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HouSportsWriter
10-12-2009, 12:21 AM
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time

StevieWonder
10-12-2009, 12:36 AM
Yeah, he made a mistake that added to the list of things we wish we could have back. But look at that face and try to stay mad.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu212/Genrl_Gweevus/schaubfaceEDIT2.jpg

a bloo bloo bloo

m5kwatts
10-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Yeah but without Schaub it probably would have been 21-0 with no chance to even drive to win it.

Showtime100
10-12-2009, 12:46 AM
I'm still on the warpath with the play calling in those crucial situations. Freaking horrible. Schaub made a bad mistake, but I can't hang this on him. That mistake should have been overcome.

Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 12:48 AM
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time

This is a joke.

Norg
10-12-2009, 02:47 AM
schaub made mastikes but they are easily fixible

Scooter
10-12-2009, 03:18 AM
given the FUBAR first half gameplan, schaub had a relatively solid game. he air-mailed more passes than we're used to, but he also did better than we're used to in the second half of negotiating the pocket in formations he's comfortable with. first half goes squarely on the coaching staff ... and since we wholly lost the first half, i blame the coaching staff.

Goatcheese
10-12-2009, 03:22 AM
Yeah, he made a mistake that added to the list of things we wish we could have back. But look at that face and try to stay mad.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu212/Genrl_Gweevus/schaubfaceEDIT2.jpg

a bloo bloo bloo

Sad Schaub is sad. Except if he's mad! Except if he's glad! Unless he just dragged the team kicking and screaming to within a few inches of tying up what looked like a blow out! :bubbles:

Tedc
10-12-2009, 06:45 AM
Schaub threw for 371 yards and controlled the clock on the road against a good team with passing. Mistakes happen but he got you to the tie and he got you to the goal line with plenty of time.

Blame our o-line play. We are getting used by d-lines across the NFL and it starts with the center. I am not sure what the coaching staff is thinking or how many games it will take before they get a clue. Fix the line, and you fix the season.

This team is explosive and I would love to see some Slaton runs to polish off a nice win but I am afraid we may have to wait for the next coaching staff for that.

silvrhand
10-12-2009, 07:44 AM
Schaub threw for 371 yards and controlled the clock on the road against a good team with passing. Mistakes happen but he got you to the tie and he got you to the goal line with plenty of time.

Blame our o-line play. We are getting used by d-lines across the NFL and it starts with the center. I am not sure what the coaching staff is thinking or how many games it will take before they get a clue. Fix the line, and you fix the season.

This team is explosive and I would love to see some Slaton runs to polish off a nice win but I am afraid we may have to wait for the next coaching staff for that.

I've mentioned this a few times, take away Schaubb's primary read and he can't make the progression fast enough and then ends up holding the ball too long and then eats the sack. He can't make his reads fast enough and I think the tell tale signs of a good defense figuring him out is starting to happen.

- His accuracy the first half was HORRID.
- Missed a couple wide open people.
- is about as mobile as a one legged old man.
- just can't get it done.

he's a stopgap measure, and not the QB to take us through the playoffs. If you want to skirt with making the playoffs, or do you want a superbowl? If it's the latter Schaubb isn't the guy.

Texan_Bill
10-12-2009, 08:45 AM
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.

El Tejano
10-12-2009, 09:01 AM
Schaub started getting hot too late. I can't get mad for the game he put together but he did get hot too late and then threw the pick, and had the bad play from the 1. He was off pretty much all day.

That being said, I do like how I never feel like we are out of the game because Schaub has this calmness about him that I can't explain and I think it gets contagious with the rest of the team. I kinda feel like Schaub is in Warren Moon's early stage of his career- Just really inconsistent with alot of weapons. Once we get these small things fixed this team can be even more dangerous.

gwallaia
10-12-2009, 09:08 AM
He also threw for 371 yards and two TD's.

davemundy
10-12-2009, 09:20 AM
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time

Gary has said that Schaub is one step removed from being among the elite quarterbacks in the league. The pick was him trying to force something when nothing was there, as was the throw to Johnson on 4th and 1. When he has the maturity to recognize when nothing is there, he will be among that elite.

gtexan02
10-12-2009, 09:22 AM
That throw for a pick 6 was a killer.
He also had a bad throw to a wide open OD that would have scored a TD
He also had a throw way over the head of a wide open Joel Dreesen that would have tied it

He could have called a sneak or demanded the ball.

Schaub had a good game, but he's certainly part of this loss

Goatcheese
10-12-2009, 09:23 AM
With 5 games in the books I've got enough meaningful data to do Schaub's 3rd season projection.

Are folks really complaining about this guy? :texflag:

Cjeremy635
10-12-2009, 09:32 AM
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.

