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rmartin65
10-06-2009, 04:53 PM
Allow me to start off by saying that I like Slaton, and I do think he has potential. However, this season I am not seeing it, and it is causing me some worry. Add that to the fact that he will never be a power back, and it led me to create this list for all of you (and myself).

Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Georgia Tech's Jonathan Dwyer, 5'11" 235
Dwyer burst onto the scene last year with 1395 rushing yards and 21 TD's. This year is not going so well, although he is still the best pro RB out there. He has ideal size/speed ratio, but I worry that he is a product of the Georgia Tech offense. He should be the first RB off the board, probably a top 10 pick.

Stanford's Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 235
Gerhart is a football player, no other way to put it. Great power, great blocking, solid hands, surprising agility and a great work ethic. Yes, I readily admit that I have a man crush. While he wont reach the 2000 yard mark he wanted this year, he should still hit 1500 yards. That might not sound too impressive, but he IS the offense. Gerhart will fall because he does not have the sexy measurables that NFL GM's covet, but I would take him in the first. He will actually be picked in the late second or early third.

Tier 2- Good prospects

Clemson's CJ Spiller, 5'11" 195
Spiller has elite speed, but he just is not big enough to be a feature back. Some team will take him in the first because of his workouts, but he will be a Reggie Bush in the pros.

Cal's Jahvid Best, 5'10" 195
What I wrote about Spiller. Best is an electrifying talent, but I dont think he will ever be a dangerous feature back in the pros. He either has to gain more weight and lose his explosiveness (which is his game), or he stays the same weight and will need to be part of a rotation. A first round pick, probably in the 20's.

Oklahoma's DeMarco Murray, 6' 214
Murray, if we were just going off of physical talent, would be a Tier 1 guy. While not huge, he has decent size and good put on another 5-7 lbs and not lose any of his speed (4.3 or so). He can catch as well as run, blocking is a slight concern. The major knock on him is injuries. He just cant stay healthy. I predict an early second call for Mr. Murray.

LSU's Charles Scott, 5'11" 234
Scott took the SEC by storm last year. He is a power back, no ifs ands or buts about it. His speed is even worse than Gerhart's, and I dont get the same "player" vibe out of him. He probably has the most power of all the backs in the draft. If he can improve on his speed he will be a late 1st guy. If not, mid second.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Tennessee's Montario Hardesty, 6' 215
Hardesty is having a career year. He has a good combination of speed and power, but is not outstanding at either. He is the definition of a 3rd rounder, good, but not spectacular.

Oklahoma State's Kendall Hunter, 5'8" 198
Hunter is short, but not small. There is a big difference. He has dynamite speed, and (like I alluded to above) surprising power. He does a decent job catching the ball, but is just over matched when it comes to blocking. I would take him in the 3rd.

Mississippi State's Anthony Dixon, 6'1" 235
Another power back (this draft has a few good ones, which bodes well for the Texans), Dixon is a tough one to peg. I know some on this board really like him, but I dont get a great feeling off of him. Sounds weird, I know. He would be a good 4th round pick, but I think he will go higher.

West Virginia's Noel Devine, 5'6" 176
If Devine had more size, he would be much higher. He is a monster, but just too small. I think he can be a great Reggie Bush player in the pros though. 3rd rounder.

beerlover
10-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Allow me to start off by saying that I like Slaton, and I do think he has potential. However, this season I am not seeing it, and it is causing me some worry. Add that to the fact that he will never be a power back, and it led me to create this list for all of you (and myself).

Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Georgia Tech's Jonathan Dwyer, 5'11" 235
Dwyer burst onto the scene last year with 1395 rushing yards and 21 TD's. This year is not going so well, although he is still the best pro RB out there. He has ideal size/speed ratio, but I worry that he is a product of the Georgia Tech offense. He should be the first RB off the board, probably a top 10 pick.

Stanford's Toby Gerhart, 6'1" 235
Gerhart is a football player, no other way to put it. Great power, great blocking, solid hands, surprising agility and a great work ethic. Yes, I readily admit that I have a man crush. While he wont reach the 2000 yard mark he wanted this year, he should still hit 1500 yards. That might not sound too impressive, but he IS the offense. Gerhart will fall because he does not have the sexy measurables that NFL GM's covet, but I would take him in the first. He will actually be picked in the late second or early third.

Tier 2- Good prospects

Clemson's CJ Spiller, 5'11" 195
Spiller has elite speed, but he just is not big enough to be a feature back. Some team will take him in the first because of his workouts, but he will be a Reggie Bush in the pros.

Cal's Jahvid Best, 5'10" 195
What I wrote about Spiller. Best is an electrifying talent, but I dont think he will ever be a dangerous feature back in the pros. He either has to gain more weight and lose his explosiveness (which is his game), or he stays the same weight and will need to be part of a rotation. A first round pick, probably in the 20's.

Oklahoma's DeMarco Murray, 6' 214
Murray, if we were just going off of physical talent, would be a Tier 1 guy. While not huge, he has decent size and good put on another 5-7 lbs and not lose any of his speed (4.3 or so). He can catch as well as run, blocking is a slight concern. The major knock on him is injuries. He just cant stay healthy. I predict an early second call for Mr. Murray.

LSU's Charles Scott, 5'11" 234
Scott took the SEC by storm last year. He is a power back, no ifs ands or buts about it. His speed is even worse than Gerhart's, and I dont get the same "player" vibe out of him. He probably has the most power of all the backs in the draft. If he can improve on his speed he will be a late 1st guy. If not, mid second.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Tennessee's Montario Hardesty, 6' 215
Hardesty is having a career year. He has a good combination of speed and power, but is not outstanding at either. He is the definition of a 3rd rounder, good, but not spectacular.

Oklahoma State's Kendall Hunter, 5'8" 198
Hunter is short, but not small. There is a big difference. He has dynamite speed, and (like I alluded to above) surprising power. He does a decent job catching the ball, but is just over matched when it comes to blocking. I would take him in the 3rd.

Mississippi State's Anthony Dixon, 6'1" 235
Another power back (this draft has a few good ones, which bodes well for the Texans), Dixon is a tough one to peg. I know some on this board really like him, but I dont get a great feeling off of him. Sounds weird, I know. He would be a good 4th round pick, but I think he will go higher.

