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gtexan02
10-07-2009, 09:44 AM
List one boom and bust:

Boom: Ryan Moats. He looked much better than I was expecting.
Bust: Connor Barwin. A really promising preseason, he has yet to show up at all in the regular season

TimeKiller
10-07-2009, 10:04 AM
WAY too early for this type of thread. We're in week 5, try again in like...week 12 at least....

bigbrewster2000
10-07-2009, 10:09 AM
List one boom and bust:

Boom: Ryan Moats. He looked much better than I was expecting.
Bust: Connor Barwin. A really promising preseason, he has yet to show up at all in the regular season

Its too hard to say anyone is anything after 4 games.
Moats is doing the same thing he did last year. So I wouldnt call his performance a boom. Barwin was doing well in the preseason against 2nd teamers so this should be no surprise that he is struggling. I wasnt expecting any more than 3 or 4 sacks if he really started getting it. We still have 12 games to go so I will wait to call anyone a bust.

I will say this though I am pleased with Cushing as he seems to fit what this Defense is doing very well. He is the closest thing we have to a boom.

gtexan02
10-07-2009, 10:19 AM
WAY too early for this type of thread. We're in week 5, try again in like...week 12 at least....

LOL oh please. Im sorry I forgot to ask your permission. Maybe you missed the word "so far"?

This is a "for fun" thread on a messageboard on a Wednesday during a pretty slow week. Im sorry if this violates some unspoken rule or has upset you in some way.
Ill never understand posts like this. Why bother saying anything at all? Oh wait, I already know the answer..

ANYway, back on topic:
I think you're right on Cushing. By far the brightest surprise on our team so far.
Same with Duane Brown. He has really improved this year from what Ive been hearing

TimeKiller
10-07-2009, 10:51 AM
LOL oh please. Im sorry I forgot to ask your permission. Maybe you missed the word "so far"?
No I caught it.

So far
Boom Cushing
Bust Chris Brown

Good thing there isn't like 20 more weeks of football before judgements start being real topics.

El Tejano
10-07-2009, 10:53 AM
He's still inconsistent but I am going to give a boom to Jacoby Jones. Two TD receptions in 4 games with a Kickoff Return for a TD. He's made an impact to our team on offense because once we get in the redzone he presents a bit of a matchup problem.

My bust goes to Slaton due to lack of being able to average more yards per carry and not hitting the holes like he used to. Hopefully he is coming out of that.

Malloy
10-07-2009, 11:06 AM
Quin has looked real nice, loved his tackling vs the Raiders. Seemed to be close to the plays often.

Slaton... hm.. I hoped/expected more from him the first 3 games, hopefully his play (minus the fumble) in week 4 will set the standard for the rest of the season.

TexansSeminole
10-07-2009, 11:19 AM
Boom: Cushing and Diles.

Bust: Bennett and Okoye.

gtexan02
10-07-2009, 11:40 AM
Boom: Cushing and Diles.

Bust: Bennett and Okoye.

we certainly don't need more than 5 weeks to know that bennet is in the "bust"

This guy went from hero to zero in one offseason. Its pretty disappointing, because he had so much potential foolowing his rookie campaign

Texecutioner
10-07-2009, 12:19 PM
List one boom and bust:

Boom: Ryan Moats. He looked much better than I was expecting.
Bust: Connor Barwin. A really promising preseason, he has yet to show up at all in the regular season

I don't see how Moats could be a "Boom" player because he came in one game and had a few nice carries. It's not like he got some huge long run or a few TD's or anything like that. He just came in and showed that he was serviceable and nothing more than that.

Cushing is a "BOOM" player for sure though.

As far as Barwin goes, I'm not exactly sure if he's been on the field enough yet to accurately grade him really.

buddyboy
10-07-2009, 12:25 PM
I don't see how Moats could be a "Boom" player because he came in one game and had a few nice carries. It's not like he got some huge long run or a few TD's or anything like that. He just came in and showed that he was serviceable and nothing more than that.

Cushing is a "BOOM" player for sure though.

As far as Barwin goes, I'm not exactly sure if he's been on the field enough yet to accurately grade him really.

:goodpost: Sure, Moats had a solid game against the Raiders...but that's not enough to call him a "boom" player IMO. He's been doing what he's always done for the Texans. Come in and be a serviceable backup running back. As far as boom, I don't know if we can even dispute, it's gotta be Cushing. Bust? Mmm...I'll say Slaton.