What he said. My only knock on Schaub is that he appears to be a slow starter for the most part. Hell, the team as a whole is a slow starter. They always say that they need to come out and start fast, but for some reason that rarely/never seems to happen. We fall behind really fast and then are forced to play catch up the rest of the game.

spurstexanstros
10-12-2009, 10:12 AM
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time

Hmmm if Slaton was a beast and could get us one yard Texans would be 5-1 right now.

Yankee_In_TX
10-12-2009, 11:04 AM
My only bone to pick with Schaud is him refusing to admit the pick or the missed TD to Dressen were badly timed throws.

TexansBlood
10-12-2009, 11:10 AM
I agree Shaub lost this game for us and not Kubiak. Shaub fell asleep the first half and had overthrown and bad passes also threw a deep ball to AJ on 4th and 1 and even Kubiak got in his face.. He finally woke up in the second half but threw that pick and on 3rd and goal with 1 min left he had no pressure around him and his throw was to high for the wide open receiver....

Livid13
10-12-2009, 11:11 AM
I've mentioned this a few times, take away Schaubb's primary read and he can't make the progression fast enough and then ends up holding the ball too long and then eats the sack. He can't make his reads fast enough and I think the tell tale signs of a good defense figuring him out is starting to happen.

- His accuracy the first half was HORRID.
- Missed a couple wide open people.
- is about as mobile as a one legged old man.
- just can't get it done.

he's a stopgap measure, and not the QB to take us through the playoffs. If you want to skirt with making the playoffs, or do you want a superbowl? If it's the latter Schaubb isn't the guy.

The key interception was thrown like a lollipop . He had NO juice on the ball at all. Oh yeah, he's the guy that brought us back from a 21-0 deficit. Schaub is not the problem, as usual, it's the offensive line. Blood, Schaub did NOT lose this game. The "D" did their job in the second half, but it's next to impossible to spot 21 unanswered points and get a win. What's with this Schaub hating ?

IlliniJen
10-12-2009, 11:13 AM
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.

I had to give you rep on this one. Now I feel so dirty! :)

BrandonLwowski
10-12-2009, 11:14 AM
i dont think schaub lost the game...he is one of the reasons we came back...he did throw and interception...that happens to the best of them...the only thing that disapoints me is how did he miss this throw...he is wide open :( http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2509/4005238268_701e3ca15b.jpg

Texan_Bill
10-12-2009, 11:14 AM
I had to give you rep on this one. Now I feel so dirty! :)

;) lmao!!

Dread-Head
10-12-2009, 11:17 AM
He did...but it happens. That's life. Unfortunately...it's OUR life.

HoustonFrog
10-12-2009, 11:18 AM
Hmmm if Slaton was a beast and could get us one yard Texans would be 5-1 right now.

No that is a QB that can win games that haven't even been played yet!!:smiliedance:

With that smart ass statement presented I'd like to say that he isn't the problem here.

Mr. White
10-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Now I feel so dirty! :)

That's not the first time he's heard that from a lady....

AnthonyE
10-12-2009, 11:30 AM
What Schaub did yesterday damn near won us the game. If it weren't for him, there would be no 21 point come back, and we wouldn't have been in the position to win it with less than a minute remaining. He made two bad throws yesterday. The interception, and the 3rd down incompletion on the goal line. The play calling for the last 4 plays was atrocious. I'm not convinced Chris Brown makes a good goal line back. Or even an adequate one.

badboy
10-12-2009, 11:38 AM
I've mentioned this a few times, take away Schaubb's primary read and he can't make the progression fast enough and then ends up holding the ball too long and then eats the sack. He can't make his reads fast enough and I think the tell tale signs of a good defense figuring him out is starting to happen.

- His accuracy the first half was HORRID.
- Missed a couple wide open people.
- is about as mobile as a one legged old man.
- just can't get it done.

he's a stopgap measure, and not the QB to take us through the playoffs. If you want to skirt with making the playoffs, or do you want a superbowl? If it's the latter Schaubb isn't the guy.
I agreed with you except for the bold. He can get it done and then some. Most of his errors are mental or trying to force something like the ball that sailed out of the end zone to Dreesen (I think) when Schaub threw off balance. He had time to set and fire a better ball. The INT at end of game was a mental error as you stated because he did not start the throw in time. DRC may have still made the INT. The issue is a better game plan. Seems like Shanny may have gotten his butt chewed also at halftime and responded like his players. Other than the running game, most of what I saw can be fixed.

badboy
10-12-2009, 11:42 AM
Schaub started getting hot too late. I can't get mad for the game he put together but he did get hot too late and then threw the pick, and had the bad play from the 1. He was off pretty much all day.