West Virginia's Noel Devine, 5'6" 176
If Devine had more size, he would be much higher. He is a monster, but just too small. I think he can be a great Reggie Bush player in the pros though. 3rd rounder.

give me Rolle in 2nd I'll give you Gerhart in 3rd :handshake:

badboy
10-07-2009, 01:26 PM
Due to place of Texans, I have started my picks much earlier. At first I thought Gerhart would slide to round 3 but no way. I think we will be selecting at about #14 and I have him in round #2 now. He has size and good speed + he should have some blocking skills as he played as a FB some. I hope to actually see this Stanford player on the field so if anyone can give me a heads up, I'd appreciate it. My concern is if he does well he may move up to round one. It is time for us to splurge with a higher round pick for a quality power back. I see this draft as weak over all especially for RB and run stopping DTs.

beerlover
10-07-2009, 01:50 PM
Due to place of Texans, I have started my picks much earlier. At first I thought Gerhart would slide to round 3 but no way. I think we will be selecting at about #14 and I have him in round #2 now. He has size and good speed + he should have some blocking skills as he played as a FB some. I hope to actually see this Stanford player on the field so if anyone can give me a heads up, I'd appreciate it. My concern is if he does well he may move up to round one. It is time for us to splurge with a higher round pick for a quality power back. I see this draft as weak over all especially for RB and run stopping DTs.

RB position is & will probably continue to be a numbers game. They'll keep bringing in bodies, plugging them in & see if they fit. look @ N.O. they spent the #2 overall pick on a RB in 06 but the best back on the team is Thomas Pierre, undraftred in 07. It will be interesting to see how Chris Henry performs he came out of that same draft & was a 2nd rounder.

Texecutioner
10-07-2009, 01:56 PM
RB position is & will probably continue to be a numbers game. They'll keep bringing in bodies, plugging them in & see if they fit. look @ N.O. they spent the #2 overall pick on a RB in 06 but the best back on the team is Thomas Pierre, undraftred in 07. It will be interesting to see how Chris Henry performs he came out of that same draft & was a 2nd rounder.

Not just Reggie Bush. Look at Darren Mcfadden. Mcfadden has bust written all over him. He's been worse than Reggie Bush has, but no one really talks about what a failure he's been as a #3 draft pick.

beerlover
10-07-2009, 02:05 PM
Not just Reggie Bush. Look at Darren Mcfadden. Mcfadden has bust written all over him. He's been worse than Reggie Bush has, but no one really talks about what a failure he's been as a #3 draft pick.

Raiders have bust written all over them look @ JaMarcus Russel #1 pick overall. not limited to just RB.

Put McFadden in wildcat w/Miami & look out. Raiders are clueless fitting pieces to the puzzle :choke:

badboy
10-07-2009, 03:57 PM
RB position is & will probably continue to be a numbers game. They'll keep bringing in bodies, plugging them in & see if they fit. look @ N.O. they spent the #2 overall pick on a RB in 06 but the best back on the team is Thomas Pierre, undraftred in 07. It will be interesting to see how Chris Henry performs he came out of that same draft & was a 2nd rounder.Not being sarcastic but players are drafted in rounds based on what teams will think player will do. Every year I am told that some 7th rounder is starting (Diles) and some #1 busted. I couldn't care less. odds are the higher the round the great chance player will work out. Right now FS, RB, CB and DT are my greatest concerns. I have no RB for our system rated in first round. I am going with Mays to resolve FS as he could be a franchise type player if such a thing could be said of a safety. I agree with your comment on Henry but do not expect him on field unless Slaton then Moats gets hurt. The latter has minimal game time but does well when he is on field. I am disappointed in Foster because I thought by now he would replace Brown and alternate with Steve. Man I hope we beat Arizona.

rmartin65
10-07-2009, 05:14 PM
give me Rolle in 2nd I'll give you Gerhart in 3rd :handshake:

Switch 'em. Gerhart in second, Rolle in the third. Deal?

Here is some Gerhart goodness:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=uRK&q=Toby%20Gerhart%20football&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

beerlover
10-07-2009, 08:35 PM
Not being sarcastic but players are drafted in rounds based on what teams will think player will do. Every year I am told that some 7th rounder is starting (Diles) and some #1 busted. I couldn't care less. odds are the higher the round the great chance player will work out. Right now FS, RB, CB and DT are my greatest concerns. I have no RB for our system rated in first round. I am going with Mays to resolve FS as he could be a franchise type player if such a thing could be said of a safety. I agree with your comment on Henry but do not expect him on field unless Slaton then Moats gets hurt. The latter has minimal game time but does well when he is on field. I am disappointed in Foster because I thought by now he would replace Brown and alternate with Steve. Man I hope we beat Arizona.

Moats has turf toe I believe & like you said Foster has not taken advantage during his window of opportunity. Chris Brown has ball security issues in heavy traffic that cost the Texans while Henry is getting a change of scenery to back-up Slaton. They are just running the numbers until someone sticks :polevault:

beerlover
10-07-2009, 08:36 PM
Switch 'em. Gerhart in second, Rolle in the third. Deal?

Here is some Gerhart goodness:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=uRK&q=Toby%20Gerhart%20football&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

no :worldpeace:

rmartin65
10-07-2009, 09:16 PM
no :worldpeace:

2 more articles on him. Change your mind?

http://cbs5.com/sports/Stanford.Gerhart.football.2.1233927.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/06/SP591A22E3.DTL

beerlover
10-07-2009, 10:43 PM
2 more articles on him. Change your mind?

http://cbs5.com/sports/Stanford.Gerhart.football.2.1233927.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/06/SP591A22E3.DTL

IF he outshines Quiz this Saturday then we'll talk :handshake:

rmartin65
10-07-2009, 10:58 PM
IF he outshines Quiz this Saturday then we'll talk :handshake:

:handshake:

El Tejano
10-09-2009, 10:51 AM
I'll take Mark Ingram, RB from Alabama if available. He will be a good 3rd rounder.

TexansSeminole
10-09-2009, 10:59 AM
I'll take Mark Ingram, RB from Alabama if available. He will be a good 3rd rounder.

