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m5kwatts
09-27-2009, 04:16 PM
Totally cost the freaking game, erased a TD tie game 31-31 we go to OT with a chance


F THE OFFICIALS THE LEAGUE OWES US A WIN

Dread-Head
09-27-2009, 04:18 PM
Bull$h:t!!!!

TheIronDuke
09-27-2009, 04:18 PM
It would've gone to OT anyways where we'd lose the flip and then JAX would march down the field with ease with our D laying on the ground after 11 failed arm tackles.

But yes, that was a BS call. We still could've tied it again but we fumbled it.

PhilpW
09-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Terrible call, but lack of defense lost game.

New_Texans
09-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Horrible call.

jaayteetx
09-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Battle red day!?!?!? Damn straight, between the refs and our crappy damn defense, I'm seeing RED!!!!!

Spike
09-27-2009, 04:20 PM
That was not the reason we lost this game. Had we scored that TD, what are the chances that we stop their offense from scoring on the next possession.

This team came out flat again today. We play an incredible, hard fought battle in Tenn and come out with the same lifeless effort again. I just can't believe this team can't turn the corner. How many more years are we going to have to deal with this crap?

Thorn
09-27-2009, 04:21 PM
Terrible call, but lack of defense lost game.

Exactly. don't blame the loss on a last second call. If our defense had been playing today we wouldn't have been in a position for that call to have mattered.

New_Texans
09-27-2009, 04:22 PM
That was not the reason we lost this game. Had we scored that TD, what are the chances that we stop their offense from scoring on the next possession.

This team came out flat again today. We play an incredible, hard fought battle in Tenn and come out with the same lifeless effort again. I just can't believe this team can't turn the corner. How many more years are we going to have to deal with this crap?

We did until the horsecollar came...i mean wasnt it a week ago where Schaub was horsecollared on a sack in Ten but that was a no call...how is this one different? If you are going to call penalties. Please. Be. Consistent.

Wolf
09-27-2009, 04:23 PM
Ref give and take away

if the ref wasn't in the way on that play by MJD earlier in the quarter, MJD probably will still be running

jaayteetx
09-27-2009, 04:24 PM
We did until the horsecollar came...i mean wasnt it a week ago where Schaub was horsecollared on a sack in Ten but that was a no call...how is this one different? If you are going to call penalties. Please. Be. Consistent.

I believe if your not going forward, its not a penalty, thats why.

Wolf
09-27-2009, 04:24 PM
We did until the horsecollar came...i mean wasnt it a week ago where Schaub was horsecollared on a sack in Ten but that was a no call...how is this one different? If you are going to call penalties. Please. Be. Consistent.

they said Schaub wasn't going forward when he got it...

To me a horse collar is a horse collar and should have been a penalty on the Titans

:idonno:

jaayteetx
09-27-2009, 04:25 PM
Ref give and take away

if the ref wasn't in the way on that play by MJD earlier in the quarter, MJD probably will still be running

No, not even close, ref is part of the field, those things happen, making a blatenly horrible call, BS!!!

valleytexfan
09-27-2009, 04:25 PM
Agreed. He has the right to set up shop in the end zone or anywhere for that matter. Poor call.

GuerillaBlack
09-27-2009, 04:26 PM
I don't know how that was a pass intereference. Could the ref not see Walter looking back at the damn ball and then run into the defender? Like seriously....our defense sucked, but the refs were equally as bad.

Clamp
09-27-2009, 04:29 PM
Dang people, it was Fred letting throw to the rookies all day that allowed them to move the ball. A couple of plays got away from the rest of the team but otherwise the front 7 played pretty damn well.

New_Texans
09-27-2009, 04:30 PM
I believe if your not going forward, its not a penalty, thats why.