That being said, I do like how I never feel like we are out of the game because Schaub has this calmness about him that I can't explain and I think it gets contagious with the rest of the team. I kinda feel like Schaub is in Warren Moon's early stage of his career- Just really inconsistent with alot of weapons. Once we get these small things fixed this team can be even more dangerous.
Did Matt get hot or did the OC change the battle plan in 3rd to finally take advantage of the Cards weakness? Both teams had rep of weak running games and pass defenses. Both have good QBs and great receivers. It is fairly obvious which offense had the better first half game plan. That is not on the QB.

badboy
10-12-2009, 11:44 AM
With 5 games in the books I've got enough meaningful data to do Schaub's 3rd season projection.

Are folks really complaining about this guy? :texflag:Yes, because what he does wrong is glaring.

IlliniJen
10-12-2009, 11:50 AM
That's not the first time he's heard that from a lady....

A lady he hasn't paid? :whip:

BrandonLwowski
10-14-2009, 11:31 AM
After schaubs bad throw in the endzone...did yall see thos 3 crazy cards fans stopping on the ground when the ref said no touchdown...watch the highlight real again its funny

Double Barrel
10-14-2009, 11:38 AM
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.

yep. Like Earl Campbell said the next day on a 790 interview, a team that can't get 1 yard when they need it doesn't have a running back. And a running back that can't get 1 yard when the team needs it shouldn't be on the field.

I can't blame Schaub for the loss. Yeah, he made a mistake, but quite a few QBs have thrown a pick 6 this season. The TEAM lost this one, from the coaches on down.

76Texan
10-14-2009, 11:45 AM
yep. Like Earl Campbell said the next day on a 790 interview, a team that can't get 1 yard when they need it doesn't have a running back. And a running back that can't get 1 yard when the team needs it shouldn't be on the field.

I can't blame Schaub for the loss. Yeah, he made a mistake, but quite a few QBs have thrown a pick 6 this season. The TEAM lost this one, from the coaches on down.

It's true that we failed on a couple of 1yd run. That's on the running game (1), and that's include the RB, and everyone blocking on those plays - not just the O-line - most noticeably, the TEs.

But Schaub also has to take a big share of the blame, since he did not make just one bad decision; he made at least 3 that I can remember.

The INT, the pass to Dreessen, and the throw into double coverage to AJ.

The O-line had their bad and good moments in the passing game as well, they should share a load of the blame just the same.

TimeKiller
10-14-2009, 12:58 PM
Every QB in the league is going to throw an INT. It happens.

-1 smart point for anyone who thinks otherwise. Schaub is like, the bestest most super awesome stop gap measure ever. Eugene Wilson is a stop gap measure fools.

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 01:49 PM
Every QB in the league is going to throw an INT. It happens.

-1 smart point for anyone who thinks otherwise. Schaub is like, the bestest most super awesome stop gap measure ever. Eugene Wilson is a stop gap measure fools.

First I don't think I'm a fool...

Second:

- schaub missed AJ in the first half for a sure TD.
- schaub missed several other open receivers in the first half.
- schaub threw a pick 6 for a TD
- schaub missed the TE wide open in the backfield.

Schaub had some good stats, but who cares about stats when we don't win the game. If you want to judge someone by their stats that's fine but I could care less long as we win the game. Did he win us the game nope, did his stats cover us some of his really bad play for 3/4 of the game. Yes.

He's not a winner, he's not vocal, he doesn't even seem to be a leader for this team. I want a winner at QB period.

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 01:59 PM
First I don't think I'm a fool...

Second:

- schaub missed AJ in the first half for a sure TD.
- schaub missed several other open receivers in the first half.
- schaub threw a pick 6 for a TD
- schaub missed the TE wide open in the backfield.

Schaub had some good stats, but who cares about stats when we don't win the game. If you want to judge someone by their stats that's fine but I could care less long as we win the game. Did he win us the game nope, did his stats cover us some of his really bad play for 3/4 of the game. Yes.

He's not a winner, he's not vocal, he doesn't even seem to be a leader for this team. I want a winner at QB period.


Well Schaub may not be the best guy in the league, but where would we find someone better right now or next year? Are you suggesting that the Texans draft a QB with their first pick?

Schuab is having the best season of his career. I was a doubter of his for a long time as far as his health and how good he could really be. I think he's been great this season from what I could expect from him. He's answered a lot of my questions about him. He's stood in the pocket and made good throws all year long. He's missed a few WR's here and there, but so will every QB. He isn't the most accurate guy in the league, but when I consider everything else he's giving us right now, I"LL TAKE IT. Schaub has had to play on a team that has no running game as well which isn't his fault and he's pretty much carried this offense on his shoulders.

He has gotten the team down the field twice now where the RB's couldn't punch it in. That's no on Schaub. Sure he missed the throw, but at least he got us down there which wasn't easy and brought the team back from being down 21 points.

The QB position has been a problem for the Texans in the last 7 years and this is the first year where it isn't a problem and it's been a positive. I like what Schaub is doing and I think he continues to improve.

