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Vinny
02-15-2005, 04:51 PM
I stole this off yvette at the tomb. thanka :thumbup

ESPN Insider/Scouts, Inc.

1. Braylon Edwards WR SR Michigan
2. Aaron Rodgers QB JR Cal-Berkeley
3. Adam Jones DC JR West Virginia
4. Alex Smith QB JR Utah
5. Ronnie Brown RB SR Auburn
6. Antrell Rolle DC SR Miami-FL
7. Carnell Williams RB SR Auburn
8. Derrick Johnson OLB SR Texas
9. Cedric Benson RB SR Texas
10. Troy Williamson WR JR South Carolina
11. Mike Williams WR JR USC
12. Shawne Merriman DE JR Maryland
13. Heath Miller TE JR Virginia
14. Erasmus James DE SR Wisconsin
15. Travis Johnson DT SR Florida State
16. Alex Barron OT SR Florida State
17. Thomas Davis DS JR Georgia
18. David Pollack DE SR Georgia
19. Marcus Spears DE SR LSU
20. Carlos Rogers DC SR Auburn
21. Dan Cody DE SR Oklahoma
22. Matt Roth DE SR Iowa
23. Jammal Brown OT SR Oklahoma
24. Mark Clayton WR SR Oklahoma
25. Brandon Browner DC SR Oregon State
26. Shaun Cody DT SR USC
27. Roddy White WR SR UAB
28. Channing Crowder LB SO Florida
29. Justin Miller DC JR Clemson
30. Antaaj Hawthorne DT SR Wisconsin
31. Brodney Pool DS JR Oklahoma
32. Bryant McFadden DC SR Florida State

... and a look at the second-tier of running back talent:

Ciatrick Fason, Florida
Athletic potential starter but lack of experience and toughness make him a risk. He has the most upside of all the other RB prospects.

Vernand Morency, Oklahoma State
Explosive speed and adequate size but needs to stay healthy and become a more physical runner. A good fit for a Broncos'-type of zone-blocking offense.

Eric Shelton, Louisville
Could be a better pro than college player. Still needs to improve blocking and receiving skills, but possesses terrific speed and athletic ability for such a big back.

T.A. McLendon, N.C. State
A Stephen Davis (Panthers) type with great size, vision and power as a runner. However, durability and fumbling problems will cause him to slip on draft day.

Walter Reyes, Syracuse
Undersized back with explosive speed. Had trouble staying healthy as a senior, which explains why his stock is on the decline. Could be a sleeper in this class.

Anthony Davis, Wisconsin
Lack of size and major durability issues will hurt him on draft weekend. However, he has the speed, elusiveness and instincts to contribute as a return specialist and change of pace back in the NFL.

J.J. Arrington, California
Lack of size limits him and he needs more experience. However, he catches the ball well and possesses explosive speed. Worth taking a chance on as a potential third-down back and kickoff return specialist.

Marion Barber III, Minnesota
Overrated by some because he lacks explosive speed and great size. However, he has enough physical tools, toughness and running instincts to contribute as a backup RB and KOR specialist.

Ryan Moats, Louisiana Tech
Shifty, tough, diminutive back that shined as a senior and built on that momentum at the East-West Shrine game. He can contribute as a change-of-pace back and return specialist in the NFL.

Frank Gore, Miami-FL
High risk but potential for high reward. Two season-ending knee injuries in 2002 and 2003, but showed good durability as the load-carrier for the Hurricanes in 2004. If he ever regains his burst and explosiveness, he could be a late-Day 1 steal.

Kay-Jay Harris, West Virginia
Another "Boom-or-Bust" prospect with loads of upside because of his size/speed combination but lots of red flags as an aging back with durability concerns and limited experience. A team such as the Jets, Steelers or Eagles, with some wiggle-room at the position, should take a gamble on him.

Darren Sproles, Kansas State
Hugely productive and versatile player on the collegiate level. Stood out as one of the quickest skill players at the Senior Bowl. Lacks the size of a fulltime NFL RB but he can make things happen with the ball in his hands. A Dave Meggett-type that will contribute as a runner, receiver and return specialist.