In the case of Mario williams, how is he suppose to make that determination while going in for the tackle? At the time Mario initially engaged Drew, he was going laterally not forward. I understand how that can be implemented in cases like the Terrell Owens situation that created the rule...but yeah...**** it...blame the defense for the game overall they were horrible.

jaayteetx
09-27-2009, 04:31 PM
In the case of Mario williams, how is he suppose to make that determination while going in for the tackle? At the time Mario initially engaged Drew, he was going laterally not forward. I understand how that can be implemented in cases like the Terrell Owens situation that created the rule...but yeah...**** it...blame the defense for the game overall they were horrible.

Doesn't matter, he horse collared him. Too bad too, he would've been stopped regardless, IMO.

CloakNNNdagger
09-27-2009, 04:32 PM
That was not the reason we lost this game. Had we scored that TD, what are the chances that we stop their offense from scoring on the next possession.

This team came out flat again today. We play an incredible, hard fought battle in Tenn and come out with the same lifeless effort again. I just can't believe this team can't turn the corner. How many more years are we going to have to deal with this crap?

As long as we mindlessly lay down the money for a poor product.

dtran04
09-27-2009, 04:34 PM
Kubiak just said that calling an offensive pass interference while the defense is in a zone is almost unheard of.

Runner
09-27-2009, 04:34 PM
Questionable call on Walter, but the team recovered and fumbled (maybe) on that TD plunge. Tough series for the offense.

Malloy
09-27-2009, 04:36 PM
Honestly I think that the fumble was a non-issue, I think Chris had the ball on the line before it started coming out. That's a TD right there.

MEGA SWATT
09-27-2009, 04:36 PM
Totally cost the freaking game, erased a TD tie game 31-31 we go to OT with a chance


F THE OFFICIALS THE LEAGUE OWES US A WIN

agreed.

GuerillaBlack
09-27-2009, 04:37 PM
I mean, the season isn't over, but that was such a BS call.

jaayteetx
09-27-2009, 04:37 PM
Honestly I think that the fumble was a non-issue, I think Chris had the ball on the line before it started coming out. That's a TD right there.

You must've had a better angle than the rest of the world, no way I could tell. Bottom line, he didn't even get hit hard, hold on to the damn ball!!!!

Texanmike02
09-27-2009, 04:38 PM
Honestly I think that the fumble was a non-issue, I think Chris had the ball on the line before it started coming out. That's a TD right there.


It was clearly coming out before he crossed the line... he was obviously down however, before the ball came out as there were 2 jags laying on top oh his legs. I know you need conclusive evidence, but is it a stretch to assume that if two grown men are laying on your legs they are touching the ground?

mike

New_Texans
09-27-2009, 04:38 PM
Doesn't matter, he horse collared him. Too bad too, he would've been stopped regardless, IMO.

They would have stopped him regardless of if Mario got him since Cushing, Ryans and Diles were right there waiting.

spurstexanstros
09-27-2009, 04:43 PM
really bad call...you had to know something was gonna happen to prevent a win.....sigh gonna be a long week.

Texanmike02
09-27-2009, 04:46 PM
The reason I have all but stopped watching the NBA is the officials play too big of a role in the outcome of the game. The officiating in the NFL is probably the best of any of the big 3... but games like this really leave a sour taste in my mouth. I couldn't believe that happened. They showed the replay and it was like "oops"...

Mike

hollywood_texan
09-27-2009, 04:50 PM
There were a lot of ticky tack calls by the refs (unnecessary roughness, hitting defensless receivers, etc.).

It's official the NFL is turning into the NBA and soon we will be seeing classic flops to get these ticky tack calls.

With all that said, the Texans still had their chances. The defense just couldn't hold anything.

Malloy
09-27-2009, 04:52 PM
You must've had a better angle than the rest of the world, no way I could tell. Bottom line, he didn't even get hit hard, hold on to the damn ball!!!!

When his right elbow toughes the ground, his hand is at the line, if he had the ball that far ahead it would have been a TD imo, you you're right, no definate proof of that :)

TexansSeminole
09-27-2009, 04:53 PM
Regarding the horse collar rule, if the QB is in the pocket you can horse collar tackle. So that call in the Tenn game was correct. As was the call against Mario. Refs got that right.

Regarding the Walter PI penalty, I can see it. It's a pick play and Walter ran right into the defender late in the play. That's how the rules are, its not like the refs went outside the rule book to make the call. I know you don't want it to be a PI call, but it looked like a legitimate call to me. The defender was stopped dead in his tracks and basically was taken out of the play. It doesn't matter if he was going to be in position to break up the pass, that's just the rules.

Doesn't matter anyway, we have the worse defense in the league, maybe even worse than Detroit last year.

IBleedTexans
09-27-2009, 04:54 PM
really bad call...you had to know something was gonna happen to prevent a win.....sigh gonna be a long week.

If you guys wanna blame the game on someone blame the game on fred bennet . This kid is horrible I've never liked his horrible coverage . He let a rookie open all game . Cut this sorry sob end of discussion

TheIronDuke
09-27-2009, 04:56 PM
If you guys wanna blame the game on someone blame the game on fred bennet . This kid is horrible I've never liked his horrible coverage . He let a rookie open all game . Cut this sorry sob end of discussion

No, that's on me, I'm responsible for getting the kids ready and he wasn't ready for what they were throwing at us out there.

GuerillaBlack
09-27-2009, 05:01 PM
Regarding the horse collar rule, if the QB is in the pocket you can horse collar tackle. So that call in the Tenn game was correct. As was the call against Mario. Refs got that right.

Regarding the Walter PI penalty, I can see it. It's a pick play and Walter ran right into the defender late in the play. That's how the rules are, its not like the refs went outside the rule book to make the call. I know you don't want it to be a PI call, but it looked like a legitimate call to me. The defender was stopped dead in his tracks and basically was taken out of the play. It doesn't matter if he was going to be in position to break up the pass, that's just the rules.

Doesn't matter anyway, we have the worse defense in the league, maybe even worse than Detroit last year.

Yeah, but Walter was looking back for the ball...

Malloy
09-27-2009, 05:07 PM
No, that's on me, I'm responsible for getting the kids ready and he wasn't ready for what they were throwing at us out there.

Time for a quiz, what defeat spawned that statement.

And the correct answer is... ALL OF THEM :I

Norg
09-27-2009, 05:12 PM
I blame this loss 100% on our Defense !!!!!!!!!!!!! and Kubes and RIck

bah007
09-27-2009, 05:13 PM
There were a lot of ticky tack calls by the refs (unnecessary roughness, hitting defensless receivers, etc.).

It's official the NFL is turning into the NBA and soon we will be seeing classic flops to get these ticky tack calls.

With all that said, the Texans still had their chances. The defense just couldn't hold anything.

We already see it when punters and QBs try to draw personal fouls.

Regarding this game, yes there were a few calls that didn't go our way, but we weren't "cheated" by the refs. That's just a lame excuse.

We blew this game ourselves with inconsistent play and making our biggest mistakes in situations where we couldn't afford any.

Unless we demand more as fans this same garbage is going to keep happening. This is our eighth season, it is time for the excuses to stop.

TheIronDuke
09-27-2009, 05:14 PM
I blame this loss 100% on our Defense !!!!!!!!!!!!! and Kubes and RIck

Wow, you're really putting yourself out there on that statement. I was going to blame Toby the assistant equipment manager but now I'm starting to see your point.

Norg
09-27-2009, 05:16 PM
Wow, you're really putting yourself out there on that statement. I was going to blame Toby the assistant equipment manager but now I'm starting to see your point.

No the equipment was fine has u seen slaton helmet did not come off usually his helmet comes off like 3 times a game last year this year ZERO times

Marcus
09-27-2009, 05:19 PM
Totally cost the freaking game, erased a TD tie game 31-31 we go to OT with a chance


F THE OFFICIALS THE LEAGUE OWES US A WIN

Disagree. Our defense, or lack of a defense is the reason we lost. And it's also the reason why we're probably not even going to have a winning record this year.

dickieb
09-27-2009, 05:53 PM
Disagree. Our defense, or lack of a defense is the reason we lost. And it's also the reason why we're probably not even going to have a winning record this year.