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 02:09 PM
The QB position has been a problem for the Texans in the last 7 years and this is the first year where it isn't a problem and it's been a positive. I like what Schaub is doing and I think he continues to improve.

Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 02:20 PM
Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.

I don't know what Carr has to do with this. Schaub has played pretty good in every game but the Jets game. Carr is a joke and is barely even still in the league.

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 02:26 PM
I don't know what Carr has to do with this. Schaub has played pretty good in every game but the Jets game. Carr is a joke and is barely even still in the league.

Got sidetracked 3 people came into my office wasn't able to finish my thoughts sorry about that.

I meant to say our previous QB options have been problematic cause of our swiss cheese OL. If you look at the stats that our backups and where our old QB's are at now they aren't doing too bad.

Schaub has a lot of issues IMHO, and the only reason he puts up as good as stats as he does is simply cause we have some decent pass blocking these days and some stud WR sets. He's an average QB with an excellent set of tools. He's 3 years into it and he doesn't seem to have made much progress on improving his game.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2009, 02:33 PM
Got sidetracked 3 people came into my office wasn't able to finish my thoughts sorry about that.

I meant to say our previous QB options have been problematic cause of our swiss cheese OL. If you look at the stats that our backups and where our old QB's are at now they aren't doing too bad.

Schaub has a lot of issues IMHO, and the only reason he puts up as good as stats as he does is simply cause we have some decent pass blocking these days and some stud WR sets. He's an average QB with an excellent set of tools. He's 3 years into it and he doesn't seem to have made much progress on improving his game.

Huh? Right now, he's on pace to throw for about 4,200+ yards and 30 TD's.

JDizzle
10-14-2009, 02:33 PM
I meant to say our previous QB options have been problematic cause of our swiss cheese OL. If you look at the stats that our backups and where our old QB's are at now they aren't doing too bad.


This is really one of the craziest things I've ever read. You are reaching a very high level of insanity with this post.

BigBull17
10-14-2009, 02:33 PM
What Schaub did yesterday damn near won us the game. If it weren't for him, there would be no 21 point come back, and we wouldn't have been in the position to win it with less than a minute remaining. He made two bad throws yesterday. The interception, and the 3rd down incompletion on the goal line. The play calling for the last 4 plays was atrocious. I'm not convinced Chris Brown makes a good goal line back. Or even an adequate one.

The pick wasn't a great play call anyway. The ten yard out takes a QB with a really good arm. Schaub is a good QB, but he isn't THAT QB. He doesn't have a cannon, which it takes to throw a ten yard out from the opposite sideline. Kinda put him in a bad position, and DRC made a GREAT jump on it.

I can't believe people really want Schaub gone so bad. Makes no sense.

BigBull17
10-14-2009, 02:41 PM
Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.

If Schaub were on the market, how long do you think it would take for him to be nabbed? How many teams would LOVE him as their QB? Who do you want, Tebow? Bradford? McCoy? Those guys will all be 3 years from ready.

infantrycak
10-14-2009, 02:44 PM
Schaub has a lot of issues IMHO, and the only reason he puts up as good as stats as he does is simply cause we have some decent pass blocking these days and some stud WR sets. He's an average QB with an excellent set of tools. He's 3 years into it and he doesn't seem to have made much progress on improving his game.

You are really fooling yourself. Schaub was moving in the pocket and standing up to hits to get the ball out all day long. Stick HWWNBN in those same 50 plays and the completions go down from 35 to 25-30 with more importantly the yardage going down from 371 to 171 as it becomes a dump off game only. Plus there would have been a couple INT's as Carr gets jumped on an 8 yard hitch and 4-6 sacks.

For anyone who wants to invoke HWWNBN:

76 games - 12 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Schaub

27 games - 11 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Huh? Right now, he's on pace to throw for about 4,200+ yards and 30 TD's.

Exactly. Sure mistakes are made. Manning makes mistakes. This is mind boggling. He is much closer to the verge of elite than he is to shouldn't be a starter.

BigBull17
10-14-2009, 02:52 PM
You are really fooling yourself. Schaub was moving in the pocket and standing up to hits to get the ball out all day long. Stick HWWNBN in those same 50 plays and the completions go down from 35 to 25-30 with more importantly the yardage going down from 371 to 171 as it becomes a dump off game only. Plus there would have been a couple INT's as Carr gets jumped on an 8 yard hitch and 4-6 sacks.

For anyone who wants to invoke HWWNBN:

76 games - 12 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Schaub

27 games - 11 with 2 or more passing TD's.



Exactly. Sure mistakes are made. Manning makes mistakes. This is mind boggling. He is much closer to the verge of elite than he is to shouldn't be a starter.

Mind blowing huh? You would think our QB was awful with how bad people want him run out of town.

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 02:58 PM
The pick wasn't a great play call anyway. The ten yard out takes a QB with a really good arm. Schaub is a good QB, but he isn't THAT QB. He doesn't have a cannon, which it takes to throw a ten yard out from the opposite sideline. Kinda put him in a bad position, and DRC made a GREAT jump on it.

