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TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 05:22 PM
Texans defense dominated the worst offense in the league and the offense and special teams made enough plays to give us an early lead forcing them to throw with the worst QB in the league. This is what we were supposed to do and its about time the Texans showed up and dominated a team that they were supposed to dominate instead of laying an egg and losing or barely squeaking out a win.

My positives from the game:

1) Ryan Moats looks like a solid complement to Slaton and I think he deserves to get more carries. When he got into the game and started playing well that made Slaton get his head out of his rear and make some plays while HOLDING ON TO THE FOOTBALL!!!

2) Brian Cushing is getting better with every game. He gives us a much needed attitude and an enforcer type on our defense which we've never had before. The sky is the limit for him potential wise.

3) The defense got excellent pressure on Russell, Mario is due for a multisack game soon. He is getting consistent pressure and coming a fraction of a second of getting the sack but at least he got one with a forced fumble today!

4) The OL and DL looked good today, both of Slaton's tds were due to flawless blocking by the OL getting down the field and finishing their blocks. If Cushing isn't the MVP, I think the whole OL unit should be the MVPs today. DL got consistent pressure and held the LOS to stuff the run. We won both battles in the trenches today and I cant remember the last time we did that.

5) Bernard Pollard and Glover Quinn: Its nice to see a safety get in the right gap and make the tackle. I'm happy we've got a bonafide run stopping safety on the roster. We're gonna need him to keep being that last line of defense the rest of the season to make a playoff run. Its also nice to see a CB other than Fred Bennett opposite Dunta Robinson. Quinn wasn't a liability and made some good plays today. Not bad for a rookie but I am concerned of him one on one against Fitz or Boldin next week.

Negatives:

1) Matt Schaub showed some flaws in his game he's going to need to improve to hit the next level as a QB. The Raiders have a very good secondary and are excellent about taking away the deep ball. Schaub made his OL look bad taking sacks waiting for the deep ball to come that was never there when he had plenty of time to throw the ball in the pocket. He had early success hitting AJ and Walter deep but you cant expect that to happen all the time against the Raiders. He needs to learn to check down when we play a tough secondary. Dink and dunk when necessary, the deep ball isn't always going to be there.

2) Jacoby Jones: Excellent kick return touchdown but followed it up by putting the ball on the ground. He's knocking on the door of becoming a good football player but he's gotta be more consistent, you cant put the ball on the ground.

3) Steve Slaton: He got a couple tds thanks in large part to tremendous blocking by his OL on both plays but he put the ball on the ground early in the game which could've been disastrous against any other team given the way our defense has performed the first 3 games this season. He didn't start running well until Moats came in and showed him how we expected Slaton to perform since the beginning of the season.

4) Offensive play calling: Real lack of variety in the 2nd half. Again, against any other team that would've hurt us given our defense's history this season against a real NFL offense. The Raiders crowd around the LOS knowing we're gonna run up the middle and we run up the middle. I didn't care that we ran it a lot in the 2nd half and preserved the lead but try some misdirection with WR reverses or audible out of a run and throw a quick pass to get the defense to stop putting 8 in the box.

hradhak
10-04-2009, 05:31 PM
I agree with pretty much all of the things you said.

1. Moats could be a good complement to Slaton. He seems to be a little more shifty and will take the pressure off.

2. Cushing's a beast.

4. I agree that the D-line looked better. I was more impressed with our ability to stop the run than anything else. I think Russell made our defense look better than they really were. They dropped so many balls too that helped our cause a lot.

5. I wasn't paying attention to Pollard much, but I hope to see him there, Busing just doesn't cut it.

Negatives:

2) JJ is going to lose his spot. If he's gonna drop balls we can have AD take punt returns. I'd rather he catches all of them and never returns one than lose one and return for a TD.

3. I think Slaton needs to be on a short leash. He's a good player, but he needs to know that Moats is there to take his spot at any time if he's going to fumble.

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 05:31 PM
Yeah....the raiders are absolutely terrible. I feel sorry for fans who have to watch that mess every week. Russell ought to feel ashamed of himself for picking up his game check every week.

All & all, i wont put too much stock in this win. I need to see what they look like against a competent offense.

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 05:33 PM
Yeah....the raiders are absolutely terrible. I feel sorry for fans who have to watch that mess every week. Russell ought to feel ashamed of himself for picking up his game check every week.

All & all, i wont put too much stock in this win. I need to see what they look like against a competent offense.

How about thoughts on our offense vs the Raiders defense? The Raiders defense is solid. Very good secondary and above average front 7.

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 05:36 PM
I agree with pretty much all of the things you said.

1. Moats could be a good complement to Slaton. He seems to be a little more shifty and will take the pressure off.

2. Cushing's a beast.

4. I agree that the D-line looked better. I was more impressed with our ability to stop the run than anything else. I think Russell made our defense look better than they really were. They dropped so many balls too that helped our cause a lot.

5. I wasn't paying attention to Pollard much, but I hope to see him there, Busing just doesn't cut it.

Negatives:

2) JJ is going to lose his spot. If he's gonna drop balls we can have AD take punt returns. I'd rather he catches all of them and never returns one than lose one and return for a TD.

3. I think Slaton needs to be on a short leash. He's a good player, but he needs to know that Moats is there to take his spot at any time if he's going to fumble.

JJ oozes potential but I think that he is a tradeable asset if he doesn't get more consistent. He's a threat to score anytime he touches the ball, but he's also a threat to fumble. We have plenty of playmakers on this team that hold on to the ball, we can trade him to a team and shore up one of our glaring weaknesses and get a DT or some safety help if he's not going to be consistent.

I hope Slaton's fumbling problem was rectified by the emergence of Moats today. It seemed he stepped his game up once he saw that Moats was running well.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 05:40 PM
How about thoughts on our offense vs the Raiders defense? The Raiders defense is solid. Very good secondary and above average front 7.

329 total yards against that defense isn't something to shout home about. Slaton was terrible. We lost the football twice, once on a really bad decision by Schaub and the other being the Slaton fumble. Slaton had 21 carries and 65 yards. Not really very good at all. Now take away his 32 yard TD and look at the numbers. Steve Slaton is finished in the NFL for me. We need a RB. Schaub only completed half of his passes. 9 points were not as a result of our offense, the safety and the pooch kick TD return. Not acceptable if we're going to be a playoff contender.

We did not dominate anyone today.

hradhak
10-04-2009, 05:43 PM
How about thoughts on our offense vs the Raiders defense? The Raiders defense is solid. Very good secondary and above average front 7.


