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El Tejano
10-10-2009, 10:40 PM
Consider me sold on getting this guy in the draft. Before, everyone starts saying things like we don't need another receiver. I'm talking about how he makes our team better.

A) Our QB seems to be coming into his own now. More weapons is a good thing, and Shipley can stretch the field.

B) He provides great depth at all 3 positions-WR, KR, PR.

C) After this year, Jacoby or David Anderson could be trade bait. Moreso Jacoby. Shipley still gives us that deep threat and the return ability but altogether with better hands.

4) He's had injuries in the past but he looks to be over them, and it could also cause his value in the draft to drop and we could get him on the cheap.

What do you think?

BigBull17
10-10-2009, 11:17 PM
Consider me sold on getting this guy in the draft. Before, everyone starts saying things like we don't need another receiver. I'm talking about how he makes our team better.

A) Our QB seems to be coming into his own now. More weapons is a good thing, and Shipley can stretch the field.

B) He provides great depth at all 3 positions-WR, KR, PR.

C) After this year, Jacoby or David Anderson could be trade bait. Moreso Jacoby. Shipley still gives us that deep threat and the return ability but altogether with better hands.

4) He's had injuries in the past but he looks to be over them, and it could also cause his value in the draft to drop and we could get him on the cheap.

What do you think?

What round you thinking? He is an older player, if I remember correctly.

El Tejano
10-10-2009, 11:26 PM
Not sure what he's projected to go in. Based on what I'm thinking, 3rd or 4th. To be honest I see Indy picking him up and Manning having a great end of his career with him. That's why I really think we should get this guy. He really could produce for us.

MojoMan
10-10-2009, 11:33 PM
Here is some information about Jordan Shipley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Shipley).

He will be 24 in December. That is a bit older, but not prohibitively so. I believe most of the guys in the draft are at least 23.

If Jacoby Jones continues to drop the ball, I would love to pick up Shipley. But I cannot imagine that the Texans will be able to justify expending a pick in the first three rounds on a wide receiver. The big question is where will Shipley go in the 2010 draft? Probably in the second or third round, based on what we have seen so far. If that is close to right, it probably follows that Shipley is gone before the Texans have are willing to select him.

However, the Texans should take a RB in the first three rounds this year. Slaton is a nice back, but it would be nicer still if the Texans had someone better.

BigBull17
10-10-2009, 11:36 PM
Here is some information about Jordan Shipley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Shipley).

He will be 24 in December. That is a bit older, but not prohibitively so. I believe most of the guys in the draft are at least 23.

If Jacoby Jones continues to drop the ball, I would love to pick up Shipley. But I cannot imagine that the Texans will be able to justify expending a pck in the first three rounds on a wide receiver. The big question is where will Shipley go in the 2010 draft? Probably in the second or third round, based on what we hav seen so far. So, if that is close to right, it probably follows that Shipley is gone before the Texans have are willing to select him.

However, the Texans should take a RB in the first three rounds this year. Slaton is a nice back, but it would be nicer still if the Texans had someone better.

That aint too bad. I thought he wasolder for some reason. I wouldn't object to a 4th or so, but no earlier.

We need a RB, but man, we need two new safties, a DT, a CB, maybe a QB to start grooming, and you can never have enought OL. RB is a need, but man, we could use an upgrade at alot of other positions.

LonerATO
10-11-2009, 02:43 AM
His stock has kind of dropped over the last few weeks with many younger and faster WR's on other teams making names for themselves. I would have had him early 3rd to mid 4th rd before the start of the season, but the combine will sort all of this out. I like the guy, but the Texans need SS or FS/CB/DT/OG and not offensive playmakers.

Texecutioner
10-11-2009, 03:10 AM
His stock has kind of dropped over the last few weeks with many younger and faster WR's on other teams making names for themselves. I would have had him early 3rd to mid 4th rd before the start of the season, but the combine will sort all of this out. I like the guy, but the Texans need SS or FS/CB/DT/OG and not offensive playmakers.

Yep. We have other needs that are MAJOR.

Goldensilence
10-11-2009, 04:07 AM
Depends what happens with Kevin Walter's contract.

I think second maybe early third. Doesn't have a great 40 time but he plays the game fast and is a smart player. Someone is going to draft a heck of a football player.

Corrosion
10-11-2009, 09:04 AM
Not sure what he's projected to go in. Based on what I'm thinking, 3rd or 4th. To be honest I see Indy picking him up and Manning having a great end of his career with him. That's why I really think we should get this guy. He really could produce for us.

I would hate to see this guy playing with Pey-Me-A-Ton .... I think he would fit in all too well in the Dolts offense.

There may be faster bigger stronger recievers with more upside in the coming draft but I dont think there is a single one who runs better routes or has better hands.

Anyone catch the double move he put on the Colorado DB last night just before the half ? That was about as good as you can sell a double move .... wide open TD. Toss in a couple one handed grabs and a return for a TD for good measure ....

With my luck the guy will end up in Indy or Pittsburgh ..... ugh.:gun:

nero THE zero
10-12-2009, 02:43 PM
I think WR is becoming a pressing need for this team.

Walter is a FA after this season, JJ is a FA after next season, and DA and Andre Davis are FA after the next season (2011). Plus, Davis hasn't been effective since he signed his contract so he might be a candidate to be cut, especially if we bring in a new coach.

This year's WR crop is looking pretty nice, so I wouldn't mind it at all if we picked up someone with a ton of potential to work under 'Dre like Demetryus Thomas in the second or third round.

bah007
10-12-2009, 03:01 PM
I think WR is becoming a pressing need for this team.

Walter is a FA after this season, JJ is a FA after next season, and DA and Andre Davis are FA after the next season (2011). Plus, Davis hasn't been effective since he signed his contract so he might be a candidate to be cut, especially if we bring in a new coach.

This year's WR crop is looking pretty nice, so I wouldn't mind it at all if we picked up someone with a ton of potential to work under 'Dre like Demetryus Thomas in the second or third round.

If you are talking about Demaryius Thomas at Georgia Tech then I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disagree.

He has the physical skills but I just don't see him working out. The guy is in his fourth year of college and the only route he has ever run is the Go. He is going to be way behind everyone else when it comes to that area of development.

nero THE zero
10-12-2009, 03:20 PM
If you are talking about Demaryius Thomas at Georgia Tech then I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disagree.

He has the physical skills but I just don't see him working out. The guy is in his fourth year of college and the only route he has ever run is the Go. He is going to be way behind everyone else when it comes to that area of development.

Yes, Demaryius. My mistake.

And, I agree that there are question marks because of his system, but he is also a plus blocker, has exceptional hands, and has fantastic size. He has a first round body with late round experience, which is why I think he would be a steal in the mid-rounds to develop behind AJ. Like I said, our WR corps thins out over the next few years, so now would be the time to take a project like Thomas and let him develop rather than drafting a rookie WR when it's too late and expecting them to contribute immediately.

Texecutioner
10-12-2009, 03:21 PM
For guys that like Jordan Shipley, wait until you see his brother when he gets to Texas. He is supposed to be even better. He is already committed and should be there in two years.

Scooter
10-17-2009, 01:30 PM
i dont know where he's projected, but it wouldnt hurt my feelings to burn a second on shipley. he'd upgrade #3 receiver, KR, and PR. as of right now i'd like us to go with a DB in the first round and multiple DT's in the mid/late rounds (o-line, d-line, and DB through free agency), and shipley would fit into that scenario. i'm no texas fan, but he's the "go to" guy for a top ranked team and appears to me to be pro ready.

TheRealJoker
10-17-2009, 01:38 PM
I dont think he'd help us more than a safety, DT, or interior OL/short yardage back and I dont think he'd be available after we get the best players to fill those holes.

beerlover
02-19-2010, 11:27 PM
Consider me sold on getting this guy in the draft. Before, everyone starts saying things like we don't need another receiver. I'm talking about how he makes our team better.

A) Our QB seems to be coming into his own now. More weapons is a good thing, and Shipley can stretch the field.