I can't believe people really want Schaub gone so bad. Makes no sense.

Virginia's record while he was "throwing" for more great stats:

2001 5-7 / 3-5
2002 9-5 / 6-2
2003 8-5 / 4-4

My point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball..

He's missing the intangibles IMHO. Call me crazy all you want..

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 03:02 PM
You are really fooling yourself. Schaub was moving in the pocket and standing up to hits to get the ball out all day long. Stick HWWNBN in those same 50 plays and the completions go down from 35 to 25-30 with more importantly the yardage going down from 371 to 171 as it becomes a dump off game only. Plus there would have been a couple INT's as Carr gets jumped on an 8 yard hitch and 4-6 sacks.

For anyone who wants to invoke HWWNBN:

76 games - 12 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Schaub

27 games - 11 with 2 or more passing TD's.



Exactly. Sure mistakes are made. Manning makes mistakes. This is mind boggling. He is much closer to the verge of elite than he is to shouldn't be a starter.

I was more along the line of comparing him to Sage, the personnel differences between the days Carr was here and not ruined, vs. Schaub are too great to compare.

Mr. White
10-14-2009, 03:03 PM
My point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball.

If that's true, that's not an indictment on Schaub, it's on the lame playcalling.

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 03:07 PM
2003 8-5 / 4-4

My point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball..

He's missing the intangibles IMHO. Call me crazy all you want..

He's driven us down the field several times just this season. What are you talking about?

BigBull17
10-14-2009, 03:07 PM
I was more along the line of comparing him to Sage, the personnel differences between the days Carr was here and not ruined, vs. Schaub are too great to compare.

Sage was a turn over machine.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2009, 03:09 PM
If that's true, that's not an indictment on Schaub, it's on the lame playcalling.

Exaclty!!

He has marched this team down the field on two seperate occasions to put the team in a position to score. It is not his fault if our delusional OC thinks we can play smashmouth football.

BTW, think Green Bay last season.

infantrycak
10-14-2009, 03:11 PM
VMy point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball..

He's missing the intangibles IMHO. Call me crazy all you want..

Thank you as the president of the Vince Young for God lovers club. Everything you just said is exactly what was used to justify drafting VY who now sits on the bench behind Kerry Collins and I bet 80+% of TN fans would rather have Schaub start for their team than either of those two.

PS - on the intangibles thing like leadership, try looking at the sidelines and listening to the players. He may look like Droopy Dog but he clearly has their attention.

Texecutioner
10-14-2009, 03:13 PM
PS - on the intangibles thing like leadership, try looking at the sidelines and listening to the players. He may look like Droopy Dog but he clearly has their attention.

:spit: Droopy Dog.

Mr. White
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM
Exaclty!!

He has marched this team down the field on two seperate occasions to put the team in a position to score. It is not his fault if our delusional OC thinks we can play smashmouth football.

BTW, think Green Bay last season.

I swear every time I see Alex Gibbs talking to Kubiak on the sideline....

I'm thinking that he's telling him "we've got to get to get the run game going! Put in Chris Brown! DAMN THE TORPEDOES!" :pirate:

Mailman
10-14-2009, 03:16 PM
Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.

Oh me oh me oh my. Wowzers, I thought this bunk had been put to rest two years ago. Do you not remember David Carr's last year in Houston, his fourth as a starting QB in the NFL? The 2006 Texans were the 28th-ranked offense and Carr was sacked 41 times behind a line comprised of Salaam, Pitts, Flanagan, Weary, and Wiegert. When they dumped his ass and went with Schaub instead, that offense jumped to 12th-best in the NFL with only 22 sacks surrendered....with Salaam, Pitts, Flanagan, Weary, and Winston.

David Carr was responsible for David Carr's horrible performance, not the Texans front five. Those guys were unfairly maligned for years while David Carr got a free pass from the local and national media. Chester Pitts deserves better than this.

TheRealJoker
10-14-2009, 03:16 PM
We should've never called that play on 3rd down. Keep the pass in the middle of the field and protect your QB. You know we've got a guy with a gun slinger mentality, that's why we came back from a 21 point deficit. You've gotta protect him in those situations that you know he's going to gamble with the ball by calling routes over the middle to best prevent a pick 6 if he makes a poor decision.

Schaub didn't have the arm to make that throw but he's got a gunslinger mentality. The coaches should know on a crucial 3rd down going for the game winning drive Schaub is gonna give our guys a chance to make a play instead of throwing it away and the coaches need to recognize he doesn't have the arm to make that throw without risking a pick 6.