He's a sophomore. Pretty sure he is a true sophomore.

bah007
10-09-2009, 01:11 PM
He's a sophomore. Pretty sure he is a true sophomore.

He is.

beerlover
10-09-2009, 01:42 PM
the Texans liked Coffee last year (Kubiak mentioned would have taken him rd. 3 if 9'ers had not scooped him up three picks before Texans). after watching him take over the starting role he looks lean & long adding length (6010 209) better than expected speed, fluid in transition run after catch w/good ball security similar skill set to Joseph Addai. Gets another start this weekend against the Falcons, worth a watch.

What about Evan Royster, RB Penn State in 3rd?

El Tejano
10-09-2009, 01:56 PM
He's a sophomore. Pretty sure he is a true sophomore.

Doesn't hurt to look further ahead :gamer:

If Jordan Scott, RB from Colgate is still available, I just want everyone to know that I haven't given up hope.

bah007
10-09-2009, 04:14 PM
the Texans liked Coffee last year (Kubiak mentioned would have taken him rd. 3 if 9'ers had not scooped him up three picks before Texans). after watching him take over the starting role he looks lean & long adding length (6010 209) better than expected speed, fluid in transition run after catch w/good ball security similar skill set to Joseph Addai. Gets another start this weekend against the Falcons, worth a watch.

What about Evan Royster, RB Penn State in 3rd?

I like Royster. I think he will end up as a 2nd round guy.

badboy
10-09-2009, 04:19 PM
the Texans liked Coffee last year (Kubiak mentioned would have taken him rd. 3 if 9'ers had not scooped him up three picks before Texans). after watching him take over the starting role he looks lean & long adding length (6010 209) better than expected speed, fluid in transition run after catch w/good ball security similar skill set to Joseph Addai. Gets another start this weekend against the Falcons, worth a watch.

What about Evan Royster, RB Penn State in 3rd?Royster is a good player. Do we need another half back? His per carry or per catch avg is good but not much total yardage.

rmartin65
10-10-2009, 08:49 AM
Royster is a good player. Do we need another half back? His per carry or per catch avg is good but not much total yardage.

Royster is a tough one to peg. He plays in that Spread HD, which opens up alot. He has pretty good size, and the ability to add 5-10 pounds. He has good speed and agility. I worry about his power though. If the Texans are to draft a back this year, it is going to be a power back.

beerlover
10-10-2009, 11:22 PM
:handshake:

Toby Gerhart 20 attempts for 96yds. 4.8 avg. & 2 TD's
+ (1 rec. 11 yds)

Jacquizz Rodgers 33 attempts 189yds. 5.7 avg. 4 TD's
+ (5 rec. 82 yds)

:roast:

rmartin65
10-11-2009, 08:25 AM
Toby Gerhart 20 attempts for 96yds. 4.8 avg. & 2 TD's
+ (1 rec. 11 yds)

Jacquizz Rodgers 33 attempts 189yds. 5.7 avg. 4 TD's
+ (5 rec. 82 yds)

:roast:

Haha, I want to have that little chat anyway. Let me first start off by saying I misjudged Rodgers. He looks like he could be a good 3rd down back, a very good one even. However, I still dont see him as a power starting back.

Gerhart played well, I would argue that he still had the better game. Stanford's quarterback played terribly. I believe he started of 0-7, and OSU was able to load the box. Plus, I hate doing this, but take out each guys longest run. Rodgers is 32 attempts for 128 yards, 3.28 average. Gerhart is 19 attempts for 80 yards, 4.21 yards. I know, its cheap to take out longest runs. But it shows that Rodgers is more of a boom or bust kind of runner, while Gerhart is more consistent.

What do you think?

76Texan
10-11-2009, 11:05 AM
Toby Gerhart 20 attempts for 96yds. 4.8 avg. & 2 TD's
+ (1 rec. 11 yds)

Jacquizz Rodgers 33 attempts 189yds. 5.7 avg. 4 TD's
+ (5 rec. 82 yds)

:roast:

When I watched Cushing having a hard time taking down Rodgers last year, I was pretty amazed by the guy.
And he just keep on chucking along, doesn't he?

beerlover
10-11-2009, 01:04 PM
Haha, I want to have that little chat anyway. Let me first start off by saying I misjudged Rodgers. He looks like he could be a good 3rd down back, a very good one even. However, I still dont see him as a power starting back.

Gerhart played well, I would argue that he still had the better game. Stanford's quarterback played terribly. I believe he started of 0-7, and OSU was able to load the box. Plus, I hate doing this, but take out each guys longest run. Rodgers is 32 attempts for 128 yards, 3.28 average. Gerhart is 19 attempts for 80 yards, 4.21 yards. I know, its cheap to take out longest runs. But it shows that Rodgers is more of a boom or bust kind of runner, while Gerhart is more consistent.

What do you think?

to be honest I could not catch a live feed of this broadcast, regional constraints in full effect.

It's not often I get the opportunity to measure up with a fellow Texan on favorite College prospects but JaQuizz has quickly become one of my favorites. very humble young man who is always questioned about lack of size, "boom or bust" label etc...all he does is play with a chip on shoulder making big play's out of nothing. Currently in the league reminds me of Maurice Jones Drew & Darren Sproles. But stepping back a few years the other OSU had an amazing RB named Barry Sanders, I'm not saying he is the next Barry Sanders but what I am saying his cut-back ability, stopping on a dime & changing direction is a special unique talent very few ever can claim. I used to get so excited to see Barry carry the rock it was just amazing you got the feeling something special was always possible especially in a broken play where he would invent open field running.

rmartin65
10-11-2009, 01:10 PM
to be honest I could not catch a live feed of this broadcast, regional constraints in full effect.

It's not often I get the opportunity to measure up with a fellow Texan on favorite College prospects but JaQuizz has quickly become one of my favorites. very humble young man who is always questioned about lack of size, "boom or bust" label etc...all he does is play with a chip on shoulder making big play's out of nothing. Currently in the league reminds me of Maurice Jones Drew & Darren Sproles. But stepping back a few years the other OSU had an amazing RB named Barry Sanders, I'm not saying he is the next Barry Sanders but what I am saying his cut-back ability, stopping on a dime & changing direction is a special unique talent very few ever can claim. I used to get so excited to see Barry carry the rock it was just amazing you got the feeling something special was always possible especially in a broken play where he would invent open field running.

