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Spike
09-21-2009, 09:49 AM
I have been pretty critical of Kubiak, especially after last game, and have been of the opinion that he is not the guy to take this team to the next level. I think he'll get to the end of this season to prove his worth. After a game like today when this team played with so much heart, I just can't figure out why we appeared to come out so flat last week...in a home opener.

I try not to take too much from press conferences, but I do like what I saw and heard from Kubiak after the post-game. First, the guy did not look like the coach of a winning team - he looked beat down and sounded extremely frustrated about the inconsistency of the team. The one thing he kept coming back to was how inconsistent the team was as a whole. He deflected any inferences that this would be a turn around game for the team or any player individually - repeatedly saying that this was just one game.

Like Kubes said himself last week, the only thing that matters is what happens on Sunday. None of this makes a difference if we don't show it on the field - but it is clear that Kubiak gets this. He knows that this team can't win with the defensive break downs. He knows that the offense is going to have issues in the long run if we can't get the running game going. He knows that he has to get it fixed, and in a hurry, if he is going to keep his job.

The next two games are critical. This win means nothing if we can't beat teams we should beat at home. I think Kubiak is going to do everything he can to keep this team focused on its issues and not rest on this victory. If he can't, we will know that he isn't the guy.

TexanBacker93
09-21-2009, 09:50 AM
:goodpost:

Marcus
09-21-2009, 10:41 AM
He acted the same way when Bob Allen interviewed him on Inside The Game.

Allen wanted to dwell on the reasons they won. Kubiak would have none of it. He dwelt on the reasons they almost lost . . . the inconsistencies on defense and lack of a running game. He didn't come across as "humble after a win". He seemed like he was genuinely frustrated and concerned. It got to the point where Bob Allen finally said, "Well coach, aren't you at least happy about the win?"

"Well yeah, I'm happy, but we've got a long way to go."

That showed me something.

(And FWIW, I don't think the concerns he raised had anything to do with him worried about holding onto his job. I don't think he really cares that much about himself. Rather, I think it all had to do with just winning games. That might across as a little naive, but that's how it appeared to me.)

Cjeremy635
09-21-2009, 10:50 AM
He acted the same way when Bob Allen interviewed him on Inside The Game.

Allen wanted to dwell on the reasons they won. Kubiak would have none of it. He dwelt on the reasons they almost lost . . . the inconsistencies on defense and lack of a running game. He didn't come across as "humble after a win". He seemed like he was genuinely frustrated and concerned. It got to the point where Bob Allen finally said, "Well coach, aren't you at least happy about the win?"

"Well yeah, I'm happy, but we've got a long way to go."

That showed me something.

(And FWIW, I don't think the concerns he raised had anything to do with him worried about holding onto his job. I don't think he really cares that much about himself. Rather, I think it all had to do with just winning games. That might across as a little naive, but that's how it appeared to me.)

I thought the same thing after watching that show last night.

HOU-TEX
09-21-2009, 10:53 AM
He acted the same way when Bob Allen interviewed him on Inside The Game.

Allen wanted to dwell on the reasons they won. Kubiak would have none of it. He dwelt on the reasons they almost lost . . . the inconsistencies on defense and lack of a running game. He didn't come across as "humble after a win". He seemed like he was genuinely frustrated and concerned. It got to the point where Bob Allen finally said, "Well coach, aren't you at least happy about the win?"

"Well yeah, I'm happy, but we've got a long way to go."

That showed me something.

(And FWIW, I don't think the concerns he raised had anything to do with him worried about holding onto his job. I don't think he really cares that much about himself. Rather, I think it all had to do with just winning games. That might across as a little naive, but that's how it appeared to me.)

I agree, and to be honest, it was refreshing to hear him voice his frustrations for once. It tells me he's aware of the inconsistencies, which in turn, tells me he's going to try to get them sorted out.

Spike
09-21-2009, 11:22 AM
He acted the same way when Bob Allen interviewed him on Inside The Game.

