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TexansSeminole
09-23-2009, 01:30 PM
Let's see the defensive tackle prospects guys. I am not optimistic about any of the defensive tackles on our roster's progression. Maybe Robinson a little and Okam very little, but that's it. Okoye is a liability, and although he is only 22, he isn't progressing. Maybe I could believe in him if I saw constant, even slow progression. But it's not there.

6-4 297 lb RS/JR Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma

Career stats entering 2009 season:

49 tackles, 17.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 interception, 2 pass breakups.

6-4 300 lb RS/SR Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska

Career stats entering 2009 season:

130 tackles, 33 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 3 blocked kicks, 3 interceptions (2 returned for TDs), 5 pass breakups.

6-5 365 lb SR Terrance Cody, Alabama

Career stats with Alabama entering 2009 season (one season of play):

24 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, .5 sack, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumble recoveries.

6-5 305 lb SR Vince Oghobaase, Duke

Career stats entering 2009 season:

128 tackles, 29 tackles for loss, 11.5 sacks, 1 safety, 1 blocked kick.


Please add some guys to this list, or if you can give the 2009 stats for these players.

pbat488
09-23-2009, 01:59 PM
This adds nothing to the thread, but one of my better girl friends (not an old girlfriend, just a friend who is a girl) from my hometown goes to OU and has dated McCoy off and on for the past year or two and I've met him a couple times. Big guy, big hands, seemed pretty nice. Never worked up enough backbone to ask him for an autograph, don't think my friend/his girlfriend would like that too much.

Silver Oak
09-23-2009, 02:59 PM
nice list TS, and I like those guys, it just leaves me with bile in my mouth when I realize we have to try and fill a need in that position...again.

76Texan
09-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Right now I'm liking Cody and Suh!

Goldensilence
09-23-2009, 05:03 PM
nice list TS, and I like those guys, it just leaves me with bile in my mouth when I realize we have to try and fill a need in that position...again.

Pretty much my problem too. I'm dreading the thought of getting another DT in the first where it's really boom or bust. The back end of the defense needs help terribly and I hope this staff(assuming its still here) finally addresses the need early on.

Has anyone else noticed how quietly well Kyle McCarthy for the Irish has played real well? He's not Eric Berry but the guy has 3 games and 3 picks. One of which sealed a victory. Could be a second or third round steal.

rmartin65
09-23-2009, 05:33 PM
I will try to do it in the same way the 2010 Safeties thread.

Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh, 6'4" 302 lbs
Suh will be a stud. Speed, strength, agility, intelligence, he has it all. Probably the best DT I have seen coming out of college since I started paying attention (5 years). He is a top 5 pick for sure.

Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy, 6'4" 298 lbs
Another stud, and if this were any other year he would be the top DT prospect without a doubt. Again, size, speed, strength, its all there. Top 10 pick

Tier 1 1/2- Very Good Prospects

Syracuse's Arthur Jones, 6'3" 295 lbs
Jones does not nearly get the respect he deserves. I want to put him in the first group, but I worry that he looks so good because of his competition (Big East). Anyway, he is a legit player. Top 15 pick, very good against the run. He actually might be one of the best DT's for us because he is almost perfect for the NT spot.

Duke's Vince Oghobaase, 6'5" 305 lbs
Another player who does not get respect. Oghobaase is the real deal, despite what the internet people say. Just watch some Duke games and you will see why. He might not even go in the 1st, but I would be very happy if the Texans got him.

Tier 2- Good Prospects

North Carolina's Marvin Austin, 6'3" 305 lbs
Austin is an athletic freak, reports of 4.8 speed. His play needs to reflect that though, which is why I bump him down. Athletically he could be in the next tier, but I have not seen enough out of him to warrant it.

Georgia's Jeff Owens, 6'1" 306
A little shorter than one would like to see, he makes up for it in effort. More of a run stuffer than pass rusher, he has elite strength but marginal speed. 2nd rounder.

Florida's Lawrence Marsh, 6'4" 304 lbs
Marsh is one of the cogs in the vaunted Florida D. Spikes gets most of the recognition (and rightfully so) but Marsh is the one who keeps the big uglies off of him. He should stay in school, but if he declares he should go in the second.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Alabama's Terrence Cody, 6'4" 365 lbs
Eh. I am not as high on him as others, as many of you are no doubt aware. Cody is nothing more than a run stopper, a two down player at best. He gets by because of his immense size, that wont work in the pros. He has the talent of a third rounder, but will go in the first because of his bulk. BUST.

Penn State's Jared Odrick, 6'4" 298 lbs
Odrick may fit better as a 34 end. He is an unspectacular player, not much really to say. He does his job, and should be selected in the 2nd/3rd.

Wake Forest's Boo Robinson, 6'1" 295 lbs
Another shorter DT, Robinson is more a balanced player. He had a slow start to the season, but picked it up last week. Robinson should be a 3rd rounder, maybe 4th.

76Texan
09-23-2009, 05:58 PM
I will try to study some of these guys.

Here are Cody's first 3 plays against VTech:

1-10
Got double team. They also ran away from him to the outside.

2-8
Ran away from him to the outside.

3-2
Got double teamed again. Leaving his teammate to make the third down stop.

bah007
09-23-2009, 06:44 PM
This season's stats up to date:

I listed the guys that I think will get drafted in the first round.

Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
vs Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
vs Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
vs BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
vs Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
vs Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
vs Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
vs Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down

steelbtexan
09-23-2009, 09:04 PM
I want Smithiak to use the draft to upgrade the secondary. A CB and two S would suit me fine.

I would rather see a big run stuffing DT be picked up in FA. (Hampton or Seymour) Spend all of the FA money you have to sign one of these guys.