Hear me out here. As far as busts go, there's usually high expectations, and after Slaton's rookie campaign, we all had super high expectations. I'm not saying he can't pick it up and start doing better, nor am I saying that the game against the Raiders wasn't a decent showing, but thus far, especially in the first three games, Slaton has been the biggest disappointment.

HOU-TEX
10-07-2009, 12:25 PM
Boom: I don't really think anybody deserves it. If I had to choose, it'd be Diles.

Bad (don't like using the term bust): Slaton, Bennett, Barber, Barwin, Brisiel

Still Bad: Myers, Studdard

Texecutioner
10-07-2009, 12:32 PM
:goodpost: Sure, Moats had a solid game against the Raiders...but that's not enough to call him a "boom" player IMO. He's been doing what he's always done for the Texans. Come in and be a serviceable backup running back. As far as boom, I don't know if we can even dispute, it's gotta be Cushing. Bust? Mmm...I'll say Slaton.

Hear me out here. As far as busts go, there's usually high expectations, and after Slaton's rookie campaign, we all had super high expectations. I'm not saying he can't pick it up and start doing better, nor am I saying that the game against the Raiders wasn't a decent showing, but thus far, especially in the first three games, Slaton has been the biggest disappointment.

Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything here man.

With Slaton though, I think this is going to be on Kubes. Kubes is an offensive guy that loves to run the ball. Whatever Kubes might have said or if it was the benching of Slaton for Moats, it got Slaton running hard. Kubes should be riding his ass all week long this week. Notice how Tomlin benched Mendenhall all last week because he wasn't on his stuff at practice, and then Mendenhall comes back the very next week getting the start and goes off for 191 all purpose yards? Whatever Tomlin said to him and how he benched him clearly sent the message to Mendenhall. I hope that Kubes rides Slaton's ass all week long, because Slaton really picked it up against the Raiders for a moment and showed us all what he's capable of again.

badboy
10-07-2009, 12:38 PM
I expected Cushing to be very good but he seems to impact those around him & they play better. He has given Ryans and Smith a boost and the entire D is feeding off it. I like that a "feeding defense".

My bust goes to running game and the coaches. ST coach is only one that has his team doing as should be.

76Texan
10-07-2009, 12:55 PM
No Boom, they played about as expected so far.
Zac Diles gets the nod for his consistency (which he lacked last year).
But then again we have not seen a great passing team yet.
I still have question mark about him and Cushing in the passing game.

No Bust either.
But the coaching staff needs to improve.
Antonio Smith needs to be more consistent the way the second highest paid player on the D should be.

Overall, the Texans need to be more consistent to be a play-off contender.

chicagotexan2
10-07-2009, 01:04 PM
Bust -Slaton -Although he had a solid game against the Raiders, still been slow and the fumbles are too frequent.
bust - Bennett - He looks like Petey Faggins with longer arms
Bust - Frank Bush - enough said.

Boom - Cushing, the boy can play and I don't mind the dirty hits.
Boom - The Cheerleaders - alot of boom boom.

Ryan
10-07-2009, 01:20 PM
Booms:
Cushing
D. Brown
Diles
Pollard(from what i've seen so far)

Busts:
Bennett
Barwin
C. Brown
ZBS

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Boom : Cushing and Brown.

Bust : Okoye and Barwin.

Know it's still very early on Barwin, but so far...looking like a wasted 2nd round pick. It'd really speak volumes if Jamison got snaps and looks like he belongs in the NFL.

m5kwatts
10-07-2009, 02:10 PM
My bust is Okam, its ridiculous that this guy is a healthy inactive on Sundays in his second year. He's not taking that jump.

Boom... Jacoby Jones, I knew he was a playmaker on returns but his play as a receiver has been WAY over what I thought he was... he looks like he's becoming the guy we drafted in the 3rd round

Calling Okoye a bust is weak, you can't pin the big runs on him and other than that he's been solid and had a great game last week. He's getting pressure and doing a good job.

Barwin has played 4 games!! Lol, and this is only his 2nd year as an end! I think this guy will have 5-6 sacks by seasons end and he'll show promise leading into next year.

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 02:58 PM
My bust is Okam, its ridiculous that this guy is a healthy inactive on Sundays in his second year. He's not taking that jump.

