in the palm of his hands. Blame it on the players, call them fluke situations, call it bad luck, whatever! But the bottom line is that this HC loses time after time when the Texans are so close and just right there, but something bad always happens. A bad call, a bad fumble, a pick, a Rosencopter play, and etc. You never know what it's going to be, but you just know that it's going to happen. Smart head coaches know how to consistently win these types of games. They may not win all of them, but they win most of them and find ways to win in the end. Gary Kubiak consistently loses in these situations and doesn't know how to close a team or knock them in the dirt and stomp on their face. He knows how to coach a team that slips at the end.

Bring in a coach that can manage games and win them. I'm sick of this 8-8 crap, because that's exactly where this team is heading. This team has shown time and time again, that it's got a ton of potential to become a great team, but they don't have a guy that can get them there.

beerlover
10-12-2009, 01:03 AM
I'm so sick of hearing the garbage about Kubiak being this HC that's headed for greatness. All the guy does is lose games when they are in the palm of his hands. Blame it on the players, call them fluke situations, call it bad luck, whatever! But the bottom line is that this HC loses time after time when the Texans are so close and just right there, but something bad always happens. A bad call, a bad fumble, a pick, a Rosencopter play, and etc. You never know what it's going to be, but you just know that it's going to happen. Smart head coaches know how to consistently win these types of games. They may not win all of them, but they win most of them and find ways to win in the end. Gary Kubiak consistently loses in these situations and doesn't know how to close a team or knock them in the dirt and stomp on their face. He knows how to coach a team that slips at the end.

Bring in a coach that can manage games and win them. I'm sick of this 8-8 crap, because that's exactly where this team is heading. This team has shown time and time again, that it's got a ton of potential to become a great team, but they don't have a guy that can get them there.

So close yet so far. take two get some rest & call me in the morning about 8:00 AM on sports radio 610 :barman:

Ckw
10-12-2009, 01:26 AM
I'm so sick of hearing the garbage about Kubiak being this HC that's headed for greatness. All the guy does is lose games when they are in the palm of his hands. Blame it on the players, call them fluke situations, call it bad luck, whatever! But the bottom line is that this HC loses time after time when the Texans are so close and just right there, but something bad always happens. A bad call, a bad fumble, a pick, a Rosencopter play, and etc. You never know what it's going to be, but you just know that it's going to happen. Smart head coaches know how to consistently win these types of games. They may not win all of them, but they win most of them and find ways to win in the end. Gary Kubiak consistently loses in these situations and doesn't know how to close a team or knock them in the dirt and stomp on their face. He knows how to coach a team that slips at the end.

Bring in a coach that can manage games and win them. I'm sick of this 8-8 crap, because that's exactly where this team is heading. This team has shown time and time again, that it's got a ton of potential to become a great team, but they don't have a guy that can get them there.

I don't think you are totally wrong but the loss today is anyone but Kubiak's fault. His second half adjustments were spectacular, although I still hold our 1st half play against him, but the loss was not Kubiak's fault. We had a great play to set up 2nd and goal but Brown couldn't get it in. Then another great play is called on the pass but Schaub blows the play and overthrows his target and then our offensive line sucks so bad that they can't even get enough of a push to get Brown into the end zone.

Kubiak may or may not be a good coach. His second half adjustments have gotten much better, he is better on challenges, and his clock management has been much better. Overall, I would say Kubiak is much better this year than in years past, and he may or may not put it all together.

Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 01:30 AM
I don't think you are totally wrong but the loss today is anyone but Kubiak's fault. His second half adjustments were spectacular, although I still hold our 1st half play against him, but the loss was not Kubiak's fault. We had a great play to set up 2nd and goal but Brown couldn't get it in. Then another great play is called on the pass but Schaub blows the play and overthrows his target and then our offensive line sucks so bad that they can't even get enough of a push to get Brown into the end zone.