It is strange that you mentioned Sanders, because that is who he reminded me of, a poor man's Sanders. Watching this game really opened my eyes about him, and I would have no problem taking him in the 3rd or so. Maybe second. The comparison with Sanders is not all good though. Like Sanders, Rodgers does not always get positive yardage. He really is a breakout player. A player who will get 5 three yard games, then bust a fifty yarder.

beerlover
10-11-2009, 05:27 PM
It is strange that you mentioned Sanders, because that is who he reminded me of, a poor man's Sanders. Watching this game really opened my eyes about him, and I would have no problem taking him in the 3rd or so. Maybe second. The comparison with Sanders is not all good though. Like Sanders, Rodgers does not always get positive yardage. He really is a breakout player. A player who will get 5 three yard games, then bust a fifty yarder.

really? check this out - http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524 http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=379208

Barry Sanders' career football stats from his three years at Oklahoma State University of the NCAA:

Year Team ATT Yards Avg TD Rec Yards Avg TD
1986 Oklahoma State Cowboys 74 325 4.4 2 0 0 0 0
1987 Oklahoma State Cowboys 111 622 5.6 9 4 58 14.5 1
1988 Oklahoma State Cowboys 344 2628 7.6 37 19 106 5.6 0

Career 529 3575 6.8 48 23 164 7.1 1

rmartin65
10-11-2009, 09:42 PM
really? check this out - http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524 http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=379208

Barry Sanders' career football stats from his three years at Oklahoma State University of the NCAA:

Year Team ATT Yards Avg TD Rec Yards Avg TD
1986 Oklahoma State Cowboys 74 325 4.4 2 0 0 0 0
1987 Oklahoma State Cowboys 111 622 5.6 9 4 58 14.5 1
1988 Oklahoma State Cowboys 344 2628 7.6 37 19 106 5.6 0

Career 529 3575 6.8 48 23 164 7.1 1

I am sorry, I meant 3 five yard gains, not games.

beerlover
10-12-2009, 12:23 AM
after watching the Texans smash into another cloud of dust @ the goal line I wonder if it really matters who we draft to play RB. Right now I'm more inclined to draft Tim Tebow at least I know he can punch it in from the one :choke:

SAMURAITEXAN
10-12-2009, 03:19 AM
1rd safety ( Trade up if you have to)
2nd RB

FA pay big money to dominant DT if available.

MannyFresh
10-12-2009, 03:58 AM
God, finally someone else agrees about Jacquizz Rodgers!

badboy
10-12-2009, 09:56 AM
Royster is a tough one to peg. He plays in that Spread HD, which opens up alot. He has pretty good size, and the ability to add 5-10 pounds. He has good speed and agility. I worry about his power though. If the Texans are to draft a back this year, it is going to be a power back.Agreed. We are not getting anything from RB position. If Slaton was not helping out with receptions, he would be a negative so far this year. Not sure what happened to him. Moats looked good 2 games ago when kubes sat Slaton but did not see him against Cards. Someone mentioned he had turf toe but I have no confirmation.

beerlover
10-12-2009, 10:03 AM
Agreed. We are not getting anything from RB position. If Slaton was not helping out with receptions, he would be a negative so far this year. Not sure what happened to him. Moats looked good 2 games ago when kubes sat Slaton but did not see him against Cards. Someone mentioned he had turf toe but I have no confirmation.

turf toe confirmation.

badboy
10-12-2009, 10:03 AM
to be honest I could not catch a live feed of this broadcast, regional constraints in full effect.

It's not often I get the opportunity to measure up with a fellow Texan on favorite College prospects but JaQuizz has quickly become one of my favorites. very humble young man who is always questioned about lack of size, "boom or bust" label etc...all he does is play with a chip on shoulder making big play's out of nothing. Currently in the league reminds me of Maurice Jones Drew & Darren Sproles. But stepping back a few years the other OSU had an amazing RB named Barry Sanders, I'm not saying he is the next Barry Sanders but what I am saying his cut-back ability, stopping on a dime & changing direction is a special unique talent very few ever can claim. I used to get so excited to see Barry carry the rock it was just amazing you got the feeling something special was always possible especially in a broken play where he would invent open field running.I followed him in highschool and he is doing well so far in college. He is a sophomore.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=379208

badboy
10-12-2009, 10:08 AM
1rd safety ( Trade up if you have to)
2nd RB

FA pay big money to dominant DT if available.Good eval but DTs in free agency is slim. I'm looking at John Jolly 6'3" 325 Houston born Packers &
Anthony Montgomery 6'6" 330 Redskins 25yoa next March.

badboy
10-12-2009, 10:10 AM
turf toe confirmation.Thanks. Prolly could have used him if healthy yesterday.I still can't believe it took an entire half to figure out we could not pass against Cards but could pass.

MannyFresh
10-12-2009, 10:47 AM
I followed him in highschool and he is doing well so far in college. He is a sophomore.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=379208

He's doing very well, even Cushing admitted he had problems trying to tackle him.

badboy
10-12-2009, 11:27 AM
He's doing very well, even Cushing admitted he had problems trying to tackle him.
Even if he could come out this year, I could not chance a higher than 5th round on him.

MojoMan
10-17-2009, 10:29 PM
I'll take Mark Ingram, RB from Alabama if available. He will be a good 3rd rounder.

I know Ingram is a sophomore, as others in this thread have indicated. But Mark Ingram looked like the answer to the Texans running back problems tonight against South Carolina, if he were to come out.

Tonight in Birmingham, Ingram rushed 24 times for 246 yards. He was fantastic. Just what the Texans need.

Here is the box score:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=292900333

Truly an amazing performance.

ArlingtonTexan
10-17-2009, 11:36 PM
I know Ingram is a sophomore, as others in this thread have indicated. But Mark Ingram looked like the answer to the Texans running back problems tonight against South Carolina, if he were to come out.