Boom... Jacoby Jones, I knew he was a playmaker on returns but his play as a receiver has been WAY over what I thought he was... he looks like he's becoming the guy we drafted in the 3rd round

Calling Okoye a bust is weak, you can't pin the big runs on him and other than that he's been solid and had a great game last week. He's getting pressure and doing a good job.

Barwin has played 4 games!! Lol, and this is only his 2nd year as an end! I think this guy will have 5-6 sacks by seasons end and he'll show promise leading into next year.

I'm not pinning the big runs on him but, we knew coming into the season holding the run wasn't his forte, so he was supposed to be able to attack gaps and get to the QB. So far a miss on both sides for the most part. I'd hope you'd expect more from a first round top, top ten draft pick. Milk and cookies for Okoye!

The fact that its his second year at DE and we took him in the second doesn't seem to bother a whole lot of people other then myself it looks like. You see it as some sort of positive somehow.

I sure hope he PERFORMS the rest of the season how you THINK. Awesome so we have to wait til next year to see some real potential from Barwin! Honestly I'm really hoping the Barwin fan boys are right, because right now I'm not seeing it. Once again we're stuck with an early round pick that sure does have a lot of potential, and little production to show. I'm glad you're happy with taking a guy who sees limited snaps as a 3rd or fourth stringer as opposed to .... I dunno picking a guy in the second who could be STARTING?

There's still next year though for both of them right?!

Texecutioner
10-07-2009, 03:03 PM
My bust is Okam, its ridiculous that this guy is a healthy inactive on Sundays in his second year. He's not taking that jump.

Boom... Jacoby Jones, I knew he was a playmaker on returns but his play as a receiver has been WAY over what I thought he was... he looks like he's becoming the guy we drafted in the 3rd round

Calling Okoye a bust is weak, you can't pin the big runs on him and other than that he's been solid and had a great game last week. He's getting pressure and doing a good job.

Barwin has played 4 games!! Lol, and this is only his 2nd year as an end! I think this guy will have 5-6 sacks by seasons end and he'll show promise leading into next year.

Dude, Okoye is sucks.

Carr Bombed
10-07-2009, 03:22 PM
Calling Okoye a bust is weak, you can't pin the big runs on him and other than that he's been solid and had a great game last week. He's getting pressure and doing a good job.

What???

He's been part of the problem in the running game. He was the one most responsible for Chris Johnson's 91 yard TD run.....he was blown off the ball (which tends to happen alot) and completely washed out of the play.

BigBull17
10-07-2009, 03:53 PM
What???

He's been part of the problem in the running game. He was the one most responsible for Chris Johnson's 91 yard TD run.....he was blown off the ball (which tends to happen alot) and completely washed out of the play.

When your DT gets blown up, it tends to let one lineman block 2. I bet it helped seal a guy off. I don't have it saved on DVR anymore, so I can't confirm. I want two fat ****s next year. I'm tired of smaller Dt's.

imatexan
10-07-2009, 04:03 PM
Dude, Okoye is sucks.

Ya but is he any worse than last year to make him a "bust" for this year?

76Texan
10-07-2009, 04:50 PM
Boom : Cushing and Brown.

Bust : Okoye and Barwin.

Know it's still very early on Barwin, but so far...looking like a wasted 2nd round pick. It'd really speak volumes if Jamison got snaps and looks like he belongs in the NFL.

Well, I did say that Barwin needs time.
One or two posters even wanted him in the first round.
And I told them ya' need to be patient.
He might not see the field that often what with Smith and other guys like Bulman we were going to put out there.

Then in the PS, some peeps liked what they saw, and I had to remind them, he still needs a lot of work.

On the other hand, I was also among the very fews who touted Jamison soon as we got him as an UDFA.
IMO, the Texans did well to render his service.

I like them both, and I also like Nadings.
So I said, the coaches would have a difficult time to pare down the roster.
I wouldn't even mind if they send Barwin to the PS and have Nadings to start the year.
But then again, people would pick off a second rounder much quicker from your PS.

Barwin did a few good things in the first four games; they just weren't noticeable.

m5kwatts
10-07-2009, 05:53 PM
What???

He's been part of the problem in the running game. He was the one most responsible for Chris Johnson's 91 yard TD run.....he was blown off the ball (which tends to happen alot) and completely washed out of the play.