Dont spend anymore high draft picks on the hope that some developmental DT actually develops. (Okoye)

Spend the Money BoB

Wolf6151
09-23-2009, 09:07 PM
I think a distinction needs to be made between UT and NT. We need a NT/DT not an UT/DT. The only guys on these lists that are NT/DT are Terrence Cody, Ndamukong Suh, and Vince Oghobaase though I'm not real familiar with all of these guys. McCoy, and Jones are UT's like Amobi Okoye. I hope he's still around in the 2nd round, might be a late 1st rounder, but the guy I'd like to see the Texans go after in the 2nd is Vince Oghobaase. This guy has athleticism and the size and frame to easily handle another 20-25 lbs. without losing speed. I really hope that we don't target a DT in the 1st round, it's really getting old, going after D-linemen in the 1st round. Lets spread some of that talent around, it's desparately needed in the secondary.

Silver Oak
09-23-2009, 09:15 PM
I have daily thoughts and wishes that Okam will wake up one day, and decide he wants to be a terror in the NFL for the next 8 years.

bah007
09-27-2009, 11:21 AM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle

awtysst
09-27-2009, 11:26 AM
I am looking forward to seeing Al Woods from LSU. He has all the tools to get it done, now its a matter of doing it. He has the potential to be a late round steal, but he needs to get his head into the game and just do it.

Also looking at Boo Robinson from Wake Forest. He is a Huge run stuffer that can push up the middle as well. Might be a potential role DT on obvious run situations. Potential 3rd-4th rounder now.

beerlover
09-30-2009, 12:56 PM
I cannot stomich the approach of throw another 1st rd. pick on the DL, can't. address this need in free agency as a top priority but not via the draft is just to hard to project players potential @ this position.

I would however be willing to invest for future purposes a 3rd/4th rd. pick. Would prefer someone already sound fundamentally from solid defensive program like Wake Forrest (Aaron Curry, Alphonso Smith & Chip Vaughn). Boo Robinson is now a Senior, his specialty is run stuffer, good quickness, smart & well coached. I think he would fit in nicely as a rotational player with good effort.

Vinny
09-30-2009, 01:01 PM
Don't we do this every year?

Mr teX
09-30-2009, 01:02 PM
Not to de-rail the thread, but i think we need to get a safety in the 1st round...by any means reasonably necessary. If we pick at the same spot as we did last year, that's perfect for us to draft one.

Wolf6151
09-30-2009, 11:56 PM
I don't want another 1st round D-lineman, there are other holes on the team that could use some good talent as well. It's time to spread some of that talent around. Also whoever we pick in the 1st round is very dependent on whether or not Dunta returns next year or not. If Dunta returns then I'd like to see us go after a Safety like Morgan Burnett in the 1st round and then go after Boo Robinson in the 2nd or 3rd round. If Dunta leaves then we'll need to fill that spot right away with either Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden, cause none of our backup CB's are worth a damn. We could then go Safety in the 2nd round and possibly Boo Robinson in the 3rd or if he's gone then the best O-lineman available.

76Texan
10-01-2009, 12:12 AM
I don't want another 1st round D-lineman, there are other holes on the team that could use some good talent as well. It's time to spread some of that talent around. Also whoever we pick in the 1st round is very dependent on whether or not Dunta returns next year or not. If Dunta returns then I'd like to see us go after a Safety like Morgan Burnett in the 1st round and then go after Boo Robinson in the 2nd or 3rd round. If Dunta leaves then we'll need to fill that spot right away with either Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden, cause none of our backup CB's are worth a damn. We could then go Safety in the 2nd round and possibly Boo Robinson in the 3rd or if he's gone then the best O-lineman available.

I don't look for any particular position at the moment.
We still have FA and possible trade(s) before the next draft.

But it's always good to know if a certain is available at our spot, is he worthy enough for us to go BPA?!?

pbat488
10-01-2009, 12:38 AM
I am looking forward to seeing Al Woods from LSU. He has all the tools to get it done, now its a matter of doing it. He has the potential to be a late round steal, but he needs to get his head into the game and just do it.

We already got him on the team. He wears #97.

TexansSeminole
10-01-2009, 11:03 AM
I cannot stomich the approach of throw another 1st rd. pick on the DL, can't. address this need in free agency as a top priority but not via the draft is just to hard to project players potential @ this position.

Don't we do this every year?

Pretty much, but you've got to do whatever it takes to get better up front.

Look at the Eagles. In 2005 they picked up DT Mike Patterson from USC in the 1st. In 2006 they picked up Broderick Bunkley from FSU in the 1st. They spent a 2nd on a DE in 2007.

Even though Patterson and Bunkley are starters who have played well, and are only 26, the Eagles still addressed DT in the 2008 draft. They picked up Trevor Laws from Notre Dame in the 2nd (their highest draft choice). They also took a DE in the 3rd.

I know it sucks to think we might have to go DT early, but we've got to get better up front. Whatever it takes.

beerlover
10-01-2009, 11:51 AM
Pretty much, but you've got to do whatever it takes to get better up front.

Look at the Eagles. In 2005 they picked up DT Mike Patterson from USC in the 1st. In 2006 they picked up Broderick Bunkley from FSU in the first. They spent a 2nd on a DE in 2007.

Even though Patterson and Bunkley are starters who have played well, and are only 26, the Eagles still addressed DT in the 2008 draft. They picked up Trevor Laws from Notre Dame in the 2nd (their highest draft choice). They also took a DE in the 3rd.

I know it sucks to think we might have to go DT early, but we've got to get better up front. Whatever it takes.

