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powerfuldragon
09-26-2009, 01:42 AM
http://thepulplist.com/2009/09/the-top-15-worst-nfl-hall-of-fame-members/

15. All Veteran’s Committee Selections
14. Dave Casper, TE (Oakland Raiders)
13. Lynn Swann & John Stallworth, WR’s (Pittsburgh Steelers)
12. Larry Csonka, RB (Miami Dolphins)
11. Rayfield Wright, OG (Dallas Cowboys)
10. Roger Wehrli, DB (St. Louis Cardinals)
9. Andre Tippett, OLB (New England Patriots)
8. Paul Hornung, RB (Green Bay Packers)
7. Dan Hampton, DT (Chicago Bears)
6. Bob Griese, QB (Miami Dolphins)
5. John Madden, Coach (Oakland Raiders)
4. Harry Carson, LB (New York Giants)
3. Michael Irvin, WR (Dallas Cowboys)
2. John Riggins, RB (Washington Redskins)
1. Joe Namath, QB (New York Jets)


i'm bored, and this list kept me entertained for all of five minutes. your thoughts? who else do you think belongs on this list? who doesn't? why?

eriadoc
09-26-2009, 10:54 AM
Lynn Swann is the worst HoF member ever. He got in based on a few plays.

I'm OK with John Riggins and Dave Casper being in. Riggins made those Redskins SB teams go when he was there. He was the perfect complement to a great OL. Casper was like a modern day TE, but in the '70s. Plus, he was an Oiler for a while!

I'd have to think about the rest. I think some of them are borderline guys that end up opening the door for other borderline guys, which just waters down the achievement.

I'd also add that, given the bias against defensive players, I'm generally OK with all of those selections.

Texan4Ever
09-26-2009, 10:57 AM
George Blanda, what did he ever do except throw a bunch of INTs in his career and play untill he was like 80-years old.

WWJD
09-26-2009, 11:00 AM
George Blanda, what did he ever do except throw a bunch of INTs in his career and play untill he was like 80-years old.

He was only one of the greatest players EVER..

Wolf
09-26-2009, 11:01 AM
And Dr Doom can't get in :gun:

He is the only linebacker from the 1970s All-Decade Team not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

Showtime100
09-26-2009, 11:09 AM
I dislike Casper's behavior as an Oiler. Of course Ed Biles didn't help, Biles was a freaking joke. Casper came in and said he would not cut his hair because Biles can't make him do it. (different time, back when players respected their good fortune) So he didn't. Biles didn't do a thing about it either.

IMO, he disrespected the Oilers and any 8-year TE Doesn't belong unless he had something else going.....other than being a Raideroid. JMHO.

eriadoc
09-26-2009, 11:43 AM
I dislike Casper's behavior as an Oiler. Of course Ed Biles didn't help, Biles was a freaking joke. Casper came in and said he would not cut his hair because Biles can't make him do it. (different time, back when players respected their good fortune) So he didn't. Biles didn't do a thing about it either.

IMO, he disrespected the Oilers and any 8-year TE Doesn't belong unless he had something else going.....other than being a Raideroid. JMHO.

Well, he had something else going - productivity.

But I liked the hair incident. I had long hair back then, LOL. And I've always been rebellious. Imagine that.

Showtime100
09-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Well, he had something else going - productivity.

But I liked the hair incident. I had long hair back then, LOL. And I've always been rebellious. Imagine that.

Me too. :tiphat: My hair eventually got really long, so I could relate...lol.

Lucky
09-26-2009, 12:17 PM
Poor fact checking from a blogger who has never seen most of these players actually play. From the link posted above:

While acknowledging that he did go to seven pro bowls, we’re curious why in just under 200 career games he managed to start in only 66 of them. Fellow enshrinee Mel Blount, who played in almost the same amount of games, managed to start three times as many games as Wehrli. If you were not even a starter in your era, how are you Hall-worthy?
I don't know exactly where the blogger came up with his "facts" regarding Wehri's number of starts. Likely pro-football-reference.com. But, Roger Wehri was a starter for almost his entire career. Reserve CBs don't make All Pro. Also, Rayfield Wright was a RT for the Cowboys. At a time when many of the better DEs in the game (Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Jack Youngblood, etc.) played on the defensive left side. This piece is just poorly done.