Tonight in Birmingham, Ingram rushed 24 times for 246 yards. He was fantastic. Just what the Texans need.

Here is the box score:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=292900333

Truly an amazing performance.

...but since he is a true sophomore he is not coming out until the 2011 draft.

That said, he is built and runs like a true NFL hand me the ball 20 plus times a game RB.

beerlover
10-18-2009, 12:45 AM
Ingram runs with authority, looks durable, good hands & ball security but I think the Texans already have the answer in Slaton they just need to beef up that OL :bowser:

SAMURAITEXAN
10-18-2009, 10:25 AM
Good eval but DTs in free agency is slim. I'm looking at John Jolly 6'3" 325 Houston born Packers &
Anthony Montgomery 6'6" 330 Redskins 25yoa next March.

Sounds good to me. Sign one of them for us badboy.

Go Texans!!

badboy
10-19-2009, 11:39 AM
The info I have now is that a trade is possible for Shaun Rodgers or Seymore. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2609&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fplayers%2fprofile%3fplayerId%3d2609
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4456038
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2554

I like Rodgers who carries some heft.

WolverineFan
10-19-2009, 12:31 PM
I know everyone still wants us to get a big RB because Chris Brown is not getting it done on the goal line so I say take Brandon Minor, RB from Michigan, in the 3rd-6th round. I don't know where he will be projected, but it will probably be the 4th or 5th round range.

He's 6'1 216 lbs, but plays like he's 225+. He's as tough, physical, and as passionate a runner as anyone else in this draft. Also, Michigan uses the zone blocking principles in their offense so he could come in and contribute immediately much like Slaton did. He would be an upgrade over Chris Brown on the goal line plus he could be the priority backup to Slaton. Not a bad pickup in my mind.

badboy
10-21-2009, 10:03 AM
Sounds good to me. Sign one of them for us badboy.

Go Texans!!The last three games has shown the run avg against our defense dropping and I am concerned that Kubes will go for smaller DTs. Our success while good is based on lighter DTs with more ability than Frank Okam. Not sure that is the way to go.

badboy
10-21-2009, 10:24 AM
I know everyone still wants us to get a big RB because Chris Brown is not getting it done on the goal line so I say take Brandon Minor, RB from Michigan, in the 3rd-6th round. I don't know where he will be projected, but it will probably be the 4th or 5th round range.

He's 6'1 216 lbs, but plays like he's 225+. He's as tough, physical, and as passionate a runner as anyone else in this draft. Also, Michigan uses the zone blocking principles in their offense so he could come in and contribute immediately much like Slaton did. He would be an upgrade over Chris Brown on the goal line plus he could be the priority backup to Slaton. Not a bad pickup in my mind.WF the problem with 216 playing like 225+ in the NFL is the pounding. This is the concern for Slaton. Yeah he looks good sometimes going for 3-4 between the tackles but you have huge Dlinemen popping you as you run and some hit you pretty square. Even for a big guy it can be very harsh. I'm wanting a guy that is 230+ and plays like 260 with great hands that can catch, block and have enough speed once i the backfield to rumble for 15-20. We do not have that. Only 3 in draft right now; Scott, Gerhart and Dixon. Scott is dropping which does not say much this early. His 2009 is not as productive as 2008.

was385
10-21-2009, 10:41 AM
An interesting late round guy is Andre Dixon from UCONN. He was the starter here before donald brown took over last year and is starting now that he's gone. Listed at 6'1 210 but prob around 215-220 with room for a little more.

The thing I really like is that he fits the team needs. He's a powerful downhill runner who doesn't dance around in the backfield. He's very decisive and would be perfect for a zbs. So far this year he's got over 600 yards at 5 ypc and is splitting time at RB.

badboy
10-21-2009, 11:06 AM
An interesting late round guy is Andre Dixon from UCONN. He was the starter here before donald brown took over last year and is starting now that he's gone. Listed at 6'1 210 but prob around 215 with room for a little more.

The thing I really like is that he fits the team needs. He's a powerful downhill runner who doesn't dance around in the backfield. He's very decisive and would be perfect for a zbs. So far this year he's got over 600 yards at 5 ypc and is splitting time at RB.Hopefully no halfback types will be drafted before 6th round as we have too many needs to go after a back up for Slaton and Moats.

was385
10-21-2009, 01:16 PM
Hopefully no halfback types will be drafted before 6th round as we have too many needs to go after a back up for Slaton and Moats.

Completely agree and that's why I like dixon (that and being a uconn student). He's not going to be a starter and lacks breakaway speed, but he's powerful, has good vision, almost always gains positive yards, never fumbles and can help in the pass game as a fantastic blocking back and someone who can do a little in the flats. This team has too many holes to use a high pick on a complement back.

badboy
10-21-2009, 03:10 PM
Completely agree and that's why I like dixon (that and being a uconn student). He's not going to be a starter and lacks breakaway speed, but he's powerful, has good vision, almost always gains positive yards, never fumbles and can help in the pass game as a fantastic blocking back and someone who can do a little in the flats. This team has too many holes to use a high pick on a complement back.Sounds like a Slaton type runner. I do not follow UCONN football. What quality teams has he run on?

badboy
10-21-2009, 03:15 PM
Dixon link http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174068

What happened in 2008? Really off year. He is not listed in top 10 RBs and the 10th is projected 5-6 round.

was385
10-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Not really a Slaton type in that he's more power than speed and doesn't fumble. He's also not nearly the receiving back that slaton is and is pretty much limited to dump offs to the flats.

So far this year he's rushed for 149 yards and 3 TDs at Baylor (4.8 YPC), 95 yards and 1 TD against Pitt (5.8 YPC), and 153 yards and 3 TDs against L'Ville, but keep in mind that he was second on the depth chart until this last week's game. He's also got awesome dreads and that of course just makes a running back look awesome.

was385
10-21-2009, 03:23 PM
Dixon link http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174068

What happened in 2008? Really off year. He is not listed in top 10 RBs and the 10th is projected 5-6 round.