Kubiak may or may not be a good coach. His second half adjustments have gotten much better, he is better on challenges, and his clock management has been much better. Overall, I would say Kubiak is much better this year than in years past, and he may or may not put it all together.

At the end of the day with him as the HC, this team doesn't KNOW HOW TO WIN. THey only know how to lose. I'm so sick of these "so close and almost there BUT............." games. Kubiak is a guy that doesn't know how to put teams away and come out on the winning side. I don't care about the good things and the bad things anymore. I care about WINS. That's what matters and this guy isn't a winner. He's a average HC and a guy that knows offense to a degree, but he's no guy that I want coaching my team. There are always epic blunders under his watch whether they are his fault or not, they still keep happening. I want a coach that coaches a team where this doesn't happen for several years and where players find ways to win and not fall short or not have epic meltdowns in every tight situation.

Goldensilence
10-12-2009, 01:32 AM
I don't think you are totally wrong but the loss today is anyone but Kubiak's fault. His second half adjustments were spectacular, although I still hold our 1st half play against him, but the loss was not Kubiak's fault. We had a great play to set up 2nd and goal but Brown couldn't get it in. Then another great play is called on the pass but Schaub blows the play and overthrows his target and then our offensive line sucks so bad that they can't even get enough of a push to get Brown into the end zone.

Kubiak may or may not be a good coach. His second half adjustments have gotten much better, he is better on challenges, and his clock management has been much better. Overall, I would say Kubiak is much better this year than in years past, and he may or may not put it all together.

I think that is the perfect phrase for him. may or may not be a good coach. It sounds just like the .500 ball his team plays.

dalemurphy
10-12-2009, 01:35 AM
I'm so sick of hearing the garbage about Kubiak being this HC that's headed for greatness. All the guy does is lose games when they are in the palm of his hands. Blame it on the players, call them fluke situations, call it bad luck, whatever! But the bottom line is that this HC loses time after time when the Texans are so close and just right there, but something bad always happens. A bad call, a bad fumble, a pick, a Rosencopter play, and etc. You never know what it's going to be, but you just know that it's going to happen. Smart head coaches know how to consistently win these types of games. They may not win all of them, but they win most of them and find ways to win in the end. Gary Kubiak consistently loses in these situations and doesn't know how to close a team or knock them in the dirt and stomp on their face. He knows how to coach a team that slips at the end.

Bring in a coach that can manage games and win them. I'm sick of this 8-8 crap, because that's exactly where this team is heading. This team has shown time and time again, that it's got a ton of potential to become a great team, but they don't have a guy that can get them there.


If they lose to Cincinnati or San Fran, I think I may concede. I think this team is on the cusp of playing really good football in all phases. I'm thrilled with the growth of the defense. But, if they can't go get a tough game at Cincy (but very winnable) and follow it up with a good performance against an undermanned SF team, then I will be forced to agree that Kubiak probably isn't the kind of leader this team needs. I fully expect to be 5-3 and trying to figure out how we can steal a game at INDY.. Anything less than 5-3 given the talent on this team (relative to: Cincy, SF, Buffalo) and it's good health, will be a failure on the part of the coaching staff.

Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 01:43 AM
If they lose to Cincinnati or San Fran, I think I may concede. I think this team is on the cusp of playing really good football in all phases. I'm thrilled with the growth of the defense. But, if they can't go get a tough game at Cincy (but very winnable) and follow it up with a good performance against an undermanned SF team, then I will be forced to agree that Kubiak probably isn't the kind of leader this team needs. I fully expect to be 5-3 and trying to figure out how we can steal a game at INDY.. Anything less than 5-3 given the talent on this team (relative to: Cincy, SF, Buffalo) and it's good health, will be a failure on the part of the coaching staff.

It's already been there, it's just that many of you "want" to believe that he just needs a little more time, but more time is just going to bring more failures and in reality there have been far enough failures already in such ridiculous situations now to see the writing on the wall.

You know what I've seen in this team? I've finally seen a team that can be a really good team and possibly a great team with just a few tweaks and twists and with a real voice in that locker room that can get these guys to believe that they're a great team and that they should win every game. Kubiak doesn't have any idea how to do that. He knows how to get an offense going and certain things that work, but he doesn't know how to make a team believe that they be like the Colts where they are supposed to win.

This team has shown me now that I can become a believer that they're ready to become a great team. They just need a HC that can win games and get them there.

Carr Bombed
10-12-2009, 01:47 AM
I think that is the perfect phrase for him. may or may not be a good coach. It sounds just like the .500 ball his team plays.

LMAO.......man, ain't that the truth http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Unhappy/unhappy-072.png (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Unhappy-Smileys.html)

mattieuk
10-12-2009, 01:55 AM
I just don't understand this kind of argument.

We 'knew' how to win, when beating the Titans, who we shouldn't have, in the situation we dug ourselves into. Did we forget again today?

No, we simply lost the game. Its not about mentality, its not about being a 'winning' team or a 'losing' team, its about just being edged out in the end.

Do we only employ a coach/assistant that has won 'x' number of Superbowls? Romeo Crennel Do we employ the flavor of the month college coach of the moment, like, say Saban?

We lost a close game of football. Another day we would have won it (and we did against the Titans). Thats about all there is to it. You can mull over the mistakes/great plays of the game, but its not about 'winningness' or anything like that.

Carr Bombed
10-12-2009, 02:08 AM
I just don't understand this kind of argument.

We 'knew' how to win, when beating the Titans, who we shouldn't have, in the situation we dug ourselves into. Did we forget again today?

No, we simply lost the game. Its not about mentality, its not about being a 'winning' team or a 'losing' team, its about just being edged out in the end.

Do we only employ a coach/assistant that has won 'x' number of Superbowls? Romeo Crennel Do we employ the flavor of the month college coach of the moment, like, say Saban?

We lost a close game of football. Another day we would have won it (and we did against the Titans). Thats about all there is to it. You can mull over the mistakes/great plays of the game, but its not about 'winningness' or anything like that.

So why even have head coaches in the NFL? Sorry, but a good coach can do more with less. We came out flat as hell and stayed flat throughout the first half...that helped cost us the ball game. We weren't ready to play. You're right though, this wasn't ALL on Kubiak, but he is also responsible for the loss........just wait, he'll tell you himself tomorrow :rolleyes:. (tap, tap, tap, tap......goes the fingers)

utahmark
10-12-2009, 02:16 AM
If they lose to Cincinnati or San Fran, I think I may concede. I think this team is on the cusp of playing really good football in all phases. I'm thrilled with the growth of the defense. But, if they can't go get a tough game at Cincy (but very winnable) and follow it up with a good performance against an undermanned SF team, then I will be forced to agree that Kubiak probably isn't the kind of leader this team needs. I fully expect to be 5-3 and trying to figure out how we can steal a game at INDY.. Anything less than 5-3 given the talent on this team (relative to: Cincy, SF, Buffalo) and it's good health, will be a failure on the part of the coaching staff.

not sure how winnable that cincy game is. that and the indy game may be our 2 toughest road games all year.

dalemurphy
10-12-2009, 02:23 AM
not sure how winnable that cincy game is. that and the indy game may be our 2 toughest road games all year.