Schaub didn't exactly light them up though. The 4 (5?) sacks today were mostly coverage sacks, not to mention the several scramble-run OOB or scramble for 1 yard gains. I'm surprised he didn't drop it to the check down receiver more often. I would say that Schaub managed a good game against a good defense and we got some better play out of our running game, but overall this wasn't our best offensive game.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 05:44 PM
Jacoby Jones' TD was off a pooch kick. A pooch kick is much much easier to break out on for a kick returner. The ball is not kicked as high as well as there being more ground to cover. The pooch kick allows our blockers to get in place and clear a path for Jones. He found that path. Actually, my 12 year old niece saw that opening for Jones BEFORE he ran it.

I was finished with the Jacoby Jones experiment before the season and I hate that he's still on our team.

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 05:44 PM
329 total yards against that defense isn't something to shout home about. Slaton was terrible. We lost the football twice, once on a really bad decision by Schaub and the other being the Slaton fumble. Slaton had 21 carries and 65 yards. Not really very good at all. Now take away his 32 yard TD and look at the numbers. Steve Slaton is finished in the NFL for me. We need a RB. Schaub only completed half of his passes. 9 points were not as a result of our offense, the safety and the pooch kick TD return. Not acceptable if we're going to be a playoff contender.

We did not dominate anyone today.

That's correct. That's why Schaub's gotta improve by finding his checkdown options instead of waiting for the deep ball to open up. That's why Shanahan has to get more creative in the playcalling if we're dead set on playing not to lose and running out the clock by adding more misdirection runs getting the WRs involved to his playcalling arsenal. And that's why Steve Slaton must improve by protecting the ball and not waiting until another RB starts running hard before he steps his game up.

Turning the ball over is not acceptable!!!

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 05:46 PM
Schaub didn't exactly light them up though. The 4 (5?) sacks today were mostly coverage sacks, not to mention the several scramble-run OOB or scramble for 1 yard gains. I'm surprised he didn't drop it to the check down receiver more often. I would say that Schaub managed a good game against a good defense and we got some better play out of our running game, but overall this wasn't our best offensive game.

Exactly. Schaub played okay against a very good secondary but he needs to get better. He held the ball too long waiting for the big play or just forced it when it wasn't there like the INT in the endzone and it could cost us if we play another talented secondary (that one in Arizona is pretty good) that has an offense that can score a lot of points.

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 05:47 PM
329 total yards against that defense isn't something to shout home about. Slaton was terrible. We lost the football twice, once on a really bad decision by Schaub and the other being the Slaton fumble. Slaton had 21 carries and 65 yards. Not really very good at all. Now take away his 32 yard TD and look at the numbers. Steve Slaton is finished in the NFL for me. We need a RB. Schaub only completed half of his passes. 9 points were not as a result of our offense, the safety and the pooch kick TD return. Not acceptable if we're going to be a playoff contender.

We did not dominate anyone today.

Did you watch the game or just check the stat sheets? Not trying to be rude or anything, but we went into complete offensive prevent defense in the entire 2nd half. We had 5 pass attempts for the ENTIRE half. Its tough to get big yardage when the defense knows 100% that you're going to run it up the gut. The score and stats made it look much closer than it actually was

The Raiders were completely inept on offense today, and Kubiak knew that they had no chance of coming back on us down 20+ There was no need to air it out. This isn't college. You don't get style points. A W is a W.

Saying that our offense didn't blow anyone out is like saying David Carr compiled great stats in the 4th quarter. Its a totally different ball game when one team completely shuts it down because the game is already completey out of reach.

Slaton scored 2 TDs today. He got 10 yards on a play where he had to break 3-4 tackles to get anything. He had a long 30+ yarder. He's dead to you because he only got a few yards at the end of the game? He and Moats did an excellent job. We had 125+ yards on the ground today

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 05:55 PM
Did you watch the game or just check the stat sheets? Not trying to be rude or anything, but we went into complete offensive prevent defense in the entire 2nd half. We had 5 pass attempts for the ENTIRE half. Its tough to get big yardage when the defense knows 100% that you're going to run it up the gut. The score and stats made it look much closer than it actually was

The Raiders were completely inept on offense today, and Kubiak knew that they had no chance of coming back on us down 20+ There was no need to air it out. This isn't college. You don't get style points. A W is a W.

Saying that our offense didn't blow anyone out is like saying David Carr compiled great stats in the 4th quarter. Its a totally different ball game when one team completely shuts it down because the game is already completey out of reach

Huh? I really don't think you read my post closely. Where was I talking about us airing it out? In fact... I only had one sentence referring to our passing attack. Very confused by your response to me here.

I specified that our problem was the rushing with the rant on Steve Slaton. The Texans as a unit averaged 2.9 yards per rushing attempt today with yet another fumble.

Our offense did n-o-t blow anyone out today. I was at the game myself and it's harder to see how we do overall so when I come home, I hit the stats. The thing is... I came home today knowing that the stats were going to suck. Slaton was terrible and has been terrible all year long. I saw it with my own eyes and the stats confirmed it.

Peace, my friend. We're both Texans fans.

Fox
10-04-2009, 06:09 PM
I had fun watching the game, so it was a good day.

Thoughts -
Offense
Schaub - Looked alright in the first half, way too hesitant in the 2nd half. It was the Jags game all over again, except this time we were playing a horrible offense and didn't need to keep pace with anyone.
Slaton - He's still got the burst to take good blocking for big gains, he just hasn't shown the knack to run for tough yards this year like he did last year.
Duane Brown - I'm making my opinions based on what I see on TV, but this guy deserves props IMO. He's taken some big steps forward this year, looks good in pass pro, and he's getting out to the 2nd level and setting up some great blocks. Very athletic tackle, I think we have a good player here.

Everyone else on O, meh, no big revelations.

Defense -
Overall, yes we were playing the Raiders, but yes if we gave Fargas or DMac a hole like we've been giving they would've taken it for a huge gain. We didn't. Their offense is horrible, but our D made progress by not giving up the big run and putting a body on every receiver. Yes, sadly that is progress.
Cushing - Beast. Cut out the unnecessary stuff, but beast.
Mario - Beast. That strip sack wasn't a mistake, he'd been close to doing it about 5 times. Even when he doesn't show up in the sack column, he's making passers throw the ball.
Diles - Great game, loved seeing him blow up the reverse as we've had so much trouble with those.
McCain, Quin - Nothing super special, but they don't look stupid like Bennett. I want to see more of them.
Pollard - Looks promising. Much needed presence vs the run.
Barber - Was Wilson benched or hurt? Either way Barber had a decent game.

Fred Bennett - Our D looks much better when he's sitting on the sideline.

Texans#1Fan
10-04-2009, 06:32 PM
Okay, the Defense stood up today and stopped the run! I think we can improve and Pollard looks good. Cushing is an animal, awesome linebacker who will continue to improve. I think Moats should get the start for next game he looked good and gave the offense a spark that the offense needed. It also seemed to spark slaton to start moving the ball. One thing I saw from Moats is he would cut back once and got up field. Slaton seemed to dance around to much to look for that lane. OL did a great job. I think we can improve on the play calling. Other than that the team played like they should have in this game and we better play better for next weekend. Cardnals are going to be looking for a win with a couple of their loses as well.

DiehardChris
10-04-2009, 06:35 PM
I'm glad we won, but I can't get excited about it. We're not going to be able to put as many in the box against the Cards as we did against the Raiders. The Texans knew the Raiders had NO passing game, so of course they could do everything to stop the run with NO fear of being burned.

Next week - not the same thing at all against Kurt Warner.

OzzO
10-04-2009, 06:48 PM
An interesting stat that flashed on the screen during the game that if they took away the 4 or so big runs against our defense in the first 3 games, the defense ranks revises from last to a "respectable" high 20's.

I wasn't impressed with coverage of the Raider's WR's. If not for the bad passes and non-catches with minimal coverage around - it would've been a little more interesting for our defense.

Schaub looked off today - majority of the passes needing recievers to stretch out, up, or down to catch. Need to get it back in the breab basket or on the run so they don't need to slow up.

Lastly - the fans - half of ya clearing out with 7 minutes or so left in the game? (Fancy club level before that). Seriously? Good thing you've seen so many wins at home this year. Then the dogging of a win? Don't care how it was done, glad it was done and that the Texans could coast the 2nd half and the announcers even mentioning perhaps to take Schaub out in the 4th - when was the last time THAT was mentioned for our team? Would you have preferred a loss or closer game?

Positives
- run defense! Thank you for stepping up.
- Pollard - good first game
- the boys....pffft.... the 50's MEN
- Moats - thanks for coming in to wake up Slaton (Thanks Kubiak for a needed pull out of the game)
- A. Smith and Amobi sighting! Brief - but I saw em!

Norg
10-04-2009, 06:57 PM
good win


- i think in the 2nd half we played not to lose

- I think Owen D today showed why he IS replaceable

-I think our red zone playcalling could use some work

-i think Matty should never scramble ever agian unless its a bootleg

- i also think running up the middle is not the best ideas since there were i Think our O line is the softest


good win but lets get rdy for the real challenge the Defending NFC champs coming off a bye

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 06:58 PM
329 total yards against that defense isn't something to shout home about. Slaton was terrible. We lost the football twice, once on a really bad decision by Schaub and the other being the Slaton fumble. Slaton had 21 carries and 65 yards. Not really very good at all. Now take away his 32 yard TD and look at the numbers. Steve Slaton is finished in the NFL for me. We need a RB. Schaub only completed half of his passes. 9 points were not as a result of our offense, the safety and the pooch kick TD return. Not acceptable if we're going to be a playoff contender.

We did not dominate anyone today.

The offense was fine, we just went into shutdown mode after the 1st half, & rightfully so b/c Russell & the offense weren't going to come back. The raiders also have a pretty good secondary & i'll take a sack rather than have him try to force something & turn the ball over. I am concerned about the run though despite us having our best performance all year.

& schaub's int wasn't a bad decision. You've got arguably the best WR in the game against the team's #2 cb - who AJ had been abusing all half at that. Schaub just underthrew the ball a little bit & johnson made a great play on it. Did you think it was a bad decision by schaub when AJ scored his 1st TD on the same play in the Tennessee game?

Furthermore no Qb is going to play 100% all the time; Finally we didn't need him to be superman to win the game for us, he had a little help from the defense & special teams. Some of you guys i just don't understand..

jppaul
10-04-2009, 07:02 PM
Can't really make a big deal about the second half, the play calling was aimed at running the clock out from that first possession of the second half. If it mattered we might have hit the gas again, just glad that it didn't.

Dimitri_0515
10-04-2009, 07:06 PM
Congrats to Texans fans. You guys are on your way to the playoffs. Keep up the good work.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 07:07 PM
The offense was fine, we just went into shutdown mode after the 1st half, & rightfully so b/c Russell & the offense weren't going to come back. The raiders also have a pretty good secondary & i'll take a sack rather than have him try to force something & turn the ball over. I am concerned about the run though despite us having our best performance all year.

& schaub's int wasn't a bad decision. You've got arguably the best WR in the game against the team's #2 cb - who AJ had been abusing all half at that. Schaub just underthrew the ball a little bit & johnson made a great play on it. Did you think it was a bad decision by schaub when AJ scored his 1st TD on the same play in the Tennessee game?

Furthermore no Qb is going to play 100% all the time; Finally we didn't need him to be superman to win the game for us, he had a little help from the defense & special teams. Some of you guys i just don't understand..

I understand the going into shutdown mode for the 2nd half. I can buy that. But what I can't buy is how we ended up in the red zone 4 times and only made something out of just one. For the whole game we went 1-5 in the red zone. That's just not good enough for a playoff caliber team.

The Schaub interception was definitely a bad decision. Nothing like the play that was executed last week. I mean... it was an interception to begin with. Last week, I can't state but I'm pretty sure Schaub wasn't on the run for the AJ TD. Schaub appeared to be on the run with this one and it ended up getting underthrown. Schaub should have taken the sack or thrown it out of bounds.

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 07:15 PM
& schaub's int wasn't a bad decision. You've got arguably the best WR in the game against the team's #2 cb - who AJ had been abusing all half at that. Schaub just underthrew the ball a little bit & johnson made a great play on it. Did you think it was a bad decision by schaub when AJ scored his 1st TD on the same play in the Tennessee game?


Schaub threw it into double coverage on 3rd down when we were in FG range. We were down early in Tennessee and needed a big play plus he had his man beat and Schaub put it in the corner of the endzone where only he could possibly catch it. Apples to oranges comparison.

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 07:18 PM
I understand the going into shutdown mode for the 2nd half. I can buy that. But what I can't buy is how we ended up in the red zone 4 times and only made something out of just one. For the whole game we went 1-5 in the red zone. That's just not good enough for a playoff caliber team.

The Schaub interception was definitely a bad decision. Nothing like the play that was executed last week. I mean... it was an interception to begin with. Last week, I can't state but I'm pretty sure Schaub wasn't on the run for the AJ TD. Schaub appeared to be on the run with this one and it ended up getting underthrown. Schaub should have taken the sack or thrown it out of bounds.

eh, i disagree, we took a shot to end it in the 1st half & we lost, nothing to really be ashamed of there. If you want to be technical, we should've just let the time run down & took the FG to ensure we get points.

As someone stated, the raiders secondary is really the strength of their team & if you're not going to throw at Asomauga (sp?) which shuts down 1 side of the field, that already makes it tough. In addition to this, you can't run guys off when you're down in the red zone & that plays right into the secondary's hands. The raiders defense is no slouch & All things considered, i think schaub & the offense did a good job of working around them.

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 07:23 PM
Schaub threw it into double coverage on 3rd down when we were in FG range. We were down early in Tennessee and needed a big play plus he had his man beat and Schaub put it in the corner of the endzone where only he could possibly catch it. Apples to oranges comparison.

Go back & watch this play. AJ had his guy beat in this one as well, schaub just underthrew it; doesn't matter what down it was. If anything you should get upset at the play call. I would argue that him throwing that same pass in the tennessee game was the worse decision b/c if that ball is picked off & Tennessee goes down to score off that we're down 21-0 or 17-0 & we might not be able to come back from that.

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 07:24 PM
There was a CB and a Safety in the area. On 3rd down with the opportunity to make it a 3 score game with a FG you dont take that shot. Bad call by Schaub.

thunderkyss
10-04-2009, 07:24 PM
I didn't see much today that I didn't expect to see. Matt Schaub is very, very conservative with the ball. Good thing? Bad thing? Toda it didn't hurt us.... Schaub is a rhythm QB. He's fairly accurate. & that's it. He doesn't have a rocket arm. He isn't an improvisor. He isn't a field general. Rhythm... Accuracy... If he's going to take us where we want to go, he's got to get a lot better at getting his rhythm & starting early. & he's got to get a lot better at putting that ball where our only our guy can get the ball, regardless who is covering him.

Offensive Line IMHO, isn't going to cut it. If Schaub is going to sit back there & hold the ball, they have to hold their blocks until the whistle blows.

We can't run the ball.

Defensively, this is what we needed. A poor, poor offense to let our young guys come together, and learn to play as a team. Week 1 we faced the AFC's leading rusher. Week 2, smash & dash. Week 3, little hercules. Week 4...... ahhhhhhh.

The Defensive line was able to finish on several plays, because Jamarcus took too long, & didn't know what to do with the ball. Most of his throws went incomplete, because it was a bad throw, or his receivers screwed up. our CBs & Safeties didn't do much.

Pressure by the DL had a little to do with it, don't get me wrong. But I don't believe there was any more pressure on Jamarcus, than was put on Garrard, Collins, & Sanchez. Those QBs were just better able to handle it.

Demeco did knock a ball away form a receiver. Barber knocked a ball away from a receiver.. Dunta got beat, burned, juked, and IMHO humiliated. Is he 100%, can we start critiquing his play vs his $9 million contract, or are we still giving him time to recover?

The LBs are the strength of this defense, and they're getting better every game.


Did you watch the game or just check the stat sheets? Not trying to be rude or anything, but we went into complete offensive prevent defense in the entire 2nd half. We had 5 pass attempts for the ENTIRE half. Its tough to get big yardage when the defense knows 100% that you're going to run it up the gut. The score and stats made it look much closer than it actually was


I couldn't take it. I left the game with 8 minutes left in the 4th. Then I heard on the radio, that Kubiak decided to take that time, and work on the running game. He says we've got 46 snaps on film, and they'll go back & look at that to hopefully improve our run game in the future.

I don't like that answer. We've got "snaps" on film going back to New Orleans in the preseason.. haven't done us much good.

But.... it was plausible. I think we need to work on putting drives together. Something we're going to need to be able to do, running the ball, throwing the ball, doesn't matter. Our offense needs to learn how to stay on the field, and get points out of every possesion, especially possesions off turnovers, when your 10 yards from field goal range.

But it's a W, & I'm happy about that. We're 2-2, losing a game to the Jags & the Jets.. no matter who you are, you thought we would win one of those, & we didn't. That means we're going to have to win a game that we didn't think we would win... Would that be Tennessee in Tennessee?

San Francisco is another game I thought we would win. But they look real. Just hung 40 on the team they were supposed to dominate against. 2 defensive scores, & a special teams score.

ObsiWan
10-04-2009, 07:28 PM
I was at the game. I was NOT impressed. Schaub played like he was on qualudes or something and not just in the second half.

Once again, Oakland's secondary or our "brilliant offensive braintrust" or Schaub's inability to throw on time shut down Andre Johnson. I counted two slants and a skinny post where A.J. was open but Schaub chose to (and I use the term loosely) "run".

I will say that our defense played the run the best they have all season. I'll have to look at the DVR to see if that's because of a superior effort by us or lack of effort by the Raiders. One thing is a definite, when the punt team downed the ball on the one, the defense reacted like piranhas on a wounded fish.

But if a 20+ pt win can leave you nervous about the future, this was it. Because if the Raiders had a QB or WRs would could catch we would have been in serious trouble.

Some say Kubiak called off the dogs. I say when you're trying to train your dogs to be killers, you don't call them off.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 07:28 PM
eh, i disagree, we took a shot to end it in the 1st half & we lost, nothing to really be ashamed of there. If you want to be technical, we should've just let the time run down & took the FG to ensure we get points.

As someone stated, the raiders secondary is really the strength of their team & if you're not going to throw at Asomauga (sp?) which shuts down 1 side of the field, that already makes it tough. In addition to this, you can't run guys off when you're down in the red zone & that plays right into the secondary's hands. The raiders defense is no slouch & All things considered, i think schaub & the offense did a good job of working around them.

The Oakland Raiders on average has given up 359 yards thus far this season good for 19th best in the NFL. They shut us down if you look at how many yards our offense gained.

On the plus side... our defensive ranking jumped 8 slots. We were ranked dead last and now we're 24th. But that was with the help of JaMarcus Russell and the Oakland Raiders.

My gawd. Is JaMarcus really this bad? I remember that cannon of his back at LSU. He was horrible today and should not have been manning any sort of offense anywhere.

swtbound07
10-04-2009, 07:30 PM
Nitro saw this game and thought Slaton was done in the NFL. I saw it and thought, Thank God, we have slaton back. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Slaton is a playmaker at RB. He made 2 touchdowns that most backs wouldn't have. He's getting back into the offensive flow. Its a good thing you aren't in charge of the texans, or you'd be cutting a back coming off a 1000 yard season, and cutting him after a 2 td game.

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 07:32 PM
The Oakland Raiders on average has given up 359 yards thus far this season good for 19th best in the NFL. They shut us down if you look at how many yards our offense gained.
On the plus side... our defensive ranking jumped 8 slots. We were ranked dead last and now we're 24th. But that was with the help of JaMarcus Russell and the Oakland Raiders.

My gawd. Is JaMarcus really this bad? I remember that cannon of his back at LSU. He was horrible today and should not have been manning any sort of offense anywhere.

We had 330 yards of offense. Thats right at their average. How did they shut us down?

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 07:33 PM
There was a CB and a Safety in the area. On 3rd down with the opportunity to make it a 3 score game with a FG you dont take that shot. Bad call by Schaub.
if schaub puts that ball on the money it's a TD b/c the cb was beat & the safety would've been a hair too late.

TheRealJoker
10-04-2009, 07:37 PM
if schaub puts that ball on the money it's a TD b/c the cb was beat & the safety would've been a hair too late.

And if Schaub wouldn't have made the throw we would've been up 23-6 at the half instead of 20-6 which would've been much more likely than him putting that ball where it needed to be under the circumstances.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. When your defense hasn't stopped anyone in the last 3 games you cant take shots like that in FG range near the end of the half imo.

JDizzle
10-04-2009, 07:44 PM
We've got a well rested cardinals team next week in their house, how will our reconfigured secondary do against them? That's my first thought.

I know one thing though, rushing 4 against Warner on 3rd down won't cut it.

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 07:54 PM
We've got a well rested cardinals team next week in their house, how will our reconfigured secondary do against them? That's my first thought.

I know one thing though, rushing 4 against Warner on 3rd down won't cut it.

Warner handles the blitz extremely well, i don't know what else we can do but try to cover everyone up & hope our front 4 get to him. I'd hate to see replays of the superbowl play where fitz catches the quick slant & takes it to the house.

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 08:03 PM
And if Schaub wouldn't have made the throw we would've been up 23-6 at the half instead of 20-6 which would've been much more likely than him putting that ball where it needed to be under the circumstances.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. When your defense hasn't stopped anyone in the last 3 games you cant take shots like that in FG range near the end of the half imo.

Yeah we'll agree to disagree, i guess i just don't know what you guys expected him to do since #1: we know our qb isn't allowed to audible out of plays & 2, in rewatching that play, it looks like it was specifically designed to go to AJ; i.e. the coaches probably didn't mind him throwing the ball up & seeing if could make a play for him.

I mean you guys roast schaub & the offense for not targeting AJ enough in the 2nd half of the jags game & in this game you guys are upset that schaub tried to go to AJ on a play THAT WAS THERE. Can this guy ever win?

Blake
10-04-2009, 08:08 PM
1.) Brian Cushing and DeMeco Ryans are beasts. Amazing play from our linebackers.

2.) We held their offense to 2/15 on third down. Too bad its a crappy Oakland offense. But still nice to see.

3.) JJ is baffling. Takes one to the house, and then loses focus and muffs a punt...

4.) Texans should play first half like they played 2nd half. Schaub had 205 yards in the first half and ends the game with 225 yards?

5.) Brian Cushing is a beast.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:09 PM
We had 330 yards of offense. Thats right at their average. How did they shut us down?

They held us to 30 yards less than their average? Only 30 yards is what you must be thinking. Consider this... 26 yards is the difference between the 19th best (Oakland) and the 28th best (Cowboys) in the NFL.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:10 PM
Nitro saw this game and thought Slaton was done in the NFL. I saw it and thought, Thank God, we have slaton back. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Slaton is a playmaker at RB. He made 2 touchdowns that most backs wouldn't have. He's getting back into the offensive flow. Its a good thing you aren't in charge of the texans, or you'd be cutting a back coming off a 1000 yard season, and cutting him after a 2 td game.

Slaton got a lot of his yards in garbage time against paltry teams down the stretch after our 0-4 start. Don't get me wrong. I love Steve Slaton. I just hope he can bring back that magic he had last season. I'm not seeing it after 5 games. Preseason garbage counts. Especially since it's garbage that's running over into the season.

I'd never want to be in charge of the Texans. Or any NFL team for that matter. I'm purely a fan and only a fan. I love the game too much to taint it by making it a job.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:13 PM
2.) We held their offense to 2/15 on third down. Too bad its a crappy Oakland offense. But still nice to see.


On the flip side, our offense was 3/16 on third downs. Not really too good.

edo783
10-04-2009, 08:14 PM
Good grief, most of you guys sound like your are Russian judges grading the USA at the Olympics. "Ve unly gived 4.9 points for da shtyle, de von, but ve didn't likesh der shtyle". (probably sounds more German... oh well)

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:15 PM
if schaub puts that ball on the money it's a TD b/c the cb was beat & the safety would've been a hair too late.

It wasn't on the money because he was under pressure. QBs are expected to make good decisions under pressure. That was not a good decision by Schaub. He should have thrown it away.

FWIW, I have no beef with Matt Schaub. I'm fine with him as our QB of the future. I love Matt Schaub and I think he's the real deal in this system.

ObsiWan
10-04-2009, 08:19 PM
Jacoby Jones' TD was off a pooch kick. A pooch kick is much much easier to break out on for a kick returner. The ball is not kicked as high as well as there being more ground to cover. The pooch kick allows our blockers to get in place and clear a path for Jones. He found that path. Actually, my 12 year old niece saw that opening for Jones BEFORE he ran it.

I was finished with the Jacoby Jones experiment before the season and I hate that he's still on our team.

You're wrong. A pooch kick, by definition, skips along the ground so one of the non-threatening blocker types has to field the ball. If anything, the kicker out-kicked the coverage. That return was following the safety so they had to kick it from their own 20. Jacoby fielded it at our own FIVE. By my math, that's 75 yds in the air. If that had been kicked from the 30, like a normal kickoff, Jacoby would have had to bring it from 5 yds deep in the endzone.
That was hardly a "pooch kick".

GP
10-04-2009, 08:21 PM
Good grief, most of you guys sound like your are Russian judges grading the USA at the Olympics. "Ve unly gived 4.9 points for da shtyle, de von, but ve didn't likesh der shtyle". (probably sounds more German... oh well)

This is what happens when we win: Griping and hair-splitting with each other.

When we lose: We all unite together and bash our team the whole week.

There is no common ground among us posters when things go well. Everyone has their pet project they want to argue about. Funny stuff.

CloakNNNdagger
10-04-2009, 08:23 PM
Some random thoughts that I don't think have been mentioned thus far..

Mario, as has been pointed out by others was "there" just a split second too late on many plays............just like in the other previous games. I've been struck by the fact that Mario is Hell bent to beat the tackles with the long circular outside route. He does not seem to show the quick shifty turnaround to the inside moves seen by most of the other elite DEs

Schaub seemed to be limping in the 1st half.and he was on the bicycle on the sidelines.......which is not his routine. He seemed to be throwing off his back foot. Many of his throws seemed weak and short, and lucky not to have been intercepted with a sharper defense.

Dunta made a couple of hard "tackles." But he tackles by hitting with his hands or body rather than "wrapping" the player. When you resort to this technique, you have to commit yourself sooner and completely, leaving yourself very vulnerable if you miscalculate the angle or the player has quick change of direction ability. There were quite a few plays that he was out of position and was very fortunate that the player either missed the ball or was not thrown to despite being wide open.......and would have been "gone." Dunta benefitted greatly by TJ's poor reads and throws.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:23 PM
You're wrong. A pooch kick, by definition, skips along the ground so one of the non-threatening blocker types has to field the ball. If anything, the kicker out-kicked the coverage. That return was following the safety so they had to kick it from their own 20. Jacoby fielded it at our own FIVE. By my math, that's 75 yds in the air. If that had been kicked from the 30, like a normal kickoff, Jacoby would have had to bring it from 5 yds deep in the endzone.
That was hardly a "pooch kick".

I was corrected in another thread. That was a free kick, not a pooch kick. I had the word wrong. Honest mistake.

I stand by my statement otherwise. I believe that kicking off the tee allows the kicker to kick the ball higher thus giving their team time to get to the other side and defend the PR/KR. That free kick went far but it did not go very high. It got to Jacoby very quickly and allowed our blockers to block for him. It was a bad kick.

ObsiWan
10-04-2009, 08:24 PM
We've got a well rested cardinals team next week in their house, how will our reconfigured secondary do against them? That's my first thought.

I know one thing though, rushing 4 against Warner on 3rd down won't cut it.

we'll be in trouble. Warner won't miss open guys like Russell did. The Cardinal WRs won't drop passes like the Raiders' guys did today. The back 7 had better step it up if we hope to get a win out in Arizona.

ObsiWan
10-04-2009, 08:26 PM
I was corrected in another thread. That was a free kick, not a pooch kick. I had the word wrong. Honest mistake.

I stand by my statement otherwise. I believe that kicking off the tee allows the kicker to kick the ball higher thus giving their team time to get to the other side and defend the PR/KR. That free kick went far but it did not go very high. It got to Jacoby very quickly and allowed our blockers to block for him.
No worries mate. I totally agree with this assessment. The kicker went for distance instead of hang time and it cost them 6 pts.
:)

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 08:26 PM
They held us to 30 yards less than their average? Only 30 yards is what you must be thinking. Consider this... 26 yards is the difference between the 19th best (Oakland) and the 28th best (Cowboys) in the NFL.

Schaub had over 200 yards in the 1st half and only 20 something in the second half. We torched them in the 1st half. We were up by 20 pretty early. If we had played to kill, im sure we could have put more than 330 yards on them. But we didn't need to.
The goal of the game was to win. We did what we needed to do and nothing extra. I just dont see why people could be upset at the offense after today

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:27 PM
we'll be in trouble. Warner won't miss open guys like Russell did. The Cardinal WRs won't drop passes like the Raiders' guys did today. The back 7 had better step it up if we hope to get a win out in Arizona.

Funny thing... While I was scanning the NFL.com team stats. I saw that the Texans have the 11th best passing defense. I really don't know how the stats show that but it does. I guess playing the awful Raiders will skew the numbers a bit.

Mr teX
10-04-2009, 08:28 PM
It wasn't on the money because he was under pressure. QBs are expected to make good decisions under pressure. That was not a good decision by Schaub. He should have thrown it away.

FWIW, I have no beef with Matt Schaub. I'm fine with him as our QB of the future. I love Matt Schaub and I think he's the real deal in this system.

he wasn't under pressure it was a quick hit type play. schaub wasn't supposed to look anywhere but to AJ It was just a bad throw by him, not a bad decision. he was a little off all game actually...

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 08:28 PM
Lets not forget that we had a lot of pressure in Russel's face today. He got knocked down a lot, sacked twice, hurried many more. Sure we were vanilla on some 3rd and longs, but for the most part, we brought the heat and a lot of his misses may have been impacted by our pressure

Mailman
10-04-2009, 08:29 PM
I was corrected in another thread. That was a free kick, not a pooch kick. I had the word wrong. Honest mistake.

I stand by my statement otherwise. I believe that kicking off the tee allows the kicker to kick the ball higher thus giving their team time to get to the other side and defend the PR/KR. That free kick went far but it did not go very high. It got to Jacoby very quickly and allowed our blockers to block for him. It was a bad kick.

Oh my goodness.

Jacoby Jones scored a TD on the play and his blockers created a seam for him but let's all piss on the play and moan about the Texans because the Raiders suck and should've kicked it better.

Whatever. If this is what it means to be a Texans fan, I'm a terrible fan.

GP
10-04-2009, 08:31 PM
Lets not forget that we had a lot of pressure in Russel's face today. He got knocked down a lot, sacked twice, hurried many more. Sure we were vanilla on some 3rd and longs, but for the most part, we brought the heat and a lot of his misses may have been impacted by our pressure

If we had done that to Garrard, we would have beat the Jags.

I am afraid that Jags team might be an awakening giant. They now look like the team they had been projected to be, according to analysts over the off-season (and according to MJD himself).

All the bad apples on offense are gone. And others are filling in and doing their jobs. Del Rio might actually make it work.

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 08:31 PM
I was corrected in another thread. That was a free kick, not a pooch kick. I had the word wrong. Honest mistake.

I stand by my statement otherwise. I believe that kicking off the tee allows the kicker to kick the ball higher thus giving their team time to get to the other side and defend the PR/KR. That free kick went far but it did not go very high. It got to Jacoby very quickly and allowed our blockers to block for him. It was a bad kick.

On the tv replay they showed how the Texans blocked and it was perfect on that play. Jacoby got full speed right as two texans knocked the same 1 guy out of his lane. This allowed Jacoby to go right up broadway and fake out the punter. Not a bad kick, just great blocking by the Texans

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:31 PM
Schaub had over 200 yards in the 1st half and only 20 something in the second half. We torched them in the 1st half. We were up by 20 pretty early. If we had played to kill, im sure we could have put more than 330 yards on them. But we didn't need to.
The goal of the game was to win. We did what we needed to do and nothing extra. I just dont see why people could be upset at the offense after today

I'm not really upset at our offense (outside of our run game). You're saying that we torched them. I'm saying that we did not torch them. It mostly has to do with that I just don't think that what we're doing is showing that we're a playoff caliber team. We did not thump the Oakland Raiders. We should have thwocked them 56-0. That's what playoff teams do. We do not have the head coach necessary for a run at the playoffs.