Donald Brown happened in 2008. They were splitting touches essentially with Dixon ahead on the depth chart in '07 then Dixon was injured for the first two games of '08 and Brown never looked back (obviously ended up leading the nation in rushing and unfortunately for me was drafted by our division rival). Dixon never really saw the field because we have a much faster back that complemented Brown well and he didn't even see the field that much. He also got suspended late in the season for a DUI but seems to have matured past that issue.

badboy
10-21-2009, 03:31 PM
Donald Brown happened in 2008. They were splitting touches essentially with Dixon ahead on the depth chart in '07 then Dixon was injured for the first two games of '08 and Brown never looked back (obviously ended up leading the nation in rushing and unfortunately for me was drafted by our division rival). Dixon never really saw the field because we have a much faster back that complemented Brown well and he didn't even see the field that much. He also got suspended late in the season for a DUI but seems to have matured past that issue.I remember Donald Brown. How is he doing in NFL?

was385
10-21-2009, 03:37 PM
Supposedly the Colts brass was incredibly impressed with how well he's picked up the system, but between splitting carries with Addai, playing behind a terrible run-blocking O-Line, and playing with Manning, he just doesn't get that many shots.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-21-2009, 08:13 PM
The last three games has shown the run avg against our defense dropping and I am concerned that Kubes will go for smaller DTs. Our success while good is based on lighter DTs with more ability than Frank Okam. Not sure that is the way to go.

Yeah, the last three games our run D improved due to addition of Pollard, GQ, and Reeves's returining IMO. I still like for us to give hard look at an athletic big DT either draft or FA after this season. As for now, our big guy like Okam isn't playing well may be due to experience or he just isn't NFL caliber or just pure back up guy.

However, you may be right on Kubes going for smaller DTs with more agile. As long as we can be successful stopping the run with smaller DTs than I have no complain. Personally, I like really big dominate DT period.

Go Texans!!!

badboy
10-22-2009, 01:54 PM
This is Okam's 2nd year and he just seems lost when I can focus on him. Maybe he just needs more time to develop, but a guy that big should get a few more tackles just standing still and allowing the back to run into him. The issue with just cutting him is there are few big DTs to replace him.

WolverineFan
10-23-2009, 12:55 PM
WF the problem with 216 playing like 225+ in the NFL is the pounding. This is the concern for Slaton. Yeah he looks good sometimes going for 3-4 between the tackles but you have huge Dlinemen popping you as you run and some hit you pretty square. Even for a big guy it can be very harsh. I'm wanting a guy that is 230+ and plays like 260 with great hands that can catch, block and have enough speed once i the backfield to rumble for 15-20. We do not have that. Only 3 in draft right now; Scott, Gerhart and Dixon. Scott is dropping which does not say much this early. His 2009 is not as productive as 2008.

I guess you've never seen Minor play. He does not take a pounding. He dishes it out. If not for a high ankle sprain that has hindered his season thus far, he would be tearing it up statistically.

was385
10-23-2009, 12:59 PM
I guess you've never seen Minor play. He does not take a pounding. He dishes it out. If not for a high ankle sprain that has hindered his season thus far, he would be tearing it up statistically.

I'm going to go ahead and guess he wasn't talking about playing style, just about the everyday pounding any running back takes in the NFL, regardless of their style (but more so when they're a lower their shoulder and run someone over type of guy).

Wolf6151
10-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Anybody know anything about Anthony Dixon? He's got good size and I've read that he's got good athleticism as well but I haven't seen him play. I'm thinking he could be ours in the 4th or 5th round. Opinions?

WolverineFan
10-23-2009, 01:12 PM
I'm going to go ahead and guess he wasn't talking about playing style, just about the everyday pounding any running back takes in the NFL, regardless of their style (but more so when they're a lower their shoulder and run someone over type of guy).

I guess so, but it doesn't matter how big you are IMO. RB's get hurt no matter what. Wanting a 260 lb guy just because he is 260 is ridiculous in my mind. Go sign Javorskie Lane and let me know how it works out. If you watch Minor you know that SOB is running his heart out. That's all you can ask for in a RB.

badboy
10-23-2009, 01:24 PM
I guess you've never seen Minor play. He does not take a pounding. He dishes it out. If not for a high ankle sprain that has hindered his season thus far, he would be tearing it up statistically.When two players collide regardless of who "wins" it is punishment to the body. Any reputable sources giving evals on your guy?

beerlover
10-23-2009, 01:25 PM
Anybody know anything about Anthony Dixon? He's got good size and I've read that he's got good athleticism as well but I haven't seen him play. I'm thinking he could be ours in the 4th or 5th round. Opinions?

same school as Jerious Norwood (mentor). power back in true sense of word like Michael Turner also playing for Atlanta Falcons w/Norwood. If Toby Gerhart is RB otpion 2a then Dixon is RB option 2b. I still want defensive playmakers 1st day or OL help, he should go in 2nd but excellent value in 3rd. :truck:

beerlover
10-23-2009, 01:31 PM
Supposedly the Colts brass was incredibly impressed with how well he's picked up the system, but between splitting carries with Addai, playing behind a terrible run-blocking O-Line, and playing with Manning, he just doesn't get that many shots.

I always enjoy your inside into UCONN. Big East is such a great resource for talent lately, hurt me to the core to see Indy take Brown, so far Addai is 100% & getting most touches but everytime Donald does get in the game he makes positive yardage. now he's a flex option on my fantasy football team as I'm looking for more touches mid season & keeping Addai fresh.

WolverineFan
10-23-2009, 01:44 PM
When two players collide regardless of who "wins" it is punishment to the body. Any reputable sources giving evals on your guy?

Not that I know of I haven't looked. I watch every Michigan game. That's my source.

badboy
10-23-2009, 02:42 PM
I guess so, but it doesn't matter how big you are IMO. RB's get hurt no matter what. Wanting a 260 lb guy just because he is 260 is ridiculous in my mind. Go sign Javorskie Lane and let me know how it works out. If you watch Minor you know that SOB is running his heart out. That's all you can ask for in a RB.No it is not all you can ask. Compare a RB like Earl Campbell that deliberately ran over defenders to Peyton who often was critized for running out of bounds. A smaller back can be a great back for many years but the avg is 4 or less. We have a fast strong back in Slaton.