Second Honeymoon
09-26-2009, 12:21 PM
for Irvin to be #3 on this list is a disgrace. anyone who knows anything about football realizes how great of a WR and a football player Irvin was.

the guy who wrote this list is a total loser

WWJD
09-26-2009, 12:23 PM
And Dr Doom can't get in :gun:

He is the only linebacker from the 1970s All-Decade Team not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

You should contact John McClain via his blog or by email..I know he's not a popular guy on these boards but he has been instrumental in getting some old Oiler greats noticed by these committees that nominate and such.

I think he is the one that gave the speech to have Warren Moon nominated and he did alot of work getting Bethea (I think it was him) in the HOF.

Silver Oak
09-26-2009, 02:02 PM
irregardless of his lifelong stats, Namath's name on here is a joke. his playing in SB III, and his charisma helped the league become what it is today.

some of these bloggers are just asinine.

The Pencil Neck
09-26-2009, 02:28 PM
This list is just dumb and shows off the ignorance of the blogger.

mancunian
09-26-2009, 03:04 PM
Dan Hampton shouldn't be on the list

kastofsna
09-26-2009, 03:30 PM
lol @ "all veteran's selections."

Goatcheese
09-26-2009, 04:40 PM
Did he really just include John Madden as one of the worst HoF'ers of all time?

A guy who was the youngest coach to win 100 games, which took him just 10 seasons in the NFL, has the 2nd highest winning percentage in NFL history, has a winning record against other HoF coaches, and never had a losing record as a head coach.

He's not the all time greatest coach, but to say he's not deserving of being in the hall is pretty weak.

SheTexan
09-26-2009, 07:09 PM
Warren Moon should be #1 on the list! JMO!

Silver Oak
09-26-2009, 08:48 PM
Warren Moon should be #1 on the list! JMO!

IMO...worst era of Oiler football. I really disliked the Run n Shoot.

playa465
09-27-2009, 01:56 AM
Lynn Swann , John Stallworth, Dan Hampton and Joe Namath are not
HOF worthy IMO...but they are in and that won't change...here is a good article on defensive players and the HOF:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1356

Carr Bombed
09-27-2009, 02:26 AM
for Irvin to be #3 on this list is a disgrace. anyone who knows anything about football realizes how great of a WR and a football player Irvin was.

the guy who wrote this list is a total loser

His speech was the best HOF speech I've ever heard.....at any HOF ceremony.

and yes.......that guy was a bonified HOFer, even Aikman and Emmitt admit he was the emotional glue and leader on those SB winning teams.

The Pencil Neck
09-27-2009, 12:13 PM
Lynn Swann , John Stallworth, Dan Hampton and Joe Namath are not
HOF worthy IMO...but they are in and that won't change...here is a good article on defensive players and the HOF:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1356

Without Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, the Steelers wouldn't have been a dynasty. They didn't have the huge numbers of WR's that were in pass-happy schemes or on teams that were behind a lot of the time. But they always made the big catch when the big catch needed to be made. Arguably the best tandem of WR's in the history of the game. HOF.

Joe Namath had a really good career. He was injured way too much. But he's not in the HOF on the strength of his career taken as a whole. He's in the HOF because of the importance of 1 game. Joe Namath is a great example talking the talk and then walking the walk. If that Jet team gets embarrassed, there's probably no merger and the Super Bowl devolves into a joke along the lines of the Super Bowl winner playing the winner of NFL Europe. HOF.

Dan Hampton? Voted to the All Decade team of the 80's. 80-something sacks mostly from the DT position. Foundation of one of the greatest defenses of all time. I'm fine with that selection. DT's don't get enough love.

Ckw
09-27-2009, 01:43 PM
Did he really just include John Madden as one of the worst HoF'ers of all time?

A guy who was the youngest coach to win 100 games, which took him just 10 seasons in the NFL, has the 2nd highest winning percentage in NFL history, has a winning record against other HoF coaches, and never had a losing record as a head coach.

He's not the all time greatest coach, but to say he's not deserving of being in the hall is pretty weak.

Not to mention his contributions to the NFL outside of the coaching realm.

This blogger just jumped from "a little off" to complete moron with that one.

Second Honeymoon
09-28-2009, 03:09 PM
His speech was the best HOF speech I've ever heard.....at any HOF ceremony.

and yes.......that guy was a bonified HOFer, even Aikman and Emmitt admit he was the emotional glue and leader on those SB winning teams.

no doubt, man. he was the heart and soul of that team. personal problems aside, he was one of the best football players I have ever seen.

dude was The Playmaker for a reason

Texan_Bill
09-28-2009, 03:11 PM
And Dr Doom can't get in :gun:

He is the only linebacker from the 1970s All-Decade Team not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

I'm with you on this one!! :gun: