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Dionysus22
02-16-2005, 11:24 PM
I'm all for revamping the starting four: Sharper, Wong, Peek, and Babin. On the other hand, I would like to see some freakish sideline to sideline speed. What are ya'lls thoughts of trading Kailee Wong for more picks and drafting Derrick Johnson for ILB? I'm sure we could get a second round, or maybe a few second day picks for Wong. We could really use those picks to beef up the O-line or that fearless, kamakazie type receiver we've been needing. Lets face it, Bradford is not the answer and Gaffney is too fragile. I love Wong like the rest of you and I know he's been one of the back bones of this defense but I'm afraid that we might be holding on to something that will last maybe three more years and passing up what might be the next Ray Lewis for the next ten years. I think we've learned a thing or two from watching those "old guys" with the stars on their helments pass up a pro-bowl type player cause they're trying to hang on to a player that MIGHT one day pay-off. Just a thought.

BuffSoldier
02-16-2005, 11:29 PM
I say if DJ is there, definitely take him, but I doubt we trade up for him. People keep saying that this years draft will be a weak one but I bet we wont give up that weak 2nd rounder to move up a few spots a get that LongHorn. DJ to me is the best player in the draft and has the best chance to be a pro-bowl rook.

Dionysus22
02-16-2005, 11:37 PM
aaahhhh we can dream though can't we?

TEXANS84
02-16-2005, 11:49 PM
For those of you who were on here last year...it reminds me alot of all the "Sean Taylor" talking. :)

Casserly knows what he is doing...and I have full faith in him (Andre, Dunta). If DJ falls to us...definitley take him. But Im sure they'll be others that will make just as big of an impact.

texanfan2002114
02-16-2005, 11:54 PM
For those of you who were on here last year...it reminds me alot of all the "Sean Taylor" talking. :)

Casserly knows what he is doing...and I have full faith in him (Andre, Dunta). If DJ falls to us...definitley take him. But Im sure they'll be others that will make just as big of an impact.


But one thing about Sean Taylor is that he is a head case!! Bad in the locker room, where DJ would become the leader on defense after a couple of years!!

If the Texans could trade up without hurting the future to get DJ, I would!!

Dionysus22
02-16-2005, 11:58 PM
very good point! Sean was a head-case. DJ would provide leadership and would be, in my opinion, like Michael Vick on defense.

TEXANS84
02-17-2005, 01:38 AM
I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

Dionysus22
02-17-2005, 02:48 AM
Another good point, but lets not forget about the other obvious problem. The D-line! With seth Payne in and out of IR and Gary Walker the same I'd like to see us a little more focused on the front seven. There isn't a lot of talent at the DE and DT spot this year in the draft. So go to the next best thing, a future dominate athlete, that should be wearing a big "S" on his chest, and is currently wearing burnt orange. I do however agree about AG, but unfortunately the talent isn't really that deep either this year. There maybe a few that might provide a spark but not good enough to be taken that high. I think we address that issue in the late second, early third round.
I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

nunusguy
02-17-2005, 09:25 AM
I think Derrick Johnson has a very good chance of being the top non QB selected in this years College Draft, and could even be #1 overall. So of
course it would be great to have him here, but the price would just be so
steep, very unlikely he'll be a Texan.

texanfan2002114
02-17-2005, 09:55 AM
I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

I totally agree with you about AG and needing another corner, but if you get pressure on the QB then AG won't be so bad out there. The problem is the Texans are not getting any pressure on the QB which gives the QB time to find the open man or for the man to get open.

As far a Sean Taylor and nobody knew that he was a head case, I guess you didn't read any of the papers in Florida. He was in it atleast once a month with conflicts with teamates and coachs. I was happy he was gone when the Texans drafted.

bckey
02-17-2005, 10:01 AM
Don't forget that we can always move Coleman back to corner if we have to.

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 10:34 AM
Lets face it, Bradford is not the answer and Gaffney is too fragile.

Don't understand where comments like this come from--fragile? Gaffney has not missed a game his entire tenure in the NFL.

I do however agree about AG, but unfortunately the talent isn't really that deep either this year. There maybe a few that might provide a spark but not good enough to be taken that high.

Really?--there are at least four CB's with good chances of being taken in the top half of the 1st round--Rolle, Jones, Miller and Rogers. Two of them share a lot in common with Dunta--Jones & Miller are both speedy gamblers that play big against the run. Seems like plenty of talent that may be BPA at #13.

F-minus67
02-17-2005, 11:16 AM
if DJ isn't there we could always go with Merrimen, this guy is a physical freak. he has like a 41" vertical, benches close to 400lbs and squats close to 600lbs.

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 11:22 AM
as good as it would seem for us to get DJ i doubt he will still be there when we pick, now if this had been last year our the year before than yes we prolly woulda got him. But he is to good of a player for many teams to pass up, But i do still keep my fingers crossed we get him. And i figure AG has 2 more years left and i doubt we'll adress the CB position this year, we'll give a young guy a good year to learn and watch AG and D-Rob, and than he will have been mentored by the 2 best corners in the league !

edo783
02-17-2005, 11:33 AM
The more I think about it and watch the discussions, I think we will be going for one of the CBs that are available and one of the good ones (hopefully Pac-man or J. Miller) should be available at 13. I like that prospect.

M@DD Mike
02-17-2005, 12:21 PM
I like Thomas Davis he would make a huge Impaact in the secondary.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 12:27 PM
We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 12:47 PM
We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.


exactly, good post steel blue.

TEXANS84
02-17-2005, 01:27 PM
We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 01:38 PM
Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".


wow those were deions words ???? a lil philosophy it sounds like, and where did he go to college ? Cause i never thought he could say anything half worth listening to !

nunusguy
02-17-2005, 01:40 PM
And i figure AG has 2 more years left
We may address it in later rounds for someone who can help us, even start for us several years down the line after AGs retirement. But here's the deal, they will be under the gun this year to make the playoffs and that's why I'm confidant the first round pick will not be a CB or any DB - this is maybe ourur strongest area. We have plenty of areas where we need upgrades right now if we are to realistically compete for a playoff spot this year (or next).
Just looking at the D, We need a frontline players in both the DL and LB areas much more than the Defensive Backfield. There will be a lot of pressure for the team to go > 500 and into the playoffs this fall, therefor I don't think they
will use the 13th overall to pick someone who won't make a contribution until a futue year.

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 01:47 PM
oh yes i agree with you thats why i said i think AG has 2 more years and we prolly shouldnt worry about getting a CB replacement for Glenn not this draft but the next. We have bigger issues to be adressed other than CBs !

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 01:50 PM
:howdy: What happens if a corner is by far the best player on the board at 13 ? What happens if Ronnie Brown is on the board at 13 ?

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 01:53 PM
we i dont know what will actually happen unless i some how become the Texans GM over night, JK. But seriously i still wouldnt get a CB, we would have a great secondary as it is if our front 7 could just get a little pressure !

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 02:45 PM
If Pac Man is their with his 4.3 -40 yd would you take him or trade the pick . :hmmm:

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 02:53 PM
cant lie i'd prolly take him, i mean when something good comes ya way ya gotta take it. But i still do feel we have bigger problems to worry about right now. I doubt he'll be there for us when we pick !

Cincinnatikid
02-17-2005, 02:59 PM
It is really a chicken and egg discussion, when one area improves so will the other. If the dline gets better, then the LBs get better pass rush, and the DBs can cover for less time. If the DBs dont get burnt in 2 secs, then there is time for the front seven to get to the QB. Either way we need to improve both aspects. To me LB is our best position on defense, some improvement is needed but i think we have 4 solid players that can start in babin wong sharper and peek. Get them some help and results will be seen in terms of pass rush.

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 03:01 PM
It is really a chicken and egg discussion, when one area improves so will the other. If the dline gets better, then the LBs get better pass rush, and the DBs can cover for less time. If the DBs dont get burnt in 2 secs, then there is time for the front seven to get to the QB. Either way we need to improve both aspects. To me LB is our best position on defense, some improvement is needed but i think we have 4 solid players that can start in babin wong sharper and peek. Get them some help and results will be seen in terms of pass rush.


yes we know this if ya woulda read the other posts we posted we ALL agreed that if our DL could get some pressure we would have an awesome secondary, they actually cover well but just have to cover WAY TO LONG !!!!

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 03:09 PM
:howdy: This post is more about a player you may not really have considered but can't refuse . You like blondes but Eva Longoria calls .

TexansTrueFan
02-17-2005, 03:12 PM
:howdy: This post is more about a player you may not really have considered but can't refuse . You like blondes but Eva Longoria calls .


haha very true, we might want things but dont mean we wont take others ! i liked that :shocked

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 03:15 PM
:howdy: What if Ronnie Brown falls to 13 .

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 03:33 PM
We may address it in later rounds for someone who can help us, even start for us several years down the line after AGs retirement. But here's the deal, they will be under the gun this year to make the playoffs and that's why I'm confidant the first round pick will not be a CB or any DB - this is maybe ourur strongest area. We have plenty of areas where we need upgrades right now if we are to realistically compete for a playoff spot this year (or next).
Just looking at the D, We need a frontline players in both the DL and LB areas much more than the Defensive Backfield. There will be a lot of pressure for the team to go > 500 and into the playoffs this fall, therefor I don't think they
will use the 13th overall to pick someone who won't make a contribution until a futue year.

No offense, but what this says is IMO exactly why you have to look at BPA instead of needs order. DL may be a higher need than CB this year, but what best serves the Texans this year and in the future (1) a great potential CB at #13 who immediatly takes over as the 3rd CB and moves Faggins to 4th (and is very likely to move Glenn to nickle or dime in 1-3 years) and a good value DL at #47 who immediately comes into the DL rotation as the 4th best DLmen or (2) a reach at #13 for a DLmen who also immediately comes into the DL rotation and a CB who may come into dime packages now and hopefully develops someday into a starter? Perceived need can't irrationally overtake the talent of the actual players available at each draft selection--well it can but it isn't a good way to build a team IMO.

texasguy346
02-17-2005, 03:53 PM
wow those were deions words ???? a lil philosophy it sounds like, and where did he go to college ? Cause i never thought he could say anything half worth listening to !

That's his Florida State edu-mah-cation. Honestly he's more entertaining to me than Irvin is on ESPN. Both can be fun to watch at times.


I've mentioned in other threads that I'd be happy with Miller or Jones at #13. However, I'd prefer to trade down a few slots and pick up Marcus Spears, and then maybe getting a guy like Rogers or Browner in the second. Problem is that Rogers might not last till the second. Then perhaps grab Baas with the extra 2nd round pick. Thats a dream scenario, and chances are nothing close to that will happen. As far as needing a safety I'm not so sure we do need one, but even if we did I'd rather address it later in the draft by picking up a Jammal Brimmer in the 3rd or so. It will be fun to see what happens come draft day.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 03:55 PM
:howdy: I wonder how these CBs compare to last year . Dunta and Hall were rated much higher than the next which I think was Gamble . There seems to be six good CBs that will be first round picks . I guess my point would be Dunta was the 2nd CB at the 10th pick . The third CB this year will be much better than Gamble the 3rd CB last year and I think the Texans are going to have a shot at the 2nd CB at 13 .

Cincinnatikid
02-17-2005, 03:55 PM
yes we know this if ya woulda read the other posts we posted we ALL agreed that if our DL could get some pressure we would have an awesome secondary, they actually cover well but just have to cover WAY TO LONG !!!!

Easy, im not saying that you guys didnt say we need dline. My point was that either way, we need to draft one of these positions and get some immediate help. my main point is that if we get a dlineman then everything else should improve greatly or if we get a DB that will help in coverage and add that extra second for the front 7 to get to the QB.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 03:59 PM
Spears would make a bigger impact on this team than any CB in the draft.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 04:05 PM
:howdy: Thats if Spears is there . The only team who can take anybody is the 49ers . The rest have to get on message boards and speculate .

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 04:25 PM
Spears would make a bigger impact on this team than any CB in the draft.

It is nice to have that certainty in knowing the impact of each player in the NFL.

Signed--Johnathon Sullivan #6 pick and Jimmy Kennedy #12 pick, 2003 draft.

wags
02-17-2005, 04:28 PM
It is nice to have that certainty in knowing the impact of each player in the NFL.

Signed--Johnathon Sullivan #6 pick and Jimmy Kennedy #12 pick, 2003 draft.

Both are DL by the way. One from UGA. :bag:

texasguy346
02-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Kennedy seemed to do fairly well for the Rams when he wasn't injured.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 04:36 PM
The chuck rule has all but negated the impact of premiere cover corners. The front 7's ability to collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB is the most important aspect on defense.

Signed--Randall Gay, Earthwind Moreland and Asante Samuel, 2005 Superbowl Champions

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 04:56 PM
Both are DL by the way. One from UGA. :bag:

I know they are both DLmen. I picked them because every year someone tries to justify their perceived top need by saying they will have a bigger impact. Passing up on better players to get a need position is the best formula possible to get a guy that doesn't impact the team as much, especially in the long run.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 04:58 PM
:howdy: Its negated the more physical corners who may not be as fast . So its putting a premium on speed and the value of it .

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 05:03 PM
The chuck rule has all but negated the impact of premiere cover corners. The front 7's ability to collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB is the most important aspect on defense.

Signed--Randall Gay, Earthwind Moreland and Asante Samuel, 2005 Superbowl Champions

Having the best teamwork rather than relying on superstars (cough Manning cough) wins championships.

Signed--the other 50 members of the 2005 Superbowl Champions.

The death of the CB is a nice storyline to follow the emphasis on the chuck rule, and it is total and complete BS. The best pass rushing D in the NFL last year averaged 3 sacks per game. CB's have to cover 30-40 passing plays per game. Instead of the death of the CB, the chuck rule emphasis has just narrowed the field for what is a great NFL CB.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".




Exactly. We can draft all the CBs we want but if our front 7 can not generate a consistent pass rush, we will get burned regardless because CBs can only cover WRs for so long. Prime Time agrees with me. :BananaWav

Vinny
02-17-2005, 05:57 PM
Exactly. We can draft all the CBs we want but if our front 7 can not generate a consistent pass rush, we will get burned regardless because CBs can only cover WRs for so long. Prime Time agrees with me. :BananaWav Well that is a given, but if you grade out a lineman and he is no better than what you have already what is the use of drafting him just to draft him? You have to take talent when you have the opportunity.

nunusguy
02-17-2005, 06:03 PM
No offense, but what this says is IMO exactly why you have to look at BPA instead of needs order. DL may be a higher need than CB this year, but what best serves the Texans this year and in the future (1) a great potential CB at #13 who immediatly takes over as the 3rd CB and moves Faggins to 4th (and is very likely to move Glenn to nickle or dime in 1-3 years) and a good value DL at #47 who immediately comes into the DL rotation as the 4th best DLmen or (2) a reach at #13 for a DLmen who also immediately comes into the DL rotation and a CB who may come into dime packages now and hopefully develops someday into a starter? Perceived need can't irrationally overtake the talent of the actual players available at each draft selection--well it can but it isn't a good way to build a team IMO.
FWIW, I agree with most of what you say. I should have qualified my remarks by making it clear that we shouldn't leave a clearly superior football player on the board to satisfy a > need at another position. If the other guy is just marginally superior, that's OK, but you're right - ultimately gotta go with the BPA if he's substantially better than the need guy.

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 06:16 PM
FWIW, I agree with most of what you say. I should have qualified my remarks by making it clear that we shouldn't leave a clearly superior football player on the board to satisfy a > need at another position. If the other guy is just marginally superior, that's OK, but you're right - ultimately gotta go with the BPA if he's substantially better than the need guy.

And FWIW, I agree with the above. I hate draft bar code mentality that acts like you can scan a player and it beeps and says "worth 51st pick." At best you can put people into groups of similarly talented players. Then you watch what happens above you and see who is left from your top available band--most of the time there won't be players from every position in each band. If one guy stands out you take him. If several are generally together then you take the player your team needs the most from that group. What I have a problem with is people wanting to jump whole goups of talent on need. Generally speaking--I guess I have a BPA with a needs based tie-breaker kind of draft philosophy.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 06:22 PM
:howdy: This draft is looking to be the year of the CB. I've seen two CBs Rogers and Rolle for a game . I thought Rogers can play and some have rated him the 3rd or 4th best CB. This is where you'll get the best player at 13 . I'm not sure somebody will emerge to bump Spears as the best DL. So he'll be gone .

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 08:07 PM
Well that is a given, but if you grade out a lineman and he is no better than what you have already what is the use of drafting him just to draft him? You have to take talent when you have the opportunity.



Well then may I ask why you drafted 2 defensive linemen in the mock draft?

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2005, 10:29 PM
:howdy: Don't as I do do as I say . Vinny did trade out of the 13 spot . Having said that if one or two picks hit no one will remember . It does go against the BPA theory .

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 10:42 PM
Well then may I ask why you drafted 2 defensive linemen in the mock draft?

Helloo, class, Bueller? Did he take a DL with the #13 pick--did he take one with a 1st round pick--no he waited until the value was right. That's the point--do the Texans need to draft someone on the DL, absolutely yes. Does that mean d@mn the torpedoes doesn't matter who is available at any position take the top DLmen at #13--no. At some point with 4 picks on the 1st day a DLmen that fits the 3-4 will be a good value pick--that is when one should and hopefully will be taken. In the mean time take the BPA that is in a position that isn't absolutely redundant (QB in the 1st at this point) or that the draft position will demand far to much money to justify (P, K, FB and one could argue S or TE (both of these can be exceptions--depends on the player) at #13).