Wolf6151
10-23-2009, 02:47 PM
same school as Jerious Norwood (mentor). power back in true sense of word like Michael Turner also playing for Atlanta Falcons w/Norwood. If Toby Gerhart is RB otpion 2a then Dixon is RB option 2b. I still want defensive playmakers 1st day or OL help, he should go in 2nd but excellent value in 3rd. :truck:

I agree with secondary and OL help in the early rounds (1-3) but some guys just fall in the draft for unexplicable reasons, happens every year. If this guy were still around in the 4th or 5th round though I think he might be a good pick. I like Gerhart as a 4th or 5th round pick as well but I'm not real high on him. Gerhart doesn't look athletic to me, he runs slow, stiff, and straight. He might be great in college but I doubt his NFL value. I think Gerhart and Dixon's 40 times will hurt them in the draft and there's a good chance they could be good value in later rounds.

badboy
10-23-2009, 03:55 PM
same school as Jerious Norwood (mentor). power back in true sense of word like Michael Turner also playing for Atlanta Falcons w/Norwood. If Toby Gerhart is RB otpion 2a then Dixon is RB option 2b. I still want defensive playmakers 1st day or OL help, he should go in 2nd but excellent value in 3rd. :truck:Exactly my eval Beerlover. Link for those interested
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64982&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB

One of the things I like about these two RB is they have played some FB and hopefully will have some blocking abilities as well as the size. Slaton has come a long way in this regard and either of these should do well.

badboy
10-23-2009, 04:22 PM
I agree with secondary and OL help in the early rounds (1-3) but some guys just fall in the draft for unexplicable reasons, happens every year. If this guy were still around in the 4th or 5th round though I think he might be a good pick. I like Gerhart as a 4th or 5th round pick as well but I'm not real high on him. Gerhart doesn't look athletic to me, he runs slow, stiff, and straight. He might be great in college but I doubt his NFL value. I think Gerhart and Dixon's 40 times will hurt them in the draft and there's a good chance they could be good value in later rounds.Wolf that is very helpful. Have you watched Dixon? If so, give your observations. This is part of the fun of watching those elig for draft and compare to ur needs. I have only seen Gerhart once that I can recall and I did not see what you did but will concentrate if I see him again.

Wolf6151
10-23-2009, 05:23 PM
Wolf that is very helpful. Have you watched Dixon? If so, give your observations. This is part of the fun of watching those elig for draft and compare to ur needs. I have only seen Gerhart once that I can recall and I did not see what you did but will concentrate if I see him again.

I have not seen Dixon play, thus the reason I brought him up, but I have read some opinions about him on other sites and those folks seemed to like him. I was hoping someone here might have some first hand knowledge about him and might have seen him play. I still think that both guys will have slow 40 times which will most likely hurt them in the draft and think that they'll fall a little to the 4th or 5th rounds. I've only seen a little of Gerhart videos from links, and ESPN highlights but he looks stiff to me and runs very upright, doesn't look real athletic to me. Maybe I'm wrong but I wasn't real impressed and wouldn't spend a high (1-3) pick on him.

rmartin65
10-24-2009, 12:09 PM
I have not seen Dixon play, thus the reason I brought him up, but I have read some opinions about him on other sites and those folks seemed to like him. I was hoping someone here might have some first hand knowledge about him and might have seen him play. I still think that both guys will have slow 40 times which will most likely hurt them in the draft and think that they'll fall a little to the 4th or 5th rounds. I've only seen a little of Gerhart videos from links, and ESPN highlights but he looks stiff to me and runs very upright, doesn't look real athletic to me. Maybe I'm wrong but I wasn't real impressed and wouldn't spend a high (1-3) pick on him.

I have only seen Dixon once, and was not really impressed. A fourth rounder in my book, and I could be talked into third depending on how the draft shapes up.

I have seen Gerhart play a couple of times. He posses athletic ability, there is no doubt in my mind. He is not the guy that will dance around everyone, and like I have said before, I dont think he will break many 50+ yard runs. What he does (and does well) is get 4-5 yards a carry consistently. You will rarely see Gerhart get stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage.

badboy
10-26-2009, 02:20 PM
I have not seen Dixon play, thus the reason I brought him up, but I have read some opinions about him on other sites and those folks seemed to like him. I was hoping someone here might have some first hand knowledge about him and might have seen him play. I still think that both guys will have slow 40 times which will most likely hurt them in the draft and think that they'll fall a little to the 4th or 5th rounds. I've only seen a little of Gerhart videos from links, and ESPN highlights but he looks stiff to me and runs very upright, doesn't look real athletic to me. Maybe I'm wrong but I wasn't real impressed and wouldn't spend a high (1-3) pick on him.There was a lot of talk about how slow everyone ran at last year's combine. I wonder if that will be an issue in days leading up to the event?

rmartin65
11-07-2009, 05:58 PM
Stanford just beat Oregon behind the powerful running of Gerhart. At the moment he has 35 carries for 214 yards and 3 TD's. However, before they started running out the clock he was averaging around 6.8 yards a rush. As it is, he is still averaging 6.1.

*EDIT* Gerhart- 38 carries, 222 yards (5.8) and 3 TDs. The last 10 carries were running out the clock, he was 28 for 199 (7.1) and 3 TD's.

beerlover
11-07-2009, 11:28 PM
:truck:Stanford just beat Oregon behind the powerful running of Gerhart. At the moment he has 35 carries for 214 yards and 3 TD's. However, before they started running out the clock he was averaging around 6.8 yards a rush. As it is, he is still averaging 6.1.

*EDIT* Gerhart- 38 carries, 222 yards (5.8) and 3 TDs. The last 10 carries were running out the clock, he was 28 for 199 (7.1) and 3 TD's.

Finally got a chance to see him play & what a game he had. It would not upset me in the least if the Texans drafted him with their 1st rd. pick. He did have one fumble but it was punched out on a great play, otherwise he has no ball security issues at all covers up ball with both arms in traffic & it takes two or three defenders to bring him down. Also has great vision, good burst into the hole, didn't see his long speed but I'll take his average yds per carry any day. Quote this: Toby could have the same impact offensively as Cushing has defensively for the Texans. He fits a need, has the talent for the next level & in this offense would be un-stoppable.

kastofsna
11-07-2009, 11:53 PM
Stanford just beat Oregon behind the powerful running of Gerhart. At the moment he has 35 carries for 214 yards and 3 TD's. However, before they started running out the clock he was averaging around 6.8 yards a rush. As it is, he is still averaging 6.1.