ObsiWan
10-04-2009, 08:33 PM
This is what happens when we win: Griping and hair-splitting with each other.

When we lose: We all unite together and bash our team the whole week.

There is no common ground among us posters when things go well. Everyone has their pet project they want to argue about. Funny stuff.
Hey, wasn't it you who started the thread about us not attacking each other...
and you're right. it's either the riotous cacophony of things we need to do better when we win or the TexansTalk Tabernacle Choir with the latest rendition of the "Fire Kubiak/Smith/Bush" chorus when we lose.
those are your choices.
Pick one.
:D

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm not really upset at our offense (outside of our run game). You're saying that we torched them. I'm saying that we did not torch them. It mostly has to do with that I just don't think that what we're doing is showing that we're a playoff caliber team. We did not thump the Oakland Raiders. We should have thwocked them 56-0. That's what playoff teams do. We do not have the head coach necessary for a run at the playoffs.

What? I can't think of any games in the past few years that have been 56 to zero

I dont even think the Lions lost that badly last year, adn they were the worst team in the HISTORY of the NFL

We were up 29 to 6 a few minutes into the 3rd quarter. Do you really want us to just continue to go all out on offense and run up the score? When we needed points we got them. When we were comfortably ahead, we put it in cruise control and ran out the clock. We had 7 drives in the 1st half. We only punted once. We moved the ball at will. Thats torching to me. 56 to 0?

ObsiWan
10-04-2009, 08:40 PM
What? I can't think of any games in the past few years that have been 56 to zero

I dont even think the Lions lost that badly last year, adn they were the worst team in the HISTORY of the NFL

We were up 29 to 6 a few minutes into the 3rd quarter. Do you really want us to just continue to go all out on offense and run up the score? When we needed points we got them. When we were comfortably ahead, we put it in cruise control and ran out the clock. 56 to 0?

In a word, "YES".
And it's not about running up the score. It's about fine tuning your offense. Maybe you give Moats more snaps. Maybe you sneak Martinez or Casey in for a few snaps. But you don't shut down your offense.

NitroGSXR
10-04-2009, 08:41 PM
What? I can't think of any games in the past few years that have been 56 to zero

I dont even think the Lions lost that badly last year, adn they were the worst team in the HISTORY of the NFL

We were up 29 to 6 a few minutes into the 3rd quarter. Do you really want us to just continue to go all out on offense and run up the score? When we needed points we got them. When we were comfortably ahead, we put it in cruise control and ran out the clock. We had 7 drives in the 1st half. We only punted once. We moved the ball at will. Thats torching to me. 56 to 0?

After the Rosencopter incident, YES!!! RACK UP THE FRICKING POINTS!!!

Mailman
10-04-2009, 08:41 PM
I'm not really upset at our offense (outside of our run game). You're saying that we torched them. I'm saying that we did not torch them. It mostly has to do with that I just don't think that what we're doing is showing that we're a playoff caliber team. We did not thump the Oakland Raiders. We should have thwocked them 56-0. That's what playoff teams do. We do not have the head coach necessary for a run at the playoffs.

The Texans absolutely dominated this game today. The Raiders had less than three yards per play and visited our red zone exactly ONCE. The Texans controlled the clock and won the time of possession battle. The game was in the bag the moment Slaton crossed the goal line on his 32-yd TD run because the Raiders are not offensively capable of coming back. Their strength is on defense, and once they fell behind you knew it was over. You can sit there and say they should've won 56-0, but wiser people than you (i.e. Vegas oddsmakers) know much, much better. A 23-point win against any NFL team is usually a pretty solid indicator of a game dominated by the winners.

DexmanC
10-04-2009, 08:49 PM
All you "Run-Up-The-Score" guys need to remember that we lost
AJ for SEVEN WEEKS in 2007 on a late 4th quarter play in Carolina
while we were already BLOWING THEM OUT.

Kubiak's mindset is:
"Get the win. Stay healthy. PERIOD."

How can you argue with that?

jppaul
10-04-2009, 09:57 PM
This is what happens when we win: Griping and hair-splitting with each other.

When we lose: We all unite together and bash our team the whole week.

There is no common ground among us posters when things go well. Everyone has their pet project they want to argue about. Funny stuff.

But aren't you happier to be winning and dysfunctional rather than a sympathetic group of losers?

mussop
10-04-2009, 11:36 PM
My thoughts???


To bad we dont play the Raiders everyweek.

texanhead08
10-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Jamarcus Russell makes David Carr look like an all pro. Thats has to be the biggest bust of a #1 pick ever. He looks no diff now than he did his rookie year.

gtexan02
10-04-2009, 11:40 PM
Except he's slightly fatter and less in shape

GuerillaBlack
10-05-2009, 12:32 AM
Okay, the Defense stood up today and stopped the run! I think we can improve and Pollard looks good. Cushing is an animal, awesome linebacker who will continue to improve. I think Moats should get the start for next game he looked good and gave the offense a spark that the offense needed. It also seemed to spark slaton to start moving the ball. One thing I saw from Moats is he would cut back once and got up field. Slaton seemed to dance around to much to look for that lane. OL did a great job. I think we can improve on the play calling. Other than that the team played like they should have in this game and we better play better for next weekend. Cardnals are going to be looking for a win with a couple of their loses as well.

Definitely will not happen.

GuerillaBlack
10-05-2009, 12:43 AM
If we had done that to Garrard, we would have beat the Jags.

I am afraid that Jags team might be an awakening giant. They now look like the team they had been projected to be, according to analysts over the off-season (and according to MJD himself).

All the bad apples on offense are gone. And others are filling in and doing their jobs. Del Rio might actually make it work.

They played the Titans. Everyone beats the Titans.

;)

DexmanC
10-05-2009, 12:54 AM
They played the Titans. Everyone beats the Titans.

;)

Clock struck midnight on Collins

Start VY!??

NitroGSXR
10-05-2009, 12:58 AM
They played the Titans. Everyone beats the Titans.

;)

I was rooting for the Titans today. I really wanted sole possession of 2nd place in the division more than anything else.

dalemurphy
10-05-2009, 01:24 AM
I was rooting for the Titans today. I really wanted sole possession of 2nd place in the division more than anything else.

Don't be so concerned about other teams. We are in control of our own destiny... If we win out, we win our division, no matter what anyone else does! Isn't that comforting?

barrett
10-05-2009, 01:43 AM
I don't think I could ever root for the tacks. Seriously.

gtexan02
10-05-2009, 01:45 AM
I don't think I could ever root for the tacks. Seriously.