Schaub is the QB we need with the team we've got. We have a whole lot of weapons at the skill positions and Schaub knows how to distribute the ball and make use of them. We dont have a reliable defense or running game so we need a QB who will take chances if/when we get in a hole. Schaub is the guy who got us within a yard in 2 of 3 losses and he's also the guy who threw the pick 6. You take the good with the bad but this team needs a gunslinger with our defense and running game to even have a shot at the playoffs.

Mailman
10-14-2009, 03:21 PM
He's missing the intangibles IMHO. Call me crazy all you want..

And yet you defend David Carr? If you'd asked Dunta Robinson, Andre Johnson, or Eric Moulds to grade David Carr's leadership skills or intangibles back in the spring of 2007, they all would've told you that David Carr just doesn't pass the test.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2009, 03:22 PM
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like logic has gone astray around here a lot lately, no?

Double Barrel
10-14-2009, 03:25 PM
This thread is going downhill toward Patheticland. When HWSNBN is actually mentioned by name in some sort of lame attempt at comparison, I find nothing worthy about it.

The passing game - you know, the one that represents the QB - is the least of my worries with the Texans. It's just about everything else that needs some major upgrades. No consistent running game, no pass rush, weak secondary, yada yada yada. But yeah, let's blame the QB. :loser

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 03:34 PM
This thread is going downhill toward Patheticland. When HWSNBN is actually mentioned by name in some sort of lame attempt at comparison, I find nothing worthy about it.

The passing game - you know, the one that represents the QB - is the least of my worries with the Texans. It's just about everything else that needs some major upgrades. No consistent running game, no pass rush, weak secondary, yada yada yada. But yeah, let's blame the QB. :loser

I never brought up the HWSNBN comparision, someone made the assumption it was more of Sage I was comparing him to. Of course the passing game can come into question, the whole first half it was non existant cause Schaub was missing WIDE open receivers...

Mailman
10-14-2009, 03:35 PM
I never brought up the HWSNBN comparision, someone made the assumption it was more of Sage I was comparing him to.

Uh, yeah you did.

"Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB."

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 03:45 PM
Uh, yeah you did.

"Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB."

I mentioned the fact that Carr looked pretty good, and that most of his issues were related to the swiss cheese line we had the first few years here in which he got destroyed for what his first 3 years? After that he was so gunshot he sucked.

I never stated the fact: David Carr > Matt Schaub

Matt Schaub has a MUCH better supporting cast and our backup QB the last few years played better than him sometimes, and worse than him sometimes. How many of you were asking for Sage to start when he railed off 4 victories in a row?

Hooston Texan
10-14-2009, 03:54 PM
Virginia's record while he was "throwing" for more great stats:

2001 5-7 / 3-5
2002 9-5 / 6-2
2003 8-5 / 4-4

My point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball..

He's missing the intangibles IMHO. Call me crazy all you want..

Was going to sit this thread out, but I just can't do it.

I'm pretty sure you have no clue what you are talking about with respect to Virginia during Schaub's time there. Take Schaub off those 2002 and 2003 UVA teams (he was a pedestrian player as a part-time starter in 2001), and they probably don't win 5 games. He had a terrible defense, no running game and absolutely no threats at WR. Plus an offensive line that was small, young and simply not very good--D'Brickashaw Ferguson was a 240 LT on the 2002 and 2003 teams who didn't fill out and become a reliable blocker until the year after Schaub left. He hardly ever had time to throw, took a pounding and had to rely on FBs, TEs and RBs to catch his passes, but he led the Hoos to a couple of really fun seasons. I watched every Virginia game during those years, and the guy was brilliant. For twenty years, UVA had a run of outstanding QBs who played in the NFL or got serious looks (Don Majkowski, Scott Secules, Shawn Moore, Matt Blundin, Mike Groh, Aaron Brooks, Schaub and Marquis Hagans); Schaub was easily #2 on that list. There's no dispute as to #1 among Hoo fans, but it might surprise you.

As for not leading the Texans to victory in crunch time, did you miss the Miami game in 2007? The Jags game in 2008 (when he drove us to the tying FG with less than 2:00 left but we lost the OT cointoss and the game)? The Miami game in 2008? The Green Bay game in 2008? Those were all games where we were either down or tied, got the ball back with 2:00 left and he led us on a long scoring drive to either tie or win the game. Had Brown not fumbled against the Jags or we got that miserable stinking yard against the Cards, he'd be six-for-six in his Texans career in leading us in late tying/winning drives.

Here's a stat for you: twelve times, the Texans--with Schaub at QB--have been involved in a game where, at some point in the fourth quarter, the losing team had the ball and was within one score of the lead. In other words, 12 games where the outcome was in serious doubt. The Texans' record in those 12 games: 8-4. Two of those losses (the last two) were when we couldn't punch it in from the 1. A third was because we lost the OT coinflip after Schaub led us to scores on our last five possessions in the game (Jax 2008). The other was Cleveland in 2007 when we couldn't overcome a 17-10 deficit. So, of the four close games he lost, we were a coin flip and two stinking yards from either the win or a shot at OT in three of them.