Allen wanted to dwell on the reasons they won. Kubiak would have none of it. He dwelt on the reasons they almost lost . . . the inconsistencies on defense and lack of a running game. He didn't come across as "humble after a win". He seemed like he was genuinely frustrated and concerned. It got to the point where Bob Allen finally said, "Well coach, aren't you at least happy about the win?"

"Well yeah, I'm happy, but we've got a long way to go."

That showed me something.

(And FWIW, I don't think the concerns he raised had anything to do with him worried about holding onto his job. I don't think he really cares that much about himself. Rather, I think it all had to do with just winning games. That might across as a little naive, but that's how it appeared to me.)

I don't know that he is worried about keeping his job specifically, but you have to believe he wants to win...wants to be successful. I don't know if this is the case, but his comments now just make it seem like he is taking it more peronal. I don't know if this is because of the expectations coming into the season, or if he is really starting to feel the heat, or maybe there is an aggrevation that they are not further along at this point in his tenure.

This is all conjecture, but I think Kubes was really shocked about the way the team performed against the Jets. For the first time, I think you see genuine aggrevation about poor performance and inconsistency. It just seems that somewhere, he thought that they were past the big mental mistakes...

Like I said below, all of this means nothing if he can't get the problems fixed on Sundays. However, I want to believe that something is now striking a nerve with Kubiak that is making him feel more accountable...which in turn will make his staff and his players more accountable...which would translate to better game preparation.

buddyboy
09-21-2009, 11:44 AM
Fire Kubiak! Fire Shannahan! Fire Chris Meyers! Fire Frank Bush! Fire Rick Smith!

:backsout:

swtbound07
09-21-2009, 11:52 AM
Fire Kubiak! Fire Shannahan! Fire Chris Meyers! Fire Frank Bush! Fire Rick Smith!

:backsout:

still saying fire frank bush.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 11:55 AM
He acted the same way when Bob Allen interviewed him on Inside The Game.

Allen wanted to dwell on the reasons they won. Kubiak would have none of it. He dwelt on the reasons they almost lost . . . the inconsistencies on defense and lack of a running game. He didn't come across as "humble after a win". He seemed like he was genuinely frustrated and concerned. It got to the point where Bob Allen finally said, "Well coach, aren't you at least happy about the win?"

"Well yeah, I'm happy, but we've got a long way to go."

That showed me something.

(And FWIW, I don't think the concerns he raised had anything to do with him worried about holding onto his job. I don't think he really cares that much about himself. Rather, I think it all had to do with just winning games. That might across as a little naive, but that's how it appeared to me.)

Well that part is good to see that he's not simply wallowing in victory after such a crazy win that had such an awful defensive out put. I do like that. However, I'd like to see him get fired up in a press conference like some other coaches do every now and then. Do something to try and build a fire in this team. Show some real aggression almost like he wants to go out there on the field and play. I think a lot of football players respond to stuff like that in an intense sport like football. Unfortunately I don't think Kubes will ever act like that, not in front of cameras any way.

OzzO
09-21-2009, 12:57 PM
Before the Texans opened their dressing room to the media after the game, the players could be heard cheering when coach Gary Kubiak was talking.

“I gave Bruce Matthews the game ball,” Kubiak said about his first-year offensive assistant. “That's probably when you heard the roar.

“I told him, ‘Welcome to our side.'"

the chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6628675.html)

Second Honeymoon
09-21-2009, 02:51 PM
the chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6628675.html)

the whole game ball to Matthews thing, was a nice touch. Kubiak has some deficiencies as a head coach but he is a nice guy and is genuinely humble.

Marcus
09-21-2009, 04:28 PM
Well that part is good to see that he's not simply wallowing in victory after such a crazy win that had such an awful defensive out put. I do like that. However, I'd like to see him get fired up in a press conference like some other coaches do every now and then. Do something to try and build a fire in this team. Show some real aggression almost like he wants to go out there on the field and play. I think a lot of football players respond to stuff like that in an intense sport like football. Unfortunately I don't think Kubes will ever act like that, not in front of cameras any way.

You mean like Dennis Green (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc) and Jim Mora (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM&NR=1)?

Umm. . . no thanks. I think we'll pass on Coors Lite material.

TimeKiller
09-21-2009, 04:36 PM
You mean like Dennis Green (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc) and Jim Mora (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM&NR=1)?

Umm. . . no thanks. I think we'll pass on Coors Lite material.

UGG thank you. I can't stand those commercials anymore, the first few were okay but it's like get a new idea already.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 04:47 PM
You mean like Dennis Green (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc) and Jim Mora (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM&NR=1)?

Umm. . . no thanks. I think we'll pass on Coors Lite material.

This is one petty response Marcus and you somehow read the post but completely missed the point.


Nice, that you try to cherry pick two coaches that you think aren't successful coaches, but you fail with these two examples because both of these men have been more successful coaches than Kubes has and have proven more regardless with both of them going to AFC championship games and hell Mora did it with Vick as his QB.

I meant more of a coach that is gritty and will go for the jugular with an intense mind set and holds players accountable like a Cowher, Parcells, Ditka, Singletary, or a guy like a Bob Stoops type.

That's fine that you're comfortable with these easy going coaches that are calm the entire time and don't ever like to get fired up. That's worked real well for this franchise through the Capers years and the Kubiak era that has yet to go over 8-8 thus far. Of course you didn't even make any explanation why you want these guys other than just throwing out two names of coaches that had some epic press conferences which really wasn't even an argument that were making.

Texans#1Fan
09-21-2009, 04:54 PM
I have been pretty critical of Kubiak, especially after last game, and have been of the opinion that he is not the guy to take this team to the next level. I think he'll get to the end of this season to prove his worth. After a game like today when this team played with so much heart, I just can't figure out why we appeared to come out so flat last week...in a home opener.

I try not to take too much from press conferences, but I do like what I saw and heard from Kubiak after the post-game. First, the guy did not look like the coach of a winning team - he looked beat down and sounded extremely frustrated about the inconsistency of the team. The one thing he kept coming back to was how inconsistent the team was as a whole. He deflected any inferences that this would be a turn around game for the team or any player individually - repeatedly saying that this was just one game.

Like Kubes said himself last week, the only thing that matters is what happens on Sunday. None of this makes a difference if we don't show it on the field - but it is clear that Kubiak gets this. He knows that this team can't win with the defensive break downs. He knows that the offense is going to have issues in the long run if we can't get the running game going. He knows that he has to get it fixed, and in a hurry, if he is going to keep his job.

The next two games are critical. This win means nothing if we can't beat teams we should beat at home. I think Kubiak is going to do everything he can to keep this team focused on its issues and not rest on this victory. If he can't, we will know that he isn't the guy.


If he does not get this defense and running game going. Then we need a new HC. This is a big win, and hopefully the defense will get its mistakes taking care of. I want to see consistency from both sides of the ball. End of last year offense played well, and defense was ok. Now it seems the defense got worse and the running game isn't there anymore.

Texans#1Fan
09-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Fire Kubiak! Fire Shannahan! Fire Chris Meyers! Fire Frank Bush! Fire Rick Smith!

:backsout:

Hey, Jon Gruden is still looking for a Job!!!!LOL

Fox
09-21-2009, 05:04 PM
That's fine that you're comfortable with these easy going coaches that are calm the entire time and don't ever like to get fired up. That's worked real well for this franchise through the Capers years and the Kubiak era that has yet to go over 8-8 thus far.

I've seen Kubiak get fired up on the sidelines and in practice, just not during press conferences. As far as 'fiery' press conferences, I think they're nice for media and fans to talk about at the water cooler, but they don't have much, if any, impact on W's and L's IMO.

barrett
09-21-2009, 05:04 PM
I have been pretty critical of Kubiak, especially after last game, and have been of the opinion that he is not the guy to take this team to the next level. I think he'll get to the end of this season to prove his worth. After a game like today when this team played with so much heart, I just can't figure out why we appeared to come out so flat last week...in a home opener.