Good maybe we will have a high draft pick that we can use on a D-lineman - I think that's all we need to win the Superbowl next year.

mariowillshine15
09-27-2009, 05:54 PM
Kubiak just said that calling an offensive pass interference while the defense is in a zone is almost unheard of.

Well to our downfall it was heard today. Im starting to feel sick again.

Good thing is if i need to run to the bathroom to puke and the Texans D is in my way i would just run right through them.

Thorn
09-27-2009, 07:01 PM
Well to our downfall it was heard today. Im starting to feel sick again.

Good thing is if i need to run to the bathroom to puke and the Texans D is in my way i would just run right through them.

A troup of sleepwalking girl scouts could make it through the Texans D.

Big Lou
09-28-2009, 03:20 PM
You know there are a lot of people saying that the Texans should have played better and this crap penalty wouldn't have mattered, and they'd be right. But I call Bullshit on writing this off. It's easy to just say oh well, bad call, but they shouldn't have been in that position. Good teams still play down to their opponents on occasion, but they stay in the game, Houston was still in the game. They lost the oppurtunity to win when the officials made a stupid ass call. On any given Sunday any one can win, that's why they take the field, but that field should be fair, this is a prime example of why there should be some kind of instant replay.

I could never be a HC in the NFL, because if I were Kubiak I would have punched one of those jack asses in the face. Kubiaks ass might be on the line, and games like this could be the difference between him staying and not. Come monday those idiots that made that call will probably not be thinking about losing their jobs.

I say Houston should have a Battle Black and White Day, because they were the clear victors Sunday.

Vinny
10-02-2009, 11:37 AM
When they broke down this play on the NFL network with Mike Pereira and it looked like an obvious pick play when he broke it down in slow motion. You can clearly see Walter slide to the right to pick the defender.

HOU-TEX
10-02-2009, 11:49 AM
When they broke down this play on the NFL network with Mike Pereira and it looked like an obvious pick play when he broke it down in slow motion. You can clearly see Walter slide to the right to pick the defender.

I agree, but it happens all the time. It was a judgment call that ultimately decided the outcome of the game. Kinda weak if you ask me.

But, we obviously know what the real problem was and it's been beat to death.

Second Honeymoon
10-02-2009, 12:08 PM
It was pretty blatant to be honest. In real time, its hard to tell but it only shows how good some of these refs are at their job. Walter was just trying to give his team a chance to win but he tried to get over and got caught. Tough call at home but it was the right call.

The fumble can be blamed on 2 things. #1 Brown. #2 not having a goal line camera on Sunday's game. That is just pathetic. There was no angle given that showed football and knee at same time. A goal line camera would have done the job methinks. I think the Competition Committee has to mandate a goal line camera on both ends for every regular and postseason game.

They couldn't overturn the call based on the video evidence. You have to have both items in view in the same camera angle. The only way they could do it is to timestamp each angle and then they could compare two different angles at the same time if both werent visible in one angle.

Get it done, Goodell.

Vinny
10-02-2009, 12:11 PM
I agree, but it happens all the time. It was a judgment call that ultimately decided the outcome of the game. Kinda weak if you ask me.

But, we obviously know what the real problem was and it's been beat to death.but it happened RIGHT IN FRONT of the Ref....how does he not call it? I agree that it didn't lose the game for us.

TexansSeminole
10-02-2009, 12:43 PM
When they broke down this play on the NFL network with Mike Pereira and it looked like an obvious pick play when he broke it down in slow motion. You can clearly see Walter slide to the right to pick the defender.

Yup, it looked pretty obvious to me when they showed the replay during the game.