Arizona and Indy are the two toughest rode games of the year. I'm not suggesting that Arizona is better than Cincy. But, they are a much tougher matchup for us and an excellent home team. If we play well, we beat Cincy.

mattieuk
10-12-2009, 02:26 AM
So why even have head coaches in the NFL? Sorry, but a good coach can do more with less. We came out flat as hell and stayed flat throughout the first half...that helped cost us the ball game. We weren't ready to play. You're right though, this wasn't ALL on Kubiak, but he is also responsible for the loss........just wait, he'll tell you himself tomorrow :rolleyes:. (tap, tap, tap, tap......goes the fingers)

A head coach will always have responsibility for a loss, alongside a multitude of others. As a matter of fact, I put a good sized portion of blame for this loss on Kubiak, I think the play-calling was very suspect at times, I would like to know what adjustments were made for the 2nd half (as I saw it, there weren't many to the offense, which leads me to suspect that there was at most a motivation issue there, at least, just 'one of those days' where things aren't clicking).

But, that is picking holes out of what I genuinely believe was a pretty decent performance, which we got edged out in. The way I see it is, without Kubes and his team doing a sterling job with the offense, that I am fairly confident wouldn't have been done under another coach. Schaub's QB play has come on leaps and bounds from when he first joined us, we have manage to acquire a very nice group of WRs and TEs that haven't cost very much (i.e. we don't need to pay R.Williams money for a decent number 2). The only thing that still needs going over is the Oline, and that is still very much work in progress.

Defensively, I can sure as hell see how much it has improved over last years defense. Heck, we even saw Reeves come in, make plays and attack the ball (I can't remember singing his praises a whole ton last year...). Our linebackers are solid, our Dline is looking pretty nice. We're moving forward, in a way which can produce long term stability, and a solid team for a good 5/6 years to come, and not produce the superficial Browns/Dolphins success which is great in the short term, but soon falls flat on its face.

spurstexanstros
10-12-2009, 10:16 AM
I'm so sick of hearing the garbage about Kubiak being this HC that's headed for greatness. All the guy does is lose games when they are in the palm of his hands. Blame it on the players, call them fluke situations, call it bad luck, whatever! But the bottom line is that this HC loses time after time when the Texans are so close and just right there, but something bad always happens. A bad call, a bad fumble, a pick, a Rosencopter play, and etc. You never know what it's going to be, but you just know that it's going to happen. Smart head coaches know how to consistently win these types of games. They may not win all of them, but they win most of them and find ways to win in the end. Gary Kubiak consistently loses in these situations and doesn't know how to close a team or knock them in the dirt and stomp on their face. He knows how to coach a team that slips at the end.

Bring in a coach that can manage games and win them. I'm sick of this 8-8 crap, because that's exactly where this team is heading. This team has shown time and time again, that it's got a ton of potential to become a great team, but they don't have a guy that can get them there.

I disagree.. any change at the HC position would set us years back. Say goodbye to AJ, Demeco and OD. The Texans are better than they were last year at this time and continue to make progress. They say this is a game of inches and yesterday was an example of how close this team is to be a winning team. No need to set them back by miles.

Mr. White
10-12-2009, 10:23 AM
I disagree.. any change at the HC position would set us years back.

Signed,

Sean Payton
Tony Sparano
and Mike Smith

mussop
10-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Arizona and Indy are the two toughest rode games of the year. I'm not suggesting that Arizona is better than Cincy. But, they are a much tougher matchup for us and an excellent home team. If we play well, we beat Cincy.

I dont know Dalemurphy, they look pretty good against the Ravens. They made several mistakes in that game but were able to overcome them. They seem to be coming together as a team. I think we are catching them at the worst possible time.

Spike
10-12-2009, 10:31 AM
I disagree.. any change at the HC position would set us years back. Say goodbye to AJ, Demeco and OD. The Texans are better than they were last year at this time and continue to make progress. They say this is a game of inches and yesterday was an example of how close this team is to be a winning team. No need to set them back by miles.


I don't know if this is right or wrong. I have been thinking about this all morning. There is an argument that if we bring someone new in, we are starting all over again. I guess that depends on the guy.

I do think that you find a coach that recognizes that we have 95% of the pieces in place and can figure out how to fill that void, without tearing everything apart. Sometimes, you just need a new voice to get you over the hump.