Shows poor imagination, creativity & player evaluation if you must continue to address what has been repeated over & over. Rick should want to create a culture where the players are always asking, “Where did they get this guy from?” You want to show the players you recognize talent as GM. You want them to respect your evaluations so that when changes are needed, they accept the soundness of your decisions. As much as the players are showcasing their talents to the staff, the staff is showcasing their talents to the players and the rest of the league. The odds are against "Doing whatever it takes" (throwing another 1st rd. pick on this DL) because the personel should be able to run a stinking set already - can't trust a defensive braintrust to get it together & simply hand them over more blank checks :pop:

LonerATO
10-01-2009, 02:50 PM
Shows poor imagination, creativity & player evaluation if you must continue to address what has been repeated over & over. Rick should want to create a culture where the players are always asking, “Where did they get this guy from?” You want to show the players you recognize talent as GM. You want them to respect your evaluations so that when changes are needed, they accept the soundness of your decisions. As much as the players are showcasing their talents to the staff, the staff is showcasing their talents to the players and the rest of the league. The odds are against "Doing whatever it takes" (throwing another 1st rd. pick on this DL) because the personel should be able to run a stinking set already - can't trust a defensive braintrust to get it together & simply hand them over more blank checks :pop:

Philly drafts linemen because of Reid and his love for those hogs in the trench. Texans need DT/Safety/CB/OG and these need to be addressed first. Hell i think the Texans need to use all picks on the D side this year. I cant believe I just said that, but its true.

badboy
10-01-2009, 03:59 PM
I will try to do it in the same way the 2010 Safeties thread.

Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh, 6'4" 302 lbs
Suh will be a stud. Speed, strength, agility, intelligence, he has it all. Probably the best DT I have seen coming out of college since I started paying attention (5 years). He is a top 5 pick for sure.

Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy, 6'4" 298 lbs
Another stud, and if this were any other year he would be the top DT prospect without a doubt. Again, size, speed, strength, its all there. Top 10 pick

Tier 1 1/2- Very Good Prospects

Syracuse's Arthur Jones, 6'3" 295 lbs
Jones does not nearly get the respect he deserves. I want to put him in the first group, but I worry that he looks so good because of his competition (Big East). Anyway, he is a legit player. Top 15 pick, very good against the run. He actually might be one of the best DT's for us because he is almost perfect for the NT spot.

Duke's Vince Oghobaase, 6'5" 305 lbs
Another player who does not get respect. Oghobaase is the real deal, despite what the internet people say. Just watch some Duke games and you will see why. He might not even go in the 1st, but I would be very happy if the Texans got him.

Tier 2- Good Prospects

North Carolina's Marvin Austin, 6'3" 305 lbs
Austin is an athletic freak, reports of 4.8 speed. His play needs to reflect that though, which is why I bump him down. Athletically he could be in the next tier, but I have not seen enough out of him to warrant it.

Georgia's Jeff Owens, 6'1" 306
A little shorter than one would like to see, he makes up for it in effort. More of a run stuffer than pass rusher, he has elite strength but marginal speed. 2nd rounder.

Florida's Lawrence Marsh, 6'4" 304 lbs
Marsh is one of the cogs in the vaunted Florida D. Spikes gets most of the recognition (and rightfully so) but Marsh is the one who keeps the big uglies off of him. He should stay in school, but if he declares he should go in the second.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Alabama's Terrence Cody, 6'4" 365 lbs
Eh. I am not as high on him as others, as many of you are no doubt aware. Cody is nothing more than a run stopper, a two down player at best. He gets by because of his immense size, that wont work in the pros. He has the talent of a third rounder, but will go in the first because of his bulk. BUST.

Penn State's Jared Odrick, 6'4" 298 lbs
Odrick may fit better as a 34 end. He is an unspectacular player, not much really to say. He does his job, and should be selected in the 2nd/3rd.

Wake Forest's Boo Robinson, 6'1" 295 lbs
Another shorter DT, Robinson is more a balanced player. He had a slow start to the season, but picked it up last week. Robinson should be a 3rd rounder, maybe 4th.Info on nfldraftscout.com on V.O. Has a recent leg injury. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56563&draftyear=2010&genpos=

Wolf6151
10-01-2009, 05:38 PM
Walterfootball.com has Boo Robinson listed as 6'02" and 326 lbs., with that size I'd like it if the Texans took him in the 3rd round but your source has him listed as 295 lbs.. I think Vince Oghobaase has potential as well but I worry about his height, just like Okam, I wonder if he'll have trouble getting low enough and if O-lineman will stand him up easily. Tall NT's have leverage issues if they can't get low.

I agree with your assessment of Terrance Cody, his size and weight advantage won't work for him in the pro's. In college he outweighs O-linemen by 60-70 lbs. and doesn't need technique, in the pros his size and weight won't be a big issue or advantage for him. I also think he'll be a bust.

LonerATO
10-01-2009, 06:38 PM
Walterfootball.com has Boo Robinson listed as 6'02" and 326 lbs., with that size I'd like it if the Texans took him in the 3rd round but your source has him listed as 295 lbs.. I think Vince Oghobaase has potential as well but I worry about his height, just like Okam, I wonder if he'll have trouble getting low enough and if O-lineman will stand him up easily. Tall NT's have leverage issues if they can't get low.

I agree with your assessment of Terrance Cody, his size and weight advantage won't work for him in the pro's. In college he outweighs O-linemen by 60-70 lbs. and doesn't need technique, in the pros his size and weight won't be a big issue or advantage for him. I also think he'll be a bust.

You are right about Cody and his alligator arms, but that kid is going to be a used in the 3-4

steelbtexan
10-01-2009, 07:17 PM
I hope McNair pays Casey Hampton to come home in FA and they Draft Boo Robinson in the 3rd rd. That should allow the secondary to get fixed in rds 1-2.

It looks like the Texans may be in the running for Berry/Mays.

Unfortunately

playa465
10-01-2009, 11:14 PM
I've watched Boo Robinson for a couple of years...there is no way he lasts past the 1st couple of picks into the 2nd rd

LonerATO
10-02-2009, 12:33 AM
I've watched Boo Robinson for a couple of years...there is no way he lasts past the 1st couple of picks into the 2nd rd

That depends on what teams need and how high he is rated, but I think he is mid to late 2 round pick.

badboy
10-02-2009, 11:56 AM
As of today I am projecting Houston to draft about #14.
1st round Taylor Mays FS/SS this stud should go sooner but may fall like Malcom Jenkins
2nd round: If Mays gone Jerome Murphy South Florida CB/FS/KR 6'1" 185 4.48 in fact, I might draft him anyway. 2nd choice is Jared Odrick Penn STate DT/DE 6'4" 298
3rd round: Toby Gerhart Stanford RB/FB/HB 6'1" 235 rated 3rd best RB NFLdraftscout.com
4th round: Thomas Austin CLemson O.G. 6'3" 310 5.17 "good feet and sets like an anchor". Plays guard center and tackle.

Vinny
10-02-2009, 11:58 AM
Don't we do this every year?

Pretty much, but you've got to do whatever it takes to get better up front.

Look at the Eagles. In 2005 they picked up DT Mike Patterson from USC in the 1st. In 2006 they picked up Broderick Bunkley from FSU in the 1st. They spent a 2nd on a DE in 2007.

Even though Patterson and Bunkley are starters who have played well, and are only 26, the Eagles still addressed DT in the 2008 draft. They picked up Trevor Laws from Notre Dame in the 2nd (their highest draft choice). They also took a DE in the 3rd.

I know it sucks to think we might have to go DT early, but we've got to get better up front. Whatever it takes.
I mean the fans...we get all excited about Vince Wilfork or some other guy who can actually play and they sign guys in diapers or players like TJ. Speaking of TJ the tackle play went down the tubes since they released him. Kinda tells us how crappy our interior DT's are.

badboy
10-02-2009, 12:00 PM
I've watched Boo Robinson for a couple of years...there is no way he lasts past the 1st couple of picks into the 2nd rdRated 3-4th round by a good draft site. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72684&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT

beerlover
10-02-2009, 02:23 PM
I mean the fans...we get all excited about Vince Wilfork or some other guy who can actually play and they sign guys in diapers or players like TJ. Speaking of TJ the tackle play went down the tubes since they released him. Kinda tells us how crappy our interior DT's are.

In retrospect, the 04 draft is still haunting this organization.

Cappers needed a NT @ the point to lead his 3-4 & also two-gap DT end. Both Tommy Harris (Bears #14) & Vince Wilfork (Pats #21) were both still on the board.

Taking DT (Harris/Wilfork) over CB (Dunta Robinson) would also have negated the Babin trade making addressing the secondary more important than OLB (Jason Babin) & still on the board if they had not made that infamous trade was Safety Bob Sanders.

If they had addressed DT on one of these two prospects (plus secondary) they would not have reached for Travis Johnson in 05. How about addressing the QB position? Aaron Rodgers was falling, projected top 5 pick, how different would the Texans be now? This would have negated the David Carr extension plus the need to trade two 2nds for Matt Schaub.

Thats two more 2nd rd. picks added to the mix, not to mention with a better secondary no need to trade for Phillip Buchanon. One would think another DT or two could have been added with all those 2nd rd picks......

coulda woulda shoulda I know but it filters back to that 04 draft & the choices made which is directly related to why this defense is struggling today :foottap:

bah007
10-04-2009, 06:57 PM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated
USF - 1 tackle, 1 TFL

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles

TexansSeminole
10-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Ndamukong Suh from Nebraska is a hell of a football player. This guy is just dominating Mizzou. He just had an interception, he had a strip sack earlier, he has been in on tons of tackles.

From what I have seen thus far this season Ndamukong Suh is the best player in college football.

Honoring Earl 34
10-08-2009, 11:04 PM
Ndamukong Suh from Nebraska is a hell of a football player. This guy is just dominating Mizzou. He just had an interception, he had a strip sack earlier, he has been in on tons of tackles.

From what I have seen thus far this season Ndamukong Suh is the best player in college football.

Yep ... he's athletic , smart , and instinctive .

TexansSeminole
10-08-2009, 11:09 PM
Yep ... he's athletic , smart , and instinctive .

If they rush him, he is always in the backfield. I mean 90% of the time. They actually drop him quite a bit it looks like. Mizzou is double teaming him a lot and he still pushes two guys into the backfield.

They just called a horsecollar tackle on him but it was all jersey. He won't get the credit for that sack I don't think, but he should. Bogus call.

LonerATO
10-08-2009, 11:22 PM
Hell Nebraska has a freaking pair of great DT's, but the Texans wont be able to get Suh unless they traded up and that wont happen.

playa465
10-09-2009, 02:27 AM
Rated 3-4th round by a good draft site. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72684&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT

Boo Robinson is not 295 as some sites suggest...he is definitely 305+....He gets good leverage and has quick feet. His mass is natural; not like some guys who have a large frame but not the natural weight...his slow start in the 1st 2 games is why he is down on some charts...hell I'd be glad if he fell to the 3rd or 4th rd that way we could get him for cheap. On a side note; whats with all the talk about being too tall to play DT because you could possibly get stood up? The top DTs in the NFL right now are all 6'3+ outside of maybe Hampton and Wilfork. Its about mass + strength + technique

badboy
10-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Boo Robinson is not 295 as some sites suggest...he is definitely 305+....He gets good leverage and has quick feet. His mass is natural; not like some guys who have a large frame but not the natural weight...his slow start in the 1st 2 games is why he is down on some charts...hell I'd be glad if he fell to the 3rd or 4th rd that way we could get him for cheap. On a side note; whats with all the talk about being too tall to play DT because you could possibly get stood up? The top DTs in the NFL right now are all 6'3+ outside of maybe Hampton and Wilfork. Its about mass + strength + techniqueI agree. There are some tall players that do have problems, same with tall RBs but it depends on the player. A bigger concern to me is the DTs we have (with exception of Okam) are below 310lbs and are not doing the job. Not saying it is strictly a weight issue but why draft someone same size of players that are not doing the job? If a player is stronger or just plain better I'm cool with that but identify that asset when you offer up for consideration.

bah007
10-11-2009, 11:21 AM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles
Baylor - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated
USF - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
West Virginia - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles
at Mississippi - no stats accumulated

kastofsna
10-16-2009, 01:36 PM
just spent a few hours watching Suh highlights.

zero issue with him going #1 overall. don't care WHO's drafting, he should be the #1 pick.

bah007
10-20-2009, 07:53 PM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT
Texas Tech - 4 tackles, 2 TFL

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles
Baylor - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 3 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated
USF - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
West Virginia - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles
at Mississippi - no stats accumulated
vs South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL

LonerATO
10-20-2009, 08:58 PM
I was really impressed with OU's DT's against Texas last week

badboy
10-21-2009, 09:17 AM
just spent a few hours watching Suh highlights.

zero issue with him going #1 overall. don't care WHO's drafting, he should be the #1 pick.
Good now if a few more players will push Taylor Mays down to us I'll be very pleased.:truck:

bah007
10-21-2009, 09:40 AM
I was really impressed with OU's DT's against Texas last week

McCoy got penetration on nearly every passing play. He was in full beast mode.

badboy
10-21-2009, 09:56 AM
McCoy got penetration on nearly every passing play. He was in full beast mode.I think Colt was wishing he was the only McCoy on that field.

kastofsna
10-22-2009, 08:59 AM
Suh is in the top 10 in the country in passes defended.

he's a DT.

there's not another defensive lineman in the top 100 in that category.

badboy
10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
Suh is in the top 10 in the country in passes defended.

he's a DT.

there's not another defensive lineman in the top 100 in that category.You are not saying you want your DT to defend passes are you? That would be a new concept for me.

bah007
10-22-2009, 03:13 PM
You are not saying you want your DT to defend passes are you? That would be a new concept for me.

He is saying that Suh knocks down so many passes at the line of scrimmage that he is in the top ten in the country in total passes defended. That's pretty impressive.

badboy
10-22-2009, 03:33 PM
He is saying that Suh knocks down so many passes at the line of scrimmage that he is in the top ten in the country in total passes defended. That's pretty impressive.Did not realize that a knock down by a lineman was a pass defended stat. It is impressive regardless.

kastofsna
10-22-2009, 03:52 PM
he's as close to a lock as i've ever seen, barring injuries and getting lazy with cash. i have no clue about his work ethic or anything.

kastofsna
10-24-2009, 11:50 PM
10 tackles and 2 blocked kicks for Suh today.

Maddict5
10-25-2009, 01:25 AM
i really hope we dont draft suh. his first name is too hard to pronounce :hides:

beerlover
10-25-2009, 08:46 AM
i really hope we dont draft suh. his first name is too hard to pronounce :hides:

don't worry Ndamukong Suh is the top prospect in the draft - equal of Mario Williams - Texans have no shot @ him :truck:

bah007
11-05-2009, 03:20 PM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT
Texas Tech - 4 tackles, 2 TFL
Iowa st - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 blocked kicks
at Baylor - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1 sack

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles
Baylor - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 3 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
at Kansas - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Kansas St - 1 tackle, .5 TFL, .5 sack

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated
USF - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
West Virginia - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
Akron - 2 tackles
Cincinnati - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles
at Mississippi - no stats accumulated
South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL
Tennessee - 2 tackles, 2 blocked kicks

kastofsna
11-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Nebraska beat Oklahoma, Suh blocked a kick, owned again, etc etc, sorta getting tired of saying it again and again

beerlover
11-08-2009, 09:59 AM
Nebraska beat Oklahoma, Suh blocked a kick, owned again, etc etc, sorta getting tired of saying it again and again

Suh is so athletic, vastly different skill set than Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy.

kastofsna
11-12-2009, 11:22 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/4zxjpl.jpg

badboy
11-13-2009, 12:50 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/4zxjpl.jpgBut he never touched the QB! (sarcasm)

badboy
11-13-2009, 12:52 PM
AFter watching the clip, the only question I have is who is #94, they used two guys to block him instead of Suh?

bah007
11-13-2009, 05:44 PM
AFter watching the clip, the only question I have is who is #94, they used two guys to block him instead of Suh?

That would be Jared Crick, the man who had 5 sacks against Baylor the week before.

kastofsna
11-13-2009, 07:05 PM
doubling up Crick over Suh is hysterical.

both are great though. but...you don't leave Suh alone.

bah007
11-14-2009, 01:18 AM
doubling up Crick over Suh is hysterical.

both are great though. but...you don't leave Suh alone.

Unless you want your Guard sitting on your QB's chest...

bah007
11-15-2009, 02:44 PM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT
Texas Tech - 4 tackles, 2 TFL
Iowa st - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 blocked kicks
at Baylor - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1 sack
Oklahoma - 4 tackles, 1 pass batted down, 1 blocked kick
at Kansas - 3 tackles

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles
Baylor - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 3 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
at Kansas - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Kansas St - 1 tackle, .5 TFL, .5 sack
at Nebraska - 3 tackles
Texas A&M - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL, .5 sack

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated
USF - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
West Virginia - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
Akron - 2 tackles
Cincinnati - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL
at Pittsburgh - no stats accumulated
at Louisville - DNP

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles
at Mississippi - no stats accumulated
South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL
Tennessee - 2 tackles, 2 blocked kicks
LSU - 3 tackles
at Mississippi St - no stats accumulated

Gymrat2005
11-15-2009, 10:42 PM
This threads kinda dead,but why didnt we make a move on Albert Haynesworth in the OF? All of this DT talk,and why didnt Mcnair Just spend the money.

LonerATO
11-15-2009, 10:46 PM
This threads kinda dead,but why didnt we make a move on Albert Haynesworth in the OF? All of this DT talk,and why didnt Mcnair Just spend the money.

cap space

Gymrat2005
11-15-2009, 10:50 PM
cap space

Hmm,i always overook the Finance's of the NFL,thx.



Suh will be the next warren Sap of the NFL,i dont think there is a single OL in College who can block him.

YoungTexanFan
11-16-2009, 12:18 AM
Hmm,i always overook the Finance's of the NFL,thx.



Suh will be the next warren Sap of the NFL,i dont think there is a single OL in College who can block him.

I was at the KU game, sitting with some Nebraska fans in front of me. I spent a lot of time watching Suh. He made a few plays when Sharp ran right at him. Otherwise, he wasn't overly impressive. Our freshman RB Opurum consistently ran right over the Nebraska defense. I mean that literally; he put at least 3 defenders on their asses.

Gymrat2005
11-16-2009, 12:30 AM
I was at the KU game, sitting with some Nebraska fans in front of me. I spent a lot of time watching Suh. He made a few plays when Sharp ran right at him. Otherwise, he wasn't overly impressive. Our freshman RB Opurum consistently ran right over the Nebraska defense. I mean that literally; he put at least 3 defenders on their asses.


K well,i know this isnt KU,but this is Clemson,who just soo happens to have a RB that is considered a top 15 pick in this years upcoming NFL Draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUau5jlNNE

Look at suh at the :41 Mark,that guard he just man handled is a 3 year starter,andlook at the 6:01 mark,Suh is a Disruptive MONSTER,i bet my life that Opurum did NOT run over Suh,suh is on a Defense that is Mediocore,everyone knows that,he fights doubleteams all day Long,and this kid is still productive at the highest level.

kastofsna
11-16-2009, 09:02 AM
d-linemen at the college level have off games probably more than any other position. not concerned about it, he's the best prospect in the '10 draft by a mile.

badboy
11-16-2009, 09:57 AM
That would be Jared Crick, the man who had 5 sacks against Baylor the week before.My thoughts are we will have no shot at Suh as many predict him in top 5. I would like to pick up a DT later rounds and am looking now at Mike Neal of Purdue in 4th. Is Crick someone who is steady or just having a good season playing next to Suh? Where is he projected? I am assuming he is a junior?

bah007
11-16-2009, 10:54 AM
My thoughts are we will have no shot at Suh as many predict him in top 5. I would like to pick up a DT later rounds and am looking now at Mike Neal of Purdue in 4th. Is Crick someone who is steady or just having a good season playing next to Suh? Where is he projected? I am assuming he is a junior?

I'm pretty sure Crick is only a sophomore. I would like to see how he does next year without Suh playing next to him before I make a judgment.

bah007
11-16-2009, 10:56 AM
I was at the KU game, sitting with some Nebraska fans in front of me. I spent a lot of time watching Suh. He made a few plays when Sharp ran right at him. Otherwise, he wasn't overly impressive. Our freshman RB Opurum consistently ran right over the Nebraska defense. I mean that literally; he put at least 3 defenders on their asses.

Well you sure are hard to please if 15 carries for 43 yards is considered "running over" a defense.

Opurum did break some tackles, but he got almost no yards after contact. Every time he went through one guy there were two more waiting for him.

76Texan
11-17-2009, 09:05 AM
Well you sure are hard to please if 15 carries for 43 yards is considered "running over" a defense.

Opurum did break some tackles, but he got almost no yards after contact. Every time he went through one guy there were two more waiting for him.

YTF is a Jayhawks fan, so of course he's got to be a homer.
But I would watch out for Oporum in the future.
The dude is 235 lbs and he looks pretty powerful.
I can only count twice that he ran over the defense though.

Once, he ran over Gomes, a 190-lb DB.
The Jayhawks run quite a bit of the ZBS.
On this play, they started to the right, and Oporum cut back to the left.
He ran over Gomes around the LOS before the 2 safeties can come up.

The other time, he ran over a LB 52 Dillard (240 lbs).
He was a part-time starter for the Huskers, didn't even play the first two games. I don't know whether he got the starting job due to injury or not.
Dillard got in a stance and Oporum was in full motion.
F = ma
So it's not all that surprising that Oporum knock Dillard over.

76Texan
11-17-2009, 09:21 AM
Suh didn't have a great game against the Jayhawks numberwise, but he was very much a presence.

He got the double team about 3/5th of the time (usually against the C 77 Hatch 311 lbs & the RG 74 Spikes 311 lbs).
In one-on-one, there were only twice that I can see that the opponent had an upperhand on him.

Once, the LG 59 Capra (292 lbs) got a little push on him (less than a yard).
Once, the RG Spikes moved him to the outside on a run (but he was penetrating that side already).

The Jayhaws ran away from him most of the time.
They also ran a lot of quick passes and roll-outs for Reesing.
And Reesing is a very slippery guy.
When Suh got into the backfield, Reesing would slither away some place else.
(Too bad the guy doesn't have the height to play in the NFL).

On the second TD for the Jayhawks, Suh got through the double team only to meet Oporum, and the pass was gone quickly.
That tells you what their game plan was for Suh.

On top of that, Suh didn't have a good day.
He wasn't highly agressive; perhaps he was frustrated a little with all the double teamings and running away.

kastofsna
11-17-2009, 09:32 AM
"Ndamukong" translates to "house of spears"

that's epic.

badboy
11-17-2009, 12:01 PM
"Ndamukong" translates to "house of spears"

that's epic.I wonder if he is related to Britney?

bah007
11-22-2009, 04:45 PM
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT
Texas Tech - 4 tackles, 2 TFL
Iowa st - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 blocked kicks
at Baylor - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1 sack
Oklahoma - 4 tackles, 1 pass batted down, 1 blocked kick
at Kansas - 3 tackles
Kansas St - 9 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks, 2 passes batted down

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles
Baylor - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 3 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
at Kansas - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Kansas St - 1 tackle, .5 TFL, .5 sack
at Nebraska - 3 tackles
Texas A&M - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL, .5 sack
at Texas Tech - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass defended

Arthur Jones, Syracuse:
Minnesota - 5 tackles, 1 TFL
at Penn St - 2 tackles
Northwestern - 2 tackles, 1 TFL
Maine - no stats accumulated
USF - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
West Virginia - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
Akron - 2 tackles
Cincinnati - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL
at Pittsburgh - no stats accumulated
at Louisville - DNP (injury)
Rutgers - DNP (injury)

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles
at Mississippi - no stats accumulated
South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL
Tennessee - 2 tackles, 2 blocked kicks
LSU - 3 tackles
at Mississippi St - no stats accumulated
Chatanooga - 2 tackles

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2009, 02:41 AM
Well you sure are hard to please if 15 carries for 43 yards is considered "running over" a defense.

Opurum did break some tackles, but he got almost no yards after contact. Every time he went through one guy there were two more waiting for him.

He doesn't have the speed at this point to break big runs. He doesn't lose yardage. He's a true freshman. We also have this great game plan where we stop giving him the ball once our offense gets moving. All of his yards are after contact. You might be thinking of Sharp, our senior, #1. He gets zero yards after contact.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2009, 02:51 AM
YTF is a Jayhawks fan, so of course he's got to be a homer.
But I would watch out for Oporum in the future.
The dude is 235 lbs and he looks pretty powerful.
I can only count twice that he ran over the defense though.

Once, he ran over Gomes, a 190-lb DB.
The Jayhawks run quite a bit of the ZBS.
On this play, they started to the right, and Oporum cut back to the left.
He ran over Gomes around the LOS before the 2 safeties can come up.

The other time, he ran over a LB 52 Dillard (240 lbs).
He was a part-time starter for the Huskers, didn't even play the first two games. I don't know whether he got the starting job due to injury or not.
Dillard got in a stance and Oporum was in full motion.
F = ma
So it's not all that surprising that Oporum knock Dillard over.


Haha, yeah, I will hype my team up for the most part. I won't do it for draft evals though. Opurum is a true freshman this year, and he has absolutely leveled some people. He is a punishing runner. When we put him in, we typically go away from the spread, and put in our TE (#86 Biere) and run a more traditional set. Our offense stops sputtering. We then either start running stretch plays off-tackle with Opurum or a speed option with him. Quite frustrating.

Anyway, he'll be an interesting guy to keep an eye on for the next few years. Turned down Florida and Notre Dame for KU.

Since this is the DT thread, I've seen three of the top DT's in person this year. I saw the Duke DT who I simply don't think is an NFL starter. I saw McCoy for Oklahoma (2nd year in a row I've seen him). I've never seen the hype to him, but I find myself looking at the numbers later and am always shocked. He just doesn't jump out to me during the games. He gets it done and is pretty consistent though. I also saw Suh (2nd year in a row as well) and I've again never been impressed with him in person. I have been impressed with him before against other teams. I've watched a little more film on Suh than the other guys, mostly to study up for the Nebraska game with my ex's family.

I'm not sure what to make of Crick. I don't know he's as good as his production would indicate, or if he is the beneficiary of Suh. I think they could be similar to the LSU DT's of a few years ago. I think Suh would qualify as Dorsey. Tons of hype, incredible strength. I thin Suh is a better prospect than Dorsey, as I just never liked Dorsey as a prospect (check my big board for that year to verify). I'm thinking Crick might be Tyson Jackson. And I have this thought that they both may end up no better than the Jackson/Dorsey combo I'm subjected to due to regional coverage every Sunday.

kastofsna
11-26-2009, 11:11 PM
Nebraska vs Colorado on Friday for anyone who wants to witness Suh in action

beerlover
12-04-2009, 12:28 AM
I've been watching Oregon State DT Stephen Paea the past two seasons & he looks like he could fit right in this defense, actually making Amobi expendable if you want the truth. He is undersized south of 290 but stout 6'1" very strong & athletic in space with ability to disengage to get off his block & make a play. I really like his game - high effort/motor who is disruptive in the backfield, think a poor mans Ndamukong Suh. He has NFL written all over him but is only a Junior. If he declares I would be all over him in the second. FYI

kastofsna
12-06-2009, 12:31 AM
Suh against Texas:

12 tackles, 4.5 sacks

treduke
12-06-2009, 12:40 AM
Suh against Texas:

12 tackles, 4.5 sacks

oh the things i would do for the texans to get suh :firehair:

LonerATO
12-06-2009, 12:45 AM
oh the things i would do for the texans to get suh :firehair:

The only way this could happen is if the Texans traded away the bank for him

kastofsna
12-06-2009, 10:30 AM
i'd have no problem with the Dolphins Ditkaing the draft and getting Suh

http://i49.tinypic.com/2naqi5c.gif

4Texans
12-06-2009, 08:50 PM
i'd have no problem with the Dolphins Ditkaing the draft and getting Suh

http://i49.tinypic.com/2naqi5c.gif

After watching him last night, I could see some NFL teams throwing the rest of their games to get to draft him #1 overall. :d:

treduke
12-06-2009, 08:53 PM
i'd have no problem with the Dolphins Ditkaing the draft and getting Suh

http://i49.tinypic.com/2naqi5c.gif

let the suh sweepstakes begin!!

Fred
12-06-2009, 09:27 PM
After watching him last night, I could see some NFL teams throwing the rest of their games to get to draft him #1 overall. :d:

I saw an NFL team throw their game today. They ordered their running back to throw an interception on first and goal. Unfortunately it will be tough to get the #1 pick because they already have 5 wins.

bah007
12-06-2009, 11:30 PM
I removed Arthur Jones from the watch list and added Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year, Jared Odrick.

Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT
Texas Tech - 4 tackles, 2 TFL
Iowa st - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 blocked kicks
at Baylor - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1 sack
Oklahoma - 4 tackles, 1 pass batted down, 1 blocked kick
at Kansas - 3 tackles
Kansas St - 9 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks, 2 passes batted down
at Colorado - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 12 tackles, 6 TFL, 4.5 sacks

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma:
BYU - 5 tackles, 4 TFL
Idaho St - 2 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
Tulsa - 1 tackle, 1 TFL
at Miami - 1 tackles
Baylor - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 3 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack
at Kansas - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Kansas St - 1 tackle, .5 TFL, .5 sack
at Nebraska - 3 tackles
Texas A&M - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL, .5 sack
at Texas Tech - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass defended
Oklahoma St - 3 tackles

Terrence Cody, Alabama:
at Virginia Tech - 1 tackle
FIU - 3 tackles, 2.5 TFL
North Texas - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas - 1 tackle
at Kentucky - 2 tackles
at Mississippi - no stats accumulated
South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1.5 TFL
Tennessee - 2 tackles, 2 blocked kicks
LSU - 3 tackles
at Mississippi St - no stats accumulated
Chatanooga - 2 tackles
at Auburn - 2 tackles
vs Florida - 1 tackles, 1 TFL

Jared Odrick, Penn St:
Akron - 4 tackles, 2 TFL, .5 sack
Syracuse - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack
Temple - 2 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
Iowa - 3 tackles
at Illinois - 2 tackles
Eastern Illinois - 5 tackles, 3.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 1 pass defended
Minnesota - 4 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack
at Michigan - 2 tackles, .5 TFL
at Northwestern - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 blocked kick
Ohio St - 3 tackles
Indiana - 3 tackles
at Michigan St - 2 tackles

4Texans
12-07-2009, 08:32 AM
I saw an NFL team throw their game today. They ordered their running back to throw an interception on first and goal. Unfortunately it will be tough to get the #1 pick because they already have 5 wins.

LOL..... Yes, it's too late for us to fall that far.

kastofsna
12-07-2009, 08:51 AM
i hope the Bucs wind up drafting him.

rmartin65
12-07-2009, 09:10 AM
I hope the person who drafts him is not in our division. That is it, I dont want to play that monster twice a year. And it would be better if he went to the NFC.

TexansSeminole
12-07-2009, 10:11 AM
I removed Arthur Jones from the watch list and added Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year, Jared Odrick.

Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska:
Florida Atlantic - 7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass batted down
Arkansas St - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks
at Virginia Tech - 8 tackles, .5 TFL, .5 sack, 4 passes batted down
UL Lafayette - 6 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass batted down
at Missouri - 6 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass batted down, 1 forced fumble, 1 INT
Texas Tech - 4 tackles, 2 TFL
Iowa st - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 blocked kicks
at Baylor - 5 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 1 sack
Oklahoma - 4 tackles, 1 pass batted down, 1 blocked kick
at Kansas - 3 tackles
Kansas St - 9 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1.5 sacks, 2 passes batted down
at Colorado - 5 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack
vs Texas - 12 tackles, 6 TFL, 4.5 sacks


This is supposed to say 12 tackles, 7 TFL, 4.5 sacks.

bah007
12-07-2009, 10:30 AM
This is supposed to say 12 tackles, 7 TFL, 4.5 sacks.

I got it right. Suh had 5 solo TFL and 2 assisted TFL.

Statistically, an assisted TFL counts as a half just as sacks do. So it's 6.

TexansSeminole
12-07-2009, 03:09 PM
I got it right. Suh had 5 solo TFL and 2 assisted TFL.

Statistically, an assisted TFL counts as a half just as sacks do. So it's 6.

Ah ok, I read that he had 7 somewhere, I guess people count statistics differently.

bah007
12-07-2009, 05:28 PM
Ah ok, I read that he had 7 somewhere, I guess people count statistics differently.

I'm sure it's different everywhere, Six in one game is still incredibly amazing.