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 10:42 PM
But if they are no better than what we have already what is the use of drafting them just to draft them? :howdy:

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 10:48 PM
But if they are no better than what we have already what is the use of drafting them just to draft them? :howdy:

You do understand that while there are 22 starters there are 53 players and every year teams (a) have injuries and (b) need to develop players for the future, right? Good teams may not start, i.e. they are not immediately better, any rookies from the draft--see the 3 out of 4 Patriots drafting Wilfork--but the depth they have allows continuity despite injuries and continuity when players either age or become too expensive.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 10:52 PM
So what is the problem with drafting Spears at #13. Why do you think it isn't a good value pick? That is what I want to know.

infantrycak
02-17-2005, 11:01 PM
So what is the problem with drafting Spears at #13. Why do you think it isn't a good value pick? That is what I want to know.

Nothing is wrong with it if the Texans have him graded as worth the pick. If however Pac Man, Justin Miller, DJ or Braylon Edwards is available along with Spears the Texans should decide who is the best player IMO not just who is the biggest need. If Spears is who they think is the best player or is tied with the others and the biggest need then hopefully he is their pick. But, if someone else is the better player but lessor need it is my opinion they should take the better player--in the long run it will pay off.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 11:04 PM
Brandon Everage?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Pac-Man Jones
Antrel Rolle
Derrick Johnson
Shaune Merriman

I consider these 4 better prospects than Spears, and my opinion was based on the assumption that they would all be off the board by the time our pick came thus making Spears the best player available for us. I am stating this as my opinion, not as a fact. Maybe you misinterpreted it that way.

infantrycak
02-18-2005, 09:38 AM
Brandon Everage?

Sorry, cranial flatulence--that was supposed to be Braylon Edwards. Odds are he doesn't make it to #13 but he is an example of a player who IMO if the choice came down to him or Spears you take the lessor need position and pick Edwards. AJ and Edwards would be a sick team.

TheOgre
02-18-2005, 10:01 AM
I hope we take the BPA's in the many areas that could use upgrades:
NT, ILB, DE, SS, CB, OLT, OG, C, TE, HB, WR

rhc564
02-18-2005, 12:32 PM
I hope we take the BPA's in the many areas that could use upgrades:
NT, ILB, DE, SS, CB, OLT, OG, C, TE, HB, WR

....might be easier to list what we don't need but at least we're on target
for the 5 year plan :hairpull:

TheOgre
02-18-2005, 02:00 PM
My point is that we have SO MANY areas that could use upgrading, that we might as well go for the BPA (with a few noted exceptions like QB) if possible. I don't think we have any majorly weak areas that require us to HAVE TO draft for a particular position though.

TexansTrueFan
02-19-2005, 01:00 AM
My point is that we have SO MANY areas that could use upgrading, that we might as well go for the BPA (with a few noted exceptions like QB) if possible. I don't think we have any majorly weak areas that require us to HAVE TO draft for a particular position though.


dont agree the DL needs to be upgraded or atleast get some depth in the position !

Honoring Earl 34
02-19-2005, 12:21 PM
:howdy: There are positions like CB that takes alot of natural ability to be able to gaurd a wideout for five seconds . At 13 you can get one that makes him the BPA . You can draft one in the sixth rd. and if your pass rush is good enough it will work . Its the bird in the hand theory except theres no garantees the bird in the hands going to live .

D-ReK
02-19-2005, 12:35 PM
I hope we take the BPA's in the many areas that could use upgrades:
NT, ILB, DE, SS, CB, OLT, OG, C, TE, HB, WR

Why do we need an upgrade at SS? Is there someone in the draft that you think would come in from day one and be an instant upgrade over Glenn Earl? IMO he is just as good as Thomas Davis, who is considered to be the best SS prospect available...

I'm just curious to know why so many people think we need a new SS...

Honoring Earl 34
02-19-2005, 02:18 PM
:howdy: It seems people latch on to names without putting it to the big picture . I do not believe safety is a need . Its good to have depth and if you see a safety in the 5th and hes a special teams demon take him . I think the first two picks should be value positions . I don't know if thats a term but it is now . In three years maybe the Texans are SB contenders and can pick a safety or TE in the 1st round but right now their building .
I also think folks get sentimental over a player and raise his value . Vinny liked Baas C/ G Mich. but knew he'd be their later in the draft so he got his player and a 2nd rd. pick via trade but look at the guys still there on the board you make the call .