I think this team is on the cusp. The truth is, this team hasn't come out and played 4 quarters of football in a game. I know, I know...no team plays well every quarter all year, but it shouldn't be the exception to the rule. Heck, if we play 3 quarters of good football on offense and defense, we are probably 3-2, maybe 4-1 right now.

Kubes has 11 games to show what he can do. These close losses aren't doing anything for him. I think we have to win 10 games for him to save his job.

mussop
10-12-2009, 10:31 AM
Signed,

Sean Payton
Tony Sparano
and Mike Smith

You left off Rex Ryan

Dread-Head
10-12-2009, 10:32 AM
Kubiak didn't throw that Interception that put the Cardinals back in the lead, nor did he over throw a receiver in the endzone at any point in the game.

Spike
10-12-2009, 10:33 AM
You left off Rex Ryan

....and Josh McDaniels.

Texan_Bill
10-12-2009, 10:37 AM
Kubiak didn't throw that Interception that put the Cardinals back in the lead, nor did he over throw a receiver in the endzone at any point in the game.

But it was Kubiak's fault that Dreessen's toe missed the end line by an inch. :worm:

Marcus
10-12-2009, 10:39 AM
Kubiak didn't throw that Interception that put the Cardinals back in the lead, nor did he over throw a receiver in the endzone at any point in the game.

They don't want to hear any of that, Dread. Don't rain on their vent parade.

:)

Mr. White
10-12-2009, 10:42 AM
They don't want to hear any of that, Dread. Don't rain on their vent parade.

:)

I wonder who started the vent parade? (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1247223&postcount=1)

noxiousdog
10-12-2009, 10:44 AM
....and Josh McDaniels.

What about Schwartz, Haley, Cable, Mora, Spagnuolo, or Morris?

But I agree, a change won't set us back, unless we pick a worse coach than Kubiak.

HoustonFrog
10-12-2009, 10:46 AM
I think for an offensive guru his playcalling in crunch time has been suspect.

Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 11:49 AM
I disagree.. any change at the HC position would set us years back. Say goodbye to AJ, Demeco and OD. The Texans are better than they were last year at this time and continue to make progress. They say this is a game of inches and yesterday was an example of how close this team is to be a winning team. No need to set them back by miles.


This assertion that are team would be set back for years is so freaking crazy, I don't even know where to begin. It all depends on who you hire. You don't go out and hire someone that wants to blow the whole thing up. You hire someone that thinks you've got some nice pieces and can make suttle changes and bring in a few players here and there and turn what you have into a winner. We have a good enough team to be a winning team. Our HC sucks and that's the problem. Kubes isn't a winner.

Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 11:54 AM
Kubiak didn't throw that Interception that put the Cardinals back in the lead, nor did he over throw a receiver in the endzone at any point in the game.

Nope, he just put our team's chances on Chris Brown again, who already costed us one game two weeks ago and hasn't gotten anywhere on any of his runs inside the 5. Chris Brown has been like 1 for 6 inside the 5 in his opportunities this season, and that's who you trust to punch it in at the end of the game for your team??? And you call a running play when your O line is one of the worst in the league at run blocking, and has been awful all game long at run blocking? You call a running play on your last chance??? That was just stupid. The only part of our offense that did anything was through the passing game. All of our TD's all season long has been through the passing game, not the run. He didn't play with our strength, he played with our weakness, the run. Kubes is clueless as a HC.

HoustonFrog
10-12-2009, 12:26 PM
....and Josh McDaniels.

Exactly. It's amazing that some guys can make a difference but slow and steady here. One more year...................

Goldensilence
10-12-2009, 12:42 PM
I disagree.. any change at the HC position would set us years back. Say goodbye to AJ, Demeco and OD. The Texans are better than they were last year at this time and continue to make progress. They say this is a game of inches and yesterday was an example of how close this team is to be a winning team. No need to set them back by miles.