*EDIT* Gerhart- 38 carries, 222 yards (5.8) and 3 TDs. The last 10 carries were running out the clock, he was 28 for 199 (7.1) and 3 TD's.

i'm not sure the reasoning for asterisking the running out the clock carries.

rmartin65
11-08-2009, 09:13 AM
:truck:

Finally got a chance to see him play & what a game he had. It would not upset me in the least if the Texans drafted him with their 1st rd. pick. He did have one fumble but it was punched out on a great play, otherwise he has no ball security issues at all covers up ball with both arms in traffic & it takes two or three defenders to bring him down. Also has great vision, good burst into the hole, didn't see his long speed but I'll take his average yds per carry any day. Quote this: Toby could have the same impact offensively as Cushing has defensively for the Texans. He fits a need, has the talent for the next level & in this offense would be un-stoppable.

You are on the bandwagon then? Score!

i'm not sure the reasoning for asterisking the running out the clock carries.

5.8 yards per carry is not unbelievable in the college game. For people looking only at the stats, I wanted them to know he was running against 8 or 9 guys in the box for the last 10 carries.

badboy
11-13-2009, 02:15 PM
:truck:

Finally got a chance to see him play & what a game he had. It would not upset me in the least if the Texans drafted him with their 1st rd. pick. He did have one fumble but it was punched out on a great play, otherwise he has no ball security issues at all covers up ball with both arms in traffic & it takes two or three defenders to bring him down. Also has great vision, good burst into the hole, didn't see his long speed but I'll take his average yds per carry any day. Quote this: Toby could have the same impact offensively as Cushing has defensively for the Texans. He fits a need, has the talent for the next level & in this offense would be un-stoppable.I think a back like Gerhart or Dwyer would really excel with out team. They don't need much of a crack and can power through. Both are down hill runners and tough to bring down. Both will be 21 at beginning of season and offer several years of quality RB barring injury. This type would also help Slaton and Moats. AJ and JJ out wide one side with Slaton out to the other with Moats and Dwyer or Gerhart in backfield.

TexansSeminole
11-19-2009, 08:05 PM
One thing that I look for in a running back is toughness and durability. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but if you look at Ga Tech and their triple option you will see Dwyer getting hit on every play. To defend that triple option you have to tackle the fullback because they will either fake or run that fullback dive on every run play. Dwyer plays the fullback in that system and he is constantly getting hit. It shows toughness and a willingness to do what it takes to win when a talented back like that doesn't complain about being the guy who gets hit on every play. It takes a special back to keep a defense so honest on that triple option. If you don't tackle the fullback against Ga Tech, Dwyer will kill you all game long.


One downside to that offense for Dwyer's transition to the NFL is pass protection. He usually stays in to block on pass plays, but Ga Tech rarely throws the ball. He looks comfortable in pass pro, but I am sure scouts will look at his inexperience in it when evaluating him.

Anyway, I thought it was worth mentioning.

badboy
11-20-2009, 03:08 PM
One thing that I look for in a running back is toughness and durability. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but if you look at Ga Tech and their triple option you will see Dwyer getting hit on every play. To defend that triple option you have to tackle the fullback because they will either fake or run that fullback dive on every run play. Dwyer plays the fullback in that system and he is constantly getting hit. It shows toughness and a willingness to do what it takes to win when a talented back like that doesn't complain about being the guy who gets hit on every play. It takes a special back to keep a defense so honest on that triple option. If you don't tackle the fullback against Ga Tech, Dwyer will kill you all game long.


One downside to that offense for Dwyer's transition to the NFL is pass protection. He usually stays in to block on pass plays, but Ga Tech rarely throws the ball. He looks comfortable in pass pro, but I am sure scouts will look at his inexperience in it when evaluating him.

Anyway, I thought it was worth mentioning.Correct. My concern is all the extra hits he gets when he does not have the ball. He is big and strong but that is a pounding. He will need blocking skills if he is drafted by Houston.

rmartin65
11-22-2009, 11:16 AM
Stanford lost last night to Cal, 34-28. Gerhart had 20 carries for 134 yards and 4 TD's.

bah007
11-22-2009, 01:17 PM
Stanford lost last night to Cal, 34-28. Gerhart had 20 carries for 134 yards and 4 TD's.

He also trucked about three guys after he caught a pass on a screen.

For me the jury is still out on whether or not Gerhart can be the complete package as a RB in the pros but I have no doubt that he has some sort of future in the NFL. The guy can play.

rmartin65
11-22-2009, 02:06 PM
He also trucked about three guys after he caught a pass on a screen.

For me the jury is still out on whether or not Gerhart can be the complete package as a RB in the pros but I have no doubt that he has some sort of future in the NFL. The guy can play.

Yea, I was watching the game, that was sick as hell.

I dont know if he can be a true feature back, but a Slaton (from lst year-slimmed down and explosive)/ Gerhart combo would be nasty.

TheRealJoker
11-26-2009, 12:40 PM
Adding Gerhart would give us one heck of a one-two punch!!! Gerhart could be our starter, getting the majority of the carries and the battering ram we need to keep Peyton off the field. Slaton would be in his more natural 3rd down back role and would allow us to get creative with packages having both guys on the field and give Slaton more opportunities in space because Gerhart would handle the interior OL.

Shore up the interior OL, add Gerhart and this offense is not only elite in yards but also in scoring points. Then we can actually finish a game because we can run out the clock.

TheRealJoker
11-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Watching Toby Gerhart trucking ND defenders tonight reminded me of Earl Campbell...

rmartin65
11-28-2009, 10:47 PM
Ok, who watched the Stanford- Notre Dame game? Gerhart was an absolute beast, thats all I have to say. Good night everyone.

Esoom
11-28-2009, 10:49 PM
That Notre Dame game was like a live highlight reel for Toby the Tank. If the Texans draft him I would get his jersey as soon as the pick is announced.