Good even great DTs get blocked on plays, what you expect the guy to have 10 sacks after every game? and if we had safetys worth a lick they would make those tackles and not make the front 4 look so bad.

The Oakland game was a positive step forward. He beat Cooper Carlisle for his sack and thats an above average right guard there. The key with him is consistency.

m5kwatts
10-07-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm not pinning the big runs on him but, we knew coming into the season holding the run wasn't his forte, so he was supposed to be able to attack gaps and get to the QB. So far a miss on both sides for the most part. I'd hope you'd expect more from a first round top, top ten draft pick. Milk and cookies for Okoye!

The fact that its his second year at DE and we took him in the second doesn't seem to bother a whole lot of people other then myself it looks like. You see it as some sort of positive somehow.

I sure hope he PERFORMS the rest of the season how you THINK. Awesome so we have to wait til next year to see some real potential from Barwin! Honestly I'm really hoping the Barwin fan boys are right, because right now I'm not seeing it. Once again we're stuck with an early round pick that sure does have a lot of potential, and little production to show. I'm glad you're happy with taking a guy who sees limited snaps as a 3rd or fourth stringer as opposed to .... I dunno picking a guy in the second who could be STARTING?

There's still next year though for both of them right?!

In Mario's second season he started the year with like 4.5 sacks through 8 games or so and finished with 14.5. Give Barwin more than 4 professional games before summing up his career.

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 06:02 PM
Well, I did say that Barwin needs time.
One or two posters even wanted him in the first round.
And I told them ya' need to be patient.
He might not see the field that often what with Smith and other guys like Bulman we were going to put out there.

Then in the PS, some peeps liked what they saw, and I had to remind them, he still needs a lot of work.

On the other hand, I was also among the very fews who touted Jamison soon as we got him as an UDFA.
IMO, the Texans did well to render his service.

I like them both, and I also like Nadings.
So I said, the coaches would have a difficult time to pare down the roster.
I wouldn't even mind if they send Barwin to the PS and have Nadings to start the year.
But then again, people would pick off a second rounder much quicker from your PS.

Barwin did a few good things in the first four games; they just weren't noticeable.

The fact that you even debate placing a second rounder on the PS says a lot. He's done a few good things...but they're not noticeable? Again same thing with MK5 ya'll sure have funny ideas about waiting on your high draft picks to be productive.

Sure hope you Barwin fan boys are right and I'm VERY wrong. As it stands right now. What a whiff of a pick.

infantrycak
10-07-2009, 06:08 PM
The fact that you even debate placing a second rounder on the PS says a lot.

That would be pre-season not practice squad.

Marcus
10-07-2009, 06:19 PM
Bust -Slaton -Although he had a solid game against the Raiders, still been slow and the fumbles are too frequent.
bust - Bennett - He looks like Petey Faggins with longer arms
Bust - Frank Bush - enough said. :rolleyes:

Boom - Cushing, the boy can play and I don't mind the dirty hits.
Boom - The Cheerleaders - alot of boom boom.

No, not enough said. ELABORATE!!!!!

TexansSeminole
10-07-2009, 06:20 PM
Good even great DTs get blocked on plays, what you expect the guy to have 10 sacks after every game? and if we had safetys worth a lick they would make those tackles and not make the front 4 look so bad.

The Oakland game was a positive step forward. He beat Cooper Carlisle for his sack and thats an above average right guard there. The key with him is consistency.

Okoye gets blocked out of plays consistently. 10 sacks after every game? What? How about getting pressures consistently? He isn't doing that. One sack doesn't mean anything, except he won on one play and lost on many others. You don't draft a DT top 10 to be a pass rusher only, he needs to play well against the run. He isn't even good enough on pass plays to be a valuable player at all. Thus far anyway, I suppose he could wake up at any point.

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 06:20 PM
In Mario's second season he started the year with like 4.5 sacks through 8 games or so and finished with 14.5. Give Barwin more than 4 professional games before summing up his career.

Nice straw man argument. You could've at least cited Mario's rookie campaign but, even then on one foot he was light years ahead of what Barwin has looked like lined up against pros.

I'm not summarizing his career. If I was there's not a lot to summarize. 4 games, 3 tackles, an promising show against 2nd and 3rd teamers in pre-season and ooh ooh he beat Winston in practice once!