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Wolf
02-15-2005, 07:34 PM
Vinny , what you think of Gore? you think 1st day is legit for him because of 2 knee operations?.. I'd understand 1 operation .... I also realize he does have some talent...

Vinny
02-15-2005, 07:49 PM
I think some team that already has a good back will end up taking Gore since he will be an injury risk. I can't see a team in 'need' of a back taking a chance on his wheels. If you could guarantee health he is one of the better backs in this class. He may be a good candidate here since Dom is a solid back and we need a complimentary runner. I like a ton of backs in this draft so if he is there in the 4th and we haven't taken a back by then I'd love to take him....but many people think he will be gone on the first day.

Rosusu
02-15-2005, 11:25 PM
I dont see Willamson being better than Mike Williams. I guess its just the year off.

wags
02-15-2005, 11:36 PM
I dont see Willamson being better than Mike Williams. I guess its just the year off.

Williamson may have had two of the worst throwing QB's in the country as his QB. I can only imagine what his stats would be if he had a decent QB.

Texan in Japan
02-15-2005, 11:53 PM
I'll really be surprised if Mike Williams doesn't move up into tip 5. He could even be the #1 overall if he has a great combine and his 40 time is 4.5.

I've also heard that Pac Man is being hyped by Kipper because of his relationship with his agent.

I also think that guys like Jason Tuck DE/OLB(with a great combine) will move into 1st round.

beerlover
02-16-2005, 04:52 AM
1. 49ers Aaron Rogers, QB, Cal
2. Dolphins Alex Smith, QB, Utah
3. Browns - Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
4. Bears Mike Williams, WR, USC
5. Buccaneers Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
6. Titans Alex Barron, OT, FSU
7. Raiders - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia
8. Packers (from Cardinals) Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
9. Redskins Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan
10. Lions Justin Tuck DE/OLB Notre Dame
11. Cowboys Shawne Merriman, DE Maryland
12. Chargers (New York) Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
13. Vikings (Texans) Adam "Pac-Man" Jones, CB, West Virgina
14. Panthers Heath Miller TE Virginia
15. Chiefs Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan
16. Saints Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
17. Bengals - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
18. Seahawks from (Texans/Vikings) for 23,85 RB Cedric Benson, RB, UT
19. Steelers (Rams) - Carnell "Cadillac" Williams
20. Cowboys (Buffalo) Justin Miller CB, Clemson
21. Jaguars - Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma
22. Browns - (Ravens for 34, 67) - Erasmus James, DE Wisconson
23. Texans (Seahawks) - David Baas, C/OG, Michigan
24. Cardinals (from Packers) Brandon Browner, CB, Oregon State
25. Broncos Shaun Cody, DT, USC
26. Jets Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
27. Falcons - Mark Clayton, WR Oklahoma
28. Chargers Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma
29. Colts Travis Johnson - DT - Florida St
30. Rams (Steelers)- Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
31. Eagles Elton Brown, OG, Virginia
32. Patriots Roddy White, WR, UAB

who's copying who? we may have missed on Troy Williamson in the 1st round which seems likely now, but look who ESPN Insider missed out on, David Baas, Alex Smith, Elton Brown. instead they have Antaaj Hawthorne & Bryant McFadden. I would drop Alex Smith & add Troy Williamson, but I would keep both big guards. overall however strikingly similar. good job Texans, guess we know our stuff.

Wild Bill
02-16-2005, 08:57 AM
People are crazy if they think that Williamson is going to be a better NFL Wide Out than Mike Williams. Apparently he's out is sight, out of mind, but this guy is a game breaking wide receiver much like Michael Irving. Mike Williams is the best wideout in this draft and was possibly the best in last years draft (except for R. Williams). Whoever gets him won't be sorry.

It won't be the Texans though. We'll either draft PacMan or Marcus Spears.

Nawzer
02-16-2005, 01:18 PM
I'm interested in seeing where Morency and Fason will go.

astrofan
02-16-2005, 04:56 PM
I like Fason more than Gore... he seems like he could do a pretty good DD imitation for the third of the plays during a season that DD is not at full strength.