There are legitimate criticisms to be had of our quarterback, but thinking he wasn't effective in college or that he hasn't come up with big games in crunch time for us is just laughable. Sorry for the rant, but the quoted post was just too much to ignore. And, yes, as a UVA alum, I'm completely biased--I've admitted that from my very first post on this board.

silvrhand
10-14-2009, 04:30 PM
Was going to sit this thread out, but I just can't do it.

I'm pretty sure you have no clue what you are talking about with respect to Virginia during Schaub's time there. Take Schaub off those 2002 and 2003 UVA teams (he was a pedestrian player as a part-time starter in 2001), and they probably don't win 5 games. He had a terrible defense, no running game and absolutely no threats at WR. Plus an offensive line that was small, young and simply not very good--D'Brickashaw Ferguson was a 240 LT on the 2002 and 2003 teams who didn't fill out and become a reliable blocker until the year after Schaub left. He hardly ever had time to throw, took a pounding and had to rely on FBs, TEs and RBs to catch his passes, but he led the Hoos to a couple of really fun seasons. I watched every Virginia game during those years, and the guy was brilliant. For twenty years, UVA had a run of outstanding QBs who played in the NFL or got serious looks (Don Majkowski, Scott Secules, Shawn Moore, Matt Blundin, Mike Groh, Aaron Brooks, Schaub and Marquis Hagans); Schaub was easily #2 on that list. There's no dispute as to #1 among Hoo fans, but it might surprise you.


I watched quite a bit of Virginia play in the years as I was in the area WV for a lot of years during those times. I would suspect that Moore is your favorite QB, in his college days the Moore to Moore connection rambled a lot of big plays. While I'm not to the level of you with the Virginia football knowledge, it was a way for me to try to get my point that it seems Schaub can't seem to find a way to win.


There are legitimate criticisms to be had of our quarterback, but thinking he wasn't effective in college or that he hasn't come up with big games in crunch time for us is just laughable. Sorry for the rant, but the quoted post was just too much to ignore. And, yes, as a UVA alum, I'm completely biased--I've admitted that from my very first post on this board.

Whether it's his will, his droopy dog look, his late throws/reads it's hard to quite put my finger on it, but I don't he's going to win us a superbowl or lead us into the playoffs.

JDizzle
10-14-2009, 04:39 PM
Whether it's his will, his droopy dog look, his late throws/reads it's hard to quite put my finger on it, but I don't he's going to win us a superbowl or lead us into the playoffs.

Might as well quit while you're not too far behind. Your foot goes any further into your mouth you'll start digesting it, and that's never good.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2009, 04:39 PM
LMAO!

Schuab isn't the problem here... I swear, the stuff some of y'all come up with.

The guy HAS NO RUNNING GAME TO SPEAK OF! and he's played with one of the NFL's worst defenses since his time as a Houston Texan.

Is the guy Peyton Manning........NO, he's not, but who the hell is... Is he a QB that if you have a solid team built around him you can win.....Yes you can win games with a Matt Schaub as your QB. He's proven time and time again that he can bring a team back late in games and win games late. Should he of made that throw into the endzone....hell yes he should've, but I doubt he misses a throw like that for the rest of the year and like I said above.....we woudn't be talking about that right now if this team could pick up a freaking yard.

I guarantee you, the second the Texans cut Schuab there will be a number of teams lining up for his services. He isn't going anywhere folks and the Texans could do much, much, MUCH worse at that position. I think Matt Schuab is the NFL's highest rated passer from the middle of last season until now. God forbid if we ever start running the ball and this team actaully starts to hold team UNDER 20 something points......THAT'S THE PROBLEM. :rolleyes:

Texan_Bill
10-14-2009, 04:43 PM
:brickwall:

stevn8r
10-14-2009, 04:46 PM
LMAO!

Schuab isn't the problem here... I swear, the stuff some of y'all come up with.

The guy HAS NO RUNNING GAME TO SPEAK OF! and he's played with one of the NFL's worst defenses since his time as a Houston Texan.

Is the guy Peyton Manning........NO, he's not, but who the hell is... Is he a QB that if you have a solid team built around him you can win.....Yes you can win games with a Matt Schaub as your QB. He's proven time and time again that he can bring a team back late in games and win games late. Should he of made that throw into the endzone....hell yes he should've, but I doubt he misses a throw like that for the rest of the year and like I said above.....we woudn't be talking about that right now if this team could pick up a freaking yard.


I guarantee you, the second the Texans cut Schuab there will be a number of teams lining up for his services. He isn't going anywhere folks and the Texans could do much, much, MUCH worse at that position. I think Matt Schuab is the NFL's highest rated passer from the middle of last season until now.