HOU-TEX
10-02-2009, 12:46 PM
but it happened RIGHT IN FRONT of the Ref....how does he not call it? I agree that it didn't lose the game for us.

Ha, didn't the ref end up being part of the pick? Walter ran into the defender which pushed him into the ref, IIRC.

BrandonLwowski
10-02-2009, 01:29 PM
I donít know if any of yall watched the official review on NFL network but they asked the commissioner or lead whatever of the refs in the NFL if it was a good or bad call...The ref was kind of leaning toward it being a bad call but, after watching it some more the ref said that it is a judgment call and when Walter veered to the right it looked as if he was setting the pick. In my opinion Walter was looking at the ball when the ref got in the way which made him veer upfield causing him to "set the pick" but once again the ref said it is mostly a judgment call

Vinny
10-02-2009, 01:37 PM
I don’t know if any of yall watched the official review on NFL network but they asked the commissioner or lead whatever of the refs in the NFL if it was a good or bad call...The ref was kind of leaning toward it being a bad call but, after watching it some more the ref said that it is a judgment call and when Walter veered to the right it looked as if he was setting the pick. In my opinion Walter was looking at the ball when the ref got in the way which made him veer upfield causing him to "set the pick" but once again the ref said it is mostly a judgment call

Walter wasn't looking at the ball. Mike Pereira took his time to explain the entire play very, very thoughtfully.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8130d2d9/Official-Review-Week-3

Blake
10-02-2009, 01:45 PM
I saw the segment on NFL network with Mike Pereira, and I still dont think it was a pick. Personally I think Walter was trying to side step around the defender and ended up running into him.

Its like walking down the hallway at work or school, you and another person approach eachother and try to avoid the collision by picking a side of the hallway to step to. Both you you end up steping to the same side of the hallway and almost hit eachother. Were you trying to make a pick, or were you trying to avoid the other person? Mike Pereira says you tried to set a pick on eachother.

Bad call. Mike is just trying to back his referee crew on a "judgment call."

Vinny
10-02-2009, 01:54 PM
I saw the segment on NFL network with Mike Pereira, and I still dont think it was a pick. Personally I think Walter was trying to side step around the defender and ended up running into him.

Its like walking down the hallway at work or school, you and another person approach eachother and try to avoid the collision by picking a side of the hallway to step to. Both you you end up steping to the same side of the hallway and almost hit eachother. Were you trying to make a pick, or were you trying to avoid the other person? Mike Pereira says you tried to set a pick on eachother.

Bad call. Mike is just trying to back his referee crew on a "judgment call."
perhaps you should change your name to Super Homer instead? :spit:

Blake
10-02-2009, 02:00 PM
perhaps you should change your name to Super Homer instead? :spit:

I forgot how witty you are. :bat:

You can insinuate that I am a homer all you want. If it is a judment call (Could go either way), which everyone agrees that it is, why am I a homer for thinking its not a pick? So since you think was a pick, does that mean you are a Jaguar homer?

Vinny
10-02-2009, 02:08 PM
just messing with you...and yeah, frankly I like honesty and impartial observations but I'm used to the homerized takes that each fan base inevitably have. It's like partisan politics where nobody can see fault in their guy or openly admit it if they do.

Blake
10-02-2009, 02:29 PM
just messing with you...and yeah, frankly I like honesty and impartial observations but I'm used to the homerized takes that each fan base inevitably have. It's like partisan politics where nobody can see fault in their guy or openly admit it if they do.

Its ok. I know you mess around all in good fun.

And with politics nobody wins. jk.

I try not to be a homer, and call it like I see it. Lets just hope the call goes our way next time it partly decides the outcome of the game.

Cheers.

Vinny
10-02-2009, 03:17 PM
yer good...You've been here thru thick and thin and I even remember your original screen name and your avy pic mr B. :wild: I know you tell it like you see it.