B) He provides great depth at all 3 positions-WR, KR, PR.

C) After this year, Jacoby or David Anderson could be trade bait. Moreso Jacoby. Shipley still gives us that deep threat and the return ability but altogether with better hands.

4) He's had injuries in the past but he looks to be over them, and it could also cause his value in the draft to drop and we could get him on the cheap.

What do you think?

out of the closet, now that I've had time to re-watch some game film devoid of emotion :taz:

I would assess Jordan Shipley 2nd rd. material. He is an impact player ready to produce. Great receiving technique with soft, reliable hands plucks the ball like all the great ones. Diciplined route runner with deceptive speed & ability to create seperation off man or find hole in zone. Love his commitment to blocking assignments, drives thru to finish & is an elite returner. He is a max, max, max player filling #2 WR position & special teams. Would be a tremendous asset if the Texans could line him up Sundays oppossite Andre Johnson & open up season as kick returner.

I defiently put him into the mix for 2nd rd. consideration. Rick Smith really needs to earn his pay this year & find a way manufacture more picks (trade down/trades) :gamer: the best way to do this is with players who are ready to roll now, maybe a little under appreciated because some feel they've reached their ceiling but who fit specific roles & upgrade multiple roster positions immediately.

El Tejano
02-19-2010, 11:39 PM
out of the closet, now that I've had time to re-watch some game film devoid of emotion :taz:

I would assess Jordan Shipley 2nd rd. material. He is an impact player ready to produce. Great receiving technique with soft, reliable hands plucks the ball like all the great ones. Diciplined route runner with deceptive speed & ability to create seperation off man or find hole in zone. Love his commitment to blocking assignments, drives thru to finish & is an elite returner. He is a max, max, max player filling #2 WR position & special teams. Would be a tremendous asset if the Texans could line him up Sundays oppossite Andre Johnson & open up season as kick returner.

I defiently put him into the mix for 2nd rd. consideration. Rick Smith really needs to earn his pay this year & find a way manufacture more picks (trade down/trades) :gamer: the best way to do this is with players who are ready to roll now, maybe a little under appreciated because some feel they've reached their ceiling but who fit specific roles & upgrade multiple roster positions immediately.

I love the Longhorns but I can watch them objectively without a biased opinion. It drives my family crazy because I'll tell it like it is and it's not always nice things. Jordan Shipley though, has been one of the best receivers Texas has ever seen. Yes, I'm saying better than Roy Williams. Roy would become invisible against Oklahoma and in bowl games. Shipley shows up there the most. I so wish McCoy would've been able to play in that last game because Shipley would've easily had 3 TDs in that game.

Anyhow, I agree with your assessment on Shipley. Those were the exact same reasons I posted this and thought about using a 2nd on him.

Welcome to the dark side.

Texecutioner
02-20-2010, 01:08 PM
I love the Longhorns but I can watch them objectively without a biased opinion. It drives my family crazy because I'll tell it like it is and it's not always nice things. Jordan Shipley though, has been one of the best receivers Texas has ever seen. Yes, I'm saying better than Roy Williams. Roy would become invisible against Oklahoma and in bowl games. Shipley shows up there the most. I so wish McCoy would've been able to play in that last game because Shipley would've easily had 3 TDs in that game.

Anyhow, I agree with your assessment on Shipley. Those were the exact same reasons I posted this and thought about using a 2nd on him.

Welcome to the dark side.

Great post and I totally agree about him being better than Roy Williams was as a Longhorn. Roy was much more talented and had better numbers, but he was never clutch and as consistent. Shipley made plays in the toughest moments all of the time. His hands were way better and he was much more reliable. I think Quan Cosby was a better WR than Roy in his Senior year as well. Cosby and Ship were the two most reliable targets in UT's history in my opinion.

TheRealJoker
02-20-2010, 03:44 PM
I've become more bullish on Shipley over the past few months.Given the fact we may lose Walter in FA and OD might skip training camp and would come in rusty early in the season off a torn ACL I think Shipley would help us maintain momentum in the passing attack.

With Jacoby inserted into the starting role and Shipley picking up in JJ's role on offense/special teams I think we'd have more big play potential in the passing game.... albeit to the detriment of losing KW's run blocking on the edges.

The rub here is whether Dreesen and Anderson can keep converting the 3rd downs for us until OD is back to 100%.

I certainly wouldn't mind us spending a 2nd on Shipley. People would scratch their heads at first glance, but they would come around when considering the possibility of losing KW and OD being rusty to start the year. It is imperative the passing game maintains its level of play in order for us to make the playoffs next season. A slow start would be tough to recover from given the competition for playoff spots along with our NFC East schedule draw. If it takes a 2nd round pick to keep the passing game rolling, i'd be happy for the Texans to spend it.

Dutchrudder
02-23-2010, 11:32 AM
Jacoby Jones and Jordan Shipley for kick returns would be great, and the Texans could drop Andre Davis down a notch, or cut him all together. Davis is getting paid 4 million a year, which seems like a bit too much for a #3-4 WR.

badboy
02-23-2010, 03:46 PM
Hopefully before the draft we will know the Texans position on Walter & OD. Hopefully, we will not need to use a pick on WR. However, 1. Kyle WIlson CB 2. SHipley 3. Gerhart 4 JDWalton Center would be pretty awesome if it fell that way.

El Tejano
02-23-2010, 04:40 PM
Hopefully before the draft we will know the Texans position on Walter & OD. Hopefully, we will not need to use a pick on WR. However, 1. Kyle WIlson CB 2. SHipley 3. Gerhart 4 JDWalton Center would be pretty awesome if it fell that way.

I wouldn't get mad at that draft at all.

El Tejano
02-23-2010, 04:45 PM
albeit to the detriment of losing KW's run blocking on the edges.



Ah..but that's actually what gave me the idea of drafting Shipley in the 2nd. The dude can run block. Quan Cosby taught it to him well. Shipley is a strong dude.

TheRealJoker
02-23-2010, 10:50 PM
Ah..but that's actually what gave me the idea of drafting Shipley in the 2nd. The dude can run block. Quan Cosby taught it to him well. Shipley is a strong dude.

Yes but KW is one of the best run blocking WRs in the NFL...

El Tejano
02-25-2010, 09:56 AM
Yes but KW is one of the best run blocking WRs in the NFL...

No argument there. Matter of fact that is why I never want to let KW go. However things happen and if that happens you wouldn't have to spend alot of time teaching Shipley how to block. He welcomes it and that is the first part of it.

To repeat myself, I believe Peyton Manning has been hot on his tail since the OU game and is going to try and ask for him in the 1st round. Why do you think Peyton was at that OU game? Shipley fits perfect in that offense.

HuttoKarl
02-25-2010, 10:43 AM
For guys that like Jordan Shipley, wait until you see his brother when he gets to Texas. He is supposed to be even better. He is already committed and should be there in two years.

I think Colt's little brother is there now too....apparently Colt thinks very highly of lil' bro.

Shipley's probably going to have a great combine and solidify his draft position. I truly feel he's going to surprise some people. Injury issues in the past will possibly keep some teams from looking at him, but I'd be just fine with him in a Texans uniform as a middle round pick.

beerlover
02-25-2010, 01:12 PM
Yes but KW is one of the best run blocking WRs in the NFL...

not losing anything there, plus upgrading production in receptions, td's & return/special teams.

Texecutioner
02-25-2010, 01:22 PM
I think Colt's little brother is there now too....apparently Colt thinks very highly of lil' bro.

Shipley's probably going to have a great combine and solidify his draft position. I truly feel he's going to surprise some people. Injury issues in the past will possibly keep some teams from looking at him, but I'd be just fine with him in a Texans uniform as a middle round pick.

I'd love to get him for a middle round pick, but he'll be going in the 3rd round and maybe even the 2nd possibly. Ship almost had a 300 yard game last season. He can really play. I'd love for him to become a Texan, but I don't think we'll use a draft pick high enough in order to get him.