I'm saying that as of right now the pick is looking pretty wasted compared to second rounders that are STARTING, especially at positions we could have filled here.

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 06:24 PM
Well, I did say that Barwin needs time.
One or two posters even wanted him in the first round.
And I told them ya' need to be patient.
He might not see the field that often what with Smith and other guys like Bulman we were going to put out there.

Then in the PS, some peeps liked what they saw, and I had to remind them, he still needs a lot of work.

On the other hand, I was also among the very fews who touted Jamison soon as we got him as an UDFA.
IMO, the Texans did well to render his service.

I like them both, and I also like Nadings.
So I said, the coaches would have a difficult time to pare down the roster.
I wouldn't even mind if they send Barwin to the PS and have Nadings to start the year.
But then again, people would pick off a second rounder much quicker from your PS.

Barwin did a few good things in the first four games; they just weren't noticeable.

That would be pre-season not practice squad.

Sure looked like he was implying practice squad to me.

TheRealJoker
10-07-2009, 06:27 PM
Not too many DL make an immediate impact. When was the last time a DE came in and got a ton of sacks? Kearse when his best season was his first season?

It just doesn't happen that often. Add to it that he's in only his 2nd year ever playing the position he's gonna have a bit of a learning curve. We're developing him properly only putting him in during passing situations and letting him do what he's best at... let him develop his pass rush moves like all young DL have to do before we start labeling a high motor player with tons of upside in Barwin a bust.

infantrycak
10-07-2009, 06:28 PM
Sure looked like he was implying practice squad to me.

You're right that was ambiguous. The first reference is obviously pre-season and that is what I looked at. Any notion of sending a 2nd rounder to the practice squad is absurd on its face.

Marcus
10-07-2009, 06:29 PM
Nice straw man argument. You could've at least cited Mario's rookie campaign but, even then on one foot he was light years ahead of what Barwin has looked like lined up against pros.

I'm not summarizing his career. If I was there's not a lot to summarize. 4 games, 3 tackles, an promising show against 2nd and 3rd teamers in pre-season and ooh ooh he beat Winston in practice once!

I'm saying that as of right now the pick is looking pretty wasted compared to second rounders that are STARTING, especially at positions we could have filled here.

Now you see there. That's exactly where I thought this thread was going to end up. Using the "bust" category as convenient way to trash the coaching.:gun:

TheRealJoker
10-07-2009, 06:31 PM
Biggest Surprise: Duane Brown. His pass blocking has improved by leaps and bounds. He's also showed no signs of fatigue like last season when we had to rotate him with Salaam. Looks like our franchise LT through the 1st quarter of the season.

Biggest Disappointment: Dominique Barber. We were told that we didn't need to upgrade one of our weakest positions in safety all offseason because we had resigned Wilson and the young guy Dominique Barber was ready to step up and become a starter for us. Well he clearly wasn't. Not his fault, he's just not a starter quality player. But who expects a 6th round 2nd year player to start for us without excelling in his rookie season? Who goes through an entire NFL offseason without even trying to get someone to compete with said player? Yet another case of this team devaluing the safety position.

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 06:34 PM
Not too many DL make an immediate impact. When was the last time a DE came in and got a ton of sacks? Kearse when his best season was his first season?

It just doesn't happen that often. Add to it that he's in only his 2nd year ever playing the position he's gonna have a bit of a learning curve. We're developing him properly only putting him in during passing situations and letting him do what he's best at... let him develop his pass rush moves like all young DL have to do before we start labeling a high motor player with tons of upside in Barwin a bust.

It's not that I am wanting him to come in and get a ton of sacks, i mean.... I'm not going to lie that'd be nice. What I want is to see more from a second round pick then 3 tackles, two of them assists, in 4 games.

In the mean time there was some guys we could've picked at Barwin's spot who could be starting for us right now making an impact.

Goldensilence
10-07-2009, 06:36 PM
Now you see there. That's exactly where I thought this thread was going to end up. Using the "bust" category as convenient way to trash the coaching.:gun:

How is wanting a starter in the second round trashing the coaching?

infantrycak
10-07-2009, 06:45 PM
I think Barwin has looked like exactly what should have been expected. Pressure, but undisciplined. Very athletic and folks shouldn't forget the tipped balls he has had. Way too early to judge IMO.

silvrhand
10-07-2009, 06:46 PM
Good even great DTs get blocked on plays, what you expect the guy to have 10 sacks after every game? and if we had safetys worth a lick they would make those tackles and not make the front 4 look so bad.