I try not to take too much from press conferences, but I do like what I saw and heard from Kubiak after the post-game. First, the guy did not look like the coach of a winning team - he looked beat down and sounded extremely frustrated about the inconsistency of the team. The one thing he kept coming back to was how inconsistent the team was as a whole. He deflected any inferences that this would be a turn around game for the team or any player individually - repeatedly saying that this was just one game.

Like Kubes said himself last week, the only thing that matters is what happens on Sunday. None of this makes a difference if we don't show it on the field - but it is clear that Kubiak gets this. He knows that this team can't win with the defensive break downs. He knows that the offense is going to have issues in the long run if we can't get the running game going. He knows that he has to get it fixed, and in a hurry, if he is going to keep his job.

The next two games are critical. This win means nothing if we can't beat teams we should beat at home. I think Kubiak is going to do everything he can to keep this team focused on its issues and not rest on this victory. If he can't, we will know that he isn't the guy.

I had planned to post about this last night but I forgot.

We have officially turned another corner with this team. If you don't see it, you're not paying attention. Being upset after a win. Really, genuinely upset after a win to a very good football team. Not even capable of sugar coating it for the lazy Houston media after a win to a very good football team at their home opener.

We're a young franchise and to any other team in the league this means nothing but to this one... it's monumental.

The two previous corners were bouncing back right after the Rosencopter game. Right after, in the locker room. The whole team. And playing with confidence down the stretch.

This, Kubiak's reaction was HUGE.

Go Texans.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 05:09 PM
I've seen Kubiak get fired up on the sidelines and in practice, just not during press conferences. As far as 'fiery' press conferences, I think they're nice for media and fans to talk about at the water cooler, but they don't have much, if any, impact on W's and L's IMO.

I don't think he is a fiery HC at all. I think he is a more calm and collective type of HC like a DOm Capers, Dick Vermiel or Tony Dungy type of guy. I'm not saying that guys can't be successful in that type of mold, because Dungy and Vermeil certainly have but most of them aren't in my opinion and in a sport like football, you've got to be a pretty strong coach that players fear at times but always respect. I don't think that Kubes is a fiery HC or an intense one.

I probably shouldn't have said the word "press conference" before to specify what I meant as much. I meant more of a stern HC that isn't going to put up with any bull and will hold players accountable at all times and get in their ass when they aren't working hard or doing what they are supposed to do. Someone that will always have their players fired up and ready to go.

Just last week, that was the biggest knock that most people had on Kubiak in here was how calm and relaxed he always is making comparisons to guys like Capers and Jack Pardee and coaches like that and how he doesn't hold the players accountable and puts the blame on himself instead.

Fox
09-21-2009, 05:16 PM
I don't think he is a fiery HC at all. I think he is a more calm and collective type of HC like a DOm Capers, Dick Vermiel or Tony Dungy type of guy. I'm not saying that guys can't be successful in that type of mold, because Dungy and Vermeil certainly have but most of them aren't in my opinion and in a sport like football, you've got to be a pretty strong coach that players fear at times but always respect. I don't think that Kubes is a fiery HC or an intense one.

I probably shouldn't have said the word "press conference" before to specify what I meant as much. I meant more of a stern HC that isn't going to put up with any bull and will hold players accountable at all times and get in their ass when they aren't working hard or doing what they are supposed to do. Someone that will always have their players fired up and ready to go.

Just last week, that was the biggest knock that most people had on Kubiak in here was how calm and relaxed he always is making comparisons to guys like Capers and Jack Pardee and coaches like that and how he doesn't hold the players accountable and puts the blame on himself instead.

I agree with your general assessment of Kubiak's coaching demeanor. I've seen him tear into guys after a bad play, but he's definitely on the calmer end of the coaching spectrum relative to the rest of the NFL. Now, that's interesting and everything, I'm just saying I think that's more coincidence than cause of our mediocrity thus far. Like you, I've seen coaches win with both cool and fiery personalities. I'm skeptical of it's significance in the grand scheme of things.