My love for the Texans trumps all my other feelings about other teams. If I have to cheer for the Tacks to take down the Colts so the Texans have a shot at the division title, so be it

:chef:

ObsiWan
10-05-2009, 01:56 AM
I was rooting for the Titans today. I really wanted sole possession of 2nd place in the division more than anything else.

I'm with you on that!
Unfortunately, now we're in THIRD place. Same record as the Jags but they won the head-to-head and have a better division record.

ObsiWan
10-05-2009, 03:22 AM
Don't be so concerned about other teams. We are in control of our own destiny... If we win out, we win our division, no matter what anyone else does! Isn't that comforting?

You take help where ever you can get it because odds are we won't "win out".

Runner
10-05-2009, 06:31 AM
I think they showed an exceptional effort against a weak team. That's what good teams are supposed to do, so that is a plus.

I look forward to seeing the same effort against the next weak team and the next equal team.

Mr. White
10-05-2009, 09:42 AM
Jeff Garcia weighed in (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4528142) on JaMarcus Russell and the state of the Raiders yesterday. See the bolded text.

"I have no problem going into a situation and helping a young guy out and really trying to help the team out overall more so than anything," Garcia said Friday during an appearance on Fox Sports Radio, referring to Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell. "I just feel like it's an unfortunate situation when the entire work ethic and the entire goal of the team is really put upon one guy's shoulder."

Garcia, 39, who was cut last month by the Eagles only weeks after his release from the Raiders, with whom he signed in April, said despite Russell's talent, he "really isn't maybe ready for that situation or ready to take on that sort of responsibility."

"When you put him on the field in a one-on-one workout session he'll make every throw for you," Garcia said during the radio show. "But when it comes down to making things happen in the heat of the battle and rallying the troops around you and making a case for the team, that's where maybe things aren't where they need to be."

With Russell slumping -- he has an NFL-worst 39.8 pass rating -- Garcia could've been an option for the Raiders to re-sign.

But his comments seemed to indicate he wasn't interested in that scenario -- in which case the Raiders likely would have to turn to Bruce Gradkowski, who sits at No. 2 on the Raiders' depth chart with Charlie Frye the third-stringer.

But Garcia said the scope of the Raiders' problems spans beyond the quarterback position.

"It was to a point where I felt like guys who walked through those doors that just were there to collect a check and not really interested in putting everything that they had within themselves on to the football field," he said. "And that was the frustrating thing for me to see.

"There were a lot of good young guys in that locker room who really want to do whatever it takes to win, but unfortunately it's not everybody," Garcia added. "In order to compete at this level in this game, everybody needs to be on board."

"Maybe it's because how things have been for a number of years now out there and they just don't see the hope," he said.

HOU-TEX
10-05-2009, 10:09 AM
I mentioned in another thread that I think our secondary would've been picked apart if the Raiders had decent WR's and a competent QB. Russell just sucks and their WR's were dropping balls left and right.

I thought the front 7 did a good job against a cruddy offense. Our LB crew was fun to watch yesterday. Definitely a sight for sore eyes.

In the end, it was good to get the W and having a good defensive game at the same time. I'm still not close to being sold though. What will we see against the Cards? A true test on our secondary that might end up getting ugly.

ObsiWan
10-05-2009, 07:19 PM
Funny thing... While I was scanning the NFL.com team stats. I saw that the Texans have the 11th best passing defense. I really don't know how the stats show that but it does. I guess playing the awful Raiders will skew the numbers a bit.

I don't know whether to attribute that ranking to playing the lousy Raider offense or the fact that teams didn't need to pass on us when they could keep it on the ground against our sucky run defense.

I'm inclined to believe it's more the latter than the former.

Second Honeymoon
10-05-2009, 07:26 PM
we did what we were supposed to do. dominate a bad team at home. mission accomplished.

next mission is to take the intensity that we showed on defense to the road against Arizona. Warner's inability to escape pass rushes could be an advantage for our defense. We do good against more prone QBs but if the QB has escapability he normally eats our lunch. Warner is far from mobile.

its all about the defense. if we play good defense, we are a tough team to beat. when we play the type of defense we have played for the last 3 years...we won't win squat.

even Antonio Smith showed up on Sunday...can he do it in back to back games? just show up?

...only the Shadow knows

Vinny
10-05-2009, 08:06 PM
Funny thing... While I was scanning the NFL.com team stats. I saw that the Texans have the 11th best passing defense. I really don't know how the stats show that but it does. I guess playing the awful Raiders will skew the numbers a bit.When teams run at will on you, they don't need to pass as much. Raiders excluded since they are pretty much an NFL Europe level product. :tiphat:

Giant Tiger
10-05-2009, 09:27 PM
I mentioned in another thread that I think our secondary would've been picked apart if the Raiders had decent WR's and a competent QB. Russell just sucks and their WR's were dropping balls left and right.

I thought the front 7 did a good job against a cruddy offense. Our LB crew was fun to watch yesterday. Definitely a sight for sore eyes.

In the end, it was good to get the W and having a good defensive game at the same time. I'm still not close to being sold though. What will we see against the Cards? A true test on our secondary that might end up getting ugly.

The Raiders kept shooting themselves in the foot yesterday. Plus they should have won the challenge on the catch by Murphy. It was frustrating to see Russell barely escape sacks the entire game, while Schaub was getting caught.

Then again, I'm looking forward to playing the Cardinals. I want to see if the DL is really improving or if it's just the Raiders. I hope they actually catch Warner. I'm really liking Cushing though.

Second Honeymoon
10-05-2009, 09:31 PM
Heyward-Bey sure was a good draft pick /sarcasm off

That team has some big problems and I may be one of the few people left that remember Al Davis, the great football pioneer, but he really needs to turn things over to someone who has more control of his mental faculties.

Al is just old and he really could be going senile. I am not talking 'going senile' but literally going senile. Medically. He needs to hire someone that he respects so he is willing to turn it all over to him. these 'yes man' hires are not working. its sad watching someone deteriorate slowly right in front of your eyes. glad im not a raider fan.

GNTLEWOLF
10-06-2009, 12:49 AM
We beat a team that we were supposed to beat....nice start. But this team looks to me like it still has a long, long, long way to go as far as getting the run game going. We definately didn't turn any corners Cushing looked good as did Ryans and Antonio Smith. Okoye showed signs of life.
D-rob still looks like a decent receiver could take him. And that is my problem. a good team might have made all the plays and made the Texans look like chumps. There is a lot of work to do before this team becomes a winner.