And Colt's little brother will never be a starting QB at Texas. Gilbert will be for the next few seasons. Colt's lil bro was brought in mainly to be a back up.

badboy
02-25-2010, 01:30 PM
I'd love to get him for a middle round pick, but he'll be going in the 3rd round and maybe even the 2nd possibly. Ship almost had a 300 yard game last season. He can really play. I'd love for him to become a Texan, but I don't think we'll use a draft pick high enough in order to get him.

And Colt's little brother will never be a starting QB at Texas. Gilbert will be for the next few seasons. Colt's lil bro was brought in mainly to be a back up.Isn't that exactly what was said about Colt? Had an article in the Chronicle about how even Mack Brown was not impressed with Colt at first.

Texecutioner
02-25-2010, 01:37 PM
I'd love to get him for a middle round pick, but he'll be going in the 3rd round and maybe even the 2nd possibly. Ship almost had a 300 yard game last season. He can really play. I'd love for him to become a Texan, but I don't think we'll use a draft pick high enough in order to get him.

And Colt's little brother will never be a starting QB at Texas. Gilbert will be for the next few seasons. Colt's lil bro was brought in mainly to be a back up.Isn't that exactly what was said about Colt? Had an article in the Chronicle about how even Mack Brown was not impressed with Colt at first.

Well Colt was a two star player when recruited. Someone was impressed as hell with Colt at the time though from the Texas staff, because they don't routinely recruit 2 star players to compete at QB. I think they expected that Snead would end up being the starter, but they had no problems at all letting Colt compete with Snead for the job and he won it. Barely won it to, but he had been there for a full year as a Redshirt Freshman.

I'm not saying that it's not possible that his brother would ever start, but it won't be happening while Gilbert is there and I'd imagine that Texas will have recruited another top notch talent by then to replace Gilbert when he leaves. That's what I've heard about the situation anyway.

bah007
02-25-2010, 01:41 PM
Isn't that exactly what was said about Colt? Had an article in the Chronicle about how even Mack Brown was not impressed with Colt at first.

Not exactly. Snead was set to be the heir apparent to Vince Young but then VY left after his junior year, leaving Texas with only a true freshman (Snead) and a a redshirt freshman (McCoy). Since Colt already had a year in the system he was given first crack and never looked back. Snead transferred and the rest is history.

As far as Case goes, he was taken in the same class as the top QB in the state (Connor Wood). They will each be on the bench for at least two years before Gilbert leaves. If Case was in the same position as his brother, where he had to step in day one, then I think he could beat out Wood. But Wood has far more potential and with two years in the system I think he will be ahead of Case. Just my two cents.

HuttoKarl
02-25-2010, 01:58 PM
Not exactly. Snead was set to be the heir apparent to Vince Young but then VY left after his junior year, leaving Texas with only a true freshman (Snead) and a a redshirt freshman (McCoy). Since Colt already had a year in the system he was given first crack and never looked back. Snead transferred and the rest is history.

As far as Case goes, he was taken in the same class as the top QB in the state (Connor Wood). They will each be on the bench for at least two years before Gilbert leaves. If Case was in the same position as his brother, where he had to step in day one, then I think he could beat out Wood. But Wood has far more potential and with two years in the system I think he will be ahead of Case. Just my two cents.

The moral of the story: Mack Brown and Co. are hella great recruiters.

bah007
02-25-2010, 02:19 PM
The moral of the story: Mack Brown and Co. are hella great recruiters.

No kidding. Before he got there Texas had no hold on in state prospects. They hit here and there but the majority of good players went to OU. Now, they get to cherrypick the best of the state.

badboy
02-25-2010, 02:36 PM
Not exactly. Snead was set to be the heir apparent to Vince Young but then VY left after his junior year, leaving Texas with only a true freshman (Snead) and a a redshirt freshman (McCoy). Since Colt already had a year in the system he was given first crack and never looked back. Snead transferred and the rest is history.