AMEN!!! Schaub is an Elite QB and is not the problem... I bet a Schaub sneak would have got that yard! "He runs in, Touch Down Texans! Matt Schaub with a Quaterback Draw!" sound familiar?:thinking:

Hooston Texan
10-14-2009, 04:54 PM
I watched quite a bit of Virginia play in the years as I was in the area WV for a lot of years during those times. I would suspect that Moore is your favorite QB, in his college days the Moore to Moore connection rambled a lot of big plays. While I'm not to the level of you with the Virginia football knowledge, it was a way for me to try to get my point that it seems Schaub can't seem to find a way to win.



Whether it's his will, his droopy dog look, his late throws/reads it's hard to quite put my finger on it, but I don't he's going to win us a superbowl or lead us into the playoffs.

As an initial matter, kudos on getting Shawn Moore (and Moore-to-Moore!). I was wrong to disparage your knowledge on the subject.

But I still strongly disagree about your assessment of Schaub not seeming to find a way to win. Throw out the two losses at the goalline, and Schaub's winning percentage in tight games with the Texans is a tidy .800. Add those two games back in, and it's .667. If that's not evidence of him finding a way to win, what is?

Goatcheese
10-14-2009, 04:55 PM
Huh? Right now, he's on pace to throw for about 4,200+ yards and 30 TD's.

To be precise: 64.3% 368 - 572 7.9 YPA 4,537 yards 32 TDs 12 INTs

Bring back HHWNBN IMO. Schaub just can't get it done. :chickendance:

Texan_Bill
10-14-2009, 04:58 PM
LMAO!

Schuab isn't the problem here... I swear, the stuff some of y'all come up with.

The guy HAS NO RUNNING GAME TO SPEAK OF! and he's played with one of the NFL's worst defenses since his time as a Houston Texan.
:rolleyes:

Spot on! To wit: Last season we ranked 13th in rushing. Not stellar but effective. In 5 games this season, we rank 30th. That's one helluva drop off.

Vinny
10-14-2009, 05:00 PM
This thread reminds me of the good ol days when you would find consistantly incoherent posts centering around the QB position here, except instead of apologist posts we have the classic reverse Carr bizarro world style (similar to Szechuan tiger style, 'cept different).

Wolf
10-14-2009, 05:05 PM
AMEN!!! Schaub is an Elite QB and is not the problem... I bet a Schaub sneak would have got that yard! "He runs in, Touch Down Texans! Matt Schaub with a Quaterback Draw!" sound familiar?:thinking:

http://www.projo.com/sharedcontent/east/nfl/4/slideshow/586/images/3.jpg

Carr would have gotten it in :turtle:


:tease:


spot on Vinny!

infantrycak
10-14-2009, 05:21 PM
This thread reminds me of the good ol days when you would find consistantly incoherent posts centering around the QB position here, except instead of apologist posts we have the classic reverse Carr bizarro world style (similar to Szechuan tiger style, 'cept different).

I swear it is the weirdest friggin' phenomenon. Take a fan base with a suck QB defending him and give them an almost elite QB and they attack him.

Really is there anyone willing to post up and say Schaub is not a vast improvement over HWWNBN?

Is there anyone willing to post up that Schaub is not a starting quality NFL QB?

Texan_Bill
10-14-2009, 05:25 PM
Is there anyone willing to post up that Schaub is not a starting quality NFL QB?

:cricket: :cricket:

Goatcheese
10-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Is there anyone willing to post up that Schaub is not a starting quality NFL QB?

Schaub is not a starting quality NFL QB.








































He's an elite QB... :texflag:

TimeKiller
10-14-2009, 07:32 PM
First I don't think I'm a fool...
I do. I dare not even quote your dribble to tear it apart as I feel the more your opinion is out there in print the more bad karma is circulating.

CT CSTM
10-14-2009, 08:27 PM
I didn't read all the threads but at least part of the blame for this certain interception can be blamed on the play calling. The kid Cromartie-whatever that picked it was laying in wait and expecting that play. I think it was the 3rd time it was run when he picked it. After the 2nd time they ran it he was by the Texans side line and in a general direction to the coaching staff he yelled "next time you run that s*%$ I'm gonna pick it",,,,they ran it again and he was obviously expecting it,,,and sorry i don't have a link to this but you guys know how I get most of my info:)

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2009, 08:32 PM
I didn't read all the threads but at least part of the blame for this certain interception can be blamed on the play calling. The kid Cromartie-whatever that picked it was laying in wait and expecting that play. I think it was the 3rd time it was run when he picked it. After the 2nd time they ran it he was by the Texans side line and in a general direction to the coaching staff he yelled "next time you run that s*%$ I'm gonna pick it",,,,they ran it again and he was obviously expecting it,,,and sorry i don't have a link to this but you guys know how I get most of my info:)

Well ... in the words of Yogi Berra ... it ain't braggin if you back it up .