Blake
10-02-2009, 03:24 PM
yer good...You've been here thru thick and thin and I even remember your original screen name and your avy pic mr B. :wild: I know you tell it like you see it.

lol @ you remembering DC_ROCK. I was reppin my band with that name. Once the band fell apart I felt like a change was needed. Thanks for helping me with that again. Really appreciated.

And yes, unfortunatly for me, I have been here thru think and thin...

ubecool454
10-02-2009, 04:34 PM
Totally cost the freaking game, erased a TD tie game 31-31 we go to OT with a chance


F THE OFFICIALS THE LEAGUE OWES US A WIN

Look at the play again...the official was the one that set the pick not walter.

Texans_Chick
10-02-2009, 04:45 PM
just messing with you...and yeah, frankly I like honesty and impartial observations but I'm used to the homerized takes that each fan base inevitably have. It's like partisan politics where nobody can see fault in their guy or openly admit it if they do.

Here's an interesting take (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/30/zebra-report-another-texan-controversy/) with the rule highlighted

ChampionTexan
10-02-2009, 05:00 PM
Here's an interesting take (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/30/zebra-report-another-texan-controversy/) with the rule highlighted
From the Fanhouse article:
Don't get confused by the wording. Walter most certainly "blocked" the defender on this play. His intent doesn't matter, nor does where he's looking (at the ball or the defender).

What's funny about this (and I'm not claiming to know who's correct) is that when discussing it on NFLTA, Mike Pereira was very emphatic that intent was critical, and he indicated that he believed intent was shown when Walter veered to his right at the last second.

Eisen then asked him if a the call should have been made if the referee believed that it was not Walter's intent to interfere with the defender, and while I can't find the exact response, Pereira made it clear that if the referee did not believe intent existed, no call should have been made.

Joe Texan
10-02-2009, 07:16 PM
The defense stunk the stadium up but the offense battled back just to have the convicts call the game. Way to go NFL

b0ng
10-02-2009, 07:21 PM
The defense stunk the stadium up but the offense battled back just to have the convicts call the game. Way to go NFL

Nah. If you're in a position to lose a game based on a call against a team you feel that you are superior to, then the game was lost way before the 4th quarter.

And we still got 2 more tries to get it in after that and we failed, in spectacular fashion no less.

ObsiWan
10-03-2009, 01:01 AM
Walter wasn't looking at the ball. Mike Pereira took his time to explain the entire play very, very thoughtfully.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8130d2d9/Official-Review-Week-3

Did you notice how sheepish Pereira looked as he gave that explanation? It wasn't a cut and dry obvious pick. And the ref had to guess at Walter's "intent".

And the ironic part is that had Walter not made contact with the LB, he (the LB) would have gotten "picked" by the ref anyway.

TexansSeminole
10-03-2009, 02:17 AM
Did you notice how sheepish Pereira looked as he gave that explanation? It wasn't a cut and dry obvious pick. And the ref had to guess at Walter's "intent".

And the ironic part is that had Walter not made contact with the LB, he (the LB) would have gotten "picked" by the ref anyway.

If that's the case than Walter shouldn't hve picked him, but he did and the rest is history.

m5kwatts
10-03-2009, 02:56 AM
The bottom line is you don't make that call when its zone, its total BS the design of the plays from both the offense and defense collided, that isn't a penalty.

infantrycak
10-03-2009, 08:56 AM
When they broke down this play on the NFL network with Mike Pereira and it looked like an obvious pick play when he broke it down in slow motion. You can clearly see Walter slide to the right to pick the defender.

Walter wasn't looking at the ball. Mike Pereira took his time to explain the entire play very, very thoughtfully.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8130d2d9/Official-Review-Week-3

I gotta disagree even more after seeing the video and explanation. When I said it was a technical violation earlier I didn't think intent counted. Pereira clearly said intent does count. Looking at particularly the first time they show the play during his review, the LB is the first person to move causing the alteration of the route. He takes a step to the left hands up like he is about to go into a block or block Walter's route. That causes Walter to take the step to the right. If intent is the key as Mike said it was then that flag shouldn't have been thrown. And I agree with Obsiwan - Mike did seem almost sheepish on that one.

Htownsportsfan
10-03-2009, 09:09 AM
I gotta disagree even more after seeing the video and explanation. When I said it was a technical violation earlier I didn't think intent counted. Pereira clearly said intent does count. Looking at particularly the first time they show the play during his review, the LB is the first person to move causing the alteration of the route. He takes a step to the left hands up like he is about to go into a block or block Walter's route. That causes Walter to take the step to the right. If intent is the key as Mike said it was then that flag shouldn't have been thrown. And I agree with Obsiwan - Mike did seem almost sheepish on that one.

Listening to him almost made me laugh! It was as if he was defending a position that while it may not be out and out wrong he just didnt seem to believe. Seeing it in slow motion showed that there were some motions made that had to be interpreted and thats never a good thing as a Texans fan. It sounded like he was saying yeas we got it right but if we called it the other way we would have had it right then also. What? You know things are breaking bad for the Texans when there are two plays form the game that come up during official review.

bckey
10-03-2009, 09:23 AM
Has Pereira ever come out and said we got the call wrong?

b0ng
10-03-2009, 11:45 AM
Yes. The Ed Hochuli Den/SD game that had the fumble springs to mind.

bckey
10-03-2009, 12:58 PM
Yes. The Ed Hochuli Den/SD game that had the fumble springs to mind.

That one was so blatant that there was no way to deny it was the wrong call. They said the whistle had blown. It cost San Diego the game but unfortunately even calls that are so bad that even your mom can see it is wrong just don't get reversed once the almighty whistle is said to have blown even when it hadn't.

b0ng
10-03-2009, 01:06 PM
That one was so blatant that there was no way to deny it was the wrong call. They said the whistle had blown. It cost San Diego the game but unfortunately even calls that are so bad that even your mom can see it is wrong just don't get reversed once the almighty whistle is said to have blown even when it hadn't.

Hey you asked, and I answered.

bckey
10-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Hey you asked, and I answered.

Thanks. I didn't mean to so like I didn't appreciate it. I was just saying there really was no way to deny that call. I'm suprised he even went on nfl network to discuss it.

b0ng
10-03-2009, 01:16 PM
Thanks. I didn't mean to so like I didn't appreciate it. I was just saying there really was no way to deny that call. I'm suprised he even went on nfl network to discuss it.

How about something a little more current. (http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/10/1/1064707/nfl-admits-crucial-officiating)

EDIT: I don't know if Peiria talked about this on NFLTA though, so I don't know if it counts for that.

BattleRedToro
10-03-2009, 02:01 PM
Here's an interesting take (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/30/zebra-report-another-texan-controversy/) with the rule highlighted

From the Fanhouse article:


What's funny about this (and I'm not claiming to know who's correct) is that when discussing it on NFLTA, Mike Pereira was very emphatic that intent was critical, and he indicated that he believed intent was shown when Walter veered to his right at the last second.

Eisen then asked him if a the call should have been made if the referee believed that it was not Walter's intent to interfere with the defender, and while I can't find the exact response, Pereira made it clear that if the referee did not believe intent existed, no call should have been made.

(8-5-4, page 57) Other Prohibited acts by the offense. Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to a pass being thrown is offensive pass interference. Note: It is also pass interference by the offense to block a defender beyond the line while the pass is in the air, if the block occurs in the vicinity of the player to whom the pass is thrown.

Additionally, Matt Snyder's emphasis on vicinity is irrelevant as the block occurred before the pass was thrown. Vicinity only matters if the block occurs while the pass is in the air, which didn't happen in this instance.

Champion Texan, you are right that Pereira seemed to indicate that intent was important, calling the play a judgement call. On the other hand, according to the rules qouted from the Matt Snyder article it seems to indicate that the only judgement should be in determining whether the offensive player intiated contact or the defensive player did and the call would then either be offensive pass interference or defensive pass interference.