As far as Case goes, he was taken in the same class as the top QB in the state (Connor Wood). They will each be on the bench for at least two years before Gilbert leaves. If Case was in the same position as his brother, where he had to step in day one, then I think he could beat out Wood. But Wood has far more potential and with two years in the system I think he will be ahead of Case. Just my two cents.I thought that after Vince left there was at least one other QB thought to be ahead of Colt besides Snead. To me McCoy is the guy who just gets his teeth locked into a steak and he ain't turning it loose. I can see him with a long career in NFl even if not starting. There was just no way he was to do as well at Texas as Young but he did.

bah007
02-25-2010, 03:41 PM
I thought that after Vince left there was at least one other QB thought to be ahead of Colt besides Snead. To me McCoy is the guy who just gets his teeth locked into a steak and he ain't turning it loose. I can see him with a long career in NFl even if not starting. There was just no way he was to do as well at Texas as Young but he did.

John Chiles was never gonna be a QB and he may have ruined his shot at making the NFL as a WR because for a few years he refused to change positions.

I love Colt. Where he is short on talent he makes up for with grit and heart. For all the hail Tebow has received for his intangibles I am surprised that Colt isn't mentioned very often in the same regard. I think he is right there with Tim.

Corrosion
02-26-2010, 02:13 PM
John Chiles was never gonna be a QB and he may have ruined his shot at making the NFL as a WR because for a few years he refused to change positions.

I love Colt. Where he is short on talent he makes up for with grit and heart. For all the hail Tebow has received for his intangibles I am surprised that Colt isn't mentioned very often in the same regard. I think he is right there with Tim.

Most wins by a college QB in history .... That says a whole lot about Colt.

bah007
02-26-2010, 02:25 PM
Most wins by a college QB in history .... That says a whole lot about Colt.

It sure does.

El Tejano
03-23-2010, 09:31 AM
Well if I wasn't already worried about Shipley coming into our division with Peyton, now this..

Titans | Shipley will visit team
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Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:47:46 -0700

Bryan Mullen, of The Tennessean, reports Texas WR Jordan Shipley is scheduled to visit the Tennessee Titans, likely within the next two weeks.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0j0RvHnsl
He's got a nice history with Vince. This would be an excellent pick up for us or anyone in our division. Dude has game.

Dutchrudder
03-23-2010, 09:44 AM
Well if I wasn't already worried about Shipley coming into our division with Peyton, now this..

Titans | Shipley will visit team
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Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:47:46 -0700

Bryan Mullen, of The Tennessean, reports Texas WR Jordan Shipley is scheduled to visit the Tennessee Titans, likely within the next two weeks.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0j0RvHnsl
He's got a nice history with Vince. This would be an excellent pick up for us or anyone in our division. Dude has game.

It would be nice to have him, but the Texans cannot spend a 1-4th pick on him. WR is one of the few positions that they have a glut of talent and do not need to waste a high pick. I imagine they will come out of the first four rounds with 2 DBs, 1 DT and 1 RB. If Shipley somehow drops to round 5 though, I would hope the Texans pick him up, but I would bet lots of money he won't be there.

El Tejano
03-23-2010, 03:48 PM
All I know is if Jordan Shipley gets selected by Tennessee, that's going to be too many UT players on one team for KEYE to pass up. We won't be able to see our Texans until we play the titans.

Would love to see us make the marketing move with this guy.

Spled
03-23-2010, 07:11 PM
He may not have the best measurables, but he has a knack for finding the endzone. I'd spend a third on him.

JB
03-23-2010, 07:16 PM
He may not have the best measurables, but he has a knack for finding the endzone. I'd spend a third on him.

Somebody may, but the Texans cannot afford to, IMO

El Tejano
03-24-2010, 08:52 AM
Somebody may, but the Texans cannot afford to, IMO

I would look at it from a future point of view though. Andre Davis is getting older and I think David Anderson has already peaked, and we've gotten the most we are going to get from that dude.

JB
03-24-2010, 09:12 AM
I would look at it from a future point of view though. Andre Davis is getting older and I think David Anderson has already peaked, and we've gotten the most we are going to get from that dude.

I agree, but i do not believe the Texans can afford to spend one of their first 3 picks on a WR. They have bigger needs early in the draft. And they think Martinez and do the job for them...imo