The Oakland game was a positive step forward. He beat Cooper Carlisle for his sack and thats an above average right guard there. The key with him is consistency.

It's not that he gets blocked that happens to DT, but getting motorboated 5-7 yards downfield which allows the guard to then release to the 2nd/3rd level blocking on the LB/safeties for long runs = REALLY bad

Hell at least if you know you are going to get destroyed fall down and make a pile at least instead of getting blown back into people and blocking their lanes to the play.

MojoMan
10-08-2009, 01:07 AM
Ris Low Boomz!

Carr Bombed
10-08-2009, 01:14 AM
Good even great DTs get blocked on plays, what you expect the guy to have 10 sacks after every game? and if we had safetys worth a lick they would make those tackles and not make the front 4 look so bad.

LOL, Okoye is not getting "blocked" on plays.......he's getting completely "blown out" of plays, there's a BIG difference.

And no I don't expect the guy to have 10 sacks a game...that's stupid to even ask a question like that. Frankly sacks from a DT aren't even that important, don't get me wrong, I'd take'em, but I'd rather have a DT that could just hold his blocks and push the pocket back every once in a while instead of looking like he's wearing roller skates out there..

Also you're DTs are supposed to make your LBs and S's look good in run support by holding their blocks and keeping the back 7 clean.......it's not supposed to work the other way around, it all starts up front.

jppaul
10-08-2009, 01:21 AM
LOL, Okoye is not getting "blocked" on plays.......he's getting completely "blown out" of plays, there's a BIG difference.

And no I don't expect the guy to have 10 sacks a game...that's stupid to even ask a question like that. Frankly sacks from a DT aren't even that important, don't get me wrong, I'd take'em, but I'd rather have a DT that could just hold his blocks and push the pocket back every once in a while instead of looking like he's wearing roller skates out there..

Also you're DTs are supposed to make your LBs and S's look good in run support by holding their blocks and keeping the back 7 clean.......it's not supposed to work the other way around, it all starts up front.

Depends on what defense you are running, the Colts Dline's sole mandate of the past regime was to get to the quarterback, the LB's were responsible for the run.

In this defense you are getting a bit more aggressive line, one that gets upfield, so as a byproduct it would lessen thier responsiblity to keeping their LB's clean.

Carr Bombed
10-08-2009, 01:55 AM
Depends on what defense you are running, the Colts Dline's sole mandate of the past regime was to get to the quarterback, the LB's were responsible for the run.

In this defense you are getting a bit more aggressive line, one that gets upfield, so as a byproduct it would lessen thier responsiblity to keeping their LB's clean.

Yes, but even the Colts have tried to get bigger in the middle over the last few years... They were so desperate a couple of seasons ago they even picked Anthony McFarland

DocBar
10-08-2009, 02:48 AM
I don't understand all the bad feelings toward Barwin. Did some nice plays, against non-starting players in preseason, somehow anoint him as the next great passrusher or something? I thought it was obvious that he would be a project and he was drafted more for the player he could become rather than the player he is at the moment. Drafting Barwin was all about upside. Way to early to call him a bust. Sounds like the media after MW's rookie season.
Okoye is showing flashes of being productive, but until he does it consistently, he's looking like a bust. I can't figure why we're still wasting time with Okam.
Slaton looks like he's turned into the player he was drafted to be: 3rd down back/special teams.
Cush and Diles get my nod for biggest boom. We knew what we had in Demeco, but those two are turning our LB corps into a game changing force to be reckoned with.

Carr Bombed
10-08-2009, 03:57 AM
I don't understand all the bad feelings toward Barwin. Did some nice plays, against non-starting players in preseason, somehow anoint him as the next great passrusher or something? I thought it was obvious that he would be a project and he was drafted more for the player he could become rather than the player he is at the moment. Drafting Barwin was all about upside. Way to early to call him a bust. Sounds like the media after MW's rookie season.
Okoye is showing flashes of being productive, but until he does it consistently, he's looking like a bust. I can't figure why we're still wasting time with Okam.
Slaton looks like he's turned into the player he was drafted to be: 3rd down back/special teams.
Cush and Diles get my nod for biggest boom. We knew what we had in Demeco, but those two are turning our LB corps into a game changing force to be reckoned with.