Any backup for the assertion that a new HC means we'd have to say goodbye to Demeco, OD and AJ?

AJ is signed long term. OD signed his tender deal. Demeco's contract is due up at the end of the year, both are going to be subject to nextyear being uncapped. You're seriously going to go offthe cliff and say a new coaching staff doesn't want to sign a pro-bowl TE and MLB? Whatever dude.

Problem is unless we decide to hire someone who is worse then Kubiak I don't think this team steps backwards. There are some big names out there looking to get back into coaching. I'm also sure there are some motivated assistant coaches out there who are chomping at the bit to prove they have what it takes to be a HC.

Sorry but it took Kubiak 3 years to put this team together that as you so eloquently point out is "just inches away from being good". On the other hand I see organization make the turn within a year. Did you watch the Falcons yesterday? THAT my friend is a turn around.

I just got to ask at what point are you no longer willing to wait for the team to get that inch into being a good team?

badboy
10-12-2009, 12:51 PM
I don't think you are totally wrong but the loss today is anyone but Kubiak's fault. His second half adjustments were spectacular, although I still hold our 1st half play against him, but the loss was not Kubiak's fault. We had a great play to set up 2nd and goal but Brown couldn't get it in. Then another great play is called on the pass but Schaub blows the play and overthrows his target and then our offensive line sucks so bad that they can't even get enough of a push to get Brown into the end zone.

Kubiak may or may not be a good coach. His second half adjustments have gotten much better, he is better on challenges, and his clock management has been much better. Overall, I would say Kubiak is much better this year than in years past, and he may or may not put it all together.What should Kubes have done differently in first half? I have my idea but want yours.

badboy
10-12-2009, 12:57 PM
At the end of the day with him as the HC, this team doesn't KNOW HOW TO WIN. THey only know how to lose. I'm so sick of these "so close and almost there BUT............." games. Kubiak is a guy that doesn't know how to put teams away and come out on the winning side. I don't care about the good things and the bad things anymore. I care about WINS. That's what matters and this guy isn't a winner. He's a average HC and a guy that knows offense to a degree, but he's no guy that I want coaching my team. There are always epic blunders under his watch whether they are his fault or not, they still keep happening. I want a coach that coaches a team where this doesn't happen for several years and where players find ways to win and not fall short or not have epic meltdowns in every tight situation.As of 10/12/09 17 teams are 500 or below.
http://www.nfl.com/standings

Ckw
10-12-2009, 01:53 PM
At the end of the day with him as the HC, this team doesn't KNOW HOW TO WIN. THey only know how to lose. I'm so sick of these "so close and almost there BUT............." games. Kubiak is a guy that doesn't know how to put teams away and come out on the winning side. I don't care about the good things and the bad things anymore. I care about WINS. That's what matters and this guy isn't a winner. He's a average HC and a guy that knows offense to a degree, but he's no guy that I want coaching my team. There are always epic blunders under his watch whether they are his fault or not, they still keep happening. I want a coach that coaches a team where this doesn't happen for several years and where players find ways to win and not fall short or not have epic meltdowns in every tight situation.

I'm just not so sure a coach can teach a guy how to win. After over 10 years of playing in high school, college, and the pros for most of these guys, there is a big problem if they don't already "know how to win". Now maybe you are right and Kubiak is just bad luck and causes his players to screw up. Your quote in bold is what really gets me and why I am unsure about the whole situation. As Houston sports fans, are we just cursed to continue to watch teams screw up time and time again or are the epic blunders really Kubiak's fault?

I think that is the perfect phrase for him. may or may not be a good coach. It sounds just like the .500 ball his team plays.