HTown2ATX
09-21-2009, 05:41 PM
I've been a Kubiak supporter. After week 1, no, I was not ready to see him go, but what looked to be 4 years of the same song and dance had me pissed beyond comprehension. That said, even though there are clearly still issues that need to be resolved, he did somehow get a bunch of guys that appeared to be soft and heartless and get them to fly around Sunday and knock the possum squallor gang back into their hovels.

I still believe in him, but still need to see production on the field. Next two games are crucial for his rep. here in Houston IMO. We can show that consistency by winning the games we should against JAX and OAK at home. Show me that Kubiak...and everything will be on the way to redemption.

:fans:

ObsiWan
09-21-2009, 06:31 PM
I've seen Kubiak get fired up on the sidelines and in practice, just not during press conferences. As far as 'fiery' press conferences, I think they're nice for media and fans to talk about at the water cooler, but they don't have much, if any, impact on W's and L's IMO.

Agreed. Those guys are the T.O's of coaching. They make the sports reporters' jobs easier because they're good for a soundbite. But a good coach can get his point across to his guys without making an ass of himself in public.
The possibility of being benched or cut should be all the motivation a pro player needs.

The Pencil Neck
09-21-2009, 07:13 PM
I don't think he is a fiery HC at all. I think he is a more calm and collective type of HC like a DOm Capers, Dick Vermiel or Tony Dungy type of guy. I'm not saying that guys can't be successful in that type of mold, because Dungy and Vermeil certainly have but most of them aren't in my opinion and in a sport like football, you've got to be a pretty strong coach that players fear at times but always respect. I don't think that Kubes is a fiery HC or an intense one.

I probably shouldn't have said the word "press conference" before to specify what I meant as much. I meant more of a stern HC that isn't going to put up with any bull and will hold players accountable at all times and get in their ass when they aren't working hard or doing what they are supposed to do. Someone that will always have their players fired up and ready to go.

Just last week, that was the biggest knock that most people had on Kubiak in here was how calm and relaxed he always is making comparisons to guys like Capers and Jack Pardee and coaches like that and how he doesn't hold the players accountable and puts the blame on himself instead.

I disagree with this in a couple of ways.

First off, I don't think that Kubiak is as calm when he's dealing with the players as he is when he's talking to the media. I think he IS the kind of coach that rips into guys when they make mistakes. On the sidelines, he's very demonstrative. He's all over the officials.

Secondly, I don't think that being a fiery coach helps at all in the W/L column. Tons of fiery coaches fail. I don't think that being fiery means that you hold your guys more accountable than a "quieter" coach. I mean, I don't see Chuck Noll as a "fiery" coach but I think he held his players extremely accountable and he was always ready to rip you a new one.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 07:24 PM
I disagree with this in a couple of ways.

First off, I don't think that Kubiak is as calm when he's dealing with the players as he is when he's talking to the media. I think he IS the kind of coach that rips into guys when they make mistakes. On the sidelines, he's very demonstrative. He's all over the officials.

Secondly, I don't think that being a fiery coach helps at all in the W/L column. Tons of fiery coaches fail. I don't think that being fiery means that you hold your guys more accountable than a "quieter" coach. I mean, I don't see Chuck Noll as a "fiery" coach but I think he held his players extremely accountable and he was always ready to rip you a new one.

I didn't say that is what it takes to be a winning coach. Those are the types of coaches that I like. Those are the types of coaches that I think players will work harder for and bust their tails trying to impress or get motivated for and run through a wall for. Football is a violent sport where players have to hit one another and have tremendous respect for their leader and feel like he's one of them almost.

LIke I said before there are those calm coaches out there that have been successful like your Dick Vermeils, Tony Dungys, and a few others but I don't see a lot in that type of mold that seem to be real successful long term. They can, but it's not the majority in my opinion.

I never said I wanted a coach that would punch someone in the face during a game like Buddy Ryan, just someone who shows a lot more passion. Those are the types of coaches that I like and the types of coaches that I normally see have a lot of success on not just one team but other teams as well. A guy like Parcells was successful everywhere he went.