I give all rookie lineman passes their first year, So I'm not going to bag on Barwin this season........right now he's just learning, which is what everybody should've expected. He's only been playing the position for a little over a year. But if it doesn't work out you do have to question the decision to draft a guy who only played the positoin for one season.

beerlover
10-08-2009, 06:04 AM
BUST

Really thought Travis Johnson would have his best season w/Texans, but it was more of the same old same old & Kubiak got tired of it & told Rick to get what you can (6th rd. pick from San Diego).

BOOM

Jacoby Jones has stepped up his game, from can he make the roster/trade him to dynamic punt returner (improved decision making/ball security) & crucial reps @ WR.

gtexan02
10-08-2009, 08:32 AM
I give all rookie lineman passes their first year, So I'm not going to bag on Barwin this season........right now he's just learning, which is what everybody should've expected. He's only been playing the position for a little over a year. But if it doesn't work out you do have to question the decision to draft a guy who only played the positoin for one season.

Its not that Barwin isn't doing well, its that when he's out there he looks like a high school kid playing in the NFL. I guess Im just primed to be scared because of the Antwaan Peek syndrome. Anyone who goes 100% in practice/offseason is bound to set their own expectation level too high

jppaul
10-08-2009, 11:09 AM
...they even picked Anthony McFarland...

That had to be intentional, right? :roast:

badboy
10-08-2009, 11:33 AM
When your DT gets blown up, it tends to let one lineman block 2. I bet it helped seal a guy off. I don't have it saved on DVR anymore, so I can't confirm. I want two fat ****s next year. I'm tired of smaller Dt's.Good luck with that, we miss our chance last draft. Only one large DT of interest in 2010 and I'm not sold on him. I'm researching DT free agents that might be available. John Jolly currently a Packer 6'3"325 lbs with 49 tackles in 2008 and 15 so far in 2009. He is Houston born. I think we better hope our current crop steps up as I see no help on horizon.

steelbtexan
10-08-2009, 12:03 PM
Yes, but even the Colts have tried to get bigger in the middle over the last few years... They were so desperate a couple of seasons ago they even picked Anthony McFarland


After the Colts traded for McFarland in midseason it helped shore up their deficencies against the run and the Colts won a Super Bowl.

This is an example of what the Texans need to do to improve their team.

I think the texans need to address their inability to stop the run in FA (Hampton and Seymour will be available). They also need to draft a big young run stopping DT in the 3rd or 4th rd. (my favs are Boo Robinson and Dan Williams)

badboy
10-08-2009, 12:47 PM
After the Colts traded for McFarland in midseason it helped shore up their deficencies against the run and the Colts won a Super Bowl.

This is an example of what the Texans need to do to improve their team.

I think the texans need to address their inability to stop the run in FA (Hampton and Seymour will be available). They also need to draft a big young run stopping DT in the 3rd or 4th rd. (my favs are Boo Robinson and Dan Williams)What is your eval of Boo based on? He is small @ 6'1" 295 & we have not done well with what we have at that size. Don't see Williams in top 10 DTs. not saying you are wrong but why do you think either will transition to help us?

davemundy
10-08-2009, 08:02 PM
I agree, it's way too early in the year for this thread. The only real boom I see so far is Cushing (http://fanhuddle.com/houstontexans/2009/10/06/cushing-teaching-texans-how-to-play-bully/). Moats did OK the other day, but I couldn't classify him as a boom yet. Likewise, I wouldn't call Barwin a "bust" yet either. Let's see what develops over the next few weeks.

steelbtexan
10-08-2009, 10:07 PM
What is your eval of Boo based on? He is small @ 6'1" 295 & we have not done well with what we have at that size. Don't see Williams in top 10 DTs. not saying you are wrong but why do you think either will transition to help us?

Booger may have been 295lbs when he was drafted but he was well over 300lbs when the Colts traded for him.

Regardless of size Booger really helped the Colts run defense greatly improve after the trade.

Dan Williams is a big run stuffing DT on an improved Ten. defense. He is their best DL and is one of the most NFL ready DT's. He is being coached by Monte Kiffin and Ed Orgeron.

The draft is a crap shoot but I like Williams chances of making an impact early in his career.

Plus I think the SEC has players that translate well to the NFL.