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dalemurphy
09-28-2009, 12:08 AM
These guys were generally all on the left side of the defense today. I hate them! Bennett is awful in coverage and maybe the poorest tackler I've ever witnessed. Okoye gets destroyed anytime he's run at, and the combination of Busing, Barber, and Ferguson is actually the worst situation this organization has ever had at one position... except perhaps LT in 2002. Bernard Pollard is my new, favorite Texan!

Mr teX
09-28-2009, 12:19 AM
At least Amobi is making plays every once in a while. Bennett is just flat out getting *&^$-slapped & is contributing in no way at all. Dare i say it, but i think he's actually worse than Faggins.

Carr Bombed
09-28-2009, 12:20 AM
This organization needs to stop lying to themselves...

I can't stand how teams stick with a guy just because he was a 1st round pick, no matter how bad that player is drowning out there. Amobi is NOT a starting DT in this league......frankly it's getting to the point where I don't even think he should be a backup on a NFL roster. If he's not benched then how can this staff actually look anybody else in the face and bench them.

This is the #1 reason why rookie contracts NEED to be addressed.

Dishman
09-28-2009, 12:22 AM
At least Amobi is making plays every once in a while. Bennett is just flat out getting *&^$-slapped & is contributing in no way at all. Dare i say it, but i think he's actually worse than Faggins.

Once upon a time Bennett looked decent enough that he'd be an improvement in the secondary. Whatever happened?

Mr teX
09-28-2009, 12:25 AM
Once upon a time Bennett looked decent enough that he'd be an improvement in the secondary. Whatever happened?

I think his confidence was taken away when he was benched by kubes in favor of faggins last year....

Marcus
09-28-2009, 12:31 AM
Once upon a time Bennett looked decent enough that he'd be an improvement in the secondary. Whatever happened?

I suppose some are going to say it's all because we didn't hire "an experienced NFL DC", right? :rolleyes:

Norg
09-28-2009, 12:36 AM
Our secondary is like Musical Chairs no one is Good LOL

Was reeves really that important DO we really miss him that much ???? who knows


there is going to be a point were are linebackers are going to be forced to stop blitzing and play ZOne to help our Weak secondary forcing the Dline to fend for themselfs

We play arozina and they man ... i cringe thinking about it right now Man they might Lite us Up in the Air

thunderkyss
09-28-2009, 12:47 AM
I can't stand how teams stick with a guy just because he was a 1st round pick, no matter how bad that player is drowning out there.


This is the #1 reason why rookie contracts NEED to be addressed.

If his job is on the line, do you think he'll do anything less than put the best players out there?

This tells me either his job is not on the line..... while I'm not in the "Fire Gary Kubiak" club, I do think he should have had a stern talking to by now.... or he really believes Okoye is the best thing we've got at DT. I hate to think that is the case, but I'm not seeing much from our other DTs.

utahmark
09-28-2009, 12:53 AM
Our secondary is like Musical Chairs no one is Good LOL

Was reeves really that important DO we really miss him that much ???? who knows


there is going to be a point were are linebackers are going to be forced to stop blitzing and play ZOne to help our Weak secondary forcing the Dline to fend for themselfs

We play arozina and they man ... i cringe thinking about it right now Man they might Lite us Up in the Air

then where would all out sacks come from?

Carr Bombed
09-28-2009, 01:43 AM
I suppose some are going to say it's all because we didn't hire "an experienced NFL DC", right? :rolleyes:

I don't know why you keep scoffing at wanting "experienced defensive coaching"........it sure as hell is working out for NOLA and Denver...

These guys get jobs anytime they want for a reason....what's Richard Smith doing right now...is he running a defense? What do you think Frank Bush is going to be doing after he's fired? I mean, that's working out so well.

dalemurphy
09-28-2009, 07:23 AM
The problem identifying whether the coaching staff is doing a poor job in scheme or preparation is that they are hideous at internal assessment. I'm trying to imagine the meetings this off-season and how the entire organization became convinced that it was unneccessary to pursue anybody at safety, even for depth. I'd also love to hear the conversations going on in the film review when they watch Fred Bennett loaf around, disinterested, out of position, and tardy... whether the play is pass or run. Or, what is going on in those meetings that they continue to give Amobi Okoye every freakin' snap on run downs?

When the coaching staff handicaps itself that way, I have no way to watch the product on Sunday and assess if Bush is coaching the players well or not... or, if the guy is calling a "good" game.

Today, we had Zgoniga playing on some big 3rd and longs. That doesn't make sense when you have 9 healthy linemen. Put him in rotation on run downs and get Amobi the heck out of there, if you want the old man to play.

This has consistently been my biggest beef with Kubiak and the thing that holds him back from becoming a good coach, IMO.

Fred
09-28-2009, 07:27 AM
then where would all out sacks come from?

Yeah, we don't want to mess up a good thing - the Texans are on a pace for 5 sacks this year! Woo-Hoo!

BigBull17
09-28-2009, 08:16 AM
The next time Bennet covers anyone, it'll be the first. I wanted to invade Reliant yesterday watching him be at every catch they made. It was sickening. Boulman is better in coverage than he is. I don't know why they didn't yank him.

beerlover
09-28-2009, 09:38 AM
Fred Bennett lacks everything except size you look for in a corner. He should be 3rd or 4th on a good teams depth chart, just for insurance certainly not a starter.

Amobi doesn't fit this scheme or the position & responsibility expected by Frank Bush. I have a question here, was Frank Bush with Texans during the 07 draft? or is he required to assimilate talent on hand to run his system? would it be better to change the system to fit the personel or vice versa?

The Safety position I'm afraid to say is going to have to be addressed via a 1st or 2nd rd. draft pick. Texans have needed a safety from inception names include Matt Stevens, Marlon McCree, Glenn Earl, Jason Simmons, CC Brown, Brandon Harrison, Will Demps, Nick Ferguson, Dominique Barber, Eugene Wilson & John Busing.

Hervoyel
09-28-2009, 09:49 AM
I suppose some are going to say it's all because we didn't hire "an experienced NFL DC", right? :rolleyes:


We might.

Seriously, Fred Bennett IS the new Petey Faggins. He's actually become a combination of Petey and P-Burnt. He covers like Petey and tackles like P-Burnt.

He's Petey-Burnt.

Behind him the safeties are horrible. I'd give anything to have Eric Brown and Matt Stevens back. Yes I know Matt's in a wheelchair now. I'm reasonably certain he could still tackle better than this bunch however.

We need safeties bad.

Overall I'm pleased with the linebackers. Best bunch we've ever had. I'm not upset about the linemen as much as I probably should be apart from Okoye. That guy is like a slightly smaller Anthony Weaver in the middle of the line. Like we needed more of that.

TimeKiller
09-28-2009, 09:55 AM
Fred Bennett is a major problem in coverage and run support. It's like a curl route is the newest offensive innovation and FB just can't see it coming. I see it coming. Every 3rd down. Like a gigantic battle red bullseye on the corner formerly known as "Fred Bennett".

Amobi was actually getting his name called yesterday. Even if it's only 2 or 3 plays a game, that's two or three more than he WAS making.

Safety continues to be a joke and IMO, largely the reason why any strength perceived on paper with this defense will be canceled out unless individual efforts pull it through.

HOU-TEX
09-28-2009, 10:04 AM
We might.

Seriously, Fred Bennett IS the new Petey Faggins. He's actually become a combination of Petey and P-Burnt. He covers like Petey and tackles like P-Burnt.

He's Petey-Burnt.

Behind him the safeties are horrible. I'd give anything to have Eric Brown and Matt Stevens back. Yes I know Matt's in a wheelchair now. I'm reasonably certain he could still tackle better than this bunch however.

We need safeties bad.

Overall I'm pleased with the linebackers. Best bunch we've ever had. I'm not upset about the linemen as much as I probably should be apart from Okoye. That guy is like a slightly smaller Anthony Weaver in the middle of the line. Like we needed more of that.

Agreed! I've been harping on Bennett for a while now. The dude just sucks at everything he does back there. The way he's played so far this season isn't even worthy of a nickel or dime DB.

Several people were wanting Busing to start. Well, he started....and he sucked just as bad. Ain't nothing worse than a guy that's supposed to be an "in the box" type safety, but can't tackle.

*Sigh* This defense is probably the worst in franchise history. It's a sad day in America when you've got "1st rounders" peppered throughout the defense......and they still suck.

HoustonFrog
09-28-2009, 10:05 AM
As much as Bennett is Faggins I saw a long in the tooth Tory Holt make a few moves during patterns that had Dunta lost.

BigBull17
09-28-2009, 10:09 AM
We're gonna have to pay the picks and move up for one of those power safeties. Well, if we don't learn to tackle maybe not...

bckey
09-28-2009, 10:35 AM
We're gonna have to pay the picks and move up for one of those power safeties. Well, if we don't learn to tackle maybe not...

The Texans are on pace to be right there where they need to be to get one. And if it gets any worse we may have to trade down to get one.:thinking:

Hervoyel
09-28-2009, 11:38 AM
As much as Bennett is Faggins I saw a long in the tooth Tory Holt make a few moves during patterns that had Dunta lost.


Which is just about par for the course for Dunta. He has his Petey Moments too. But he laid the wood a time or two and he brought that franchise "Dunta" attitude with him on to the field. That's got to be worth something right?

Yeah, apparently about 9 million dollars.

Mr teX
09-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Which is just about par for the course for Dunta. He has his Petey Moments too. But he laid the wood a time or two and he brought that franchise "Dunta" attitude with him on to the field. That's got to be worth something right?

Yeah, apparently about 9 million dollars.

every cb has those moments though. didn't u see us make tennessee's pro bowl secondary look stupid the week before last? As a cb, you're going to beat from time to time you just can't let it happen on the scale Bennett was yesterday or Rodgers Cromartie last night..

Vinny
09-28-2009, 11:42 AM
As much as Bennett is Faggins I saw a long in the tooth Tory Holt make a few moves during patterns that had Dunta lost.Robinson took him out of the game the vast majority of snaps. Holt had lots of trouble creating separation most of the game. I thought Dunta played well outside of a few plays that get magnified in a loss.

Hervoyel
09-28-2009, 11:44 AM
every cb has those moments though. didn't u see us make tennessee's pro bowl secondary look stupid the week before last? As a cb, you're going to beat from time to time you just can't let it happen on the scale Bennett was yesterday or Rodgers Cromartie last night..

Oh I know that. I'm not saying Dunta's a bad corner. Just that he's got no business raking in 9 million dollars as the franchise player and that he's got even less business turning his nose up at 23 million in guaranteed money.

There are probably only a couple of corners in the league at any given time who don't have those moments. When we see one of those playing for our team I'll get excited. Until then Robinson and Reeves will do (until next season when Dunta goes somewhere else).