Ckw
09-21-2009, 08:03 PM
Tex, I think you need to pay more attention to Kubiak during practices and such. The guy can get pretty angry and rip into his players when it is necessary. He just doesn't show his anger to the media.

GP
09-21-2009, 08:16 PM
I think what Tex is saying is that he wants Kubiak to go over and bend down in front of someone who made a really bone-headed play and get in their face about it. Not every time it happens. But randomly select a worthy candidate for an ass-chewin' every now and then.

Conversely, go over and take a few seconds to find someone on the bench who has done a great job and slap them on the helmet and yell out a "way to go!"

Send a signal, during the game, that you're either happy or unhappy with what's going on. Don't just stand there and shake a hand as the defense or offense comes off the field.

In-game antics can be good if they are measured, intentional, and done right.

Kubiak doesn't do much of that, but I think he should try to do it more.

Marcus
09-21-2009, 11:02 PM
I think you guys are focused on the wrong things if you think Kubiak needs "to appear more animated" just for the media's and fans' benefit.

You want Kubiak to "act" like someone he's really not. I don't know what kind of sense that makes.

Look, if the team doesn't meet expectations and doesn't show better results in the W-L column, then he's accountable.

But Kubiak is going to be Kubiak. That's who he is.

CTWade
09-21-2009, 11:08 PM
I disagree with this in a couple of ways.

First off, I don't think that Kubiak is as calm when he's dealing with the players as he is when he's talking to the media.

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The Pencil Neck
09-21-2009, 11:09 PM
I didn't say that is what it takes to be a winning coach. Those are the types of coaches that I like. Those are the types of coaches that I think players will work harder for and bust their tails trying to impress or get motivated for and run through a wall for. Football is a violent sport where players have to hit one another and have tremendous respect for their leader and feel like he's one of them almost.

LIke I said before there are those calm coaches out there that have been successful like your Dick Vermeils, Tony Dungys, and a few others but I don't see a lot in that type of mold that seem to be real successful long term. They can, but it's not the majority in my opinion.

I never said I wanted a coach that would punch someone in the face during a game like Buddy Ryan, just someone who shows a lot more passion. Those are the types of coaches that I like and the types of coaches that I normally see have a lot of success on not just one team but other teams as well. A guy like Parcells was successful everywhere he went.

I would argue that the majority of coaches aren't successful regardless of their fiery-ness. Most coaches are pretty fiery, I think. And most of them aren't all that successful.

And like I said, I think you're mistaking fiery and tough. I don't think that a fiery coach is necessarily a tough or respected coach and I don't think tough coaches are necessarily fiery. I mean, I think Glanville was a fiery coach but I also think he was pretty much of an undisciplined cream puff.

And, the whole "fiery" thing starts to get difficult because some guys vary according to circumstances. I wouldn't consider Bill Walsh fiery but he'd also rip you a new one. Same thing with Noll.

ChampionTexan
09-21-2009, 11:46 PM
I think you guys are focused on the wrong things if you think Kubiak needs "to appear more animated" just for the media's and fans' benefit.

You want Kubiak to "act" like someone he's really not. I don't know what kind of sense that makes.

Look, if the team doesn't meet expectations and doesn't show better results in the W-L column, then he's accountable.

But Kubiak is going to be Kubiak. That's who he is.

It would be the stupidest thing he could possibly do. The players would figure it out in about 2 seconds, and he'd lose them forever.

The Third Man
09-22-2009, 05:50 AM
I want a coach who has vision and holds his players, staff and himself accountable. All of that rah-rah "passion" stuff is fodder for the press and mouth breathers who call in talk radio. It has nothing to do with wins and losses in the NFL.

Showtime100
09-22-2009, 05:59 AM
*grits teeth thinking of Kubiak* Let's hire a guy, pay him $100,000 to man the red flag. That's his only function in life. After the game let him "make it rain" all he wants, just be responsible for the red flag. It really is important.