Very clever! :clap:

If they lose to Cincinnati or San Fran, I think I may concede. I think this team is on the cusp of playing really good football in all phases. I'm thrilled with the growth of the defense. But, if they can't go get a tough game at Cincy (but very winnable) and follow it up with a good performance against an undermanned SF team, then I will be forced to agree that Kubiak probably isn't the kind of leader this team needs. I fully expect to be 5-3 and trying to figure out how we can steal a game at INDY.. Anything less than 5-3 given the talent on this team (relative to: Cincy, SF, Buffalo) and it's good health, will be a failure on the part of the coaching staff.

I totally agree with you. I don't think it is Kubiak's fault that our interior line is probably the worst in the NFL, and I also don't think it is his fault that our offense had their head so far up their own asses they couldn't stay on the field during the first half. I have seen improvement, especially defensively, but I do agree that if we can't pull out wins against Cinci and SF and at least get to 4-3, then Kubiak may need to go at the end of the season.

It's already been there, it's just that many of you "want" to believe that he just needs a little more time, but more time is just going to bring more failures and in reality there have been far enough failures already in such ridiculous situations now to see the writing on the wall.

I think the problem is the way this team loses. At times, Gary seems like the right man for the job. The players seem to respect him and defend him but for some reason, this franchise just can't seem to get over the hump. We upgraded from Dom to Gary but was it enough of an upgrade?

What I also think you don't seem to understand is many of us are holding out hope simply because we are so close. We have watched pathetic football for much of this franchise's history, but it seems those days are coming to an end. But for some reason, we just can't seem to take the next step. We've finally had two straight non-losing seasons, so now it's time to actually have a winning season. We are close, but maybe Gary isn't the guy to take us to the next step. Maybe.

You know what I've seen in this team? I've finally seen a team that can be a really good team and possibly a great team with just a few tweaks and twists and with a real voice in that locker room that can get these guys to believe that they're a great team and that they should win every game. Kubiak doesn't have any idea how to do that. He knows how to get an offense going and certain things that work, but he doesn't know how to make a team believe that they be like the Colts where they are supposed to win.

You really have no evidence to base this on. You haven't been in the locker room that I know of and you likely haven't heard players question his leadership or his motivational skills. Every chance they get, the players seem to defend him. Having a line that sucks so bad they can't even get enough push for our RB to get 1 freakin foot is not Kubiak's fault. We could possibly be sitting at 4-1 if our line could just do that.

This team has shown me now that I can become a believer that they're ready to become a great team. They just need a HC that can win games and get them there.

I think you are Second Honeymood should get together and hang out. You two would have a grand ole time together. :)

I just don't understand this kind of argument.

We 'knew' how to win, when beating the Titans, who we shouldn't have, in the situation we dug ourselves into. Did we forget again today?

No, we simply lost the game. Its not about mentality, its not about being a 'winning' team or a 'losing' team, its about just being edged out in the end.

Do we only employ a coach/assistant that has won 'x' number of Superbowls? Romeo Crennel Do we employ the flavor of the month college coach of the moment, like, say Saban?

We lost a close game of football. Another day we would have won it (and we did against the Titans). Thats about all there is to it. You can mull over the mistakes/great plays of the game, but its not about 'winningness' or anything like that.

Exactly. Great post man and rep your way. We could very easily be sitting at 4-1 which is what makes this whole thing so difficult. I have seen Kubiak make plenty of mistakes but lately, the losing hasn't appeared to really be his fault. We have had plenty of opportunities to win games, but our players have blown those opportunities not Gary Kubiak.

So why even have head coaches in the NFL? Sorry, but a good coach can do more with less. We came out flat as hell and stayed flat throughout the first half...that helped cost us the ball game. We weren't ready to play. You're right though, this wasn't ALL on Kubiak, but he is also responsible for the loss........just wait, he'll tell you himself tomorrow :rolleyes:. (tap, tap, tap, tap......goes the fingers)

And this is the other side of the argument. I can't disagree with you either. I still stick with my statement from yesterday. Maybe Gary is a good coach and maybe he isn't. This team is confusing that's all I can say. At times, we can look like real contenders; others times, we look like the worst team in the league.